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But hey, let us get back to Accord.
But how does one get behind the wheel? Desn't one have to see the car before they get in?
Hmmmm. I guess that means that one who owns an Accord walks up to the Accord wearing a blindfold. And washes the Accord wearing a blindfold. And looks out to the driveway or street where the Accord is parked wearing a blindfold.
Of course if it were better looking on the outside than the inside, then that would be the deciding factor.
I guess.
No blindfolds needed, thank you.
I would like to get the new Accord, but with TSX and new TL, I'm not so sure any more.
I actually can't wait to see my Accord when it gets here .. and that means the inside AND outside. I've been going to Honda's website alot to build my car so I can picture what it will look like with the fog lights and rear wing on it. Did I say that I can't wait?
accord7: I actually searched for some owner sites that might have pictures but didn't find any. You might be able to search vtec.net and find some though if you are patient enough.
I can only find the 0-60 for the V6 which is out of my price range, but not the DX.
If the 6 floats your boat, then bashing the accord simply by its looks will get you nowhere. The Mazda 6 can only wish to sell like the Accords and the Camries. And isnt that what they aimed for with the 626? To compete with the Accord? They miserably failed. Now, realizing their mistake that it takes a lot more to topple Honda and Toyota, they launch the 6 with the zoom-zoom hype. There's no doubt that the 6 is visually appealing, but it takes more than looks to succeed in a sea of midsize cars. Certainly, I wouldnt get a car that looks good, only to look its best in the repair shop most of the time. It has to have something more for a less than the competition. This will be a very difficult job for Mazda, especially with Hyundai running around for a lot less.
For Mazda's sake, I hope they have learned their lesson with the 626, The six is their last if not ultimate card to play. If it does make it, then Mazda will get to live another decade.
I am quite sure Honda isnt losing sleep with the introduction of the 6, so quit bashing the Accord for its looks because as someone had pointed out, the accord customers is not that "shallow" to even make "looks" of car be the deciding factor in the purchase. It is the overall package.
And lastly, while not all is enamored with the Accord looks, I have met some people that equally hates how the 6 looks inside and outside.
So can we just discuss the engineering attributes of the accord because this is where it actually shines above the rest.
Altima 4 - 9.0 sec.
Passat 4 - 9.0 sec.
2002 Accord 4 - 10.4 sec.
CR's figures tend to be a bit lower than sources like car magazines. I think that's because CR doesn't use dragstrip tricks to maximize acceleration, so they show performance figures that the average driver can actually achieve.
System when buying a 2003 Accord LX? Or,
didn't they have this system on the one you
purchased?
And with the whole Impala, Mazda6 thing, let's be honest. Either you like the Accord or you don't, but neither of those other cars are in it's league. Honestly, Camery and Accord set, and continue to set, the standard by which all other non-luxury cars are measured. It's that simple. I'm not saying you have look like them, or buy them, but those other cars are not a Camry or Accord. They may be sportier, etc., but at being sporty, comfortable, quality, reliable... only Accords and Camrys are Accords and Camrys!
Just got this from my carsdirect contact about why #'s were down... As I've already bought my car, I see no reason for him to bs me.
"Demand is high and supplies are very low. Sales #'s are lower than last year
due to the new models' availability."
CR's 0-60 and the Car and Driver street start 5-60 involve thomping down the gas pedal with no advanced technique, as most would likely do for a quick merge into traffic from a standstill.
Car and Driver, along with the other mainstream mags, perform their "0-60" using more advanced techniques, ones that most consumers dont replicate. For automatic transmission models, they use "brake tourquing" to get a fast launch. With manual transmissions, finding the best launch RPMs, shift points, and double declutching can yield HUGELY different numbers than for the plebian "street start". Example: the S2000 in the 12/02 issue of Car and Driver does the 0-60 trick in 6.3 seconds, but the "street start" takes a whopping 7.6 seconds. (Indeed, C/D discusses this in the text of the story as well).
In conclusion, I think CR's numbers are good for judging what the average Joe should expect, but for TRUE, ALL OUT accelerative capabilities, these numbers are not indicative.
That said, someone earlier said that his/her previous gen 4cyl Accord auto did the 0-60 in the 8s- the quickest documented I have seen is a time of 9.2 seconds, with the street start a couple of tenths higher (C/D, 8/99). Given natural variences, you must have one of the quickest stock Accords- enjoy!
~alpha
When I bought my Accord, the Honda dealership that I went to had about 200 in stock, and they were mostly LX Auto I4 or LX V6's. These are the mainstream vehicles, in fact I saw 3 get delivered while I was buying mine. Of course it was a friday early evening, but thats still a pretty decent volume for any dealership in 2hours.
As for 0-60, here is my guess,
I-4 Manual: ~ 8s
I-4 Auto: High 8s
No special techniques, although I press down firmly, gently (to avoid torque steer), and once moving, then I floor it...so essentially, it's 5-60, not 0-60.
And still, even those who say they've seen many, I would reiterate the point made earlier that when divide into styles, etc, that's not allot, especially as compared to this time last year when the trends for what people wanted had been established by Honda and catered to. Yes, I'm sure they have an idea of what was going to sell this time around too, but not as exact and idea, and not as many equally dispersed in all the markets.
Whoever said the Accord's trunk is small and therefore the car cannot be classified as a family car is just plain SILLY. I have a family of 4. The Accord can easily swallow everything we've ever needed to carry -- typically includes 2 suitcases, a couple of backpacks, an overnight bag, sometimes ski boots, poles. I think most vacations for most folks are not longer than 1 week. Just how much more luggage is needed?? If you go for any longer than that, use the damn coin laundry at the hotel! I'd admit there may not be room for 4 adults going on a 2-week backpacking/fishing/hunting/camping expedition, but I thought that's what pickup trucks and SUV's are for! If the Accord is not a family car, what the hell is it? For the last 10 years or so, the Accord has defined the family car. SHEESH!
:-D
Remember, Honda started out with '03 Accord importing cars from Japan, until Ohio started delivering. Accord Coupes aren't made and sold anywhere but in USA/Canada. American version of the sedan is sold in some other parts of the world.
Couple of months down the road, Coupes will add 15% to the Accord sales as they have, in the past.
robertsmx: We have been looking for a 5-speed silver, blue, black or graphite EX coupe with leather since they came out and just found one. And that's with several Honda dealers in the metro area including one of the country's largest dealers (Gwinnett Place). We put our deposit down on Saturday for a silver EX-L coupe. The car is supposed to be built on the 14th but they said there is one at the port that is unassigned that they might be able to get then we will get the car sooner. YAY!!! Woohoo!!! Can't wait.
I do remember the shortage of 98 coupes. Even when I bought my sedan in 99 they had a V6 coupe with a $2000 market adjustment. I thought they were outta their minds.
It might be a a bunch of hogwash but who knows. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt since they have been pretty forthright in my dealings with them on this car and the 02 SI I bought from them.
All the other RAV4s on the lot had an avg of 30 miles on the odometers.
Thanks.
I've done it once, the Corvette plant in Kentucky.
Do you really, really want me to tell you what I saw them doing while assembling cars?
And the same kind of people are build those Hondas we are buying.
"Just push that one with the blown engine to the side with the others, Joe."
You wouldn't believe what they do to the cars before they load them up to be delivered to the dealers. A dealer "test drive" doesn't even begin to approach what the factory does with them after they roll off the assembly line.
--cold engine rev to redline
--"speed shifting" new transmissions
--bringing the cars to a stop by shifting into park while still rolling
--smashing the brakes from normal driving speed to see when anti-lock kicks in
--"burning rubber" coming off the assembly line
Those are just a few of the things I observed.
That doesn't include how the trucker loads them onto the carrier for shipping.
Long and short of it, those first few miles you see on the odometer from the factory weren't "easy" miles. Bottom line....don't worry about those first few miles or demo miles. They can't be any harder than what the factory does.
I always had the naive notion that all cars were lovingly crafted and assembled. Having been through the Honda plant, the Toyota plant (in KY) and the Saturn plant in TN, it was obvious at all these plants that the name of the game is "keep the assembly line moving".
Cool tour if you ever get the chance to take it, though.
About those quick change oil places, one word.DON'T. They won't have the same kid in the pit two visits in a row. WHEN they strip the drain plug they'll put in an oversize and you won't know until at some point it leaks. Also they don't always put the washers in correctly or cross thread the filter.
Signed, experienced