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I am not crazy about the styling although the front end has grown on me, but having looked at a top-line 4-cyl with alloys, leather, and woodgrain in Redondo Red with ivory leather it seemed like a tremendously appealing package - if the performance was acceptable.
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Wow, there's no way that'd work for me! You really get no less than 60,000 miles out of a set? Do all Accord owners drive this conservatively?
The 5-speed auto tranny has a lot to do with this car's responsiveness, as it shifts very quickly when you step on the gas. Having driven manuals before, in my view it's the next best thing to a manual.
Just came back from an 1800 mile round trip to New York; on the highway it'll pass energetically enough that you'll cut back sooner than desired.
The V6, which I also tested, is expectedly quieter and more instantaneous in response but costs about US$2k more.
If you'll be the primary occupant of the car and won't be going on occasional 4-occupant & their baggage trips with steep highway grades, the 4 is just right.
I am looking for a used 2000 or 2001 Accord - a 2 or 3 year old car. I considered the LX, SE and VP trims. I know that Accords are (usually) reliable, but I am wondering whether these years represent a good buy. Also, are Edmunds' dealer TMV prices for those (about 13k for a 2001 LX, 11.5k for 2000 LX) in the ballpark?
BTW, I would not mind paying a close-to-dealer price when buying from a private owner with maintenance records, but in Minneapolis/St. Paul where I live few 2-3 year old cars are sold privately - most are advertised by dealers.
I think you misunderstood. He is talking about rotating the tires, not replacing them. Rotating every 15k miles helps to extend the life of the tire. You would have to be laying a lot of rubber on the street to need to replace tires every 15k.
inventory. I am looking for a bargain price on
new old models.
Thanks
Usually the tire manufacturer's chain of stores will rotate the tires free even if the dealer won't.
I have been to Honda dealers that would rotate the tires free if you were having an oil change or some other service where the car would be raised anyway and other to dealers that still charged extra for the tire rotation no matter what.
Tires should be rotated no more than every 10k miles (preferably less), or does Honda recommend 15k intervals to go with their 10k oil changes?
My rule is that the tires get rotated when the oil filter gets changed. That's every 6-7000 miles. For you Accord owners with the super clean engines, formula would work out to 20k miles- maybe that's the confusion.
Sorry for the oodles of sarcasm
Yes, I know VP is the updgraded DX, just as the SE is the upgraded LX. LX is probably a better value for the money, but since I am buying used, I am willing to consider a VP since:
- this will be my wife's car, and she does not care much about performance (wanted a minivan)
- the engine in the VP is weaker (135 vs. 150 hp) since it is a non-VTEC, though it has the same 2.3l displacement. Because the non-VTEC engine is simpler, it actually may be cheaper to work on and may last longer. Correct me here if I am wrong.
- Manual windows are inconvenient, but, again, the price on a VP *may* be 2-2.5k lower than a similarly aged- and miled LX.
What are everybody's opinions of fair dealer/private party 2000-2001 Accord prices in the Midwest (I am in Minneapolis/ St. Paul)? Edmunds TMVs have been accurate for me in the past, but I noticed that Edmunds had higher TMVs on 2000 SE's than EX's and LX-V6's - this certainly seems wrong.
Accord4Her
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Judy
"leather vs. cloth seats- which do you prefer and why?"
and
"Leather seats: Useful option or a ripoff"
but as maxamillion1 points out, the extra equipment with the leather package is also a drawing card.
ab348: This is the first time I realized that Canadians have different color choices that Americans. I had a tough time deciding on color. I wanted the silver exterior, but not the black interior. Just out of curiosity, what color interiors are in the silver and "gold" (Desert Mist) cars in Canada?
Nighthawk Black Pearl/black
Satin Silver Metallic/black
Desert Mist Metallic/ivory
Graphite Pearl/black
Redondo Red Pearl/ivory
Eternal Blue Pearl/black
I think the blue exterior would look great with the ivory leather, but it's not offered. And you can't get a blue EX-L anyway. Since the red is exclusive to that model I would go for it.
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
Modern synthetic fabrics can outlast the car if treated reasonably, and can be resurrected fairly well from even what used to be considered "impossible" stains. Fabrics are natural breathers, though, so is leather to a surprising degree. Leather is, in the end, cow skin - complete with pores. Vinyl, of course, is the ultimate bad boy for hot and cold weather seating comfort. Vinyl will eventually crack from heat and air pollution despite slathering Armorall or similar products on it for the simple reason that, except for several microns, vinyl is not absorbant. Leather, while not extroaordinarly difficult to maintain, does require formal care several times a year to prevent loss of resiliency and cracking. There are some excellent leather care products from Lexol and Zymol. However, one of the biggest leather suppliers worldwide, Eagle Ottawa*, in Wisconsin, has a very reasonably priced line of leather care products: "Tanner's Preserve Leather Conditioning Cream" and "Tanner's Preserve Leather Cleaner". Both are available at WalMart for $4.88 U.S., each. The cleaner will effectively remove ink stains (normally a bear on leather). The conditioning cream restores leather's yummy suppleness and imparts a natural leather aroma. This isn't too surprising since Eagle Ottawa states that their conditioning cream uses some of the same emollients they use during the tanning process. My car came with fabric - and a very comfortable one at that. However, my dealer offered to have an upholsterer he contracts with do a complete leather install, mimicking the factory stitching and pattern, door panel inserts, and front and rear headrests for $1,120.00 U.S. including taxes. This upholsterer even went to the trouble to prepare the front seat back covers to "give" appropriately in the event the seat-mounted side air bags ever deploy in an accident. From a practical standpoint, there's NO way I could justify this indulgence. Fortunately, in rare instances I'm not practical... I haven't regretted the decision. I made it a point to apply the conditioning cream as soon as I got the car home after installation. It left no slick or sticky residue, and the surface texture is noticeably more supple than prior to the application. By the way, I don't work for WalMart or Eagle Ottawa.
*As an aside, Eagle Ottawa does not list the automakers to whom they supply hides, but they did indicate on their website that they received an award in 2002 from Toyota for quality consistency. Though based in Wisconsin, they have facilities in about a half dozen countries. That disclosure seems to indicate that Toyota is one of their customers for at least some of their car divisions.
Maybe it will not be available until later this year or they may have decided to just wait until the 2004 models, when XM will be installed at the factory instead of at the dealership.
door/window. hard to localize. silicon lubed door seals, window track,
etc. no real help. anyone else noticing this? any thoughts?
i only hear the noise at speeds above 40. it is very hard to localize
because if i move my head 6inches or so away from normal driving
position (in any direction) it is difficult to hear. also the tone and
strength of the wind noise can fluctuate if i am in varying degrees of
crosswind relative to the car's motion.
After a long trip, noise is gone, suggesting that the glass likely smoothened out its mating surfaces. Lubricating the glass' top edge should have the same effect.
Judy
Is this a standard feature of this car? My Lexus idles so smoothly that I found the vibration in the EX's steering wheel to be a little annoying. I drove a Mazda 6 4cyl Auto and it didn't do this.
cd player
5-sp. auto
2.4l i-vtec
power windows
tilt/telescope
abs
you lose:
cruise
keyless entry
add to that you can choose whatever color you want, and not take a chance on someone else's lack of maintenance.
How many kms/tank are you getting? Highway/City ratio?
Also, has anyone in BC been able to negotiate a discount? I was offered $1000 off sticker. Good deal? Thanks in advance
Kevin
dx was there last week at 15199 for 5-sp, and 15999 for auto (air included)
Also, depending where you live dictates the type of deal you will get. For example, in Toronto there are 10+ dealers from every manufacturer, so you can always set a day aside and go talk price with 5 dealers of so. You will find that just by going in different showrooms you will save yourself $1000 off MSRP.
Now in certain parts of Toronto where the population only buys Honda/Toyota (and Acura/Lexus, BMW and MB), you will NOT get a good deal b/c they have plenty of other people willing to pay MSRP just b/c of demand in that particular area. Go 25kms west and things change dramatically...
Mileage should be ok - i's not like you're buying a gas pig (aka: truck).
And now the usual comments from a Mazda fan: You should also check out the Mazda6 if you value a fun to drive car.
Dinu
~alpha
~alpha
The Mazda6 automatics work totally against everything Mazda is trying to promote. Even in 6 cylinder auto form it's a disappointment when viewed in context with its handling.
We are in agreement about the 6's lack of low end though. But it wouldn't be as bad if it had the extra cog to help multiply the torque from the standstill.
Accord: 27,449
Mazda6: 2,254
Customers in this segment want the whole package. That is where the Accord excels. Besides, looks are highly subjective.
carguy- I wish I could consider myself a hardened enthusiast, but alas, I drive autos myself, and you are right-most are fine. However, I'm just not a champion of 5sp autos vs. 4 speed boxes. I thought Honda's 4sp was great, and I think the 5sp is great. Cross shopping vehicles in this class, the 5sp is not a selling point for me. Toyota and Nissan both make very responsive 4 speeds and Toyota's 2.4L 4/auto 4 gets only 1 mpg less city/hwy. To me, not a big deal.
My point with the 6 concerned its engine especially the 4cylinder, which I feel is a bad match for any auto. I dont think a 5sp auto box would make much difference off the line, which is where I felt the 6 to be weakest.
~alpha
this midatlantic blizzard has me a bit stir crazy, sorry for ranting!