Older Honda Accords

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  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
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  • mcgirl0730mcgirl0730 Member Posts: 78
    Do the Accord's doors lock by themselves 10 seconds after the driver gets out? Because the Camry's doors do.
  • sapparosapparo Member Posts: 68
    Wanted to ask I just saw a new Accord with a special edition badge on the back is this a limited build model, it had black perforated leather and all the wood trim looked real sharp with the smaller lip spoiler and aftermarket wheels? This is the first Accord with the S.E. badge I saw.
  • whitecloud1whitecloud1 Member Posts: 268
    My '03 Accord Coupe does not do that.
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    my 03 sedan EX-V6 does not auto lock.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    The Camry's doors lock 10 seconds after the driver gets out? Regardless of whether the lock button is pushed or not?
  • mcgirl0730mcgirl0730 Member Posts: 78
    The Camry's doors lock by themselves after 10 seconds even if you don't push the lock button. I think it's both good and bad. Good if you walk away and forget to hit the button and bad if you leave the keys on the passenger seat (like I did one time) and forget to grab them.
  • mcgirl0730mcgirl0730 Member Posts: 78
    If you hit the unlock button and you don't get in the car, the doors will lock after 10 seconds. I found this out when one time I was ready to get in my car and I had hit the unlock button, my co-worker caught up with me and we started talking. The doors locked after a few seconds.
  • chucko3chucko3 Member Posts: 793
    I believe it's 30 seconds after you hit the unlock button and don't get in, not 10.
  • zitchzitch Member Posts: 55
    That's one of the major things that turned me off of the Camry, and my girlfriend's mother locked her keys in her car (she put in on the passenger seat and closed the door) once because of that feature. It's a good feature if you're prone to not lock your car while driving (the doors auto-lock when the Camry is put into drive) or getting out the car, but getting your keys locked in the car outweighs those advantages. I am very glad the Accord doesn't do this. Then again, I always have my keys with me if its not in the ignition. It's a habit of mine from my 94 Accord that required you to lock the driver's door with the door closed. It all but guaranteed that the key is in your hand or you were inside of the car when you lock the driver's door... :)

    Now the 2003+ Accord does auto-lock about 15 (??) seconds after you hit the unlock button and don't open any door. It can be annoying sometimes (like when I shop, I'll unlock the doors, open the trunk, load groceries in trunk, go to the door expecting it unlocked), but it doesn't have the risk of locking your keys in the car.
  • blackexv6blackexv6 Member Posts: 503
    Tell you girlfriend's mother to look in the owners manual. The XLE Camry has several (at least 4 combinations) door auto-lock settings including no auto-locks at all.

    Nice feature that Accord lacks.

    I personally like the doors to lock automatically when I shift from park to drive.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    Auto-lock doors are not relevant for me either way. It is irritating at times if I have one of my other cars running and want to get something out of my Accord, Odyssey, or Civic and they lock back before I can press unlock on my key which is in the car that's running and run over to the car I want to get something out of. Small aggravation that is more or less my fault for not getting what I want before I start the other car or just turning the running car off while I grab what I need.

    If I am understanding you correctly though mcgirl the doors lock when you get out and are walking away from the car whether you push lock or not. This seems like it would be a great way to lock your keys in the car.
  • breckcobreckco Member Posts: 62
    I have a 2004 EX-L 4 cyl with just under 2k miles. I believe in changing oil frequently (especially a new motor). The owners manual says to not change the oil before the recommended interval. Does Honda use break-in oil? I've asked service advisors and managers but don't get a consistent answer.
  • stacey_burkestacey_burke Member Posts: 88
    I thought I would say what happened to me last week. My wife and I came out of the appartment together and I pushed the unlock 2 times. The windows rolled down and then my wife aked me to go in and get something out of the house that we forgot. While I went back to upstairs, the car locked itself and my wife got tired of standing outside of the car and reached inside and pulled up the lock. The alarm went off and kept going off until I got back downstairs and pushed the unlock button again. This was about 6am and we woke up a lot of people before I could shut off the alarm.

    Interesting how different systems work.
  • lmacmillmacmil Member Posts: 1,758
    You can't go wrong following the owner's manual instructions. I believe I read in this forum a while back that Honda does use a special oil when filling the engines at the factory.
  • mcgirl0730mcgirl0730 Member Posts: 78
    I know I'm more likely to get locked out of the car if I'm not careful. That's why when I was wiping the outside, I made sure that I had the keys on me or on top of the trunk.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,700
    Can't the locking system be set to a setting where it doesn't auto lock you out of the car?

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • mcgirl0730mcgirl0730 Member Posts: 78
    I think there's a way. Somebody on this board said there are like 7 settings. I'm going to ask the dealership. It will really suck if I'm at school and I lock myself out.
  • gregoryc1gregoryc1 Member Posts: 764
    I change the oil and filter every 3,000 miles. The selling dealer does all my service. The dealer recommends oil and filter changes every 3,750 miles. My 2003 4 cylinder Accord has almost 34,000 miles on the clock. The crankcase is as clean today, as why I picked up the vehicle. It does not use any oil between oil and filter changes.
    My wife has a 2004 Honda Civic. It now has about 5,000 miles on the clock. It also gets oil and filter changes every 3,000 miles.
    REMEMBER: ----A clean engine is a "Happy Engine"! ----Oil and filters are cheap! ---Engines are expensive!
  • murray53murray53 Member Posts: 71
    I changed the oil in my Camry every 4 months (which was probably about 3,000 miles) and it didn't burn any oil even after 139,000 miles when I traded it in today. I'll probably do something similar with the Accord. As the guy in the Fram commercial said, "you can pay me now or pay me later". Don't skimp on oil and filter changes (along with the other fluids) and you will be rewarded in the long run. With the cost of repairs and new cars these days it's the cheapest insurance you can buy.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    and chamged my oil at 7500 intervals. Never an oil related issue even in cars I've driven to close to 200,000 miles. In fact, I don't recall ever seeing a post in any Edmunds Honda forum about extended oil changes damaging an engine.

    I'm changing the oil in my Accord and Civic between 8500 and 10,000 miles just like they ask.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,700
    Do you mean that you've driven a particular car up near 200,000 miles before trading?

    That's very possible. You live in a warm climate and drive the car a long enough distance/time on a majority of its trips to let the engine purge condensates from the oil.

    If I recall you're in the Greater Atlanta area. Fairly moderate through the winter, compared to ugly Ohio cold where the engines are collecting waste products and the oil's not getting hot and evaporating some of those contaminants.

    If my descriptions are right, you're the ideal candidate for extended not severe change mileage. You probably get it changed when 7500 rolls around. You don't run over. Others might think running up to 8500 or 9000 is okay until they get time.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    But you are right though. I DRIVE my cars. I don't live IN Atnalta though. I'm NW of it in the far out suburbs. It's a 30 minute drive to Wal-Mart.

    You are right though. It has been a while since I have kept a car that long. But I have done it before. My 03 Civic SI just turned 20K though. 2nd oil change at 18K. No problems.

    My mom's 93 Accord has 150k though. Runs like a top with minimal maintenance. And her 87 Camry ran to 263K before everyhing else on it starting breaking. Still runs though. Just not safe to drive. She refuses to sell it to a junk yard.
  • gregoryc1gregoryc1 Member Posts: 764
    You are 100% correct in your preventive maintenance program.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    not to change the oil until the interval I would change the break in oil at 2000 miles too. But they tell you not to change the oil. They must have some reason. If you think you know your car better than Honda, why don't you just design and engineer your own.
  • zitchzitch Member Posts: 55
    I'll have to remember to tell her that. I don't believe she has the XLE Camry through, I think it's just an LE though, but I would be very surprised if it doesn't have the same auto-lock settings. Plus she locked her keys in the car only when she first got the Camry. Now, she's careful about that.

    Unfortunately, she's planning on trading in the Camry when she get ahead on payments. Though the reason I beleive is dealer issues, because the car itself seems fine. She is the standard "get a car to get places" type of person, and bought a Toyota to minimize problems. Unfortunately, as I and other people have said before, a bad dealer and service station can sour any car for a person.

    Now I have a comment about tires, at 1 year and 30,000 miles, my tires seem to look and grip as well as new. I'm not sure about any change in noise, but they've always been noisy. It looks like they will last past 40,000 miles before I have to look for new tires. The are the standard Michelins MXV4 Plus OEM tires, and I have no complaints about them at all. I am a pretty lead-footed driver, but I tend to avoid wheel spins and skids. I also maintain about 3-4 PSI above the recommended pressure because I like the extra "feel of the road" I get from that. How long are they lasting for some of you people before needing the change them?

    I guess I'll be looking for summer touring tires if I replace them. I do alot of driving on highways, and I live in South Louisiana so I have almost no need to snow performance... ;) Now it does get muddy down here, but not on the roads... usually. What are some of the replacement tires you've been using?
  • mcgirl0730mcgirl0730 Member Posts: 78
    I drove the Camry on the freeway today and there were 3 other people in my car. And I felt the car didn't have enough pull. It's supposed to be a V6 and it has 210 horsepower, but it doesn't pick up speed as good. Is it the same way with the Accord?
  • whitecloud1whitecloud1 Member Posts: 268
    I hope that you've driven that car a few times. That is sometimes the only way to make a judgement about acceleration. I know that some people have a lighter foot than others. Some cars need more of a signal than others. My V6 Accord with a light press will give you light accel. but with a more firm push, it will scat.
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    A friend of mine has a 1998 Accord LX 4 cyl. that has Michelin Energy MXV4 tires--I think the same as what's on the 2003 and'04 Accords.

    His car has about 68,000 miles on it and the original tires are still good. He drives conservatively and rotates tires as suggested for long tire life......Richard
  • mcgirl0730mcgirl0730 Member Posts: 78
    I drive it to work everyday and I take the freeway. But I guess when there's more people, it doesn't have as much pull. I should have done a good research on both the Camry and the Accord before I bought this. And I don't want to trade it in because I will lose a lot of money.
  • zitchzitch Member Posts: 55
    richards38: Thanks for the info. So it is possible that I've shortened the life of my tires. Oh well, I'll have fun doing so in the meantime... ;)

    I'm still open to suggestions of new tires though.

    mcgirl0730: That will happen in any car, really. You're probably adding between 300 to 600 pounds to the car's weight when you add 3 more people. That will affect the acceleration of any vehicle pretty significantly, unless it has a 300+ HP engine.. ;)

    You're probably not going to get a big difference in the Accord in this matter. I know my I4 Accord gives alot of pickup and go with me by myself, but is pretty sluggish with 4-5 people in it. I could have gone with the V6 if I did drive a full load of passengers around, but usually, I'm just driving myself.

    You really should take this to the Accord vs. Camry discussion if you want to talk about this further.

    <edited because I was incorrect about the Camry's V6 stats>
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Hey folks, zitch is right - we have a perfect place for this comparison: Honda Accord vs. Toyota Camry. It's time to wind this up here and move it to the right discussion.

    Thanks!
  • mcgirl0730mcgirl0730 Member Posts: 78
    Thanks for the info. The reason I posted on this board is because it gets the most responses. Thanks again! I guess my Camry is fine then :)
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    mcgirl, the Accord vs. Camry discussion can be quite active when questions such as yours are raised. I hope you will post other questions there so that we can continue to help you think this through.

    :)
  • elmusico1986elmusico1986 Member Posts: 1
    Does anyone know if an 88 honda accord transmission would fit an 86 accord?
  • gregoryc1gregoryc1 Member Posts: 764
    Not a bad idea! Many great automotive ideas came out of the "drag racing" group of mechanics. Just because a person has a college degree in Automotive / Mechanical Engineering doesn't mean that they know it all! Many lack "hands on experience" repairing vehicles. There is still uncharted territory in this field. I am not impressed with any Automotive Engineer that advocates oil and filter changes at 10,000 miles. That might work in controlled laboratory testing, but it will not work in the real world of daily automotive operation. It is a "pipe dream" and a marketing tool.
  • simonsez5simonsez5 Member Posts: 21
    Well, finally after months of lurking around Edmunds forums, I purchased a 2005 Accord DX. I expect delivery early next week. I went from Mazda6 to Camry to Legacy but in the end it appeared that the popular Honda had the whole package I was looking for.

    I do want to thank all the regulars and experts on this board who helped me in making my decision.

    Since we're expecting our first child next year, we needed a vehicle that would make it easier for travelling around with a baby and I'm not ready for a Minivan, I'm also buying a house soon so our budget was tight and I had to go for the DX and being that it's an 05, I think I did ok with the negotiating. The DX we get here in Canada is fairly loaded compared to the American model so I won't complain although there are a few items that would of been nice to have but I can live without.

    The likes of the car: I find the interior top notch (even in DX form), roomy and comfortable. The DX now comes with side and curtain airbags this year so that&#146;s a plus. Equipped with the manual tranny, I have to admit that I do love that 4 cylinder engine, it never seems to miss a beat, it's great on gas and the 5 speed is soooo sweet!! Typical Honda!! Handling, although not Mazda6ish, is predictable and sporty. A new set of rubber (which I&#146;m planning on getting next spring) will improve that even more. Also, for the 05 model line, Honda is finally including 3 years of Roadside Assistance, kinda late to the game but they were one of the few manufacturers not offering this.

    The dislikes: Wish it had 60/40 rear seat split instead of full fold down, the styling of the rear end has been revised on the 05s but I&#146;m still not a big fan of it. Those steel rims and hubcaps!!! Fugly!! will get some nice alloys down the road, figure I&#146;ll keep these for now since winter is coming.

    One thing that does scare me, from reading this board on a daily basis, is the number of complaints people have about transmissions, rattles, brakes etc.... I just hope that I won't have any of these issues on mine!!

    Can't wait for next week.....
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    to boil water. We are talking about oil changes here. In a normally aspirated engine built by a company that claims to be a "engine company that happens to build cars". I'd place a lot of credence in what they say.

    Marketing also says you get class leading gas mileage, class leading safety, class leading space, and class leading performance. Why pick and choose what you are going to believe. If you don't believe the basic fundamentals of the owners manual, why purchase that car?
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    Congrats on your new car. We have a 5-speed 04 Accord and the engine/transmission combo is incredible. FWIW: We have had no brake problems, rattles, or tranny problems on our prior 03 EX-L 5-speed coupe or the 04 EX-L sedan automatic. Honda manual transmissions are some of the best on the market.
  • rmd122rmd122 Member Posts: 21
    I have a 01 LX 4cyl Accord with 45K on the OEM Michelins and they need replacement. I haven't had any problems with them and 40-45K seems to be average life for these tires.

    I am looking for new tires and open to all ideas. I am in Florida-no snow but lots of rain. Wet traction is a priority.

    The tire shop I use (12+ years) is pushing Cooper SLE Touring tires but I can't find any reviews of them.

    Also considering:
    Michelin Hydroedge
    Kumho Ecsta HP4716
    Goodrich Traction TA
    Goodyear Assurance
    Bridgestone Turanza LSH

    Ideas, comments appreciated.
  • lmacmillmacmil Member Posts: 1,758
    Check the Tirerack site for consumer ratings. I think Consumer Reports tests tires every November so if you can wait a couple more weeks, that issue should be out. If not, check last year's issue at your local library.
  • gregoryc1gregoryc1 Member Posts: 764
    You received great use out of the tires that came with the car. Why not keep the same brand of tires? I would not put Firestone / Bridgestone (a Firestone product) on any of my vehicles. My wife's 2004 Honda Civic came with Firestone tires. The dealer switched the tires to Michelin as part of the deal. (Remember the Ford Explorer deal & Firestone tires). Yes, you can bad tires from any manufacturer, but Firestone and Ford have a bad track record.
  • gregoryc1gregoryc1 Member Posts: 764
    When a manufacturer puts the phrase "NEW AND IMPROVED" on a product, ---what does that mean? To the reader it could mean anything! Changing oil and filters at 10,000 miles might work under VERY ideal conditions with synthetic oil. The average driver barely remembers to check the oil once a week. Do you think that they will remember to change the oil every 10,000 miles? A 3,000 miles / 3 month schedule insures that the vehicle will receive an acceptable amount of service throughout the year. If the owner goes over 3,000 miles occasionally, that is "ok", because there is room in the schedule. My dealer recommends 3,750 oil and filter change intervals, not 5,000 or 10,000 mile intervals. This recommendation insures that his customers give their vehicles some basic service throughout the year, which translates into good running engines. At $21.00 + tax for this service, I doubt that it will break the bank, and the dealer is not making a lot of money recommending this service. He is looking out for the welfare of his customers. Good running vehicles sell additional vehicles. People talk to one another!
  • atlantabennyatlantabenny Member Posts: 735
    Best value appears to be the Kumho based on tirerack.com data. Michelin, Bridgestone, and others are premium-priced largely because of their brand strength imo. Cooper SLE has very good reviews, including those of enthusiasts, and is priced pretty reasonably - between the Kumho and Bridgestone. The Bridgestone LSH has slightly higher tirelife and better wet traction than the Kumho, but costs 2x more than the Kumho.

    Personally, OEM Michelins that have equipped our Hondas have performed extremely well based on our driving style and conditions (no hard cornering/braking, 75 mph average highway speed, Georgia's flash rains, etc.) but their cost/benefit is just isn't there as replacements. Experience has me avoiding Continental (noisy & weak sidewall) and Kauffman Tire's Mastercraft (overnight flatspotting).

    I'd suggest doing a thorough tirerack research and having Costco/Sam's install for $50 to optimize your purchase, but if you need to take one of your store's offerings, it'd be the Kumho.
  • atlantabennyatlantabenny Member Posts: 735
    "...the dealer is not making a lot of money recommending this service. He is looking out for the welfare of his customers."

    With all due respect to you and your statement, I'd have to put in a dissenting word about a dealer's intent in promoting frequent oil change.

    First, it increases customer traffic for upsell opportunities. Second, you get on their mailing list for future solicitation. Third, it causes unsuspecting consumers to buy other maintenance and repair services before they're due (let alone outright "oops" and fraudulent repairs).

    Certainly dealers deserve to make money, but to believe they want us to do 3k mile oil changes because "they care" is unfortunately unrealistic.

    If I were to advise a friend about car maintenance, I'd say - be knowledgable about factory recommendations and - if desired - temper with a "comfort factor," which is probably midpoint from factory and dealer.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    Ditto
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    With all due respect, everyone here is very familiar with gregoryc1's views on oil changes and many of us view the subject differently than he does. We've been on this merry-go-round so many times that we're probably all very dizzy over this subject - I know I am. :)

    Let's agree that oil changes are necessary and the schedule upon which they need to be done is a decision we all need to make for ourselves. And let's remember that there are entire discussions devoted to oil changes and other necessary maintenance issues on the very aptly named Maintenance and Repair board where really in-depth examination of oil-change theories would be far more appropriate than in this discussion.

    And let's not continue to go over and over and over the same oily (slippery!) ground here.

    Anyone who is new here can find lots of previous posts on this subject by using the "Search This Discussion" feature on the page bar. There really isn't any reason to keep reposting the same material over and over.

    Thanks.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Member Posts: 2,363
    I was about to make the same points. Thanks. This is old ground, and nobody's mind gets changed by plowing it again...
  • gregoryc1gregoryc1 Member Posts: 764
    Purchasing additional service is up to the customer!
  • murray53murray53 Member Posts: 71
    It seems that these are better tires than most manufacturers put on their cars. I have seen them on some high end cars such as Mercedes. I have the Michelins on my 2002 Accord and they seem to give a somewhat firmer ride than most others but I would expect better traction and handling. However, after today's rains I managed to spin the front tires a bit without even pressing hard on the accelerator. I guess with more horsepower than my previous car (Camry) and possibly more aggressive gearing than on Toyotas it's something I will have to be aware of in inclement weather.
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