Older Honda Accords

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  • yrmacyrmac Member Posts: 134
    Yep...that is one sweet, cool looking accord, what the NA accord should look like. I still don't understand why the NA 7th generation accord looked like a mod Civic. Is Charlie Baker a big Civic fan or are we, NA consumers just a big fan of Homer in terms of automotive styling?
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    ...translate please?? Who's Homer and why are marshmallow chickens so enamored of him?

    ;-)
  • bodydoublebodydouble Member Posts: 801
    Nice pics but I couldn't really see too much due to the plethora of warnings that popped up about internet hackers! :)
  • karl7777karl7777 Member Posts: 12
    The following is from a review of the 2003 Accord here on Edmunds.

    He starts by talking about the DX and then goes on to say:

    "The approximate $2,500 price walk to the well-equipped and most-popular LX model is worth it. This model represents the quintessential Accord and is the most sensible choice in the lineup. It is quiet, peppy, refined, a decent handler and quite comfortable. It exudes quality in terms of materials and construction."

    Only later does he introduce the LX V6. So clearly he's talking about the 4cyl LX.

    Why should the LX be any more "quiet, peppy, refined" or handle any different from the DX? And does the DX have inferior "materials and construction"?

    Everything I've researched suggests that there should be no differences in the areas mentioned.

    What's up?
  • soberssobers Member Posts: 496
    You do not read a lot, do you ? :)) Just kidding
    Yes he IS speaking of Lx I4.

    Yes the first statement is true:
    The approximate $2,500 price walk to the well-equipped and most-popular LX model is worth it.
    **It because AC, Power Everything, 6 speaker Audio, Keyless, Cruise etc additional features

    The second statement is 100% true:

    "This model represents the quintessential Accord and is the most sensible choice in the lineup. It is quiet, peppy, refined, a decent handler and quite comfortable. It exudes quality in terms of materials and construction."

    WHY YOU ARE MIXING TWO DIFFERENT statements ????
  • bodydoublebodydouble Member Posts: 801
    I don't know if karl7777 is mixing the 2 statements but I think he is drawing the conclusion that when the reviewer said the LX is quiet, peppy, refined, he (the reviewer) is implying the it is MORE SO than the DX. But I don't think the reviewer was making that inference.
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    I think it's pretty ambiguous. I can certainly see how karl could get confused.
  • venus537venus537 Member Posts: 1,443
    the accord only feels lethargic but is actually quite fast. all that smoooothness i guess. review edmund's road test of the accord. they took the altima out for a spin just after the accord road test for comparison and they remarked how the altima only felt a lot faster.
  • yrmacyrmac Member Posts: 134
    Nope..I never did say that the new Accord is slow or lethargic. What I said was I didn't notice any difference in the low end power delivery of the engine between the new Accord and the 6th Gen Accord. I completely agree with you with the smoothness of the new accord, however, I think Honda engineers took a step backwards in terms of handling. The new Accord is softer than the previous gen. Maybe Honda is trying to cater to the ageing North American population. Just like what BMW did with their 3 series sedans. By the way, check Mr. Laidlaw review of the new Accord where he coined the article "Wherein sporty Accord proves to be an oxymoron"...
  • stretchsjestretchsje Member Posts: 700
    I agree with the above comments about paying premium prices for a rebadged Accord. Honda should just offer the different suspension as a sport package on the current model. Heck, Honda's the one that built their own car up as being a sporty successor. Those who believe this dream was realized obviously don't drive; they're driven. It's not what I'd call a "driver's car".

    I think the Euro Accord looks like a Mazda 6 and would be a good competitor to the 6 here in the USA. In short, it'd be faster, but not handle as well (the last review I read put it ahead of even the TL for handling). Now, it's be silly to argue which car is really better, but let's just settle and agree that they'd be good competitors, down to personal preference. It'd be nice to have variety among thrifty sport sedans, but only if the price it near the 6. I doubt that could happen under the Acura badge. So, like I said, just offer some of the underpinnings as a sport package on the Accord to keep the price where it belongs.

    If the US is getting Europe's Honda at Acura prices, then the US is getting shafted big time. If I may say so, I don't WANT them to change anything on the car to make it more upscale. It already darn good, so let's not inflate the price! What we need is Euro handling and a manual V6 option. So if they keep the price the same and put a different badge just to emphisize sportiness among the brand, then I welcome it to the market. If not, well, hey- I'd rather take the Mazda anyway :-)
  • 03accordman03accordman Member Posts: 671
    I am not complaining, just puzzled why the needle is a the empty mark and the light comes on with almost 5gls in the tank. IMO, a couple is gls is okay, but 4.5 - 5 is too much. I mean, psychologically, one always wants to fill up as soon as the light comes on, especially if you are on a highway, and with this kind of assumed reserve, you have to fill up every 12 gls or so, makes for more trips to the gas station. Would you guys prefer to keep on driving at night with a baby, on a highway, once the low fuel light comes on, thinking, oh I think I have 4-5 gls in the tank, let me test it? I wouldn't. I again say, I am not complaining, I love my accord, in fact I moved from Nissan to Honda.
  • venus537venus537 Member Posts: 1,443
    even the tsx base model will be loaded with many standard features. i don't think a similarly equipped mazda will be priced much lower. the tsx (euro accord) is more than a domestic acccord with a sports package, the size of the car is smaller. i too am hoping the base tsx model is priced reasonably.
  • 03accordman03accordman Member Posts: 671
    The light stayed on till i filled up
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Member Posts: 2,363
    ...we've had this discussion in the past, but one more time:

    The reason that most of the car makers are turning on low fuel warning lights so soon is simple: the consequences of running out of fuel in a catalyst-equipped car can be dire, even dangerous, if a combination of misfiring and a hot catalyst result in an exhaust fire. There is a simple rule in the car business these days - do everything necessary to keep drivers from running out of fuel, and potentially doing expensive damage to the engine, emissions, and fuel systems.

    I follow the boards for virtually everything German and Japanese, and this is a common question that must come up at least once a month. Yes, the light will come on with as much as 20-25% left in the tank; no, there is nothing wrong; no, this is not unique to Honda [or fill-in-the-blank].

    It's my personal prejudice to never run the tank lower than about 1/3 if I can do anything about it sooner, but circumstances can vary and this is why all of the car makers are positively paranoid about the possibility of having the car run out of fuel. It's the same philosophical reasoning that requires airbag warnings, seatbelt chimes, and now, tire pressure monitors. These guys are anxious not to meet so many of their customers in court...
  • bodydoublebodydouble Member Posts: 801
    a lot of people need protection from themselves!
  • amingaming Member Posts: 119
    "plethora of warnings that popped up about internet hackers!": Sorry, I didn't know. Tested fine for me...no popups for me...I use IE 6.02 Sp1.

    Fuel light warning: A few years back I had a Honda Tech (nice guy) tell me that I shouldn't allow the tank to get too low. He explained to me that grunge from the ground tanks, at gas stations, collect alot of dirt over time and those end up in your fuel tank in small amounts. Over time the buildup continues and starts plugging up your fuel filter. Sounded pretty convincing to me, so I didn't let my tank get too low from that moment on. I've seen some ground tanks get excavated and they were a real mess outside/inside.
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    just a BTW -- Opera is great for stopping pop-ups.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    ...also many times the fuel pump is inside the tank and the fuel itself is used to cool the unit. Low fuel may equal fried fuel pump.
  • bodydoublebodydouble Member Posts: 801
    Me too. I have Windows NT. Would that make any difference?
  • bodydoublebodydouble Member Posts: 801
    colour me dense, but what's Opera?
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    heh -- another browser. http://www.opera.com -- I like it a whole lot. Some things about it are not all that intuitive, but once you get the hang of it, I think it is head and shoulders above the rest.


    Occasionally it will have problems with java stuff, but it's easy enough to copy the URL and drop it into either IE or Netscape when that happens. For the other benefits -- speed, tabbed browsing, far fewer crashes (but not NO crashes) -- I don't mind that part.


    You can also use it to manage cookies, but I don't since I have a separate cookie manager.


    Okay, Opera commercial is over -- check out the website and if you really want to pursue this with me, shoot me an email.


    :)

  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    P.S. -- you can use a free version that has a not very intrusive ad bar on the top, or you can pay to not have that. Obviously, the thing to do is try the free one and see how it works out. The ads don't bother me in the least - they are just part of today's world, it seems.

    Ahem.

    Back to the Accord!

    :)
  • bigzheng17bigzheng17 Member Posts: 81
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    www.webwasher.com

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  • pbm25pbm25 Member Posts: 3
    I'm going to buy a 2003 accord ex v6 in the next week or so and I was wondering if I could get it for $24,000 or less. What is everyone else paying? I'm in the Chicago area
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Member Posts: 1,978
    I have never in my life seen so many wrong answers for the low fuel light problem.

    How do you think it really works ? It has to be based on a simple float type level switch.

    Gee if it installed at slightly the wrong height it will close circuit at the wrong time, i.e. with too many gallons left in the tank.
  • srockrsrockr Member Posts: 79
    I am planning on purchasing an Accord or Civic tomorrow and need help:
    1. Due to budget need to either purchase a '03
    Accord DX or '02 Accord (not sure what model
    will find out when I see prices at lot). What
    is a better bet for me, just want reliability
    and good value).
    2. Should I look for a Japanese made Accord. (Is
    it true that if VIN number starts with "J" it
    was made in japan?)Are Japanese made Hondas
    really that much better than others?
    3. Will I experience more problems w/ Civic over
    Accord?
    4. What is Estimated cost of maintenance over 3
    years (oil changes, etc. at dealership)
    5. Any quirks on these cars above I should be
    aware of?
    6. Do Honda dealerships ever give loaner cars
    when your car is in overnight for repairs,
    service?

    I know this is a lot but would appreciate any
    helpful info. you may have.

    Thanks a million I love this board..
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    I personally would pick the 03 Accord DX.
  • bodydoublebodydouble Member Posts: 801
    I wouldn't be able to live without those. srockr doesn't seem too picky on getting the latest and greatest. He may want to check out the leftover '02 bargains and perhaps consider a 5-speed EX.
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    DX comes with power windows, including the 1-touch down/up feature and power locks. Keyless entry can be programmed into the car as a dealer option.

    My criteria in a new car is simple: power win/locks, a CD player, A/C, keyless entry, and probably style.
    That's why I would personally choose the Accord DX over a Civic. It may not have as much features as the 02 Accord LX, but I like the new Accord's looks and I'd be happier with that than whatever gadgets the 02 LX has to offer cause my criteria is very simple.

    Of course, srockr ultimately makes the decision.
  • apatiaapatia Member Posts: 36
    I've been looking for a used late model Accord and have learned that the configuration I have settled on (year, body type, trim, tranny) is pretty hard to locate - at least in my part of the country.

    After lots of searching, I have found one but being the cynical person I am, I'm concerned about a few things:
    - it has pretty low miles, maybe too low. perhaps the car has been in a wreck, flooded or has body damage (the seller claims not to sell those type cars).
    - it's priced about $2000 above edmunds tmv [firm] (but I've found during my research that other dealers price older models of this car, (same model, trim, many more miles) slightly lower than or equal to the asking price; of course other sellers negotiate price, too)
    - since it's so hard to find, i haven't test driven one yet (but maybe it'll be okay? it can't be any worse than my rusting 120 hp '90 accord)
    - in order for me and the car to be in the same place for me to check it out, some travelling (hundreds of miles) is required.

    What do you guys think? Should i at least arrange to check out the car in person?

    There's always a chance that a vehicle meeting my criteria will pop up locally. But i've been searching for a while w/o luck, and I'm not optimistic. Plus, I'm now in the situation where my current vehicle may not hold up much longer.
  • irish24irish24 Member Posts: 43
    You need to trust your instincts. There seem to be too many unanswered questions and it's obvious you don't really trust the current situation. Why would you pay 2K MORE than Edmunds price when I can buy a new 2002 (July 02) for 1K LESS than edmunds price?

    If you can get the vin# you can run a free car fax basic check at one of the sites but that won't tell you everything.

    I'd ask this board what they think is a good price for the veh. in question or ask a local dealer to see if they can locate the vehicle that meets your criteria and perhaps find a certified vehicle. Even if you travel to the car that you are looking at....do you have the expertise to check out the vehicle? How will you know if the frame is bent w/o putting it on a lift?
  • apatiaapatia Member Posts: 36
    That's the rub. I wouldn't have this problem if I could just waltz into the local dealer and get what I want. But I can't. Dealers in my area don't have this configuration, new or used. I've checked most of the dealers within 300 miles of my location with no success.

    Does it matter if I could purchase a new 2002 for $1k more, if I can't find one for sale?
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    jrct9454 is right. In fact, I had a rental Hyundai (Sonata) couple of months ago and going through the owner's manual, they specifically mentioned that running on low fuel can cause damage to the engine/emissions system.

    The warning light comes up at about 13.0 gallons (on and off) in my 98 Accord, and that has never bothered me. I usually fill it up by next gallon or two. I wouldn't prefer to be reminded when I have only 2 gallons or less to go, even if it didn't hurt the engine/emissions or whatever. It is easy to get stuck in traffic, or not find a gas station within miles. Better to be safe than sorry.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    It is too small to satisfy the needs of a family sedan in American market. It is about 6" shorter and 2" narrower than American Accord, and to fit a reasonably sized V6, Honda would have to tweak the dimensions like they had to with the first Accord V6 (96?).

    The Euro/JDM Accord is expected here in the USA as an Acura (TSX) and a forum exists right here. Initial speculations are about 200-250 HP variants of the 2.4 liter engine. Japan is currently getting 200 HP @ 6800 rpm/172 lb.-ft @ 4500 rpm variant of the same four cylinder engine that American Accord uses. This might be the 'base' engine in the TSX if it arrives here. Some Euro magazines are speculating on a 250 HP performance model to replace the Type-R model, but at this point, it is simply a rumor. If that happens, it could power the Type-S variant here.

    Here are couple of pictures, and my guess is that Acura TSX will sticker at around $26K, with a few more features.
    Exterior
    Interior
  • ahossaahossa Member Posts: 152
    Can't figure out what you are looking for. You gave very genealised description.I don't know how much yu are planning to spend but I would suggest u drive the 300 miles to check the car out. If U are buying an 02 model you can take chances but anything earlier U need to be very careful.
  • daveyboy35daveyboy35 Member Posts: 12
    Hey Guys, On other boards I'm seeing many issues having to do w/ theses problems in the 03 accords...

    Picking Mine up 11/12, and cant have this... Actually, its why I'm going to Honda in the 1st Place!!! My 2000 Passat has been great (little/no probs) but the dealer gave me an estimate of $2000 for 60k services (timing belt, water pump, O2 sensors, brakes, etc)... Figured $2k that I would spend + trade in = the new Accord EX-6 :)

    Thoughts guys? Probs?
  • umyayaumyaya Member Posts: 123
    Just looked at those pictures and thought wow! When would that maybe be here??? I'll try to search the previous posts. I like that car!
  • wwaite1wwaite1 Member Posts: 7
    In the manual with my 2000 accord it says timing belt should be changed at 105,000 miles if driven mainly in temperatures of no lower than minus 20 deg. F and no hotter than 110 deg. F I drive well within that range .Would you think I should change it well before that mileage to be safe or is there no danger going to that mileage?? I live in Kelowna British Columbia Canada. Thanks Bill
  • jud95accordjud95accord Member Posts: 58
    I have had my 03 Accord V-6 since 9/14/02 and have not had any problems with the steering or the cold starts. The car is great and very fun to drive. Good luck with yours - what color did you go with?
  • as400guruas400guru Member Posts: 2
    Accord vibrates at 40 mph steady speed. If I release gas and crank it up then runs ok. What is wrong? Any solution?
  • ickes_mobileickes_mobile Member Posts: 675
    It will be interesting to see how these dimensions playout compared to the NA model, expecially the narrower width. I mean, the two cars have the same dashboard and the door panels look the same, so I'm not sure where they could take out two inches in width???
  • ickes_mobileickes_mobile Member Posts: 675
    Dispite many complaints about these tires here, Consumer Reports rated them the second best Touring tire in their current issue...
  • daveyboy35daveyboy35 Member Posts: 12
    Hey Jud, thx 4 ur reply.

    I went w/ the Graphite,,, great to hear urs Accord is doing fine... (fingers crossed) ;)

    I commute to work 100 miles/day.. need a reliable car (and entertain me),, my Passat is fading (Electrical probs + high maint.)

    cant wait til Tue!
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    "Just go test drive a Nissan 3.5V6 and an Accord 3.0 V6. The Accord V6 siginicantly feel more sluggish, noisier, and less refined."

    A couple of months ago, I got into an exchange with a Nissan fan (cding) when he posted the above message. I guess Edmunds has shown how wrong he was...

    "While the Nissan felt far quicker than the Accord due to increased engine roar and vibration, we could only manage a 6.8-second 0-to-60-mph time."

    "...yet we tested our long-term V6 Altima the same day and found it only two-tenths faster than the Accord in the quarter-mile (though the loud and raucous engine made the Nissan seem much faster)."

    "Loud and raucous"? "Increased engine roar and vibration"? Doesn't sound very refined to me. And they're abundantly clear on the fact that the Honda V-6 is much more quiet and refined. "Ultrarefined — yet powerful — V6 engine" is what they said.

    Thanks for the help, Edmunds!
  • stretchsjestretchsje Member Posts: 700
    Don't forget C/D got the Altima to 60 in 6.3 seconds- that is pretty substantially faster.

    And that noise isn't a bad thing. Heck, look at all the R&D that went into making the sounds of the Mazda6's new engines. The Altima and 6 are both sporty cars and should make these sporty noises, while the Accord does not and should not. I wouldn't call the quiet engine more "refined" just on it's volume, because they refined the Altima's engine it sound that way, and thank goodness they did!
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Member Posts: 1,467
    Wards has been naming Nissan's VQ series the V6 best engine in America since the started putting the 3.0 in the 3rd gen. Maxima SE. Hondas engine is just as good IMO.
  • macodymacody Member Posts: 18
    Hi all; does anyone have advice re discount alloy wheel prices online? I have bent (very slightly) one wheel and need to replace it. Any help would be appreciated; email chiu4@yahoo.com

    Thanks.

    macody
  • bklynguybklynguy Member Posts: 275
    last night I was driving in NJ and saw this sign for "Planet Honda" but some lights were out so the sign read "Planet Ho"
  • civicwcivicw Member Posts: 135
    Does anyone really drag race big cars like the Altima and the Accord? I've never understood the preoccupation with being a fraction of a second faster.
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    Well, it was the Altimaniac who brought up the comparison and stated that he thought the Accord engine was noisier and less refined than the Nissan engine. According to Edmunds, the Altima's engine makes more noise, is raucous and exhibits more vibration. You can spin that into "sporty" if you so desire. However, with the tendency that Edmunds reviewers have shown to gush over the Altima's "sportiness", I would expect that they would have referred to the Altima's engine noise as "sporty", if that's what they meant... but I don't think that's what they were trying to say. IMO, "raucous" isn't a term that I consider a compliment when describing the sound of an engine. Nor is a description of "engine roar and increased vibration". I didn't feel that the reviewer mentioned these things as points in the Altima's favor, since all of the noise comments reflected negative connotations. There are much more positive terms that one can use to describe the sound of an engine, but the reviewer didn't use any of them.

    For the record, many testers and owners have pointed out the fact that the Accord/Acura V-6's have an induction growl that many people find quite satisfying. Although the Accord isn't all "hey, look at me... I'm REALLY sporty!!!!" like the Altima and 6, it's hardly the "car as appliance" that fans of the latter 2 cars claim it is.

    Anyway, my point stands... cding claims that the Altima engine is quieter and more refined than the Accord engine, and Edmunds clearly disagrees. You may or may not like the Altima's more noticeable engine noise, but it's there regardless.
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