Older Honda Accords

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  • nellbecknellbeck Member Posts: 2
    I usually will go about 200 miles between a full tank and half a tank. But I can barely go another 100 miles when going from half a tank to when gauge is on "E". Does anyonw know what could be wrong?
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    nellbeck:

    Since you've double-posted, here's mine.

    You've not indicated how old your car is, or whether (if it's older) you know if any part of the fuel system may have been replaced, such as the fuel gauge, fuel tank sending unit, etc. An improper repair could cause such concerns. If it's a new car than you should consult your dealer to have them resolve the issue under warranty.

    Your best path is to calculate exactly what your fuel mileage is. After filling your tank, divide the number of gallons of fuel purchased by the number of miles driven since the last fill-up. Do this for three or four tankfulls to average out your miles per gallon (mpg).

    You can multipy your average miles per gallon by the number of gallons that your Owner's Manual states that your tank holds. That will tell you the maximum number of miles you can expect to be able to drive between fill-ups. You should also be able to estimate your range at various fuel gauge readings this way.
  • lancerfixerlancerfixer Member Posts: 1,284
    There's nothing wrong with your car. Honda fuel gauges have always been non-linear...I've owned two Acuras and an Accord now, and all three did the exact same thing, as does my parents' Accord. It's just a characteristic of the gauges.

    Blane's suggestion is a good one. I don't use the gas gauge to determine when I need to fill up, anyway: I reset the trip meter and refill every 300 miles, which gives a nice safety margin.
  • jwp333jwp333 Member Posts: 4
    Have a 2005 Accord EX V6. I can't find anything in owner's manual on way to change the air filter for the engine. I can tell where it is and I've tried to unscrew the housing but the screws don't give way. Is there a special tool required? Anything else to know?
  • jwp333jwp333 Member Posts: 4
    When I started the engine today and before I put it in drive, I heard a "whump" noise from the transmission or engine area. I think I have heard the same noise after engaging the drive and rolling away. Don't hear it any other time. Is this familiar to anyone?
  • jwp333jwp333 Member Posts: 4
    These brakes really do seem to catch too easily. Seems to have something to do with Grade Logic Control, meaning transmission seems to downshift at same time I apply brakes. Any body else get this impression?
  • jwp333jwp333 Member Posts: 4
    Have 2005 Honda Accord EXL V6 with Nighthawk Black paint. The hood paint isn't good. Already seeing water stains that don't come out in the wash. Also had some paint chips. The dealer touched up the paint chips, which really doesn't look all that great. Had to fight them to do that. Any one had success dealing with dealer on this issue? And does anyone have a home fix for the water spot stains? (Dealer calls it acid rain damage and not covered.)
  • whitecloud1whitecloud1 Member Posts: 268
    I have an '03 Accord. I've owned several cars. I don't think you have to unscrew any
    bolts at all to replace the filter. Are you sure? I will check mine again to confirm. I have not had to replace that filter yet.
  • mrbill1957mrbill1957 Member Posts: 823
    When I was shopping for my 04 Accord, the timing belt replacement for a V6 varied from $500-$700 at different Honda dealers. I didn't get into the details of trying to figure out why the $200 difference cause I ended up buying a 4 cyl (no belt)

    Mrbill
  • pbchoclovrpbchoclovr Member Posts: 11
    jwp333,
    I recently had similar problems with the paint on my 2004 Accord. There were two chips on the roof, one one each side. Car was only 6 months old. My spots were actually rusting. I took it immediately to my local dealer and was in luck. The corporate rep was in. After trying to insinuate that I caused the rust spots or that I should have identified it at pick up, he finally authorized "in good will" the repair of the rust spots. They sent my car to a local body shop and covered the rental car while mine was in the shop. No touch up paint for my car... They actually sanded and painted the spots. My car is silver in color.

    The rep told me while inspecting the rest of my car, that they had been known to see paint imperfections or bubbles on the hood or front end of the car. They actually found a bubble on the back trunk hood of mine. So it seems that this is a problem they're familiar with. Hope this helps you.
  • chucko3chucko3 Member Posts: 793
    My 89LXi runs at just above half gauge.
    And my 03EXV6 runs at 3/8 also.
    I guess the gauge has changed.
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Member Posts: 1,978
    Actually the engines now are running cooler, on purpose, to produce less emission gases, primarily Nitrous Oxide. The gauge is basically the same.
  • 03accordman03accordman Member Posts: 671
    I drive a silver 2003 accord (60k miles) with a black cloth interior. My .2:

    In NJ, the heat this summer has been bad, but there is no problem with the interior baing black. Upholstery has held up very well, no fraying etc. However, you do need to clean it, especially the dashboard which gets dust on it. Being black, dust shows up on the dash, not so much on the seats etc. I usually have to wipe the dash almost every alternate day, also depends if you live in an area that has a lot of dust.

    Looks great too.
  • slawendaslawenda Member Posts: 101
    I own a 2004 V6 Accord sedan, and my father owns the 4 cylinder. I love the power of mine compared to his, but I have noticed that his steering is much lighter than mine, while mine seems to require much more effort on my part. I actually prefer his steering--if I can have my engine and his steering I would be very happy.

    Do you guys think there could be a problem with my specific car and steering, or is this a typical difference of the 6 vs. 4 cylinder models? I might have noticed a slight difference when I test drove them both, but now that I have driven mine and my dad's a great deal (more than a simple test drive), I do notice the difference is much bigger than I previously thought. Again -- is this normal, or is it my specific car and I should therefore get it checked out? Thanks...
  • chucko3chucko3 Member Posts: 793
    Same here with my 03EXV6. At high speed, I don't mind. But when the car stops, it takes more effort comparing with my 89LXi. That makes parallel parking more difficult.
    When the car stops, does your engine make a (soft) rev'ing noise when you steer the wheel?
    An annoying noise. I asked Honda service, the service advisor said it's normal.
    He said it's the pressure on the P/S pump which causes this engine noise.
    I knew that. But it didn't do it with my 89LXi.
    I guess it's another characteristic of V6 steering.
    I will let them hear the noise when I come in for a warranty work in August.

    P.S. Since I started hearing this noise, I no longer hear the thump noise in the morning.
  • atlantabennyatlantabenny Member Posts: 735
    Your car is perfectly normal; my 03 V6 has heavier steering vs my wife's 03 I-4. The V6 weighs 194 lbs more, and that's mostly because of the bigger motor and - I'm guessing - the transmission.
  • slawendaslawenda Member Posts: 101
    The weight difference does make sense to me in terms of heavier steering, but I suppose that means that Honda does not make any adjustments to the V6's steering to compensate for this?

    Don't heavier cars in general have to have adjustments to their steering vs. lighter cars, so that the "feel" is roughly the same? It seems us drivers should not have a harder time steering the car because we chose an engine with more power?! Don't get me wrong, I am "strong enough" to steer my car, but it's frustrating that the engineers didn't adjust anything to compensate.

    Am I wrong? Is this just laziness on their part, or cheaper for them to make only one steering system for all Accords, to cut costs, simplify production? I really am annoyed at this...I wish I could have the 4 cylinder steering with the V6 power!
  • snakehairsnakehair Member Posts: 120
    I have an '03 EXV6 and do not care for the Grade Logic's attempt to slow the car when rapidly decreasing speed or braking on a hill. Mine downshifts around 40 MPH (I think this may vary depending on how you drive "fuzzy logic at work"). It causes my braking to be less smooth which is something I pride myself on. Also when the raod surface is wet, you can actually cause a skid if you are unfortunate enough to have to brake firmly. It is possible to fool the grade logic or anticipate it with practice. Braking on the Hoonda, though a little grabby is not the best I've seen.. Stopping distances are quite long regardless of the "help" the grade logic adds.
  • whitecloud1whitecloud1 Member Posts: 268
    What you experience is normal. Handling at higher speeds is safer due to more
    "road feel" behind the wheel. The weight difference between the two has a lot to do with it too. I have a '98 4 cyl. and the '03 V6. I noticed the same but I've had smaller "sporty cars" that felt about the same as the V6. Hondas in my opinion, have never tried for Cadillac luxury, (light steering, soft ride..). If you want that feel in the V6 Accord, it's not the ride for you.
  • mbx4stevembx4steve Member Posts: 24
    I am in the market for a 2005 Accord LX 4 door automatic. Hope to get some advice if whether the $2,600 difference between the V6 and 4 cyclinder is worth the money. My mind is pretty set on just the 4 banger. But I am open to suggestions (not the saleman's pitch). :P

    My needs are rather straight forward...reliable and safe transportation. I drive very conservatively and do have not plans to race with anyone. The car will be used primarily to commute to work and pick kids up to and from schools. Our weekend car is the family van, a 2004 Odyssey. By the way, I plan to lease the Accord so I may not keep it after 3 years

    The obvious differences...

    V6 has more horse power, should be much faster in acceleration and passing other cars.
    V6 is heavier and uses more gas.
    V6 has 16 inch wheel rims vs. 15 on the 4 cycl.
    V6 has 4 disc brakes vs. 2 disc and 2 drum for the 4 cycl.
    V6 has a built-in anti-theft alarm

    Everything else is the same, I believe.

    The two questions I have are...

    Does the V6 has a better stopping distance with the 4 disc brakes?

    Are the factory installed 16" tires a better brand or grade for the V6?

    Would appreciate if someone would point out other things.
  • mrbill1957mrbill1957 Member Posts: 823
    I purchased an EX 4 cyl model, so some of the options you mention do come on the 4 cyl as well. There are a few more minuses with the 6 cyl you didn't mention.

    6 cyl uses a timing belt which must be changed at a cost of $400-$700
    4 cyl used a timing chain that lasts for the life of the engine.

    6 cyl is typically harder to work on if you like to tinker on your own car, and because of that may be slightly more $$ when repairs and tune-ups are done.

    A transmission shop owner felt that 6 cyl cars tend to tear up trannys more then 4 cyl models, with the added HP it's easy to strain the tranny more then you would with the 4 cyl.

    My suggestion would be to drive the 4 cyl and see if you would be happy with its performance. I have been very happy with mine, and I took the savings and upgraded to the EX model. I realize that the 6 cyl would have more acceleration, but once your moving, there really isn't much difference between them. I went from an '88 Accord with 98 HP to a '04 with 160 HP. To me, the car has plenty of fun in it, and the gas mileage didnt change between them.

    Mrbill
  • hermannhermann Member Posts: 38
    Have finally had it with the stock tires on my "05 LX sedan and have been looking at a set of wheels and tires from the Tire Rack.. The wheels have a offset of 50mm and weigh 18.5 lbs. For tires I am torn between the Bridgestone Turanza LS-H or Bridgestone G0009..Is the offset on the wheels in the proper range and which tires would you go with..Both tires get equally good reviews from people who claim to be spirited drivers....I live in the Kansas City Metro area and the amount of snow we get is usually not excessive, and the highway departments in the area are typically plowing snow before the first flake hits. The wheels I am looking at are available in 15, 16, or 17 in. And the price disparity is mostly in the tires.. I am leaning towards the 16's. All suggestions appreciated..

    Thanks in advance
    Hermann
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    Check out the Accord EX-L because in addition to leather there are other features not on the EX without leather. The EX-L is the top-of-the-line 4 cylinder Accord which has more than enough power for the use you describe.

    With the EX-L you'd have an economical, near-luxury car..........Richard
  • mbx4stevembx4steve Member Posts: 24
    Thanks Mrbill. Know anything about the stopping distances between the LX and the EX (that has 4 discs)? I assume the EX would have better brakes and perform better in panic stops?! See my next post...
  • mbx4stevembx4steve Member Posts: 24
    Thanks Richard. That's a good suggestion and I am looking into the EX. From what I can find, the EX (4 cycl) is at least $2 to $3K more than the LX. Edmund's TVM is $21K for the EX and $18K for the LX. And there's no Honda sponsored special lease deals for the EX (maybe the dealer doesn't want me to know?!)

    Upgrades for the EX that I know are...

    power moonroof
    16" alloy wheels
    rear disc brakes
    electronic brake distribution and traction control systems (???)
    security system
    wheel mounted audio controls
    6 disc in-dash CD

    Did I miss anything? Are they worth the money? I know this is a very subjective question as everybody value these extras differently? But do share your opinion. Thanks.

    P.S. I do prefer the presumably better braking systems in the EX. What do you know about that? That's why I asked about stopping distance in my first post. Thanks.
  • mrbill1957mrbill1957 Member Posts: 823
    I don't know if there are any reports showing stopping distances of both the LX and EX. Another Web site listed the stopping distance of the EX- I4 as 143 ft, and the EX-V6 as 144 ft. I would assume the difference was due to the extra weight.

    4 wheel disc brakes are suppose to be better then 2 wheel disc/ 2 wheel drum. If for some reason they were not on the Honda, they really made a huge design screw-up. Drum brakes were always known to "fade" when they heat up, and I would assume that they still do on the Accord.
  • jimbo65jimbo65 Member Posts: 65
    Bugs! Does anyone put "bug screens" right in front of the radiator anymore? I kind of think it might be a good idea to keep the critters from becoming jambed into all those tiny spaces.

    We just purchased a new '05 Accord Lx auto trans. Love it. Runs smooth as silk with lots of power. Traded in our '03 just like it. Wanted to get the added safety features and other neat changes Honda added in since the 03. Had 38k on it and never a problem with anything. My lucky wife drives the new car and I still drive my old '96 Accord Lx auto trans. The '96 has 136,000 miles on it and it too has been problem free; also has the original brakes too! Really! I rotated the tires recently and the pads look new yet! Honda builds great cars. Any wonder why we bought a new one again?? ...Mobil 1 for me! :)
    2015 CR-V EX-L 2WD = One Sweet Ride :p
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    Steve,

    The EX-L has what you list plus:

    Leather seating surfaces and leather wrapped steering wheel
    Dual-zone, automatic climate control (set a temperature and forget it--nice!)
    8-way, power driver's seat
    Heated front seats
    Outside temperature indicator
    XM radio

    When I bought my '04 Accord EX-L A/T sedan in August, 2003, the only way to get the side curtain airbags standard was to purchase the car with the leather--curtains were options on other EXs at that time.

    I really didn't want leather nor the other features, but now that I've lived with them, I'm glad I bought the best 4 cylinder model; it really is very close to near-luxury cars that cost MUCH more.

    I have no regrets about buying the 4 cylinder car which is plenty quick and economical at about 22.6 MPG in the city and 33.2 on the highway......Richard
  • lastwraithlastwraith Member Posts: 350
    I don't think that would really be a huge screw up, but that's obviously just my opinion. There should be virtually no difference in stopping due solely to disc vs drum (as explained before in this or other forums). In fact, I believe the point was made that more stopping material could come into contact with a drum design, but there were still fade limitations.

    It doesn't really matter which type is in the rear though, as the majority of the stopping work is done by the front brakes anyway. The only thing about discs all around I see as a major benefit is that they are very easy to work on since they are such a simple design. Basically there are some hydraulics, a few pads, and a rotor as opposed to the many springs and whatnot that are contained within drum brakes. It's not an important enough point though that a buyer should pass up something that is otherwise well suited to them.
  • lastwraithlastwraith Member Posts: 350
    The way to get the best sound would be to get an amp and new speakers, possibly with a sub.....but that's not really the issue. Your budget, what type of music you listen to, and what you are willing to do to the car are the most important factors. If you provide us with the answers to those, we can better help you.

    Also, Crutchfield is a good place to look at specs for conventional car audio replacement items. They are pricy, so I don't recommend that you must buy from them....but it's a good place to get started for people new to car audio.
  • lastwraithlastwraith Member Posts: 350
    Sorry, but that really doesn't make much sense to me. You are talking about a hundred pounds or so on a 2500lb+ vehicle. Also, aren't the transmissions on the V-6 and I-4 the same?

    Even if this is not the case, it is easy enough to adjust the "boost" or "assist" on power steering units to overcome any weight difference. Even within GM, assist levels used to be set relative to the make of the car (Buicks were famous for overboosted steering).

    The point is, the assist on the power steering could have easily been manipulated to make up for the extra weight. Perhaps the steering was made stiffer in the V-6 to reflect the emphasis on performance vs the I4? Many people feel that stiffer steering allows them to "feel more of the road". This would make more sense to me.
  • mbx4stevembx4steve Member Posts: 24
    Thanks everyone for the input. I have decided to go after the EX model than the LX, if the price is right. I 've also posted in the "price" forum to guage what prices people are finding. I hope to score a 4 door auto cloth EX for $20K. Wish me luck! ;)
  • jfergusjfergus Member Posts: 30
    mbx4steve - traction control system (TCS) comes only on the V6 EX models according to the '05 Accord brochure. But EBD does come on the 4 cyl. I'm holding out for the '06s, and I'm hoping one of the changes will be that - like they did with the side airbags - Honda will make TCS (and vehicle stability control, if it becomes available) available on the 4 cyls. I think they need to do this, as Toyota and Hyundai both offer their own TCS and/or VSC as options or even standard on their 4 cyl models (examples: Toyota Prius, Hyundai Sonata GL and GLS 4 cyl). There's no reason (other than making the V6 more attractive) to not offer such systems on 4 cyl models, one can just as easily end up in a bad situation in a 4-banger as in a V6 where TCS or VSC might save the day. Since Honda seems to be in the mood to tout crash ratings on their window stickers, I hope they will be touting VSC and TCS on all their '06s, not just V6s.

    Anyone care to guess when information on the '06 Accords will come out? Judging by past news releases on Hondanews.com, it looks like it might be as late as September 1. Will dealers get any info (brochures, demo cars) before then?
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    I believe that ALL of the automotive magazine reviewers of the first of the 7th generation Accords, i.e. the 2003's, commented about the steering of the V6 versus the I4. They preferred the steering of the four-cylinder version, but preferred the smooth power of the six-cylinder.
  • lastwraithlastwraith Member Posts: 350
    Ok, but I wasn't arguing about that. I'm just saying that there is no reason the weight should have an impact on how much power assist there is. If they wanted to, Honda could make the steering assist nearly the same throughout their entire line of vehicles.
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    COULD - yes. DID - no.
  • lx_steallx_steal Member Posts: 45
    R U sure the Honda Inspire is not the Acura TL?
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    WOW! That's an old post of mine--I guess these things stay around for a long time.

    The Honda Inspire is essentially the American Accord. Note that in the video, the front is chromed, but the car body is the same as the U.S. Accord. I think it's sold as the Honda Inspire in Japan.

    The Acura TL is based on the Accord body and I think all TLs are made in Ohio--whether there's a car that looks like the Acura TL sold elsewhere under the Honda name, I don't know, but I doubt it.

    The Acura TSX is an upscale European (and maybe Asian) Accord--you will see Honda Accords that look like our Acura TSX in the U.K. and elsewhere.

    No guarantee about any of the above info, but I think it's accurate.......Richard
  • lastwraithlastwraith Member Posts: 350
    O-k, the point of the post was to educate the people saying additional weight could have caused the difference in steering feel. If you read my post again, you will see that I never dispute that there is in fact a difference. I even offered a possible reason for the steering feel difference between the two vehicles. Some people actually do like stiffer steering, especially on higher performance cars.
  • mbx4stevembx4steve Member Posts: 24
    You are right jfergus. The EX 4 cycl does not have the TCS.

    Well, I "pulled the trigger" yesterday and leased a a EX sedan 4 cycl auto cloth for 36 months. The price was right and I don't want to wait anymore. I am sure the '06 model will have better features. But I don't think the dealers would drop $3K off MSRP for a long time until the next year end clearance.

    Anyway, the first 10 miles driving home was pleasant; except I notice that the 4 cycl does not accelerate very fast from a dead stop. But once it gets going, it's fine. I am used to a 6 cycl car which pulls strongly, so this is a small adjustment I need to make.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    What color did you end up with?
  • mbx4stevembx4steve Member Posts: 24
    Not sure if your question was directed at me. But I'll answer that just in case. My EX is GRAPHITE (grey). I would prefer it to be a lighter shade. But I am sure it will grow on me. And if I don't wash it too often, I am sure the dust will "lighten" it up a bit... :P
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    Graphite was my first color choice when I decided to trade my EX-L automatic for a EX-L 5-speed manual. We went to the dealer for the graphite but it was being sold by the time my husband got there. The only other EX-L 5-speeds they had were white, gold, and red. Ended up with the Redondo Red because we wanted the gray interior. I am happy with the red but we still prefer the looks of the first 04 we had in silver.
  • sockpuppet1969sockpuppet1969 Member Posts: 308
    I was on vacation in New Jersey last week and unexpectedly purchased a new motorcycle. In order to get it home I bought a hitch at U-haul and towed it home on an open trailer. The owners manual lists the maximum tow capacity of the Accord 4cyl at 1,000 pounds. The maximum rating on the hitch is 2,000. The trailer/motorcycle combination was about 1,800. They guy who put the hitch on had concerns over the mounting points for the hitch (mostly the four bolts which attach directly to the trunk floor) and made me sign a release stating he was not responsible.

    Towed it a total of 600 miles to North Carolina, mostly highway miles on 95/85. Took a lot of clutch to get moving but once I had momentum on my side it did really well. I drove at a maximum speed of about 55mph in 4th gear (did not use 5th at all). The car did not struggle and the engine did not lug. The brakes did just fine. Averaged about 23 mpg while towing. I changed the oil and the transmission fluid when I got back and the car is driving just fine now. Other than premature clutch wear I don't think there will be any long term effects.

    Now I also have the hitch for our bicycle rack. Just though those who are considering a tow hitch or hauling with their Accords might be interested. :)
  • biker4biker4 Member Posts: 746
    That must have been one huge bike (most are <700#) on one huge trailer (most are <400#). I would worry more about the breaks instead of the accelaration when it comes to towing something over the vehicles' rating.

    I seem to remember only 3 bolts to attach a hitch to my 99 LX. Yes it does come in handy when you need to get 10 sheets of drywall or a big TV home. :shades:
  • sockpuppet1969sockpuppet1969 Member Posts: 308
    The bike is 550 pounds. It was the U-haul trailer that was huge - 1240 pounds! They had a smaller trailer which was designated a motorcycle trailer but they would not rent it one way.

    I was very careful to keep a lot of space between me and the car in front of me so as to avoid excessive braking. If I needed to make an emergency stop or maneuver I would have been screwed!
  • srobaksrobak Member Posts: 96
    Greetings...

    I dont much care for the solid red tail lights in my 05. Car has about 10k on it, lenses are in perfect condition. Anyone interested in a straight-up swap? I am looking for the split color lenses from the 03 or 04. They bolt right in. We can agree on a day to overnight the lenses to each other so we are not left without lights for very long. Whatever works for you. I can provide pix, expect the same in return. Thanks

    -scr
  • mrbill1957mrbill1957 Member Posts: 823
    Are you sure that the lenses are swappable? Yes they appear to be the same physical size, but is there any difference in bulb location, number of bulbs in each lens, layout of bulbs for each turn/brake/backup lights? changes in wiring harness etc?

    May be OK, just wondering

    Mrbill
  • ilvmyhndailvmyhnda Member Posts: 2
    I love my Honda's. We own 3 in our family and are looking into the CRV. What do you all think about this cute little thing?
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