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the pics do the car NO justice! the v6 is smoother and quieter than the '02, and more than anything, its FAST!!! wow!
and i was only curious as to which parts of the country have been allowed to show and drive the cars.
last, and certainly not least...if the dealer is asking MSRP, then they are obviously still bringing it in your local market. a dealer wouldnt be so stupid as to bring full price if the guy down the street is discounting heavily. dont dismiss the car just because of its market value. the big question is:
will you not pay MSRP because the car isnt worth it? or because you just want the dealer's pocket as thin as possible when you are done?
MSRP on the accord is competitive with comparable vehicles with rebates and heavy discounting...the altima 3.5se tops $28000!!! accord exv6: $26260.
drive the car before you say whether its worth MSRP or not.
Unfortunately, I kept hearing the noise issue on the new Accord. I will not be surperised if the Accord turns out to be noisy. Especially, with a Saturn guy leading the redesign, anything can happen to the new Accord. I have my experience. My 01 MDX is not only noisy, but has quite a few first year quality problems.
I will know the truth next week. Meanwhile if the Camry does not go well below invoice, I will probably have to buy a 03 Camry with $300 over invoice. By the way, the Toyota salesperson spent more than 2 hours with me and I will feel a little guilty if I do not buy from the salesperson. I do not want to waste anybody's time even if the persion is a trick-playing car dealer. I do not enjoy negotiating. I wish buying a car were just like buying shoes. All prices were fixed and once a while the customers got a real sale price. Right now if a dealer says a sale, we do not even know whether it is.
Yes. According to the October issue of Car and Driver, the voice activation system for the NAV system also controls the radio and air conditioning systems as well. They said that as long as you stick to the scripted commands the voice recognition feature works rather well, even if you try and trick it with a fake accent.
I also went to another dealership in the area. They had the Accords hidden in the back. These models weren't even prepped yet. I did notice that they had some I4 EX models. This dealer had about 5 models. Two LX's (Satin Silver, Desert Mist) Two EX's (Desert Mist, Satin Silver) and 1 EXV6 (Satin Silver.) I liked them all, but none were prepped, and the salesmen was afraid to test it because the cars don't debut until Monday. I did get to sit in the backseat, and while the Accord isn't quite as roomy as the Altima, it's roomy enough for someone like myself.
Overall, I may just end up in another Accord.
I've seen pictures of the EX V6 interior including the Motorweek review today but can't quite tell which model gets the faux metal finish trim vs the faux wood trim.
Looks like the EX V6 Coupe gets the metal look as I saw it with the distinctive 6spd shifter on MW. I've also seen the metal finish on the 5spd auto in what might have been an LX V6 sedan. Then there's the fake wood trim.....
Anyone got info or pointers before I go hunting for brochures? TIA
BTW: MW says 8.0 0-60 for 03 Accord (same as 02) !? So MW is using CUs test methods.....not! 1/4 mile in 16.3 @ 89 Honda must have slapped their wrist for reporting 7.7 sec 0-60 when MDX debuted.
Also, cut Charlie Baker some slack. He's not really a "Saturn Guy" having been at Honda for several years and being involved with the MDX, Pilot and low lead engineer on Accord. Read the bio on him that appeared in the September Automobile and you understand why he left GM for Honda.
Spotted 10 Accords at Brookdale Honda at the back of their rear lot on Friday. I had checked in Burnsville and Hopings on Thursday and didn't see any. I didn't have time to get out and look at them and could only see the rear ends. I'd concour with other comments that there is nothing offensive or dramatic about the new car. Its a Honda. Mr. Baker should stop all this "cheeta" stuff...
ahossa...we got a total of 31 accords this morning...prepped 2..an ex cloth, and an exv6...i drove both..the exv6 is absolutely incredible1!!!
i dont know where people are coming up with the noise in the car...the exv6 is about as silent as any sedan ive been in. the 4-cyl does have a little more engine noise, but all 4-cyl cars are that way, and its FAR quieter than the '02. the only wind noise i could hear came from the fold-away side mirrors, but that was minimal.
My trip did not end up empty. Ironically, I got sold a 02'CR-V. LX AWD 5SP for $17,488 including destination. The price is below the invoice of $18,200, the MSRP of $19,660, and well below carsdirect.com's price of $20,060. All above numbers include destination. Considering the popularity of the CR-V, I think it is a fine deal.
I am happy because I now have another 4WD to cope with northeast winter. Yes I lost some of the summer driving fun of a V6 sedan, but I gain some safety on winter traveling. For a person constantly on the road like me, it is probably a better choice.
By the way, the salesperson did indicate to me that they are willing to discount the 03 Accords right now.
SO DO NOT ASSUME MSRP or ABOVE. After all, it is just an Accord not a piece of antique.
Bye-bye, Accord and Camry
Styling and size aside, I know this new generation has the usual improvements in fuel economy, crash protection, NVH, etc. But I'd feel 20 years older if I was driving one. Never thought I'd say this as a Honda owner.
This Accord is a far cry from the '86-89 and '94-97 generations in terms of youthful styling.
Just wondering if anyone has seen any '03 Accords in Canada? I've driven by 3 Honda dealers this weekend in the Toronto area with none in sight. And no word on pricing on Honda Canada's website either.
They had a red metalic EX-I4-L one out front. Very sharp looking from the front (the car was parked facing downward on the showroom ramp which no doubt helped). I was able to pull our '01 EX-I4 along side for a comparision. The new car looks much more substantial and better styled. However, the wheels still don't really look like 16".
The interior on the new car looks really impressive. Like the exterior, it looks much more substantial (and more expensive) than the previous car. I noticed there is no cover over the center cup holders, but they're bigger. My wife always spills soda in the latch on our car anyway, so maybe no cover is OK. Also noted that there is an overhead dome light in the rear. Good for the kids.
I could see a graphite sedan behid the fence and this may be THE color to get with the grey leather. Its too bad black comes with an ivory interior...
Sign me up!
I have seen one last Saturday the graphite pearl V6.. I like it, looks nice. There will always be something that each of us would like to be different.. For me, the alloy for the V6 looks like some of the old wheels I have seen. I have no problem having it though.
I want the V6 because of the power, but I can only afford the 4Cyl right now. I will wait for a while to be able to get a better price. I can't blame dealers if they try to get a better margin for new models. It is really up to the buyer not to play his emotions in buying (even if you have decided that accord is the car).
I think if I wait for a while, I can easily negotiate below MSRP. No offense Bowke, it is not that I like to thin the dealer’s profit, it is just that I would like to save a little on my hard earned money.
Msrp for automatics base (no accessories selected) just to mention a few differences (all now in the website although coupe is not yet available for 2003)
LX 4 $20,000
EX 4 $22,400 moonroof but no 8 way driver seat adj, with alloy
LX 6 $23,000 no moonroof but with 8 way driver seat adj, without alloy
LX 6 with alloy $24,316
too many things to consider! I will keep on reading this forum (although I do not personally like putting down other cars, but just ones personal experiences and likes definitely are very helpful)
I'm the market for a vehicle like the JDM Accord wagon or rumored Latitude, but couldn't help think that Honda has screwed up a little here. This car is HUGE and it needs to go on a diet. At least it comes with folding mirrors, unlike the Camry. Honda is apparently trying to win over Passat buyers, but I really doubt that they will give up the athletic look of the Passat for this bloated vehicle.
The Camry is considered by some to be bloated but it still sells to younger people, the new Accord is more "sporty" than the Camry, so it should it sell better to younger people, who knows ??? I test-drove a Passat V6 a few months ago, and it was vibrating at idle. I really would like a little more refinement not just a fancy interior.I'm 30 by the way.
http://www.hondacars.com/models/model_overview.asp?ModelName=Accord+Sedan
Got some good info and nice pics, but I still think the rear looks too much like a Saturn. It is starting to grow on me, though.
filod...no offense taken...save all the money you can, as you will be doing it at a dealer who doesnt have a clue as to what they have...by all means, take advantage if you can.
I normally get to the Town Hall front page via a bookmark. From there I click on the message center link and then scroll down to a heading called 'bookmarks' where I can find the discussions I'm following. What I don't want to do is to always have to scroll past all of the entries that show up under the heading 'subscription list'. I'm not even sure what I'm supposed to do with the subscription list or how it's superior to the bookmarks, but I don't want it and I can't get rid of it. Does anyone know (sysop?) how I can get just the bookmarks to appear or how I can reorder the page so they always appear on the top rather than at the bottom? Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks.
The subscription listing keeps track of new messages to boards you are following. Its biggest advantage is that you know if there are new messages. It also eliminates the need to bookmark the last message you read.
I'm glad I finally figured this out. I dropped all my bookmarks and just use the subscription list, which makes it much easier to follow.
Even though I would not buy an unreliable Passat, it is a very roomy car that can carry European (Americans, too) adults and families in comfort. I don't want a "sporty" Avalon size car; that's what the new Accord is to me. That's why I'm looking forward to the rumored Honda Latitude. Unless Honda thinks it needs to make the Accord bigger to address the obesity problem in the US, I really don't understand the point of making these so called mid-size sedans supersized. Particularly when you hardly ever see no more than 2-3 people sitting in one.
I understand your enthusiasm for the size of the 03 Accord. I'm sure as a Honda salesman you would feel equally enthusiastic about selling a large Chrysler sedan so long as it had a Honda badge.