By accessing this website, you acknowledge that Edmunds and its third party business partners may use cookies, pixels, and similar technologies to collect information about you and your interactions with the website as described in our
Privacy Statement, and you agree that your use of the website is subject to our
Visitor Agreement.
Comments
TIAHesitation on the new Accord at around 1800rpm: I also had a similar observation on my Accord till 5000 miles. It doesn't do that now.... Also this is termed as 'NORMAL' by the dealers & also I have heard of this from every friend who has got 98+ Accord. SO you should not be worried about it.
91 Accord: One of my friend got 91 Accord EX 5 speed with 143 miles & he still has it with 167K miles ! Only problem was the ignition change($300). Other friend has 91 Accord EX Auto with Automatic with 155K miles & is still going strong, recently one more friend got 91 Accord Lx Auto with 145,000 miles for $2600 (All records).
All the pre MY98 Accord shift fast/abruptly & a bit harshly..it is the way they were designed (a bit weired but inline with Hondas phylosphy of efficiency; faster shifting transmissions. Sometimes they shift so fast that it shakes the driver! But you do gain a bit on performance & response.
Lx V6: Warranty for 1500 seems too high. Should be in & around 1000 as far as what I see here.
It has been a great car! Only had one trip to service in the last year. However, I will be replacing it this fall - probably with another Accord
I hope they don't mess up the styling again in 2003.
I can't find anything in the manual nor on the honda.com website.
Thanks
Here’s some information. Be careful when you examine the Honda web site or talk to many dealers. It appears, at first glance, as if the security alarm system and the keyless remote entry system are two separate entities--but, in fact, the security system INCLUDES THE KEYLESS REMOTE one. That is why the Accord and Civic brochures list this accessory as one item--a combination security/keyless entry and not as two separate accessories. Hence, do NOT fall prey to claims or misunderstandings that you must pay an outrageous sum for two systems when all you need is one.
What’s a reasonable price or cost or this from your dealer?
As a rough guide, dealers should match the online parts stores and charge you for labor. The necessary parts for an Accord security system, e.g., are about $240--see the prices at various dealers and accessory companies: (the system only allows 115 characters so you'll have to knit these together)
http://www.collegehillshonda.com/ parts/acc01/accord.htm
http://www.hondacarsofaiken.com/
parts/accessories/accord_sedan.html
http://www.handa-accessories.com/
accelect01.html
http://www.hparts.com
The price includes both the security harness and the attachment unit (that can be either a source of confusion or a ploy as sales people argue you need to pay for two wiring/harness thingiess.)
You should figure about 2 hours labor for the security/keyless system. (That’s my guess-estimate based on a couple of web messages and some different dealers’ comments and pricing.) So add say $130 for 2 hours labor (@$65/hr--rates seem to vary $10-20 around the country), gives you $375 total. Throw in the remote trunk release attachment for $25 and add $15 for maybe a quarter hour of labor and you get to a grand total of $415. If you’re a good negotiator, you might bring even that fair price down.
No doubt at this point several people will chime in about getting an after-market system for less money and with more features. That’s true, but then you need to find a good installer. Consumer Reports reviewed aftermarket security systems in its February 1997 and concluded: “We didn’t find even one professional installation in which the shop did everything right” (p. 20). Many mishandled the wiring (crude connections, visible, etc.), many put the control near the driver’s seat where a thief could quickly disconnect the alarm. Some installations caused false alarms or mis-functions. One place botched a switch install and left screw holes and a dent in the hood while another put the siren beside a hot manifold. (Of course, if you’re a skilled do-it-yourselfer, you could save $ and avoid the problems.)
My area doesn’t have after market alarm shops; plus I have confidence in my local Honda dealer and would rather have things covered by Honda nationally and under a new car warranty.
See my other post listing the security system’s features. They’re basic in many respects, but do include some “advanced” features.
Why Honda doesn’t advertise and even tout its features better is beyond me. You won’t find the following info in any of the standard Accord and Civic brochures.
The Honda security/keyless system is considered basic by many, but includes some very good features. One that sales people often don’t know about it is the Glass Breakage Detector (via microphone). Also, the system can be set up for silent arming/disarming, a feature of higher-end systems.
I include a list of the security system’s features adapted from a dealer information sheet (paraphrased and annotated). I post it because I did not find such a list anywhere on the web, nor was there a readily available brochure at the dealers. I am assuming that this sheet represents reality (I know, I know, a dangerous move--you should ask your prospective dealer for a copy of the information sheet and make sure it’s current and matches what will be installed). (Note: on receipt of my car, I confirmed most of these features--for obvious reasons, I’m not about to test the glass breakage detector, although I’m tempted to put a tape in their from the old Carson Tonight show.)
(I was shopping for an Accord LX, but this seems to be the description of the standard Honda system.) (Note: the LX SE and EX come with security systems factory installed that INCLUDE the optional hood switch.)
FEATURES OF HONDA SECURITY SYSTEM
o Glass breakage detector--triggers alarm if glass is broken.
o Door and trunk sensor--alarm goes off if these are opened.
o Auto relock--within 30 seconds if no door opened (protects against any inadvertent unlock by the remote--say by hitting the button).
o Door ajar warning--any door or trunk not closed properly, horn sounds, system does not arm--prevents one from leaving the car with an access point open.
o Welcome light--dome light goes on when vehicle unlocked by remote--good for nighttime entry.
o Panic button--I assume this sounds the horn and turns on lights, but it was not described.
o Remote control--handles locking, unlocking vehicle; arms/disarms security.
o Power interrupt protection--re-arms automatically after battery disconnected.
o Arming verification--flashes parking lights and briefly sounds horn.
o Visual/audible alarm--horn and parking lights .
o Passive operation--if selected, automatically arms, locks 20 seconds after last door closed.
o Flashing LED on steering column clearly visible.
o Options: hood sensor, siren in place of horn (chirps for confirmation), and remote trunk opener.
Note: as I understand it, and a sales person explain to me, the radio/CD/stereo is NOT hooked into a dealer-installed security system. On the Accord EX models, or the LX Special Edition, the installed music unit is an anti-theft one requiring special code to reactivate if it’s disconnected from the battery.
FEATURES of INCLUDED Keyless Entry System
o Has 4 buttons--lock, unlock, trunk (option), and red recessed panic.
o You receive two remotes with keys. (Also, a third valet key, sans remote.)
o Red LED confirms operation and shows its battery condition.
o Unlock button--press once for driver’s lock only; press twice for all doors. Parking lights flash twice on unlocking.
o Distance: up to 50 feet away.
o Trunk (option) button: can arm/disarm system silently or set it to respond with horn. (The trunk button on the dealer installed remote may be labeled option rather than picture a car with its trunk open.)
o Parking lights flash when doors locked and alarm set.
Hope all this helps some web browser or prospective buyer.
My Accord LX dealer installed Honda security system has 3 settings on the main unit control box--auto lock, auto, and manual.
Autolock does what it says--automatically locking and arming the car within 20 seconds after the last door is shut. IS THAT A GOOD SETTING? WHAT ARE THE PROS AND CONS?
Particularly vs. the default manual setting which is arming/locking via remote.
Finally, the auto setting does locking but not arming--when would anyone want that?
also, leather is priced at $1000 as an option on EX-4. Either EX 4-cyl price is a ripoff or EXV6 is a very good value given all the extra stuff when compared to EX-4. Any thoughts?
If you wait later in the year, you will probably be able to get one for less than $500 over invoice.
Thanks in advance.
I hail from Wisconsin, where we have some pretty brutal winters some years. 2 features that the Canadian Accords provide that are missing in the US Accords are heated outside mirrors and a low windshield washer fluid warning light. Both features would be very welcome in areas of the US that have severe winters.
Maybe with the 2003 redesign...
Thanks again,
ny they are selling accord ex-l for 20,995. Can't
get there but now I know this # will haunt me when
I put together a deal for a Honda. This is for
a 2002 honda accord. unbelievable!
Carsdirect.com just dropped their price in my area from $650 over invoice to $250 over invoice.
That's now just a little over $23,000 plus taxes.
There really is no reason for anyone to buy a 2002 Nissan Altima 2.5 SL for more money than an EXV6 Accord.
The only thing this 4 cylinder Nissan has over the Accord is that it is a newer design (which is also a disadvantage for reliability and design/assembly bugs), has a better sounding factory radio and it has side curtain head airbags available as an option.
It has more disadvantages to an EX V6 Accord than it has advantages and it costs more!
:^(I don't know the zip code there. They had the
msrp for 23,890. the stock # is 2H1960. Don't
know if that helps. They said they only had
5 cars, so I couldn't get there. I just don't remember seeing a number like that for a ex-L.
Hope it is a new trend.
And I don't like the styling of the dashboard... I think it looks like it belongs in a Suzuki Vitara or Kia Sportage or some other econo-SUV.
Nissan has done a number of things right with the new Altima, and it certainly is a much better car than the earlier versions. But I think the low-buck look and feel of the interior is a mistake, and that's going to keep it from being much of a real threat to the Accord and Camry.
I have seen some cars I like more than this car, but they all cost a lot more (Passat GLX etc.)
This is the nicest new car I could buy for under $24K.
A $24K 4 cylinder Altima 2.5SL or or around the same price for a loaded 2002 4 cylinder Camry LE is a joke.
The only negative things I noticed about the car is that the outside door handle seems a little hard to grip compared to the car I had before, the doors are a little heavy and have to pulled hard or they will not close all the way and it does not have automatic door locks, so I have to manually push a button to lock and unlock the doors.
The nicest surprise about the car is the the 6 disc in-dash stereo sounds very good. Good enough that I have canceled my plans to replace the factory speakers and get an amp. That's a few hundred dollars that I don't have to spend.
When playing CDs, the Accord EXV6 stereo sounds better than the Bose system in the CL and TL.
I could still add a subwoofer for more bass, but its adequate as is. Much better sound quality and power than the single-disc stereo in a 2000 EXV6 I listened to.
Since it has factory alarm system and an adequate stereo, I won't need to have the dash and door panels torn apart for aftermarket equipment installations and take the chance of getting rattles.
I know the newly redesigned 2003 Accord comes out in 1 year, but I don't care. If I like the new Accord, I'll wait until the second model year to buy it. This car should be fine for the next 24 months or more.
to wait quite a while for Honda to admit that
sales are slowing. They are always the last to
admit vunerability.
(Kelley Blue Book) that showed the retail and wholesale values. Since my 90 accord ex had 205,000 miles he said that he could only wholesale it and offered me something less than that. If your car has low miles you may get between wholesale and retail for it from the dealer.
Plenty of it is subjective. A car you think is in "excellent" condition may be percieved only as "good" by the dealer or there might happen to be an oversupply of your car on the market at the time you want to trade the car in (or so you will be told regardless).
It is up to you whether you agree to take what the dealer wants to give you so you can avoid the hassle of selling the car on your own.
KBB is supposed to be a guide, not a negotiating point. Their numbers should reflect actual market conditions.