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  • jrct9454jrct9454 Member Posts: 2,363
    Since there is no location information in your profile, it is impossible to answer your question about pricing. All pricing is local. There is no such thing as a "TMV", only the local marketplace, and Edmunds is not selling you the car, your local dealers are.

    Generality: in a highly competitive market for Asian makes [Southern Calif, for example], a price of a few hundred over nominal invoice is not an unreasonable expectation, at least in a few weeks. In less competitive areas, forget about it. Nissan and Toyota have actually had the perverse effect of propping up prices, at least in the very short term, by the elevated MSRPs on the new Altima and Camry. The Camry will support these prices...the Altima will not...but it will take a few months for the marketplace to have the desired effect. In the meantime, it's between you and your local market...
  • evandroevandro Member Posts: 1,108
    The new Altima was in my list and I was waiting for it to hit the floors to take a look at it. The 240HP V6 did attract my attention, but for $29K??? Give me a break! Camry's pricing has always kept it out of my shopping lists, too. The Accord is an honest car with an honest price.
  • venanzikvenanzik Member Posts: 72
    Does anyone know what the invoice on the 2002 accord EX v6 is? and since its thier last run on the current body style, does anyone think that honda will be offering any type of special financing one this model early on? or will it be just the typical year ending deals?..Is philadelpia area considered a competative market?
    i know i know, a lot of questions..but im thinking of buying within a month or 2
    (anyone want to buy a 97 grand cherokee)...
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Member Posts: 2,363
    Try collegehillshonda.com; Kelley has the retail prices but not all of the invoice info posted yet.
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    the Accord is an excellent car, but I am puzzled concerning your comment about the Camry's pricing. True, if you add the Nav system, skid control, leather, V6, and side curtain airbags, its comes in around 31K. But if you're looking at the mainstream Camry LE 4cyl auto, with JBL audio, ABS, pwr driver's seat, keyless entry.. MSRP is 21,500, which is basically on top of an Accord LX auto/ABS. Prices for the LE V6 and LX V6 match up similarly as well.
  • evandroevandro Member Posts: 1,108
    The accessories I've been opting in are leather, side air bags and V6. It's amazing how the Camry gets expensive faster than the Accord. Especially when making it equivalently equipped to an Accord, because it has many optional items that are standard on the Accord.

    It's always ended up being about $2K above a similarly equipped Accord the last 2 times I've checked: in '97 and this month...
  • asdxereasdxere Member Posts: 29
    Kelly Blue Book (KBB.com) has the current MSRP of the 2002 Accord. It shows a $100 over last year's price. I would guess the invoice price should be around $100 more than last year, too.
    I've seen mostly 2002 SE's and EX-V6's in Oklahoma, but no LX's yet. I test drove the 2002 SE and it's a nice car, but I don't like sunroofs. Will wait for the LX's to come in before I try and deal.
    Also drove the 2002 Camry LE 4cyl. Whisper quiet inside! However, the dealer will only take $800 off the sticker. I estimate that's about $1369 over invoice. The bad thing about Toyota's is all the port-installed options like paint/fabric protection, pinstripes, etc. The Camry had $1400 in port-installed options! Haven't seen any 2002 Altimas in Oklahoma yet...
  • har1bushhar1bush Member Posts: 207
    I think evandro is right in saying that the Camry is less of a value than the Accord... you provided the numbers as well... if a Camry LE 4-cylinder is around 21K, for that same amount of money, you can either opt for an Accord LX V6 or the EX with leather. As for the Accord EX V6, people can get it for around 23K, but the Camry XLE or SE similarly equipped will probably be around 2-3K more.
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    I was talking MSRP, not "street" prices. As far as that goes, the 4cyl LX w/ ABS lists at 21,030. (Source www.honda.com) Thats only $470 less than the Camry LE 4cyl, and the Camry at that price has an 8 spkr JBL audio system which I'm sure is worth at least the $470. I'm not exactly sure if the LX Accord also includes the keyless entry and pwr drivers seat that you'd get with the 21.5K Camry. So, as I was saying, there's bascially no difference.
    ~alpha01
  • s852s852 Member Posts: 1,051
    JBL is not a standard feature of the Camry LE.
    Real world Sstreet prices matter more than MSRP.
  • har1bushhar1bush Member Posts: 207
    hmmm... ok... but if you get an Accord EX 4-cylinder with leather, you'll get leather and it will be STICKERED around or slightly over 21K. Plus an EX has the 6-CD Changer and the Camry LE does not have keyless entry as standard either (at least that's what the new Edmunds article says). Besides, these days, you can easily get an LX for around 17-18K so if you don't count that in, there is no point in comparing anything.
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    I totally agree with your street pricing, info, but I'm still curious as to where your getting your sticker price info, and that was the only point I was trying to make. I'm not an unreasonable lad, I'm just trying to point out that the numbers which are talked about in automotive publications, where priced is concerned, are MSRP. Rarely, if ever, do I remember reading, for example, a Car and Driver Comparison test where they bantered about "street pricing" when value was judged. (I feel that C&D is the only truly objectively opinionated source of decent auto journalism,that still manages to entertain, for the everyday consumer). In any case, at Honda's website, the EX 4 auto w/Leather lists (ie..sticker, MSRP, whatever) at 23,350 including destination.
  • carguy62carguy62 Member Posts: 545
    Someone mentioned port installed options like pinstripes and fabric protection. Shouldn't that be dealer installed? Find a different dealer who doesn't load its cars up with junk.
  • evandroevandro Member Posts: 1,108
    Altima V6 for under $24K??? If this is really so, the Altima is back in my list! ;^)


    See this.

  • mirthmirth Member Posts: 1,212
    True, I priced out a 3.5SE with the options I wanted and it came to about $25K MSRP. But a similarly equipped '02 Maxima SE priced out at $26K MSRP, with 15 more horses and a better interior. Maxima has replaced Altima on my list.
  • quandaryquandary Member Posts: 6
    Local dealer *had* 2001 Accord LXs automatic with side air bags on sale for 18, 700 or so. They sold out in a few days.

    Anybody have a fix on how much above invoice one should expect in a small & hot regional market?? (upstate NY)

    Kelly Blue book (kbb.com) indicates an invoice price for the 2001 of about 18,100.

    If I can get a 2002 for the same 18,700 is that good? Or should I hold out for closer to 18,100 or go farther afield?

    I note as well that other services show different invoice prices!
  • har1bushhar1bush Member Posts: 207
    yeah... that's my fault on the MSRPs, but you get my point...

    As far as the Altima goes, sure it starts at 23K for the SE V6, but without options, it has NOTHING compared to the Accord EX V6. Everything from ABS, Auto climate ctrl, leather, moonroof, 6-CD changer, and side airbags are all options that push the price up another 4 or 5 grand, plus all these things are included on the base price of the Accord EX V6. The only thing the Altima has going for it is that 240hp engine, but I'd much rather spend a bit more to get a Maxima or an Acura CL/TL. Its absolutely puzzling what Nissan was thinking on this one.
  • godeacsgodeacs Member Posts: 481
    MSRP is $25,740, only $200 over the 2001. Any idea how much over invoice they're going for? 2001s were going for just under $23K in my neighborhood....
  • s852s852 Member Posts: 1,051
    It is going to vary regionally, but they are going for between $500 and $1000 over invoice where I am.
    They will not go for much less than that until the last of the 2001s are gone or no one would buy the 2001s and the dealers need to move the 2001s out now.
    When all the 2001s are gone, it is likely the 2002s will soon be discounted as much as the 2001s are now plus the $200 price increase.
  • godeacsgodeacs Member Posts: 481
    Thanks for the info. Saw a few 2001s left but not in the color I want. Have to make a deal real soon so can't wait....
  • tcpip1tcpip1 Member Posts: 121
    Anyone knows the differences between 2002 and 2001 Accord?
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Member Posts: 2,363
    Except for the equipment mix of the Special Edition [or whatever they are calling it], the answer is "nothing worth noting". This is a carryover car in every important sense of the word.
  • honda86honda86 Member Posts: 4
    I'm wrestling with which to buy--the 2001 Civic LX or 2001 Accord VP. I like the extras on the Civic LX (cruise, power locks, etc.) and the overall length of the car will
    be easier to park, but the interior feels cramped. It is almost the same dimensions
    as my 86 Accord but feels much tighter inside. The 2001 Accord has the advantage
    of interior roominess and many more places inside to put stuff, plus the added trunk
    room, but it is 11" longer than my 86 and I'm afraid of the parking dilemmas and after-market cruise is iffy.

    Best price I've gotten locally on the Civic is $14,790, but the same dealer quoted me
    $15,990 for the demonstrator 2001 Accords they still had on the lot, both with 3800
    to 5700 miles on them. This is $500 more than the same dealer was advertising for
    the same car--new--four weeks ago, so it makes me suspicious of the Civic pricing
    too. I don't want to pay a premium for a car that has half a year's mileage on it
    already and may be discounted just as much next year. A dealer 40 miles away has 5 new 2001 VPs still listed on their website, so I might be able to get one there, though I'm still getting a car that is a "year" old because of the year change.

    My two questions are: Civic or Accord? Buy now or wait and see what discounts will
    be available on the 2002s?

    Thanks for any insight.
  • ral2167ral2167 Member Posts: 791
    i do think i read someplace that exterior colors may be different, as far as the green at least-- the 2001 green seemed to be so dark that it looked almost black from a distance.. i guess the 2002 green is somewhat lighter and there's no mistaking it's green... this is good ... personally, i like the naples gold-- you can go months between car washes with this color.
  • goodwillgoodwill Member Posts: 1
    I have been reading this and relevant boards for about a month and found it's really informative and also noticed many knowledgable posters. Still having my 99 Civic VP, I bought a 2001 Accord EX two days ago. Persuaded by the finance manager of the dealer I also purchased the American Honda's Extended Warranty at 6 yrs/75000 ml. It's $1450 and I will pay it as intallment with 0 interest in a year. I was told I could get it fully refunded if I did not use it within the covered period, but only afterwards otherwise it will be pro-rated. So if I will not use it, from another point of view, it's like I have a $1450 CD in Honda without interest for 6 years. Just considering a 5% APY, I would earn some $420 interest if I instead put this money in a bank.

    I am trying to get statistical data that in what probability a recent Honda Accord EX would have problem requiring using this warranty. If not that big, the extended warranty may be not so worthy. I have 60 days to cancel this contract.
    Does anyone have some pointers on this issue?
    Thanks.
  • s852s852 Member Posts: 1,051
    You probably will not need the extended warranty at all, but if you really want it, I have heard that it is available for well under $1000. I have heard $799 for 6 years of HondaCare bumper to bumper coverage.
    $1450 is outragous and you probably could just skip it completely.
  • soberssobers Member Posts: 496
    was offered $885 for 2001 Accord EX I4 with Leather ! 1450 is JUST too much !!

    Buying it for around 800/900 for EX-L is a good expenditure, would increase value of the car if you sell it after 3-4 years & the new buyre would be more than wiling to play for it (devide the cost by the years remaining on the warranty)
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Member Posts: 2,363
    For a preview of the 4 cyl that will be in the '03 Accord, check out the new CR-V, which should be out in November. The 2.4 in that car will also appear in the new Accord. 160 hp and 162 ft-lbs should give a small but noticeable boost in performance.

    Also look for a new emphasis from Honda on noise; road and tire noise has been an historic weak spot of all Hondas [including Acura], but as each new model is released, you can see their emphasis on fixing this weakness. The Odyssey gets the treatment this year, the initial drives of the CR-V show this is also the case with it. If they can get a handle on this aspect of the way the car drives, the last advantage that Toyota has had over the years will pretty much go away.
  • soberssobers Member Posts: 496
    I think 2001/02 Accord matches camry in terms of NVH. It is as as quiet as camry. But I would like to have the same suspension set up currently on the Accord...it gives very good controlled ride on the freeways. I would not like to have suspension tuned more towards comfort.....major reason I got Accord over camry is the feedback I get from steering/suspension & the taut ride.
  • ral2167ral2167 Member Posts: 791
    having owned both, there is no doubt that the solara is much quieter than the accord as far as engine, wind, and tire noise.

    the honda does handle better-- not close here either.
  • dtownfbdtownfb Member Posts: 2,918
    If you pay more then $800 for a 6/75000 mile warranty, you are getting ripped off. Remember the actually warranty is only 3 years/39,000 miles. I bought a 1994 Accord LX and we got the 7/150k warranty with $100 deductible for just over $800. Granted it was a third party warranty offered by Honda (GE). Reason we got it because we knew we would drive about 20k+ a year.

    The extended warranty does not raise the re-sale value of the car. You buy the warranty to give yourself peace of mind. It does give you ammunition to charge about $1000-$1500 over trade-in value. But you can never sell for the same price as the dealer.
  • s852s852 Member Posts: 1,051
    I have driven a 2001 Accord EXV6 and a Solara V6 and the Solara was not MUCH quieter. Maybe a decibel meter could tell the difference.
    The V6 Accord was not noisy.
  • simmsjsimmsj Member Posts: 5
    Info on 2002 models now available on honda.com.
    Good interactive site.
  • lonetreelonetree Member Posts: 1
    Is it out yet? If so, can you share price paid?

    Thanks
  • soberssobers Member Posts: 496
    I own 2000 Accord which is noisier than the camry & 2001/02 Accord. I drive 99 Camry 4 cyl & 2001 Accord LX 4 cyl frequently (friend's) & I can say that from MY2001 Accord matches it in the quiteness.
  • soberssobers Member Posts: 496
    I own 2000 Accord which is noisier than the Camry & 2001/02 Accord. I drive 99 Camry 4 cyl & 2001 Accord Lx 4 cyl frequently (friend's) & I can say that from MY2001 Accord matches it in the quietness.
  • metmdxmetmdx Member Posts: 270
    Correct me if I'm wrong (which I probably am) but I thought Honda changed body styles every four years. I have a '96 Accord which the style changed in '98. Thought '02 would be style change but I don't see it from the pictures I've seen. Did Honda go to 5 year cycle?
    Thanks.
  • s852s852 Member Posts: 1,051
    They have gone to a 5 year cycle. The Civic changes every 5 years now also.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Member Posts: 2,363
    The Japanese have settled pretty much on a 5 year cycle, and the Germans on 5-7 years, with the longer cycle applying to MB and BMW. These numbers are longer for the Japanese, and shorter for the Germans, than what had been the historic norm.
  • currygoat11currygoat11 Member Posts: 6
    Does anyone know where I can find the dealer invoice cost for a new 2002 Accord LX 4-door manual transmission?

    Thanks in advance!
    currygoat
  • twistinmelontwistinmelon Member Posts: 90
    Accord LX


    Manual - Retail $18,890 | Invoice $17,005.20


    http://www.collegehillshonda.com/2002.htm


    twist

  • currygoat11currygoat11 Member Posts: 6
    twistinmelon: hey thanks for that info. I'm surprised about the 17,005.20 figure. Edmunds.com has 17,167 invoice cost for the 2001 model (same LX 5-speed sedan). I wonder which one is inaccurate or if I'm missing something. Thanks again!

    currygoat
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Does it make THAT much of a difference?

    Just curious...
  • currygoat11currygoat11 Member Posts: 6
    Well there is a difference. I read somewhere that the 2002 models were $200-$300 more on invoice versus the 2001. This would approximate the 2002 invoice at 17367-17467.

    The figure of 17005 is less than the 2001 and way off my estimate of what it should be. Or maybe I'm just off somewhere.

    currygoat
  • twistinmelontwistinmelon Member Posts: 90
    Do we have a $440 destination charge missing somewhere in your figures?

    The collegehillshonda.com 2002 invoice I cited did not include the destination charge. I think maybe the 2001 Edmunds invoice you're citing included the dest charge.

    Hope this helps.

    twist
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Member Posts: 2,363
    ...is indeed the difference. Please everyone, when discussing either MSRP or nominal invoice, this has to be included.
  • jf_spadejf_spade Member Posts: 16
    I saw an ad in the newspaper for a used 2001 Accord LX V-6. It had about 4600 miles on it. The price that the dealer was asking for was $20988, which is above invoice. I think that's asking too much for a used car. What do you think? Carsdirect.com tells me that they can get me a new one at $50 under invoice, but I have to travel to Indiana (about 2 hours away) to get it. The catch is that the color that I want may not be available. On the used LX V-6 I can get it here and I don't have to drive far to get it. What do you think about this price? Do you think that it is fair or should the price be below invoice? I think it should be a couple of hundred below invoice because it is listed as used. Someone please give me some advice. I'm looking to buy within the next month or so.
  • currygoat11currygoat11 Member Posts: 6
    Hey thanks for the replies!!

    currygoat
  • raybearraybear Member Posts: 1,795
    Yes, that's too much. There are Ohio dealers selling new cars just a bit over invoice, why pay the same for used?
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Member Posts: 2,363
    ...too much money for a used LX. Get a new one, or get them to face reality, which would be somewhere on the order of $19-19.5k...and even then I'd prefer new.
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