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"About $900 in features were added to the Accord LX model, about $775 were added to the DX model and roughly $1,500 was added to the Accord EX, Elliot said."
$1,500 extra in the EX??
What's new, feature wise in the EX?
Only new features I see are :
- Heated seats in leather models
- Side curtain air bags
- Dual zone HVAC
- Outside temp gauge
There are numerous "enhancements", including add'l HP, 5 spd auto trans, LED instruments, etc.
But I don't see an extra $1,500 in "features".
Am I missing something?
$900 worth of features were added to LX model. So the difference between LX and EX is additional $600. Here is how it can be accounted for,
Side Curtain Airbags ($250-300?)
Heated seats ($200-250?)
Dual Zone Climate Control ($50-100?)
16" rims instead of 15" ($19.99?)
Not sure if the new audio system is drastically different. Cassette is probably gone, but MP3 capability is in.
As far as LX goes, ABS, Side airbags, Telescopic steering wheel, and other minor improvements like engine, transmission etc. could easily account for $900.
~alpha
PS-If you're looking for an objective preliminary review of the 2003, check out the September issue of Car and Driver. I think its the best review out there.
The 2002s will be around as long as the current supply lasts. They started building 2003s in August, so production of the 2002 likely stopped a few weeks before. However, the GM plant my father-in-law works in builds the new model right along side of the old one for a week or so to make sure production is fully up to speed.
If you buy an '02 now, you are likely saving around $1500 over a comparable '03, but you will lose more than that amount in depreciation, unless you plan on keeping the car more than 6 or 7 years.
Informative, flattering, and very fair overall.
~alpha
Can you let me know where I can get a good deal on
Honda in NY or NJ. Clearance Specials or Lease Specials.
Thanks,
dreysler@yahoo.com
A few weeks ago I wanted to see what the depreciation patterns were for Hondas in the long-run, so I searched the local Auto Trader website for used Accord's on sale in the Toronto area. I took the average sale price for all the Accords of each model year back to 1988 and calculated the year-over-year decline. I noticed higher declines in value at the beginning of a generation of Accords i.e. with the introduction of each new Accord generation, the older generation will all go down a bit in value. For early-90's models, the "generation gap" was easily $1,000 Canadian (US$650), not a lot of money on a 1998-2002, but still definately there. Keep in mind, the biggest decline is usually on the first year after production, so I would expect a used 2002 to be AT LEAST $1-2,000 lower than MSRP.
Hope this helped.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/44660418/47181981ijDkpT
BTW - I have a Pro5 and love it... although I still want an RSX for the power!
It was suggested a 1992 Mazda had that shape first. The earliest Honda sighting was a 1995 Acura concept or the 1996-2000 Civics.
However, most people will probably assume it Mazda copying Honda because of the latter's reputation and sales sucesses.
http://www.edmunds.com/used/1992/mazda/
I don't see one with anything similar or seminal to the 5-point grille.
I don't know if the person who suggested that was talking about Mazda vehicles not available in the U.S. in 1992.
98 Mazda 626
http://www.edmunds.com/used/1998/mazda/626/4drdxsedan/photo_1.html
It's not technically a 5-point grille, either, but the bottom semi-crescent moon shape will later become an upside down cusp.
01 Mazda 626
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2001/mazda/626/4dressedan/photo_1.html
You see the standard 5-point grille in the Mazda.
96 Acura Legend first used what is now the Acura penta-grille.
Accord is #1 in July (yay).
http://www.wieck.com/public/*2PV_041633
In 1986, my mom looked at the Accord and put down a deposit for one. She changed her mind and got her deposit back. She ended up buying Accord's rival, the Camry.
Well 16 1/2 years and 221,900 miles later with no major problems its now time for my mom to buy a new car. Now I'm an adult trying to help my mom select her "perfect" new car. I also believe you take a chance on any brand but I know that Toyotas & Hondas are most reliable.
The 2003 Accord and 2003 Camry are both on my mom's list ( the Altima is a little too "crude",the Avalon is for "old" people , she is 64 , US cars have too many problems, the Mazda 6 - ? )
By the way I have noticed more 1986 Camrys on the road than 1986 Accords.
If she's kept a Camry for 16 1/2 years and 222,000 miles, which means she probably was happy with it - buy another Camry.
And this is from a Honda owner.
Not saying a Buick Regal (for example) is as good as a Honda in terms of driving dynamics but in terms of reliability it's about the same and in terms of customer satisfaction it's better.
Predicted reliability - average
Owner satisfaction - average
Honda Accord:
Predicted reliability - much better than average
Owner satisfaction - better than average
Toyota Camry:
Predicted reliability - much better than average
Owner satisfaction - better than average
This though, coming from a guy in the Toyota camp.
I'm somewhat curious as to how you can make that statement with such certainty? There are many 4sp gearboxes that perform just as well, if not better, than some 5sp gearboxes. So just as you quip that Camry shouldnt be the comfort/refinement champ by default, I will contend that neither should a 5sp auto be better than a 4sp by default.
Just as a note- I recently posted a link to a review for the Accord that stated (and I paraphrase) that the Camry still sails down the road better, while the Accord is still a more engaging driver's car.
~alpha
Greetings from sunny Miami.
She feels the lack of power in the 4 cylinder ( even at 157HP ) when merging with fast trucks. She likes some more power !
These are all matters of opinion, and most importantly, matters of priority and experience. I have a lot of the latter in both of these cars, and the extra performance and flexibility that the 5-spd will give the new Accord [especially the 4 cyl] is important to me, if not to you. The marketplace will speak, as usual.
Our poor '01 EX-I4 5spd. suffered another indignity last week. My spouse (who thinks all of us in these forums are nuts) was backing out of a parking stall when noticing that a Durango across the aisle was also backing out and stopped. Apparently, the woman driving the Durango never saw her and backed right into our car. When they both got out, the other driver was screaming that it was my spouse's fault because she would have stopped if she had seen our Honda (?). Pretty good dent in the trunk by the "Accord" badge, a cracked taillight, and big scratches on the bumper. This is the car's second wreck in 26 months of ownership. Bummer...
Smart woman!
Women and Durangos don't mix. What an idiot.
I had to go over to the accident scene because my spouse locked her key in the car when she got out. The woman who hit her was only like 5-feet tall. I'm not surpised that she couldn't see our car because she wouldn't be able to see over the back seats. This doesn't explain why she didn't see it in the side mirror, but who uses those.
I did have to give my wife grief later (she's an awful driver) when she said she honked like four times. Four times?! DID IT OCCUR TO YOU TO MOVE OUT OF THE WAY INSTEAD OF HONKING!! I'd make her drive my Contour with 195K miles on it except that is kind of fragile (i.e, original clutch) and I want to nurse it for as long as possible. Plus, I think she needs all the airbags she can get. Her next car is going to be a MDX or Pilot with all the cattle bars we can find...
I'm sure you remember there was that one particular day on the Accord vs. 6 board where we must have put down over 150 new posts. She must have had a fit tearing you away from the PC! I've since had to take a mental break from Edmunds - defending Honda was very tiring.
5-feet tall in a Durango? Does the Durango even have height-adjustment?! Even so it would not compensate for that - a booster seat is called for in her case.
Um, so you're getting the wifey a Pilot or MDX? No doubt they are awesome - I've tried out the Pilot on for size and I immediately knew Honda was thinking far ahead in designing the Pilot when it was still dealing out Passports. The Pilot is awesome - totally unexpected size for a new model Honda.
Now that you're getting the wifey in an SUV, perhaps consider one of those magnifier lenses people put in the back windows of SUVs and vans. It's like one of thise peep holes you put in your door - it magnifies out and around the visual area so you can see slight below the window and catch vehicles or people there.
Hope your wife is not 5 feet tall!