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-Craig
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Dinu
come on first on all settings and then turn it off ?
When I start driving and turn on the fan, air comes on but it does not show on the screen (until I push “a/c”)
Now, another dealer about 30 miles away is advertising in the newspaper the car for $400 below invoice. Invoice is $21,787, their price is $21,399.
Is this believeable? How can the dealer sell cars for less than it costs them? I called the dealer and they do not have the color my friend wants, but said when it comes in in three weeks that is the price.
Any input would be appreciated.
In Honda's case, it's 3% of the base MSRP.
For more information:
http://edmunds.com/advice/incentives/holdback/index.html?tid=edmu- nds.a.landing.buying..5.*
When we bought my wife's '96 Accord EX, we got it for $90 below invoice.
-Craig
having said that, be careful if you ask for this money as a discount. many dealers (including my sales manager) get extremely irritated at the assumption that we are obligated to give it. for instance, there is a rule, that if a car is in inventory more than 90 days, you get NO holdback on it.
But I'd never look down on someone who buys a new Sonata. It's amazing how far Hyundai has come in a short period of time. And the Hyundai warranty is awesome.
Also, they could be not including an inflated "advertising fee" when they said "$400 under invoice" that would bring the price back up to what the other dealers quoted you.
I am in the process of purchasing the same exact vehicle, and I have received written quotes for the vehicle at and slightly below invoice. To date, the lowest price is $21,595, which is $193 below invoice.
If you haven't done so, you may want to look at the "How much did you pay" thread on this site. It seems that most people are paying invoice plus or minus about $200. A few people have reported getting $500 to $1,500 below invoice, but it's always hard to know how accurate this is.
I did speak with a salesman over the phone who said he could almost guarantee me $500 to $600 under invoice. But, I have to go down, present an offer, and so on. I'm busy with work now, and don't want to go through process just to save a few hundred dollars, so I'm going to pay $21,595, which was from the local dealer that I want to deal with anyway.
Good luck on you purchase.
Best Wishes,
Bob Anderson
Same dealer tried to sell me my wife's 03 the previous month at $9k above invoice !
Dealers are getting a backlash from the wisened buyers, and guess who started this "price battle" in the first place ?
spleck - I know. When I was shopping for my RAV4, I let the dealer do all the talking and then he established a price. Then I pulled out both papers from Edmunds and autobytel.com showing the price of the vehicle with the options (and their prices) that I wanted - there was a difference of roughly $1,000 between our two final prices...guess whose was higher?
Let's say you buy an Accord for a total of $400 a month for 5 years. You will have made a total of $24000 in payments.
Let's then say you bought a Sonata for $350 a month for 5 years. You wull have made a total of $21,000 in payments.
So the Sonata is $3000 cheaper right? Wrong. A 98 Sonata GLS (auto, roof, ABS) with 60,000 miles in good condition has a trade value of $4375. A 98 Accord EX automatic with 60,000 miles in good condition is worth $8,185. So the Accord has gained that $3,000 + another $800.
So what's the incentive to buy a Hyundai when the Accord offers way more in terms of features, refinement, efficiency, and safety?
Some may argue that a used Lexus may be better than a new Sonata, but I personally cherish the new car owner experience.
Dinu
dinu: As much as I disliked the 2.0L in the Protege I would have to agree with you.
It is just "nicer" to have a new car with a good warranty rather than either buying the extended warranty on a used car or taking your chances because of the reliability reputation of Hondas.
Now if they were to say they bought the Sonata cause they felt it was better than the Accord...all gloves are off!!
What if someone would say the 6 is better? Is the 6 more accepted, or also looked-down upon as the Sonata is for Honda fans? I don't wanna start an argument. I'm just trying to understand Honda owners' views of other cars.
Dinu
Dinu...I usually stream www.deephouse.net while I browse Edmunds. Very nice.
Oh, I'm so scared to get a sales manager irritated.. hahaha..... how many times has a sales manager irritated a customer by doing something dishonest... haha...
When a car is on the lot for more than 90 days, true the holdback might have been used up in the lot financing but dealers are willing to give you more of a discount because they want that model out of there. There's a reason that it's on the lot for 90 days and you will get the holdback anyway or get a better deal. So don't listen to the BS rule about not giving a holdback on an older car. The car business has no rules, or rules that they follow, only rules that they want the customer to follow.
For everyone, you should still consider that the holdback is 3%, bowke28 might be telling the truth but since he's a car salesman, I take it with a grain of salt. I bought my car at a small honda dealership and when I mentioned the holdback at 3%, they agreed that it was 3%, I would think if it was less they would say something just to have a better bargaining position, instead they just said it was 3%.
Alex
I'm not going to answer your question regarding the Mazda6. Though you don't want to start an argument, it's just going to lead us in that direction.
As for the 6, I don't want an argument either. I just wanted to know the honest perception of Accord owners in regards to teh 6, that was all.
Dinu
The 6 is a nice car that just appeals to a different type of person. I would say the comparison of the Accord and the 6 is much like the comparison between the Camry and the Accord. One is sportier while one is more luxury-oriented. The 6 is now on the sportier side of the spectrum, the Camry is on the luxury side of the spectrum, and then you have the Accord in the middle.
Accord:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/02/automobiles/02AUTO.html
I had a 1987 Accord LXi I loved. My wife wanted more space for our three boys so I got an 1999 Odyssey. Now she loves Honda too.
1. CD player has trouble reading some CDs that played great in old car and in home system. Will take in for check out but not wild about having them tear apart the dash to change out player.
2. Cruise control fails to re-engage sometimes after braking. I found that by putting my foot under the brake pedal and pulling out slightly this cures the problem. Probably just needs simple adjustment of brake pedal sensor.
3. Driver's door sometimes fails to close with normal effort - have to reclose almost slamming it. Probably needs door adjustment.
Not really complaining here just wondering if anyone else has seen these problems. Also wondering if my car was built close to Christmas holiday by distracted or hungover work force??
1) Hard-closing front passenger door which the dealer fixed easily.
2) Audio system has no CD-reading problem but does emit a very low but audible "mosquito-like" noise between CD tracks and during quiet passages. Will ask dealer to check next chance.
3) Creaking noises from top part of driver's window and driver's side dashboard. Inspected but not corrected by dealer. "Car's aerodynamics" was cited as reason for window noise but found that lowering window a tad stops the noise (apparently, top glass edge grates against window channel).
Cruise control works ok; yours looks like an isolated case just needing adjustment as you said.
New model bugs...
I'm trying to decide between a 4-cyliner EX-L and an EX-V6. It is my understanding that the EX-V6 has the following features that the EX-L does not:
* Side-curtain air bags.
* Struts that keep the hood open rather than a prop-rod.
* Built-in garage door opener.
* Power passenger side seat.
* Different rims.
It is also my understanding that the V-6 requires an oil change every 7500 miles, while the EX-L only requires an oil change every 10,000 miles.
Is any of the above incorrect and did I miss any differences.
Thanks for the help.
Bob Anderson
I'll buy my car with the company where the profit stays in USA.
Let's be honest that a foreign label doesn't make it better. Check the Civic board...
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
What about the Civic board. What about the Cavalier board, the (insert GM model here) board. Let's not even talk about the Focus. The foreign label doesn't make it better, the fact that they have been rated best by unbiased scrutiny does.
The reason Honda doesn't do a manual sport sedan is that there is a small market for it. Nissan does it with the Maxima and a very small number of them are sold as manuals. It's very easy to see why they don't when they have the factories maxed at capacity building the ones that sell. They simply don't have to. I mean Subaru has been making a 4WD sport sedan for years and they sell very few of them optioned that way.
Go to Hondacars.com and run it and you will see see that it lists the suspension as "Double Wishbone" if you list it as "Your Car" and merely as "independent" suspension if you list it as the competing car you are comparing to.
The V6 has a timing belt change at 60K 4 has a timing chain.
V6 trunk lid is lined EXL 4 is not.
Neither car has Fog lights or side turn marker lights which many of its competitors do.