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Justin
One dealer says this a problem and he has changed out many alternators with no relief, any one else out or suggestions?
Another question....how does the Sonata handle in the snow without traction control? I may need to borrow the wifes vehicle....she has a 2002 Santa Fe LX with AWD and traction control. I hope it handles the IL winters!
In the Western Region (I don't know what states it includes other than California), there was one Blue LX pkg 1, and one Silver LX pkg 5. No option package 6 available (ABS/TC/Moonroof).
I don't know what Option Package 1 is, I'm assuming that's California Emissions or something like that.
If availability doesn't improve, I'm going to have to buy the Accord V6.
I've heard that Hyundai planned to produce & launch "at least" 10K units of 02 Sonata for first U.S. release. AND, as far as I know, nation-wide screaming shortage started to happen early this month.
It seems to me impossible they sold more than 10k units in a month. It can't be true isn't it?
'cuz they say 00 and 01 Sonatas has been sold "not more than" 5K units a month..
Where has another 5K Sonatas gone, anyway?
BTW, fortunately enough, I'm not a Sonata hunter, but a low-end car shopper now.
But I feel sympathy and agree with you all that it's annoying to fail to get the exact model of car wanted for months..with money in his hand.
Good Luck to you all.
-Spiritz-
So don't pay to much. They're coming. The only problem I am having is finding ABS. Had lots to choose from and $17,500 was an easy price to get. Just no ABS.
I went looking for an Optima (big Hyundais in short supply around
here) and guess what? No Optimas! As the Optima is built on the same
platform as the Sonata, it looks like they ALL are gonna be in short supply.
Like I wrote earlier, I'll probably end up with a Ford. =;-P
two problems.1) timing belt was bad at 58,000 miles, but was replaced FREE by Hyudnai. all it cost was $40 for rental car for one day.
2) had a fender bender and the dealership did no repair the driver's side right and the head lamp is aimed at oncoming driver's eyes, resulting in me getting constantly "High beam flases formother cars' in my eyes. The repair was done in summer,when I never drove at night...so the dealerhsip kind of(and i was dumb,also) dodged the re-fix issue.
\Also, the CD PLAYER died at 67,000 miles. Luckily,the cassette works and so does the radio.
(Note, had troubles with radios in two Nissans,aslo,prior to owning Hyudnai stuff).
I still like the car alot!!!!
As far as someone mentioned the new sonata has same old engine? Not according to Hyundai's booklet on SOnata 2002 models...has 181hp,2.7 liter V6. The FOUR is the same.
Also, the XG350 HAS 194 HP,216 lb of torque, up approx 35 lb torque over the XG300. ALSO< the interiors are switched; the sonata now has the black interior of the old 300, and the 350 now has the tan interior of the old sonata.
WHEW!
oh, we also have a 2001 tibby, 7 months old, with 17,000 miles, runs good. just wish we could have held otu until the 2003 tiby arrives in march with V6, maybe in another 3-4 years?
I apologize if this posting ruffles some feathers, but I just could no longer sit and "listen" to a lot of nonsense.
I just took delivery of a ruby red 2002, Sonata GLS, with ABS, T/C, sunroof w/ deflector, mud guards, carpeted mats, premium sound, etc.
Apparently, after reading the posts, I "stole" this car for $16,400; and how did I accomplish this? By reminding the dealer that despite his inflated view of this car, it's still a Hyundai.
Now, you and I know how far these vehicles have come, but the dealer does not need to know this. Just keep reminding them of the Excel and that you are basically doing them a favor by not going to a Honda or Toyota dealer. Just keep reminding them of all the ridicule they have been accustomed to with their previous offerings and do not relent.
My dealer kept on reminding me how much more I would be paying for either the Toyota or Honda, but I kept on reminding them that a Hynduai is still not in the same class (it's pretty darn close, though, but they don't need to know that).
The other thing I noticed is that some people are paying ~$700 for some optional warranty. In my humble opinion, the only advantage over the standard warranty is the fact that the entire, remaining warranty will transfer to the new owner when the car is sold.
Now, I don't know about you, but I'll be darned if I spend that kind of cash to help out a complete, unknown stranger at some time in the future. There is no way that you can convince that you will recoup the cash when you sell the car. If the new owner wants extra warranty when he/she buys my car, let him/her cough up some cash for an extended warranty if he/she wants it that much, like the rest of us mere mortals are inclined to do.
Regarding the concern about hard shifting; this also happened to me with two other cars with the "adaptive" transmission. What you need to do is give the transmission the chance to "learn" about your driving style and don't let the dealer dicker with it. If the 2002 Sonatai is anything like my other cars (BMW, and 2001 Sonata), this so called problem should disappear by the time your odometer reads 3000.
By the way, after I made a deal for $17,400 for the only GLS on their lot, I told them that I also own a 2001 Sonata (bought at another dealer) and enjoyed the look of fear and rage on their faces when I showed them the registration and told them that I fully expected another $1,000.00 off. Of course, they had to honor this as it is a Hyundai Motors incentive and not theirs.
The 2001 also had the hard shift syndrome, but that is long gone since the transmission "learned" my driving pattern (it took about 2,500 miles).
Long story short; I walked away with a beautiful, fully loaded 2002 GLS for $16,400 and I am still laughing. Who knows, maybe they'll get me when I try to use the warranty, but then again, maybe not.
Hang in there, brothers and sisters, if you can dream it you can get it. If the dealer actually has the car on the lot you should be able to name your price -- high demand or not -- If all else fails, just wait until the end of next August when the 2003's arrive. This is how I got the 2001 at $5,300 under list price, but that's a story for another day.
Good luck to all and to all I wish a Happy and Safe Holiday season.
Anyway, THANKS to all those that provided tuning suggestions. I've already checked out those sites and actually ordered some items that are on the way. Round 1 of tuning is almost there. Just got the 17 inch wheels with 225 50 R17s and they are fine! Not into chrome, just the classic 5 spoke sport look of an alloy - tires and rims cost less than $900 mounted and balanced and shipped (clearance priced! - MIM Rims and Nitto Extreme Tires). Strut tower brace was about a $100 (aluminum alloy), performance exhaust (Tenzo R Stainless Steel w/ dual tips) $100 (ebay auction), K&N filter $49, and aluminum shift knobs & pedals $50. The performance spark plug wires are expensive ($169)!! Anybody have suggestions for these? Overall, spent far less than I expected. Thank you the Internet! That's it for now, gotta start saving money again...
BTW - The 225 50 R17s do rub if you have full load of people and go over a bump somewhat fast. If you keep it slow over bumps, its okay...
Nate
Usually, it takes two~three weeks from Hyundai's Seosan port to west coast of U.S.A.
As for the Optima, it is built by Kia workers in Kia plant. So, there is no relaionship between Hyundai worker's stirke and Optima's shortage.
bluewinds
I have 2002 Sonata LX, which has 6 speakers.
1) Does anyone know the specs (i.e. sizes) of the front door speakers and rear speakers?
2) In choosing the front speakers, which one is better; to install full range speakers and add tweeters to them, or to choose component system?
3) If any of you already went for after market speakers, then could I learn from your experience?
(That is, what kind of speakers you chose and how the result was...)
Thanks in advance,
I wonder who I can talk to about this.
I am recently hearing impaired and cant use the phone that well to make a call and discuss the situation.
Anyone have an email contact to someone at Hyuandi?
Thanks
Tony
Hyundai's strike is over and Hyundai lost 700 million dollars during the strike and they couldn't build 60000 cars.
However, Hyundai & Kia's prices might go down due to low exchange rate of Japanese Yen. Since, Japanese Car price might fall, Hyundai gonna cut their price until Hyundai's price is lower than Japanese car price.
As soon as the USA plant is up and running, Hyudnai may not have to worry as much about Korean plant not running if there is a strike.
PS, i got our 1999 gls-vr loaded with everything except ABS for under $18G..or a savings of approx; $3,300 dollars, If we would have held out anouther week, I could have gotten one for $17,299 and $18Grand with ABS.
You should be able to minimally get $2000 off without bargaining at all. ($1000 for loyalty buyers and $1G off automatically just by saying so).
At Hatfield Hyundai, in Columbus ohio, they sell avg 250 Hyudnais a month;#3 in USA for sales for 5 years, #1 in midwest states.
Yes. they try to con yo, but if ya stick in there...you'll save $3G at least.
Ian...
Thanks!
First off, let me say that this car has improved so much. In so many ways, it's better than the Accord or Camry. They only had one Sonata on the lot, a Base V6 with sunroof. I couldn't believe how much the car actually had for the price. They wanted $17,999 for it, which is above MSRP, but it's cheaper than any Altima or Camry I have seen. The materials were top notch, and the cloth felt very plush. It didn't have a lot of headroom in the rear, but the car definately will be considered on my list, I like it better than the Camry, but not the new Altima. Heck, I like it better than the Accord, and that's not something that I can say very easily. I love those Hondas, but Hyundai has clearly given Honda and Toyota a run for their money. I hope Hyundais sales continue to rise, I hope they become the next Honda or Toyota because they are getting boring. The Sonata adds a lot of flavor to the mix. To all who own them, you have nice cars, they actually surpised me quite a bit. I never thought Hyundai could build a car this well.
BTW, what types of deals have you been getting on the Sonata LX? I could afford the LX, plus it has auto climate control and a power seat. Thanks in advance.
during warm up. I would suggest you drive the vehicle cold and check for this issue during the warm up process. My dealer inadvertantly forgot to bring mine as requested but prepped and delivered it hot I never thought about it and the next day when cold it was there. 3500 miles later its worse and I can't get a decent answer. Consider me an unsatified first and last Sonata LX owner
only 2 problems i have had in 2 1/2 years are as follows:
1) Engine light came on at 58,000+ miles...turned out timing belt was due to be replaced(of course, 60,000 miles is recommended) Replaced for free.
2) CD player is OOC..would cost about $100-$150 to fix it. WOn't fix it since i have aton of cassettes and the player works. The reason they won't replace i? My car has 70,000 miles, 10,000 more than warranty covers.
I may never get another one. Why? Gas mpg is 26 avg, and the Elantra(almost same size car nowadays..)gets avg 33 mpg.
If i were rich, i'd take a hi, trade in sonata or the smaller, more fun-to-drive(manuever) Elantra; like a cross between a Tiburon and the Sonata.
(sonata is nice, so is XG350, just too big for my tastes).
Our 2001 Tiburon is ok, 18,000 miles in 7 months, no problems.
Yes, I too expected to PAY, but, the district factory rep said to replace it under warranty.
So, if yours blows out at 59,999.9(and you can prove it is not your fault and get it to the dealership with this mileage) then, yes, they should have to fix it,free.
I haven't had the transmission slip problem, or any squeaks, rattles, whines, leaks, thumps, or buzzes. In fact, the only complaint I can think of is the weak driver's side floor mat clip, which constantly pops open.
One thing I'm very glad I did was replace the stock stereo with a custom installed Pioneer/Blaupunkt/Kenwood system that really rocks. Maybe that's why I don't hear any extraneous noises! ;-) It was a bear to install, but that's why I had a shop do it instead of me.
Even though the current 2002 model is a nice improvement in many ways, I'm really glad I got the 2001, which was in good supply, was easy to dicker down, and included 0.9% financing and an $800 rebate. Plus I got the moonroof, spoiler, mud flaps, keyless entry/alarm system, and etching basically free. I regret that current buyers are finding the market squeezed right now.
I look forward to many more months of happy motoring with my Ebony Star. For those of you who bought 1999 or 2000 Sonatas, good job and thank you, especially if you had a problem which resulted in Hyundai QC making an improvement. For those of you who bought a 2001, well done. I hope you're as happy as I am.
I've recently become intrigued by the Hyundai Sonata. After reading reviews, Edmunds customer posts, and newsgroup posts, I must say the car sounds quite nice.
Question for you all. I can get a 2002 LX with ABS, floor mats and a sunroof attachment (a protecter of some sorts I presume) for $18,939, right around invoice. I would assume I can get a top of the line 2001 for less than invoice though I have not researched this extensively yet.
Is it worth my time trying to get a great clearance deal on a 2001? Or am I better off just sticking with the 2002? I know this is subjective but just wondering what the feeling is on whether the 2002 is a quantum leap worth a few extra bucks?
Also, one other question. Just out of curiosity: Anyone tried to gain title to a junk heap Hyundai (for a couple of hundred dollars) in order to get the $1000 loyalty rebate?
Thanks in advance
Dave
As to the '01 vs '02 choice, remember the depreciation hit you will be taking. It had better be a darn good deal. IMO the '02 warrants the winning choice...it's simply a better car (and now for less money than my loaded '00.) Too bad about the scarcity though.
The "blue bulbs"/Xenon-type, are $3 more.
We have changed both sets, both sides, 2x in almost 2 1/2 years.
Not a bad deal. the only way i'd buy from them is if they have a sale..otherwise, they won't budge much on price.
Perhaps I shouldn't be so angry--if it looks too good to be true, it usually is.
Dave
HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL