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If they still refuse to cooperate, I'd demand that the service manager show you the TSB and point out where it says that they can simply do nothing based on the inspection of the rotor. As I said, I've read the TSB and there is no such provision, so he won't be able to back his position.
Could someone please let me know what size drill bit they used for their installation?
Thanks in advance.
This seems like a nice no-haggle approach to getting a good deal. Order over the web then show up when they contact you and get a honda part dealer installed.
What have others paid for the deck lid for the Gen 7?
Generally speaking, you should leave the car in Drive--it will shift through all the gears (1st through 5th). D3 is used if you need to keep out of overdrive (towing a trailer). Second gear is used if you are going down a steep hill or if you need additional traction in inclement weather (of course the V-6 models have traction control, so you probably don't have to worry about it). First gear is used if you are going up or down a very steep hill.
I like the OEM Michelins but I had a set of Bridgestone Turanzas on my 97 RAV4 that were great. Made the car handle much better than the stock Duelers.
I eventually threw them out and installed Bridgestone Turanza LSH series. The car rides smoothly, is quieter and no longer pulls to the left. Get the Bridgestones.
I would say that the Turanza LS series is a little more performance oriented than the Michelin Energys. They provide better handling but also have a slightly stiffer ride than the Michelins.
Bought mine thru Tirerack for quite a bit less than the OEM Michelins. I would definitely buy the LS series again.
We got Potenza RE950 tires for our son's Nissan Altima, and they seemed to work very well. The tread pattern looked fairly open, so they should do good in the rain. I thought they might be too noisy, but they were quiet enough for us.
After that, we got RE950's for our 1997 Accord and for out 1999 Accord, and we have been happy with them.
According to the Tire Rack, they were the most requested tire for an Accord. We order them from the Tire Rack.
Why does Honda never mention it? Maybe because it is a non-factor for 99.99% of Accord buyers.
I guess you are that .01% Honda is neglecting.
got my transmission recall notice yesterday.
However, I am still unhappy with the front brake noise & vibration. The dealer did everything he could including rotor resurfacing and pads. The Accord rotor design and sizing must be flawed.
I guess this problem is mine until the car dies at 200-300k miles.
The rotors on the V6 model should be larger IMO.
Lucky for all of us, the engineers have more precise methods than their eyeballs when sizing rotors.
Btw, a visual check of the pad thickness can't be compared to "eyeballing" a rotor to determine whether it's sized correctly.
For example, the TSB for front brake shudder recommends replacement of the pads. However, the dealer is not obligated to perform the repair as a "no-charge warranty item". You may have to pay for the repair as a "maintenance" item.
I told Honda that my car was repaired as instructed by the TSB-069 (no charge) and is still shuddering.
My conversation with Honda ended in frustration since the representative basically told me that there is nothing else he could do if the dealer followed the TSB and I would have to live with the vibration.
My in-law brought in her Lexus ES300 for 45K service. She forgot to mention the brake pulsation to the service dealer (even I told her "don't forget"). After a test drive, the dealer noticed the problem and replaced the front rotors & pads under the warranty free of charge.
She didn't even buy the car there.
but, you can fax a nasty letter to Honda. i did that, and talked to a case manager. she was really rude too, but after 15 minutes on the phone she understood that if they don't replace my pads and rotors, i would make sure that i made their life really difficult. so, after asking me if i knew exactly how Honda brake pedals are supposed to be pushed (can you believe that??) and getting my obvious answer, she agreed to replace pads and rotors. i am waiting until the problem gets really bad again.
anyway, write a letter and fax it referencing the TSB and tell them how its going to be. can't hurt, right? i was going to send it to the CEO's attention, but Honda doesn't give that info out! now i know why.....he/she probably doesn't want to have to hear it, haha.
and definitely, the V6 is heavier in the front, it should have more substantial front brakes than the 4 cylinder. simple math.
After 12K, I saw a long future filled with brake repairs not covered under warranty, and decided to take my chances with something else.
but your case is awful, considering they won't do any work on your car. you should AT LEAST get rotors resurfaced and new pads i would think, unless they can prove that you take your car to race tracks or something like that.
i know that lots of people swear by Honda, but from what i have heard, they have always had a reputation of arrogance. even their recall notice is worded arrogantly. it says "Honda Motor Co. has decided that a defect relating to motor vehicle safety...". they should have said "due to complaints and possibly being forced by the U.S. government...."
oh well
good luck!
You can have a bad experience with any service departmwnt just like you can have a bad experience with any car.
Agree, service depends on the dealer. But warranty repair depends on the car manufacturer.
I am surprised Lexus dealer replaced rotors & pads under warranty for a 45K mile car.
Its basic warranty is 4/48K.
Does our Honda do that or we have to beg for it?
I thought only accidents, flooded, etc, are reported.
I checked after NTB tightened mine a couple of times.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
My opinion based on owning many cars, used and new over 30 years. By the way, doesn't matter to me that you design brakes for a living, unless you're offering a discount on some beefed up brakes for the '03 Accord V6. Hold up,, don't respond. I'm moving on out of RESPECT for your opinion!
On our 99 Odyssey, with 85K miles on it now, we simply have to accept the fact that we need to replace the front brake pads every 15-20K miles. We're on our 5th set of pads, and we just had the rotors turned at 80K miles. So, I know that once a year I need to spend about $120 and get new front brake pads.
Do I accept this as part of my annual maintenance requirements. Yes. But that doesn't mean I like it, or I think that Honda shouldn't have done a better job designing these brake pads. 15-20K miles is just too low in my opinion.
Yes, brake pads are consumables - but until the braking system is designed in such a way that it's easy and inexpensive for a consumer to replace them, then I think we have every right to complain when their lifespan is much shorter than the norm.
Of course, these are just my opinions...
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There's no need for any of this conversation to get personal, folks.
For the people that have the serious problem with the brakes, it has to be a problem with the dealer service or the driver. IMHO those are the only two reasons left since the design itself is proven sound on the other millions of Hondas on the road.
The Consumer Report didn't give black mark on brake category for 86-89 models for no reasons.
So is this a driver or dealer service's problem with my 89 Accord brakes?
I don't doubt you have problems with your brakes. But that doesn't mean Honda makes cars with bad brakes. Who know what has happened with that car in this amount of time.
As far as why Consumer Reports gave the brakes bad marks. Who knows. I do know that 1990 Accords had brakes rotors that had to be machined off and on. I would give those bad marks too. Are the 1989's the same? I never owned one.
Driver/dealer? I don't know. But that generation Accord was the start of the Accord's take over of the sedan segment. Hard to build a reputation of excellent reliability if all of your highest selling model have bad brakes that need replacing every 12K miles.
where are these millions that don't have problems? they are always brought up in here, but i haven't heard from them. so, that argument is out the window. the only valid opinion of gee35's is that he says HIS/HER Honda brakes have been perfect. fine. great. wish i was him/her! but he/she is clearly in the minority. more people on here complain about brakes than don't. Edmunds own editors, C&D, Consumer Reports, Honda technicians and management staff, and hundreds of internet posters, seem to understand that a Honda with good brakes is a rarity. this whole "blame the driver" attitude isn't needed, not asked for, and totally not relevant.
that is GREAT for gee35 that he/she claims his/her cars have been perfect in that regard. but to blame the driver of the car is lame. he/she admits he/she drives hard, with no problems. so, how can it be a driver problem with the rest of us that don't drive hard? where is the sense in that? he/she drives hard, no brake problems, the rest of us drive smooth and easy, and have problems. oh, let me guess, Honda brakes are unlike any other brakes on the market, you are SUPPOSED to drive like a "bat out of Hades" for them to perform safely and correctly.
thats my opinion
they are replacing my passenger side airbag cover. it is sagging in/down, and there is concern that it might come in contact with actual bag components. lovely. at least they are not asking me if i know how to use the airbags correctly, haha. gonna do it when my recall work is done. wish it luck!