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  • liyliy Member Posts: 47
    For those who do not regularly vistit GermanCarFans.com this link provides an extremely comprehensive look at the current (in the U.S. that's the '05 A6) model A6, and future plans, including adaptive air suspension and laser guided cruise control!

    http://www.germancarfans.com/news.cfm/NewsID/2040408.001/audi/1.h- tml

    LIY
  • jeqqjeqq Member Posts: 221
    I did some google research on this for you and myself. Click on this web site for a better understanding http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/autos/octane.htm

    Here's the meat of this article.

    "Are you tempted to buy a high octane gasoline for your car because you want to improve its performance? If so, take note: the recommended gasoline for most cars is regular octane. In fact, in most cases, using a higher octane gasoline than your owner's manual recommends offers absolutely no benefit. It won't make your car perform better, go faster, get better mileage or run cleaner. Your best bet: listen to your owner's manual.

    The only time you might need to switch to a higher octane level is if your car engine knocks when you use the recommended fuel. This happens to a small percentage of cars.

    Unless your engine is knocking, buying higher octane gasoline is a waste of money, too. Premium gas costs 15 to 20 cents per gallon more than regular. That can add up to $100 or more a year in extra costs. Studies indicate that altogether, drivers may be spending hundreds of millions of dollars each year for higher octane gas than they need".

    Also read this to understand why the 3.2 is not really the true engine it should be.
    http://autonet.ca/DriverSource/Stories.cfm?StoryID=12346

    Here's the meat of this article.

    "The V6 has only four valves per cylinder, which may seem like a backward step until you know why -- the third inlet valve had to be tossed in order to make room for a fuel injector. The 3.2 FSI, to give its full title, has gasoline direct injection (GDI). Fuel is directed straight into the combustion chamber, not into the intake manifold. The only other engine sold on Planet North America with this technology is the V12 in the BMW 760Li.

    Like the BMW, however, the 3.2 FSI is not a lean-burn unit; that fuel-saving technology, widely used on many other GDI engines, is not compatible with our still high-sulphur fuels. Still, GDI offers other advantages which -- working in concert with variable cam timing, super-high 12.5:1 compression ratio, and a variable-length intake manifold -- enable the 3.2 to achieve an impressive blend of power (255 hp), torque (243 lb. ft.) and fuel efficiency".

    So in conclusion I am assuming Audi designed this engine to run on regular unleaded gas that's high in sulfur.

    The next obvious question is what happens to this engine when lower sulfur gas becomes available in the future. Will they need to recalibrate things to make it run with this new fuel, or will it just run stronger and more fuel efficient?
  • jeqqjeqq Member Posts: 221
    The reason for the early 3am posting is I'm in Paris right now. Beautiful city and lots of great food. And very expensive. We need to strengthen the dollar, which will make Audi's cheaper for us in the US.
  • lynnminnylynnminny Member Posts: 49
    Currently own a 200 MB E320, wouldn't own one again!! I have put down a deposit on the Acura RL. I like the interior of the Audi A6 (especially the amaretto leather)!

    However, the Audi A6 does not offer any kind of system like Onstar or MB's tele- aid. The Acura has Onstar. Does this bother anyone? Can't understand why Audi didn't offer this on the 2005 A6.

    Thanks,
    Lynnminny
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    I have an Audi with On*star, and the dropping of it for 2005 bothers me plenty. I use my On*star for many "virtual advisor" (VA) functions and it is comforting to know that it is there if I need it or if I am in an incident where my airbags deploy.

    The fact that it has redundant power and phone systems is also of some comfort.

    I do understand the reasoning behind dropping On*star as a "brand" -- it is entirely analog, a lot of folks think it is unnecessary, bla bla bla -- but On*star or tele-aide or whatever, is inexpensive insurance and the VA is a great feature "get my traffic, get my weather, read my email, etc."
  • tentwalkertentwalker Member Posts: 10
    I'm looking to buy a 2004 2.7T S line from my local dealer. It's the last one they have, Black w/ vanilla (is this white?) interior, Lux. pkg., cold weather pkg. and premium pkg. offering for $42,900 or $44,900 w/ the 1.9% financing.

    I was wondering, if 1) the financing should be available even with the below invoice pricing, and 2) is this pricing good for this time of year, or should I try and do better. I live just outside of Philly, and we have about 20 Audi dealers with in 80 miles of here.
  • gibber1gibber1 Member Posts: 7
    This forum is for the new 2005 A6. Are you aware that the new A6 is completely redesigned, and that the values of the previous models will invariably do down, quickly?
  • tentwalkertentwalker Member Posts: 10
    I know that the '05s are very different, but I don't particularly like the new ones. I plan on keeping this car at least 6 years, so I'm not too concerned about depreciation. I don't see a forum for pricing on 2004's, and I saw a lot of posts here regarding pricing and financing and was hoping someone may have insight into what I'm looking at.
  • sacguysacguy Member Posts: 27
    The Acura RL, competitor to the A6, is priced at $49,990.00, when you add the 18" wheels and back-up sensor, it is $51,300.00. The comparably equipped A6 is $51,270.00. The prices are the same for comparable vehicles! You can not compare a TL and A6, not the same class, TL would be more like the A4.
  • sacguysacguy Member Posts: 27
    The Acura RL, competitor to the A6, is priced at $49,990.00, when you add the 18" wheels and back-up sensor, it is $51,300.00. The comparably equipped A6 is $51,270.00. The prices are the same for comparable vehicles! You can not compare a TL and A6, not the same class, TL would be more like the A4.
  • liyliy Member Posts: 47
    Just returned from a test drive. Happy to report that finally I can purchase an Audi that I do not consider to be underpowered! The 3.1 liter engine on the 3.2 performs flawlessly. With only 7 miles on this vehicle, I did not what to floor it, but certainly believe that the 0-60 of 7 seconds is justified.

    Ride and handling with 17'' tires was exemplary -with true "go where you point it" aplomb. Took it around and through several twisty roads with no tire squeal, roll, or other problem - also no rattles, squeaks or other annoyances.

    Had never considered the keyless start, etc., but must say its pretty darn neat.

    The car in question was "oyster gray". I would much have preferred the A4's "dolphin gray". Not sure that I can deal with that purple (plum) tint - but we'll see.

    I like this car a lot, and believe that I'm going to go with it, rather than the '05 Acura RL, which I had been seriously considering.

    LIY
  • tyheyntyheyn Member Posts: 14
    FYI--Car and Driver put out a review of the A6 4.2 in its December issue, which just arrived today. I'm sure it's on their web site. In brief, they liked it...
  • sacguysacguy Member Posts: 27
    I have been reading many auto reviews and several have noted that 2005 A6 has a choppy ride and excess engine noise? Any opinions from testers or new owners??
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    I test drove an A6 4.2 w/18" wheels but not sport option. Ride was, for my tastes, firm, but I think it needed the sport suspension -- handling was great, belied its size.

    Engine sound under full throttle was the sound I love to hear -- one of the sweetest sounds around. I know some would think it is loud or not subdued enough in this class of car. I do not agree, but then again, I love the sound -- under less than full throttle, the sound is virtually nil from under the hood.

    This was "almost an A8" IMHO.

    I can't wait to test the 3.2 version.
  • tyheyntyheyn Member Posts: 14
    I drove the 4.2 with sport suspension--it's great on smooth road, but you'll feel potholes, etc... Engine's very quiet...I don't think that's a valid argument. I ordered my 3.2 (arriving this week...details to come) with non-sport suspension and non-sport tires (17"), so I'll let you know how it is...I'm not too worried, to be honest...I'm most bugged by the lack of paddle shifters...
  • liferulesliferules Member Posts: 531
    I picked up my 3.2 oyster gray C6 last night and am really liking it. Before I purchased it, I took it on an extensive test drive. I had already driven the 6 cylinder Euro manual version in August and the 8 cylinder demo earlier this month. I really like the 3.2. It is peppy and has good torque at low rpm. Its no dragster, but I am not a high schooler and don't drag race people.

    What most impressed me was the interior. I really like it. More comfortable each time I drive it. The sound system (Bose) is as expected, great.

    I don't feel it too rough on the road as some others have asked about; but I'm not coming from another luxury car (this is my 1st Audi) so I can't compare. To me, it's responsive and you still feel the road but don't cringe over every pothole (of course I've already bought the car so what else would you expect me to say).
  • monet5monet5 Member Posts: 32
    liferules - How do you like the Oyster Gray color? My Oyster Gray is due 11/22 and I'm hearing the color has a purple tint to it. Little worried I'll be driving around in a Barney-mobile. Thanks!
  • liferulesliferules Member Posts: 531
    Monet5,

    Its a bluish gray. Looks dark gray in the light and has a dark, purple hue at night. Nothing loud or tacky about it. I like the different tones depending on the different light...kind of like having 2 cars (well not really...). Anyway, I think you'll like it. I went by the Audi dealership today to drop off my old car papers and several customers came over to look at my car (despite the 5 other C6's there of different colors).
  • flyfishing47flyfishing47 Member Posts: 7
    Where do you live? I have an A6 coming, but not sure when it will be shipped.
  • joshujoshu Member Posts: 6
    Since you are one of the first owners...did you get your car with the navigation system?
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  • rayainswrayainsw Member Posts: 3,192
    Glancing through my C+D on Saturday, I thought I saw in their '05 A6 4.2 road test an EPA highway rating of 30 mpg.

    23 is what the EPA Guide shows.

    Anyone suggest anything other than a (rather large) error on C+D's part?

    - Ray
    Wondering if even the 3.2 (3.1?) would accomplish 30 . . .
    2022 X3 M40i
  • tyheyntyheyn Member Posts: 14
    My 3.2 shipped out of Houston to San Diego on 10/28...should arrive mid next week. Joshu, did you hear something about the initial cars including complimentary nav? The 4.2 I test drove didn't have it, but I sure wouldn't complain if it came for free on mine...
  • gibber1gibber1 Member Posts: 7
    Arrgggggh! My local dealers shipment of A6's is one mile away from he dealer, waiting in limbo, shrink wrapped like modern day mummies. The salesman, won't even aknowledge that the cars are sitting there. At least I could peel away one of the panels and see the oyster gray in person. I have really hated some of the pics of the 'purpely' shade I have seen on the internet, but am happy to report that the problem is more in my monitor, then in real life.

    Someday my salesman, in theory, will remember my number, and give me hope that the cars will actually exist and he can collect his commission.
  • liferulesliferules Member Posts: 531
    Flyfishing,

    I live in Dallas. The dealerships here have all received their shipments to the best of my knowledge.

    Joshu, yes I ordered the navigation system. It is not included "free" as some have suggested. The navigation system is OK, but like all nav systems, it has limitations. I find it not useful in the city per se as I know better, shorter routes that avoid the busy highways. I think it would be better on road trips to out of the city suburbs, etc... I have already found some limitations on it, such as the entire city of Waco doesn't seem to be listed on it much at all (guess I won't be going to Waco).

    Lately, I've been playing with the "sport" mode of the car and really like it. The auto "drive" is supposed to determine how to drive based on your aggressiveness with the accelerator, but I've found there is at times a mild lag when taking off from a stop when it tries to determine whether to start in 1st gear (for the aggressive) or 2nd gear (for the passive, gas saving persons). In sport mode, it stays in 1st and there is no lag. Its very peppy and fun to drive in sport. I suggest any test drivers try the sport mode when in the C6 as it may help you decide the 3.2 is more than adequate.

    As to the mileage, my car is not getting even near the 20 mph, but its still very new and needs to break in before optimal mileage occur (or so I've read from various sources).

    Gibber, I agree that the Oyster Gray is something you have to see in person. Photos are always confusing due to monitor disparity.
  • revrasrevras Member Posts: 63
    Just received my first confirmed quote on a three.two liter with premium package and cold weather option. Seven hundred and forty dollars a month for a forty two month lease with twelve thousand miles per year allowance. Time to go back to the drawing board and look at a STS w awd or G35 with almost three hundred horespower. I know I can do better than what Audi is offering for the bucks.
  • kenw1kenw1 Member Posts: 30
    Can you tell me what was the down payment, residual value, and interest rate? Did you also get a quote for 36 months? I am also trying to decide if my budget can stand the lease, or if I have to wait till spring for the A4.
  • revrasrevras Member Posts: 63
    it was with one thousand down, they did not quote the residual or interest rate.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Member Posts: 1,681
    For a monthly lease rate under 600, why not look at the VW Phaeton.

    You get the great Audi V8 with 335hp and AWD

    and this interior...

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  • jpvwaudijpvwaudi Member Posts: 139
    The November programs will be announced on the 3rd. You should see a large decrease in payment.
  • stevenr27stevenr27 Member Posts: 9
    Ivan - after seeing a recent ad for the 2004 Phaeton I was thinking the same thing. Do you own one? How does it compare to the Audi? More of a luxury cruiser? The new lease deals seem to good to be true.

    Steve
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Member Posts: 1,681
    Unfortunately I don't own one. Would love one, but my wife and I have adopted a pay real $'s for items (60k to much).

    From what I've read it seems more luxury oriented, but I tend to disagree with movie reviews/restaurant reviews/software reviews, so I tend to reserve judgment until I get my hands on it

    The deal does seem very attractive...I always keep an eye open for "bargains" since I usually assist others in auto purchases.
  • liyliy Member Posts: 47
    So, is the new lease package out, and, if so, could someone post an example?

    LIY
  • gold233790gold233790 Member Posts: 183
    I too am looking for lease $'s. Coming off an '01 A6 lease shortly, and trying to decide between the new A6, A4, and several other vehicles with AWD.

    I know I'm not going to hit the $429/month I paid for 39 months/15k on the outgoing lease, but I could live with something in the 5's. Doubt that'll happen, and I'll settle for the A4.

    By the way, I hate the MMI. But I love the car.
  • joshujoshu Member Posts: 6
    Hold your socks on!! I just got a quote for the A6 that was oredered very early on....it is a 3.2, basically loaded...prem, conv, winter, nav,..etc, msrp around 50k. The quote for a 42 mnth 12,000mile, and downpaymnt of 2500 lease was about 840 per month. Thats right...840 per month. I think Audi wants us to purchase these cars, not lease.
  • johnejohne Member Posts: 17
    Picked up my 3.2 Saturday Oct. 30. Dakar Beige, no nav, with premium, convenience, cold weather, XM radio, 17" all season tires.

    Color: gorgeous, better than expected. Not as "dull" as the web site, sort of a greenish tint. Interior: very well done...really pretty. The lighter (birch?) wood trim is fabulous in the interior. Sound: Great. Back seat is much larger than old A6's...with heated seats and air for my kids! Trunk is nicely sized. MMI: getting used to it, actually relatively intuitive. Styling: lots of gawkers, including my A4 owner neighbor who called it "gorgeous". Front grill is really great, back end is much improved over old A6. Features and flexibility in MMI are really good, seats are very good.

    Highway noise is a bit more than my old 330xi. Ride not quite as stiff as the 330xi (no sport suspension on the 330xi) I have been told that the Audi with sport suspension will be about the same as a BMW without sport. I think that's about right. Ride is firm but not harsh... feels about right to me. I can "feel" the road but not jarred by bad pavement. Much improved cornering (less sway) over old A6. Power is plenty for me. I drove up several mountain passes in Colorado in the past week and can go 80, or 90...makes no difference to the car. Yes, you could get "blistering" speed in a 4.2...and you may want that.

    Gas mileage rated 17/23. Think that's about right.

    Sport mode shifts at a much higher RPM than regular mode. I probably won't use it much...maybe some around town.

    Parking...turning radius is tight and it parks easily.

    Could I spend less and get a really good car (G35, Acura TL, STS, Chrysler 300, etc)? Yes...only Chrysler and G35 (I think) have AWD and G35 is much smaller.

    This is a spectacular car and one you should drive.

    Will be tough to keep my wife away from it and I may end up in the mini van from time to time.

    Cost for a lease is higher relative to a few years ago for the same car, I think. The reason is the residual on a 36 month lease, 18,000 miles is 52%. My sense is that leasing companies were getting burned with end value less than residual. My 330 xi was 56% residual on 36 months so, in effect, you are paying for more depreciation in the monthly payment. To prepay miles over 12K/year costs $.15/mile versus $.25/mile at lease end so there is a "benefit" to doing that if you drive lots of miles. I was told cost of money was about 5% but didn't test the calculation.

    Got a quote on a 39 month lease but it was almost as much...because residual went downt to 49%. Also, warranty runs out at 3 years/50k miles and you may need to license for another year.

    In my view, styling is much better than 530i and E320.
  • tommtomm Member Posts: 31
    Johne - got my '05 A6 3.2 this week (2nd one delivered by dealer in NH) - had to go over the border to find 1 without $3150 extras I didn't really want (local dealer has about 10 coming in, all loaded - all spoken for since August at least). Although not really a true test (I only have 300 miles on the car) - rating is higher than you suggested - at least 26 hiway rating and so far, right there - but as I said, only a few hundred miles.
    Each dealers here in Northeast was given a 4.2 as a demo several weeks ago (no 3.2 to test drive). The 4.2 was a bit stiff (and maybe a bit too loud) for my taste. BUT- the 3.2 is great - fast enough for me ( just traded '01 A6 2.7T) - the 3.2 is better: no turbo lag and it "hunkers down" and goes.
    Mine is Brilliant Black with Beige interior and Aluminium and light Birch trim. Gorgeous; the contrasts are beautiful.
    So - if you can get one, buy it - so far, phenominal!
  • tommtomm Member Posts: 31
    Forgot to mention: the 4 "extras" I didn't get (because I could really live without) were: NAV [$1500]; Parktronic [$350]; Advance Key/Start [$750]; Satellite radio [$550] = $3150. At least I was lucky to find one car is an acceptable color without options I didn't need/want. Happy to entertain questions (not the expert some are - only had the car 3 days!) Good Luck everyone.
  • monet5monet5 Member Posts: 32
    Johne and tomm - Congratulations! Keep us posted on the cars and any issues. Mine arrives in 3 weeks.
  • johnejohne Member Posts: 17
    Congrats...sounds beautiful. I think Audi did a particularly good job on the contrasts of colors in the interior. The birch is really great.

    Actually mileage rating is 19/26...I sit corrected. So much for my memory.

    The original dealer order included parktronic, advance-key start and nav and I was able to remove them before the car was manufactured. He tried to talk me into them but still was more than happy to take an order for the October delivery in July.

    I like the XM but travel a lot on the "backroads" of Colorado and there is virtually no (AM OR FM)radio out there.

    Happy travels.
  • jlim0930jlim0930 Member Posts: 19
    I am new to the german car market having been a 3 time lexus owner. I always have gotten about 3-4k off the sticker price on the lexus even the first lexus that i got. Now i am considering getting the 2005 a6 3.2 with some options and i believe the price came to be around 46k. As i am unfamiliar with how the german car makers work can anyone give me some suggestions about how much i can take off from the msrp price of the car ?

    when i stoped by the bmw dealer ( before finding out about the 05 a6's) they thought that i was crazy to ask for some discounts off the msrp price.

    the options that i want to include are :

    ppx premium package
    pcc convenience package
    c0u 17ingh 9 spoke alloy
    qh2 voice rec
    awb wheel locks

    which came out to be 46805 msrp and 43279 invoice
  • flyfishing47flyfishing47 Member Posts: 7
    I took delivery 11/5 on my 3.2 A6. So far, it's everything I expected. Traded in an '02 A6 2.7 T. The '05 is substantially more car. Mine has the package that the early shipment contained (premium package, DVD, convenience package, cold weather package, advance key 17" 9 spoke alloys, XM radio. Much tighter suspension that you really notice in cornering. Better styling inside and out. The car is much more impressive in person than from pictures on the web site.
  • johnejohne Member Posts: 17
    Supply and demand. My gut says little or none...for awhile....My dealer said all of their new A6's are spoken for through March.

    I was offered ...I don't remember...maybe a $1,500 or $2,000 discount on a 2004 5 series last summer.
  • gold233790gold233790 Member Posts: 183
    Spoke with a few local dealers here in NJ (and there are four Audi dealerships that I could realistically lease or purchase from) about the new A6. I absolutely love the car, except for the MMI. But I could live with it....

    Anyway, from a leasing perspective, the initial residual is in the low 50% range- pretty well below what was expected. This means that while the dealerships are able to get at or around MSRP on these for a little while, any type of lease is going to be prohibitively expensive. I mean, talking north of $800 as we've had posted here.

    Now, this is an excellent new car. But....for $800 my money would go elsewhere.

    I was also told, however, to wait until the spring if I was thinking of leasing. Audi has apparently whispered that there will be typical Audi lease incentives at or around that time.
  • revrasrevras Member Posts: 63
    like many who read this forum I am a current leasee of a current Audi product and have been holding onto my car to await the new lease prices. It appears that for now the new vehicle cannot be an option since Audi has chosen to make leasing prohibitively expensive ..too bad cause I really liked this new car.. looks like a G35 awd or sts or chrysler hemi w awd, any suggestions would be welcomed, basically want a nice sporty awd drive vehicle that can accomodate a family of 3 and lease for a figure that won't send me to the poor house .
  • rayainswrayainsw Member Posts: 3,192
    "Actually mileage rating is 19/26...I sit corrected."

    So, this for your A6 3.2 Tip?
    What is the RPM at cruise? 60 / 70 or 80 mph?
    Thanks,
    - Ray
    Trying to remember if the 3.2 (3.1?) also now has the larger fuel tank . . .
    2022 X3 M40i
  • gold233790gold233790 Member Posts: 183
    Also looking at a G35x.....but don't think you are talking the same league when compared to the A6. First, a better comparison would be with the A4, not the A6.

    Secondly, interior is not close. Infiniti is a nice, entry level luxury vehicle that is fun to drive. A6 is a full fledged, high-end, luxury car. Night and day inside.

    If you could, might be better off waiting for the new M35 AWD from infiniti in a few months, as well as the new A4. M35 will most likely be priced slightly lower than the current A6, and should be more on par inside and out with the A6.
  • audiguy1audiguy1 Member Posts: 4
    After calling three local dealers, my best deal so far is the following quote on an '05 3.2L A6 and I would like any comments you may have:

    MSRP: 46,970
    XM, 17" wheels, cold, prem pkgs.
    $4500 down, .00215 MF, 50% residual
    42 mo. 10K/year
    Mo. Pmt = $616 plus sales tax
    They are discounting MSRP by roughly $800.
  • gold233790gold233790 Member Posts: 183
    First, without running the #'s, you have to ask yourself why you would put $4500 down on a lease?

    I've leased several Audi's, and am lucky enough to have a salesman who not only understands the concept of not putting any money down for a lease (they all do, but few are honest enough with you), but actively cautions against it.

    That $4500 simply makes the monthly payment look a little nicer. Still paying the same amount of money (and you can stick that $4500 into a bank account and draw off of it to help pay the lease if you'd like), and you are open to a ton of risk if the car is totalled or stolen.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    IMO, this is an outrageous deal.

    Way too much money down, term too long and milage too low for this kind of payment.

    The rates and mo payment and discount off list will happen in a matter of weeks or at most months.

    No way would I put that much down, have that long of a term and pay that much.

    My 2003 Audi, puchased (leased) Nov 1, 2002, was $49+K MSRP, 36 months 15K per year, NO MONEY DOWN, no sec dep and actually one month of Audi Loyalty money to make my first payment for me -- total Mo Pay $700+ for 35 months.

    I know, that was then, this is now -- but with that much money down, your payment and the terms are out of line. Wait about 4 to 6 weeks, the deal will be better!
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