Older Honda Accords

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  • hawks1hawks1 Member Posts: 57
    Although not inclusive,nor in any particular order, here are a few things I'd like to see in the redesigned '03 Accord:
    (1)16" wheels standard on all models with 4- wheel disc brakes
    (2)At least a modest boost in HP - 160 for the
    4 cylinder and 215-220 for the V6
    (3)An available manual 5-speed tranny for the
    V6
    (4)A smoother 4-speed auto - in fact a 5-speed auto would be most desirable
    (5)Larger interior room, particularly the back seat
    (6)A larger trunk, perhaps in the 16 cube range
    (7)A bit more attitude in the exterior design although not nearly as important as any of the above
  • canadianclcanadiancl Member Posts: 1,078
    Based on past history of Honda model evolution, I think your wish will come true for items 2, 5, 6, 7.
  • misterjohnnymisterjohnny Member Posts: 41
    Thinking about the Accord EX V6. What changed from 2001 to 2002? Anything important?
  • jfavourjfavour Member Posts: 105
    Earlier posts suggested that the 2003 Accord would have the 160 HP engine from the new CR-V and the 3.2l V-6 from the TL. I doubt either will be true. The 2.4l from the 2002 CR-V is basically the same i-vtec engine used in the Acura RSX and the new Honda Civic Si, so it is obviously designed for the Civic's global platform, not the Accord's. The TL's V-6 is a derivative of the current Accord's 3.0l V-6 as they (and the Oddessey & MDX) are all built on the same platform. None of those engines uses i-vtec yet, so it is likely the next Accord V-6 will feature i-vtec and then the new versions of the TL, Oddessey, and MDX will all get derivatives of the new Accord engine. The HP estimates that people are guestimating will hopefully hold true, with a 4 cyl around 160-175 hp and a six with 215-225 hp.
  • kalabaw222kalabaw222 Member Posts: 9
    Going to get my tires replaced and haven't been able to find what the proper torque should be for the lugnuts. Anyone know the specs on this? Again its a Honda Accord 1999 EX-l 4-cyl 4door...
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Member Posts: 2,363
    All of the engine architecture is interchangeable, except the 3.5 used in the RL. The rest can be manipulated very easily by simply changing the heads [which is how you get "I-VTEC"], fiddling the software, working the exhaust tuning, etc. ad nauseum. Multiple industry sources have the new Accord 4 as the 2.4 making 160-165 hp, and the 6 as the 3.2 making 220-230 hp. These are not stretches for Honda - they have lots of flexibility within these two blocks, and they fit any front-drive transverse-engine chassis in the line. Incidentally, the standard CRV engine everywhere but the North American market is a 2 liter making about 140-150hp, depending on the market and emission regs.

    All of the engines can be made to fit in the Accord chassis, from the 1.6 liter 4 right up to the 3.2 liter V6. Again, in every market but this one, there tend to be a lot of engine choices we never see.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Member Posts: 2,363
    I think the book calls for something like 76-78 foot-lbs; I use 80 because it's easy to remember.
  • s852s852 Member Posts: 1,051
    Nothing important was changed. The only advantage of the '02 is better resale value if you plan to sell in a few years.
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    And the rear tail lights look more modern.
  • s852s852 Member Posts: 1,051
    The tail lights are not any different between '01 and '02. They were already changed for '01.
    The only thing different is that there is an SE model besides the LX, DX and EX.
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    Don't forget the grille has a sort of tongue sticking out from the air intake. The other day I saw an Accord parked next to a last generation Camry, and with the exceptions of the headlights, those two look very similar.
  • canadianclcanadiancl Member Posts: 1,078
    Accords are getting frisky!
  • jfavourjfavour Member Posts: 105
    I would be happy if the 2003 had the 2.4L from the new CR-V. That engine develops a lot of torque! Where did you read that? I would be surprised by this only because in the North American market Honda doesn't usually seem to "carry over" engines from different models. Each new Civic and Accord always come with redesigned engines. Sometimes they are the same displacement as what they replaced, but a different design none the less. I also have heard that Honda wants to sell their engines to other manufacturers (like GM) to make some extra money and remain independent. If so, wouldn't they want to change the V-6 to spin according to the industry standard (it now spins opposite of all other makes)? That would necessitate a new design. The new CR-V engine has already made this change.
  • kalabaw222kalabaw222 Member Posts: 9
    Called the dealership and they said 75 ft/lbs is what it should be. Thanks for your help...
  • ravynravyn Member Posts: 101
    heh.. i was just going to tell you between 75-80..

    and check on ebay for some good torque wrenches.
    a friend just found a snap-on one for 100 bucks on ebay and apparently if new it would have been 250.
  • ecarmackecarmack Member Posts: 161
    Isn't Honda just selling the 4 cylinders to GM (for use in Saturns)? It would be nice if the engines make it into several of GM's divisions. A great reason to keep racking up those GM Card rebates.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Member Posts: 2,363
    ...no time for the long explanation here, but a few points:

    GM: the contract is actually for V6s, not 4s, or at least that's what I've read in the trades. And the numbers are pretty modest, well within the capacity of the Ohio factories.

    Crank direction: this can be changed without changing the basic architecture of the engine. Yes, they have been contrarian about this up to now, and yes, it is changing, but this is not a huge engineering feat...playing with engines is what Honda does. [This is still an ENGINE company that happened to get in the car business...something they remind themselves about quite often.]

    Displacement vs real differences: the four cylinder family, and most of the V6s, share lots of common characteristics and parts. They can be machined on a common line. The differences tend to be in the heads [and intake and exhaust details], and the simple expedient of varying stroke and bore by small amounts. The engine in the CR-V is the blueprint for the next-gen Accord 4 cyl, but as I said, it also has a 2 liter that is used in other markets in the Accord and in Civic-based applications - the CR-V is still a Civic platform underneath.

    The only engine that is a bit odd-ball [leaving aside the NSX] at the moment on the passenger-car side is the 3.5 in the RL, but that will change when the next-gen RL arrives...which some would say is already way overdue, but that is another discussion.

    I read all the buff books, Automotive News, the Detroit News, Autoweek, etc. It's not unusual for one source to say definitively that the truth is A, and have someone else just as emphatically insist it is B. So until the metal actually appears, one always has to apply some common sense to all of this, especially with Honda, which likes to play its cards closer to the vest than just about any other mass manufacturer. One aspect of applying common sense with Honda is that they ALWAYS have more hp up their corporate sleeve...none of their engines, with the exception of the super-high-revving 4s in the Type Rs and S2000, are stressed to their full potential. With Honda, it's always a question of tradeoffs between what the market needs, what competitors are doing, what the emission regs require, and whether or not a particular car is deemed suitable for premium gas [Acura brand: yes...most Hondas: no].

    All of their engines are on the way to being redone over the next 1-3 years, but the re-do is mostly at the top end [heads and fuel systems]; their goal is to make more hp and meet the 2004 worldwide emission regs with something in their pockets to spare. Then will come Direct Injection, then much heavier use of hybrids. They are unenthusiastic about diesels, but are doing what they have to in order to be competitive in the EU, where you diesel or die. In general, they behave just like an engine company that just happens to make cars...
  • ssosso Member Posts: 5
    I don't know how valid these shots of the '03 Accord are but take a look.


    http://www.thehollywoodextra.com/accord/accord.html

  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    Mr. Burlap. I'm an active poster over at the CR-V forum, and only about 2 months ago did we really know what the 2002 CR-V would actually look like. Honda is very elusive when it comes to spy shots. It's highly unlikely that anyone would even know what the specs are for the 2003 Accord, let alone actually seeing it.
  • tschencktschenck Member Posts: 3
    I'm considering purchase of a 98 Accord EX. The Kelly blue book value is $16,825 and the Edmund's TMV is $15,240. Which do I believe? What is the best source of realistic values for a consumer to use? Thanks.

    Terry
  • raybearraybear Member Posts: 1,795
    Try offering TMV. Kelly's tends to run high. Also check NADA.
  • canadianclcanadiancl Member Posts: 1,078
    They may or may not be real, but it looks like the the offspring of an '02 Camry mating with an Audi A4, which is in keeping with the current trend of derivitive styling of many Japanese manufacturers.
  • storytellerstoryteller Member Posts: 476
    And look at the strong resemblance to the latest Civic. I'd be surprised if the next Accord doesn't look a lot like this.
  • tcpip1tcpip1 Member Posts: 121
    Any info on this one?
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    Of the current wagon sold in Japan.


    http://www.europeanhonda.demon.nl/avancier.htm


    And if you look closely, you'll see the resemblance to the "spy" picture of the 03 Accord.

  • rls9rls9 Member Posts: 9
    My 2001 Accord EX just crossed the 7500 mile mark and now I have the 'maintenance required' light shining at me as I drive. I am a first time car owner so I don't know what to expect for this appointment. What will they be doing or looking for and will it be expensive? Is it necessary or can I just get my oil changed again?

    Any help will be appreciated!
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    In your manual will list schedules for what is required depending on severe or regular use. How you drive will determine the maintenance done.

    Personally, I do a lot of mixed city/highway driving with both winter and summer extremes so I do the severe schedule. Here in Boston that 7500 service runs about $90. My dealer uses a Honda printed handout that matches up to the manual for what they do.

    Good Luck.
  • cyranno99cyranno99 Member Posts: 419
    most likely - you'll just need oil changes, fluids refilled and tire rotation.
  • phishockeyphishockey Member Posts: 24
    I think Honda is selling themselves short by not offering the top of the line Accord engine in a manual. I understand that Americans on the whole want automatic, but Honda loses business to competitors who offer people manual cars in the same segment. My $0.02.
  • soberssobers Member Posts: 496
    Enthusiats want to believe that there is a market for manual on V6 Accord. But I have observed 2001 Civic LX seating on lot for 6 months due to manual transmision !! Automatics get sold in 1-2 months but it is highly difficult to get rid of manauals ! I am sur eif Honda offers manula in V6 Accord it would be very good for their image with Acura TL/CLs TYype S with manual tranny ! They are already working on manual on TL/CL so it should be available on Accord soon I guess.
  • canadianclcanadiancl Member Posts: 1,078
    I personally don't feel that, given the target market of the Accord, it is worth the effort and expense for Honda to certify a manual/V6. There just aren't enough consumer interest in a manual Accord.
  • jjpcatjjpcat Member Posts: 124
    I doubt it would be the same as the one in 02 CRV which has a DOHC engine. Except Integra, Honda/Acura has never equipted any sedans sold in the US with DOHC engines.
  • soberssobers Member Posts: 496
    is where I am putting my money ! 170+ HP from I4 & 215 HP from V6(on Regular fuel) is safe to assume.
  • shreckshreck Member Posts: 1
    I'm looking at leasing a 2002 Honda Accord EX V6 at $299/mo, no $ down except 1st mo pmt, 12,000 mi/yr. Anyone know if dealers are getting $ back due to model change in '03. Can I get a better deal???
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    Honda really doesn't engage in hp wars with its competitions. The only exceptions I can think of are the NSX, S2000, and TL/CL-S's. And maybe the new Odyssey, but that's a heavy vehicle so the increase in hp was probably intended to improve it, not compete with the Chrysler T&C.

    So 270 hp in the Accord sounds like a far-stretch.
    Also, there's more than one way to accelerate. The engine probably doesn't even need that much power to give the Altima some competition.
  • bottgersbottgers Member Posts: 2,030
    I needed a good second car, and I was lucky enough to find this one. It has 170,000 miles on it, and this thing is unbelieveable! The car certainly doesn't drive like a car with this many miles. It's obviously been well cared for. The engine runs, and sounds like it's brand new! This was probably the best $1100 I've ever spent.
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    That is a good deal.
  • timadamstimadams Member Posts: 294
    sobers and canadianlc, I don't disagree with your reasoning, but I hope like heck that Honda changes its mind and offers a stick shift with its V6 engine. Otherwise, I'll write the Accord off my list the next time I look to buy a car.
  • jimbresjimbres Member Posts: 2,025
    Although I don't now own a Honda, I'd like to cast my vote in favor of mating a 5-speed manual to the V-6. I've logged over 17 years drive time with Civics & Accords - all of 'em sticks - & I can tell you that the Honda manual is the best you'll find in any FWD application. It's crisp & precise - as good as anything you'll find in an expensive RWD sports sedan & a real joy to work.

    But let's face it, folks - sticks are falling out of favor with the driving public. Any Honda exec who pushed for a V-6 / 5-speed option for the Accord would be putting his career on the line. Sad to say, this really doesn't make much business sense, as much as some of us would like to see it.
  • soberssobers Member Posts: 496
    Diloid, 270 ?? I guess it was your typo. I am sure Honda would not have any problem getting close to 170 hp rom 2.4 liter SPHC engine (currentl;y in Accord) But I can also settle with 165HP from I4. V6 can be tuned(Vtec) to get 10/15 more hp on regular fuel.
  • habakahabaka Member Posts: 9
    I just bought a '02 LxV6, which has the cloth covered power drivers seat. The seat cover doesn't fit right on the bottom back. Had the dealer replace, but it looks just as bad. The regional Honda rep. is checking, but says he's "never seen this problem before". Apparently, the cover is not being cut correctly by Honda. Anyone else seen this on an LxV6?? It looks like hell.
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    My apologies. I just automatically assumed 270 because I read an article where people were speculating that Honda would put out 270 in response to the Altima's 240.

    But if it's 170...pfft, Honda can do that. The 3.0 V-6 from the NSX was capable of making 252hp...and that was 10 years ago.
  • picenopiceno Member Posts: 55
    Is it really necessary to have 270 thoroughbreds under the
    hood? What do we need all this power for? Last time I looked,
    the speed limit was 65 MPH. It is o.k. if you are trying out
    for the Indianapolis 500, but to go and get groceries at the corner
    grocery store? I have 200 HP in my Accord EX V6, and let me
    tell you, it is MORE THAN enough power. Enough with the
    HORSEPOWER wars, already.
  • jfavourjfavour Member Posts: 105
    I have a 2000 LX-V6 sedan and mine came with only a minor defect on the driver's headrest, which was fixed by the dealer. My seat backs fit perfectly. Keep trying to get yours replaced. Hopefully it is not a common problem. For what it is worth, I love my Accord. It has been a great car. I just passed 30,000 miles.
  • soberssobers Member Posts: 496
    Why would somebody want to out that much in a $23K car ? They just cannot equipe accord to go into Acura treritory. So 215-220 on V6 & 170 on I4 is sort of reasonable guess. I am sure they would not make premium fuel necessary on the v6. With regular fuel they tuned VtEc on ODyssey to get 240hp !!
  • tonyb8tonyb8 Member Posts: 1
    Do any of you have problems with your 2000 Accord V-6 EX hesitating when you hit the gas pedal (very hard). I have experienced what I would consider to be a safety hazard. For instance, when I try to cross traffic lanes of a divided road, I accelerate and then begin to stop in the medium between the two sets of lanes. Before coming to a stop, I'll stomp on the gas and the car acts as if it doesn't know what to do. Then after about a second or so, it takes off. I live in the Washington, DC area that that second can make all the difference in the world. I also have another problem with the transmission. When I drive into a parking area to off load passengers, stop, put the car in park, then shift to reverse, the transmission seems to double shift into reverse. You can feel a very noticeable double surge and then the car is fine. Both problems are so bad that my wife even notices them.
  • minikinminikin Member Posts: 389
    Our open road speed limit is 75 mph. And for straight,low density, flat country, controlled access highway traffic the "understood" max is 85. Couple that with altitude that runs from 5000 to 12000 ft and it changes the perspective a little, doesn't it? Feel sorry for you easterners, I do. Or Metro area Californians if thats your problem.
    -- Don
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    It's just a marketing ploy.

    Honestly, I don't think these midsize sedans even need V-6 engines.
  • black01coupev6black01coupev6 Member Posts: 195
    If you are cutting people off to the point that 1 second makes that much difference then I'm sure your car would like to post a few complaints about you.

    As far as what you are describing about putting the car in reverse....doesn't sound abnormal to me. But it sounds to me like you should've bought a manual tranny.
  • f16f16 Member Posts: 1
    An oil change and tire rotation are the highlights of the 7500 mile service for my 2001 Honda Accord EX 4cyl. I had the oil changed at Wal-Mart for $13.00 (they used the same oil my dealership uses.) I then went to Sears and bought their lifetime balance and rotation package for $42.00. They will sell this deal to you unless your mileage and or tread wear is excessive. I had 7K on my car and it wasn't a problem. You can reset the maintenance light on your car by holding the trip meter button while turning the key to position II. Hold the trip meter button for approximately 10 seconds and the light will go out. This reset information is in your manual. When you go to Wal-Mart, or wherever, for your oil change ask them to lube up your door hinges, go to Sears and get the rotation, balance package, and voila!, you've done the 7500 service
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