Older Honda Accords

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  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    miles and a timing chain who cares what you put hood up with? It's not like you are opening it every day. Geez.
  • rhard49rhard49 Member Posts: 226
    How much do you save when your already in production using them on the 6 probably costs more in parts to have 2 styles. And not covering the trunk lid must of saved them at least a buck.
  • bbf65bbf65 Member Posts: 29
    i was wondering if anyone here has had the experience of upgrading speakers on a '94 accord lx sedan.

    quick questions:

    1. are the grilles removable or should the whole door panel cover be removed for the door speakers?
    (same with the rear deck/parcel shelf).

    2. are the speakers sizes: 6.5in (front), 6x9 (rear) correct (according to crutchfield)?

    3. are there extra harnesses needed?

    thanks in advance.
  • pj23pj23 Member Posts: 158
    I have an '03 EX-L manual, my wife has an '02 LX manual. The '02 vibrates much more than the '03, but doesn't rise to the level of annoyance, at least for me.
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    C$37K for an Accord.. way too much, you are in entry level luxury car range there.
  • charliecarcharliecar Member Posts: 19
    Today I discovered a web site run by a Honda salesman named Minville Thompson at Jay Honda in Bedford, Ohio:

    http://www.insidethecardeal.com/

    He says he can deliver anywhere in the country, and the prices seem great. Anyone have experience with this or similar offers? What are the costs of long-distance delivery likely to be? (Oddly, I couldn't find that information on the site.)
  • bamacarbamacar Member Posts: 749
    I have a 03 4cylinder 5 speed manual and have had no idling problems. Of course, it sometimes idles higher upon cold startup but that is normal as far as my experiences with other vehicles.

    Excellent vehicle, but since I have the LX, I still have to get some aluminum wheels to get rid of the cheapo plastic wheelcovers.
  • amingaming Member Posts: 119
    That was the final price after all taxes and freight and PDI (Ontario only). I rechecked the #'s and its $1337 off MSRP. Sorry for the confusions folks.....

    Email me if you have any questions.
  • paulhuangpaulhuang Member Posts: 62
    I don't own an Accord, but I actually prefer prop rods, even if they look primitive =) Reason? The hydraulic supports for my car no longer hold the hood open. I went and checked prices for replacement parts at the dealer, $110 EACH!!! So now I am using my squeeze's handle as prop rod ;) Technology and advancements are good, but if the benefits/cost ratio is low, as in this case for me, I'd go with the primitive solution.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    ...Honda conducts focus groups when doing product development. I guess no one cared enough about the prop rod during the focus groups. Must be the same people who don't care about gooseneck hinges!!

    IMHO, I see nothing wrong with either one.
  • joeandcarol2joeandcarol2 Member Posts: 152
    Anyone know when honda will begin selling this "stealth" model?
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    Who didn't care or preferred the proprod. It's nice to have struts on my Lexus's long big ole hood but unnecessary on my Hondas short light hood.
  • bowke28bowke28 Member Posts: 2,185
    originally was slated to hit in january, but around christmas, we got a memo that it would be sometime in the 1st quarter.
  • buffaloesbuffaloes Member Posts: 24
    I have a new 2003 Accord EX v6. Are the buttons on the steering wheel supposed to be lit at night? They are dark at night when I have my lights on, and I cannot tell by feel what they are.
  • bowke28bowke28 Member Posts: 2,185
    hopefully, they can correct this in the next refresh.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    And I can recognise mine. It somes pretty quickly. There aren't that many buttons.
  • amingaming Member Posts: 119
    Are they lit on luxury model cars? I've never seen that before..neat.
  • spleckspleck Member Posts: 114
    Honda can't feel too bad about pushing the release back since their website has said Feb release ever since the announcement. It must be hard though when people are looking to salesmen for "inside" info and they're getting run around.

    I heard somewhere Feb 18, but I don't know if that's arbitrary or if it was reliable. Does every dealer get the same info directly from Honda, or does it go through regional offices first? I heard them called MOVE requests before... I'm guessing that's used for ordering and there is usually info/instructions attached to that?

    Also, I'm hearing that none of the 6MT are showing up in the computers yet for orders coming in.
  • spleckspleck Member Posts: 114
    I believe we're all still waiting for the 6-speed manual. I've heard there are a couple out there for demo purposes, but the only Coupe V-6 they're selling is an automatic.
  • bowke28bowke28 Member Posts: 2,185
    the only 6-speed(s) built yet are for the media. we have an extremely large allocation on all models, and i'm yet to see one on the list. all february build dates have been set, so it can't even be ordered till march, let alone be built and delivered. i quit holding my breath a month ago, so i guess it'll just be a nice surprise.

    i'll be lucky to even get to drive one. the first one is already sold at $29k, so noone will touch it. the next one after that prob. wont be here till april.
  • amingaming Member Posts: 119
    manual: thanks for clearing that up.
  • snodogsnodog Member Posts: 12
    bbf65: I also have a '94 LX sedan. To answer your questions:
    1. The grills are not removable. You have to take off the door panel. It's pretty easy. There are only two screws (I think), one behind a little cover behind the door handle and one in the door pull. After unscrewing these, gently pull out the door panel along the edges to release the plastic clips. Then slide the door panel up and over the lock stem. To get to the rear speakers, you have to remove the covers which are secured by 4 screws under the deck lid. Can get to these through the trunk. Remove the grills and the speakers can then be removed.
    2. The front speakers are 6.5", the rears are 6x9.
    3. I replaced my headunit and added an amp at the same time so I re-wired everything. You shouldn't need a harness if you are just replacing the speakers. May have to cut off the existing wire clips and solder on the ones that come with the new speakers.
    Hope this helps.
  • 1997montez341997montez34 Member Posts: 202
    "But it's not even that. It's just that prop rods looks so.....primitive, so.....cheap. How about alloy wheels? Do they really have a measureable benefit over wheel covers? But how many people would want wheel covers on their Accords?"

    I wanted wheel covers. The way I see it no one will want to steal my wheels, and quite frankly I love in a area where Hondas are a hot commodity with car theives. One less reason for these savages to take my property.

    And the prop rod? Tell me how primitive it is. But first, can you help me hold up the hood of my '95 Maxima. The struts have worn out. :)
  • seafseaf Member Posts: 339
    The decision to go with the simpler design is probably for durability. Simplicity and efficiency while accomplishing the goal is what most engineering endeavours are about. Though cars have strayed from that philosophy a long time ago with heated seats, headlight washers, motorized retractable antennas etc... Just my opinion of course.
  • spleckspleck Member Posts: 114
    It would be nice if they just went with rechargable hydraulic supports. Dealers would love to recharge them for $39.95.

    A cheaper option would be if they included a little washer-ring on the hydraulic supports that you could slide up to the piston and it would lock it up. Use it when you're working with the hood open for a long time, or when they wear out. This would probably be more likely to see the light of day as an aftermarket.

    Personally, I went to the junkyard after my 91 Taurus struts went out. Swiped some from an 89. Still work great. I'm guessing the heat (and the associated higher pressure) is what wears them out. The originals were from the desert, the replacements from TN.
  • jbolltjbollt Member Posts: 736
    What happened to the "old way" of doing it? Hinges with springs? Or did some even have the "torsion bars" like many current trunk lids still do?
  • vmaturovmaturo Member Posts: 71
    A pair of prop struts with lifetime warranty including tax for only $34.00 at Advance Auto Parts.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    And do the same job.
  • rhard49rhard49 Member Posts: 226
    Get over it there cheap and dont belong on a 20K plus car, on the DX maybe. You should ask honda if they have ever seen a cheetah like prop rod. Time for Honda to figure out if its in the eonobox market or trying to move upscale. Is this a new crossover vehicle haha.
  • cds12cds12 Member Posts: 139
    Who the hell cares? Its a Honda, you wont be using either one that much.

    Now if I had a Ford Taurus Id care.

    :)
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    You pop the hood and put the end of the prop in the hole. How hard can it be? I use my dual-zone climate control and heated seats much more than I used the prop rod or struts on the hood.

    Instead of complaining about 4 cylinder Accords not having struts why not mention that the Accord comes with standard ABS, integrated antenna, tilt/telescoping wheel, excellent crash test results, 5-speed automatic transmission, LED gauges, and most importantly 8 cupholders. You can also get the above-mentioned dual-zone climate control, heated seats, 6-disc in-dash changer, remote window operation, steering wheel audio controls, and auto-off headlamps.

    Alot of those things are not available in mainstream family sedans. And most are features typically found in entry-level luxury cars, not a $22,000 car. To me, the Accord deserves much "props" for being one of the safest and most economical family cars on the road.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    But you gotta have trade-offs. If you are the bean counter at Honda and you have the choice between heated seats or gas struts for the hood, which are you going to think the customer will appreciate more? I had an Accord V6 with gas struts and didn't like it any more or less because of them. However, the heated seats, dual-zone climate control, and other extra goodies have made this 03 coupe an easy favorite over my 01 coupe.
  • bamacarbamacar Member Posts: 749
    Having an LX, I have had a number of vehicles with and without prop rods, but could care less about prop rods. On the other hand having wheelcovers is downright cheap. Something seen by me only once every three months versus something seen by everyone that comes in visual contact with my car. No comparison between the two.

    This is my first vehicle to "not" have aluminum wheels in about 18 years. My vehicles have been downscale and upscale of the Accord, but they all had aluminum wheels standard or as cheap options.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    Very few base model cars in the Accord's class have alloy wheels. They aren't standard on the Camry LE, Mazda 6, etc. Even base BMW's come with wheel covers. At least Honda uses bolt-on wheel covers so they won't fall off, get loose and wobble, or get stolen.
  • bamacarbamacar Member Posts: 749
    I agree the Camry is in the same boat, but for example the Mazda 6 has wheels in the premium package that gives both 16" wheels and a power seat for $800. The typical honda dealer will try to charge you more than 800 for 15" wheels plus installation. See how many new Accord LXs leave the dealership with aluminum wheels versus Mazda 6s. There will be no comparison(I would guess more than 50% on the 6, less than 5% on the Accord). My Protege LX came with aluminum wheels. Vibe/Matrix almost all have aluminum wheels since they are only 400 dollar options (and 16"). By the way the DX is base model, the LX is mid-level.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    You can get a set of wheels starting at $300 from tires.com. And you can choose the wheels instead of Mazda or Honda. No point in having factory wheels if you don't like the appearance. And to me the 16" wheels available on the 6 aren't much different than wheel covers.
  • bamacarbamacar Member Posts: 749
    Funny you should say that. I just finished attempting from Tires.com to get 7 wheels of the same model to balance. No dice. Sent them back and gave up. Nothing in my opinion compares to the look of the EX 4 cylinder wheels, which of course are not available as an accessory from Honda. I like them better than the V6 wheels even if those are 16". I think the Mazda 6 wheels look fine, not as good as the 17" ones, however. Wish I could of put them and a power seat on my Accord for $800. Hey, other than the wheels and the exterior temperature indicator not being standard equipment, I love my Accord.
  • rascalloverascallove Member Posts: 28
    does anyone know how much the Honda accord 2003 coupe are selling for?
  • spleckspleck Member Posts: 114
    When I first got the Taurus and saw the hydraulic hood, I was impressed (and it was already 8 years old). Then the engine/tranny fell apart and I really appreciated the struts, especially for a quick oil check when its 10F outside.

    gee35... yes prop rods do the same job. That's the worst argument ever. A Ford Pinto will get you to work--it does the same job as your Accord commuter. An 8-track will play music--it does the same job as that CD player.

    Would you give up your electric side-view mirrors? The only time I adjust them is if someone else has been driving my car. Honda has already sourced the struts for the V6. If they're $34 from Advance, Honda can't be paying more than $10 for them.

    There are plenty of cars that provide high quality jacks... how often do you use them?
  • spleckspleck Member Posts: 114
    I would say that the price difference for steel wheels is a valid place to cut costs. You might say its just like the prop rod, and personally I would never buy steels, but different wheels don't require a design change to a vehicle. They bolt onto the car the same way as alloys.

    No matter how much cheaper prop rods are, some well-paid engineer spent hours spec'ing the parts and creating/modifying the manufacturing design to allow for prop rods AND gas struts. They probably sent some intern to find a source on steel wheels that would fit in place of the alloys.

    Plus, the plastic wheel cover seems to be a lot more resilient to brake dust than alloys. I'll admit that a prop rod not wearing out is probably a better reason...
  • dpounddpound Member Posts: 4
    spleck has some really good points in #8414.
  • 2003corolla2003corolla Member Posts: 25
    I am close to purchasing an LX 2003 Accord. The VIN # starts with a 3. The sticker says final assembly in El Salto Jalisco Mexico. Does anyone have a Mexico built Accord? Any problems etc? I read somewhere that this plant does not build too many of the Accords.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    The EX 4 cylinder wheels are nice. I'm also not too high on the V6 wheels. If you dislike the hubcaps then when you buy the car you can try and negotiate them swapping them out for some EX wheels.

    There is more of a difference between a Pinto and the Accord than there is between gas struts and the prop rod. You drive your car everyday therefore you will have way more opportunities to appreciate the Accord's superiority over a Pinto. Most people don't open their hood everyday and if they do then that's all the more reason to go with the more durable prop rod.
  • richm4richm4 Member Posts: 169
    Many $20K GM cars offer LIT steering wheel radio controls, however a $40K Lexus doesn't offer any kind of steering wheel radio controls at all.

    I was pleasantly surprised to see the Accord offered steering wheel controls, a bonus would be if they were actually lit.
  • richm4richm4 Member Posts: 169
    Another difference is that you will arrive at your destination at 98.6 degrees versus 212 degrees. ;)
  • edmund2460edmund2460 Member Posts: 293
    They get weak as time goes on as I can attest having had a Taurus and a Sable. Would you rather have the safety of a prop or the possibility of the hood falling on your head while you check the oil?
  • cds12cds12 Member Posts: 139
    I love it!!!! ;)
  • spleckspleck Member Posts: 114
    edmund2460: I HAVE a Taurus and I wouldn't give up the gas struts.

    The originals lasted over 10 years before they started lowering in the cold. That gave me enough notice that I need to change them. I would say 10 years is pretty reliable.

    There are a lot of other things that you have to change every ten years... timing belt/chain, clutch, adjust valves... all much more expensive then struts.
  • rascalloverascallove Member Posts: 28
    Does the honda accord v6 have better handling and control over the v4?
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    "They get weak as time goes on as I can attest having had a Taurus and a Sable. Would you rather have the safety of a prop or the possibility of the hood falling on your head while you check the oil?"

    If struts were that unreliable, you'd have a much greater risk with any rear hatch while you were unloading cargo from your minivan or SUV... a hatch is typically used far more often than the hood. And if the struts on a Taurus or Sable weaken over time (no problems so far with my mom's '93 Sable), it's probably because the hood has to be raised so often to fix it.
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