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2010 Ford Fusion vs. Honda Accord and Toyota Camry
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Karen:
Are you having a bad day? If you look at my post I am comparing Camry and Accord and the reason for their higher resale value and reliability ratings. That would be nice to understand if you were getting ready to purchase. If you feel the need to shut it down then please do because at the end of the day you are the one who matters right?
Their Best Buys include the Chevrolet Malibu, Ford Fusion, Honda Accord, Mazda 6, Mercury Milan, and Toyota Prius. (though given the lastest recall on the Prius, they will likely drop that from the list).
Our Recommended picks are the Kia Rondo, Subaru Legacy, Subaru Outback, and Toyota Camry. (though the Camry may soon be dropped given its current unsafe record).
I noticed the Fusion rating went up to 9.3. Not bad. What I am curious about, the Camry Hybrid is built in the same plant, doesn't it use the same pedal assembly? :confuse:
Toyota will rebound from this, Ford did when they had the Explorer tire issue, which was more Firestones problem than Fords. The Explorer is still selling well today, and a new platform is coming out soon, so Toyota shouldn't have any problems rebounding after this. What Toyota NEEDS to do though is improve the quality. This is reason #1 that I no longer own a Toyota, the quality in the Camry was sub par. When you can feel the springs in the seat just by pressing you palm down on it, something is wrong. When seats show signs of wear after 16 months, something is wrong. I have cars with over 120K on them that had less wear marks. When you can hear wind noise coming from the drivers door, something is wrong. When the factory installed sunroof doesn't close, or pops when you open it, something is wrong. So far with the Fusion, the only thing I found wrong with the car was a blemish on the drivers door panel which the dealer replaced promptly, and in less than 15 minutes. I have not found any quality issues with it since. The Fusion handles better than the Camry, is quieter than the Camry, and is better looking than the Camry, that nose on the Camry reminds me of Jimmy Durante.
Here are some of my thoughts:
1) Re-design the interior IP. While the quality may be high, the design is unconvincing. The many small, similar looking buttons, complicated controls both for audio and climate, needs improvement. Accord is not much better, but still is. Camry is more simple and easy to control while driving. Also, redesign the funky steering wheel, included all controls to be in different areas, not all of them together which makes it hard to decipher. Also steering wheel size should be no bigger than the Honda CIVIC. It is a delight to drive - it has a sporty, nimble feel, due to its small size.
2) Interior door grab handles, similar to the Camry - or to the Lincoln MKS for that matter, vertically angled and open thru. So it is easy to close the doors, plus that the hands have a comfortable place to rest.
3) Glove box(es) illumination. Much more important than multi-color lighting all over the vehicle.
4) The CamCords feature illuminated ignition key ring. Why not offer that too..
5) Windshield wiper de-icer - found on many minivans. IMO it's a terrific safety & convinient feature and it's beyond me why more models doesn't offer it.
6) Wipers should cover more of windshield, both top and sides. Honda usually does a good job with that (with the exception of some models). And maybe add a hidden rear wiper?? Would that be too much to ask for??...
7) Re-design the signal/wiper stalk. Honda's is superior, both in looks and feel. smaller, with a firm-rubbery feel when activating. Feels much higher quality than most Fords (and GM's). Toyota's are also better, but IMO Honda's stalk is even better with excellent tactile feel. Also reposition the stalk to be straight, not facing upward. All those little details add a lot to the overall feel and quality of a vehicle.
I will add more when it comes to mind....
Otherwise, I feel that Ford did a great job, and is a good choice.
If you want to see the future of Fusion interior design - check out the 2011 Edge interior. It blows away anything from the competition - including the Europeans.
2, None of us have an issue with the doors, they seem to work just fine the way they are.
3, not much can be stored in the glove box once you put the owners manual in, so don't see a need for a light there, but I do see your point.
5, Ford makes wiper shakers that attach to the wipers that vibrate the ice off. I had heated wipers on a Veracruz, damned things always iced up.
6, haven't noticed a problem with coverage, with wiper skipping I have, but the wipers appear to clear quite a bit of glass.
7, placement in the Fusion is perfect if you drive 10 & 2, I don't need to hunt for it, but when at the 9 position, I am always searching for it. 1995 Grand Marquis, 1999 F350 and 2007 Towncar are all at the 9 position and a pain when I drive them. Not sure about the rest of that, haven't been in a Honda to know the differences.
Hey -- What is this fascination with interior car lighting at all? Just bring a flash light along if you need to see... and you're all set!....
I checked out the 2011 Edge Interior. However, I need still to try it out in person, and also read other reviewers opinions. It is high-tech for sure, but I am afraid it will complicate things even more..
Then again I also don't mind the prop rod for the hood - simple, cheap and never needs to be replaced.
And you don't need to worry about the struts failing and having that darn hood fall on your head! The prop struts on my F350 are getting weak, in the cold the hood fell on my head! Ouch! :sick:
Now a Prius had a stuck throttle, although I am skeptical that the dude just got caught speeding and used it as an excuse.
Did you see the guy on the news? He looked to me like he was shaken up. How is he going to make a buck? The first thing the court will ask is what is your loss? I have never seen so many people defend a company over a recall than this Toyota deal, what the heck is going on? Are people brain washed?
Fusion is a Japanese car. Built on Mazda’s GG chassis with a Mazda engine, it is a Mazda 6 that is re-branded to fooling American in thinking it is an American made car. In fact the Mazda 6 is more American built then the Fusion. While Mazda6 sold in the USA are assembled in Flat Rock, Michigan, the Fusions are assembled in Mexico with only 20% of the parts coming from USA/Canada. Japanese Cars sold in the USA like Camrys and Accords had more USA/Canada parts then the Fusion and assembled in the USA.
So US manufacturers assemble some cars in Mexico. Well so do Toyota, VW, Nissan, Honda, BMW, and Mercedes Benz. And even with some US-based manufacturers assembling cars in Mexico, the vast majority are still built in the USA. By the the domestic content of a Mexican-built Ford Fusion is still 30% versus the Japanese built Toyota Prius at 0%.
And GM alone employs more Americans than all foreign automakers combined; 40 percent of GM’s worldwide workforce is in the United States, compared to only 11 percent of Toyota’s.
Chrysler employs about 83 workers for every 2,500 vehicles sold, Ford employs 80 and General Motors 71, according to the Washington-based Level Field Institute. By comparison, Toyota employs 33 American workers for every 2,500 cars sold.
Cya
This seems to be a recent development (rear brake wear) that has something to do with new parking brake designs and/or stability control.