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Well, I don't wanna speak for the Edmunds masses here, though. Do chime in, friends. :blush:
2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed
My answer anyways is well, not sure. Not until I check out the new Subaru/Toyo AE-86 coupe. :shades:
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The only Toyotas I've ever bought were used cars that happen to fit in what I was looking for - a cheap sedan for my daughter (99 Camry) and a convertible big enough for me to lug a guitar and small back seat passengers here and there (99 Celica). I bought both very used so they've both had their share of work done but nothing unusual on the Celica. The Camry had engine problems. Fixed and working fine ow but if I knew that in teh first place i'd never have gotten it.
Toyota peaked on bang for the buck at least 15 years ago so they'll have their work cut out for them. I imagine i'll buy another some day but right now folks like Subaru and Mazda interest me more.
For our SUV choice which we own a Toyota SUV the milege sucks! And Toyota has 100% said NO to the idea of a refined diesel for their large SUV's. They are trying to apply their Hybrid tech to every model they make. Which is of no value to me given my SUV does long road trips where a diesel choice would be preferred and provide a much better service over the long run.
So no my next vehicles will not be built by Toyota.
My wife OTOH has had 5 Toyota's in 10 yrs :surprise:. She wants to trade the 04 Highlander in on a Tacoma D-Cab 4WD to haul her Harley. But I'm sure that she'll want to change those shoes soon after that so I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up in the new hybrid sports car that will be hitting the streets in 3-5 yrs.
Toyota builds fantastic diesels - even very clean one's but they have the American Public so Hybrid centric and have spent soo much money on their Hybrid PR they think they can sell us their Hybrid tech even in vehicles where it is not the right application.
How did that hybrid suburban work out for GM? Last I checked it was one of their biggest loosers.
I have a beef with terrorists who originate in the middle East who attacked NYC. But I'm not going to call for their annhililation based on a group of radicals.
Ya, that would definitly be an ideal application for a diesel. And I know Toyota builds fine diesels based on a vacation with an Avensis diesel in Ireland. I'd buy that car in a heartbeat if it came here.
But, in the grand scheme of things your LC gets typical mileage for its class. Look at GM's schoolbuses (all 9 different models), my buddys Burban used to get 8mpg! 12 on a good day. The hybrid versions were dead from the start. I called it before they even made the lots, nobody who is concerned with "Going Green" or conserving energy is looking for a 3 ton SUV! That idea was so far out of touch it was laughable. Hybrid or not, it was still a BOF SUV coming from a company that thrived on selling gas pigs. I used to count 43 different models that offere a V8 in the Government Motors lineup, next something like 7 models that didn't. :sick:
Anyways, it sounds like price isn't a concern since you already own a vehicle in that price range, I thought you might have a Highlander class of vehicle.
One can always hope there is the option in the future tho!
We had a very heavy 9 passenger Diesel LC in Tanzania for two weeks we averaged 25mpg. It was also old tech and would be considered a dirty diesel
Neighbor has an 08 GL 320 CDI - he did a family road trip during Christmas break around 900 miles round trip. His logged milege at the gas pump was 27mpg! He gets 22-24mpg with mixed every day around town to work driving. That was hauling three kids - a dog and enough crap to keep three kids entertained both in and out of the car.
Back in September we took the 2001 legacy GT with a roof box on a 2500 mile family road tour three states and three weeks. Our worst highway milege was 25mpg in CA - Best was 27.5mpg in Oregon. We got 26mpg in Washington st
Washington st and Ca highway speeds were nearly identical 70-80mph. Oregon was 65-70mph. Thats with a 2.5L 5spd manual AWD sedan.
The landcruiser just spent last weekend hauling around 4 adults and two kids we averaged 11mpg.
Father inlaw is a diehard Suburban guy. His last one which he still owns 280,000 miles his new one 60,000 miles on it and he swears up and down its the biggest piece of crap he has ever owned. He gets 16mpg with the new one. The old one he got 18mpg. The 80's diesel Suburban which he owned till it turned into a pile of rust posted 21mpg. He drives like Aunt daisy so his milege numbers are a bit skewed.
We do road trip / Regattas every summer our boat is onedesign meaning its identical to the others in our fleet. Good friend tows with a sequoia the past two years same trip same boats - same road. He gets 12mpg towing I get 11mpg towing with the landcruiser. Another competitor has a taco with essentially the same V8 he gets the same milege.
Another competitor has a GM 4dr small pick up with a 5cylinder he gets 16mpg towing. Keep in mind these are racing sailboats that weigh around 2000lbs with the trailer and gear total very light.
Then we have one guy this past year showed up with a diesel X5 which will run circles around all our vehicles he was getting 25mpg and towing well beyond legal speeds when he passed two of us.
When it comes to big heavy vehicles built to haul crap or people nothing beats the diesel period.
Toyota peaked on bang for the buck at least 15 years ago so they'll have their work cut out for them.
The car choices are lacking style and something when it comes to the driving experience. IE they are too bland and boring.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
If I like the vehicle and the deal then of I would buy a Toyota.
I also don't buy this made in the USA or Japan stuff. The motoring industry is such a global enterprise you can not be sure who owns what or where the dollar is ending up.
My experience with cars that are expensive or cheap it is sometimes down to luck and whether the person on the production line is having a good day or not.
That is a great stretch of sentences that sums up GM's previous situation completely. :P
My prior history of dealing with other auto manufacturers' service centers were always excellent - BMW, Ford. I find myself in position of being leary of service repair at this particular Toyota dealership.
Now the recall - I am alarmed at the questionable integrity of Toyota for a long known problem, and their attempts to avoid and/or delayed response/s. Toyota still does not have a fix, and if you research DHSTA, multiple safety sites, etc. Toyota was aware last fall they would have to correct. Now few months later, they do recall, and they still don't have fix, and no letters have been sent to owners. Toyota has not made any public media announcement/s to help combat/inform or reassure owners/public regarding the negative publicity. Such actions do indeed lead to owner/consumer questions and dissatisfaction.
I am scared my 2006 Rav4 has issues despite being built in Japan. I have had started having minor issues over last six months intermittantly - few incidents of unexplained minor engine accelerations when attempting brake when parking vehicle(always was able to immediately brake and engine finally responded) and one time when in line at McDonald's moving at approximatley 4 mph when engine suddenly increased acceleration for unexplained reason (again managed to immediately brake to prevent hitting vehicle in front of me in line - thank goodness brakes did work, but engine still continued higher rev's for few seconds and then finally returned to idle mode). I was evaluating these issues myself for any more problems or any need to pursue service investigation. No floor mat is not the issue. No interference present. I had checked after each incident.
I fully am aware if issue is not present when chcked or vehicle can not be caused to be in that mode again problem does not exist. But problem still does exist, as I have found out in past. Presenting vehicle in that state is the problem.
I do now fully know how to stop my vehicle if I have a increase acceleration problem. I also realize now my vehicle does not have any brake over ride sytem. I had been ignorant and had felt this was always a standard feature in US. Apparently not so - and is just not Toyota. Have found several European manufacturers do though.
Will I buy another Toyota??? Since I have also dealt with other manufacturers and had great experience - I am quite leary to purchase another Toyota. I am shocked Toyota mangement has asked owners to continue driving their recalled cars. Appears DHSTA and Toyota management seem to have just endorsed any future accidents which may lead to great bodily harm and/or death. Fact is owners can not get problem fixed.
However, Ford said it had only been using the pedal in the Transit Classic model since December, with only 1,663 vehicles produced
I might consider that but with a Subaru store in the company I would probably buy the Subbie version.
French vehicles;
The safety scare may also affect the Peugeot 107 and the Citroën C1, which are built at the same Czech plant and use the same parts as the Toyota Aygo, one of eight models Toyota admitted could be defective.
A spokesman for PSA Peugeot Citroën admitted: 'The 107 and C1 may be similarly affected. We are trying to find out but at this stage cannot confirm whether they are affected.'
In the 1950's which I believe is when Toyota began to sell vehicles, the cars were of poor quality which Toyota bought back and later returned to the world market with high quality, durable cars.
I would not hesitate to purchase another Toyota.
This may be an opportunity to get a deal on a Toyota or Lexus.
As for me, I can't say I dislike Toyotas and Lexuses, but I just can't warm up to their current offerings.
When everything is gone over with a fine-toothed comb then I will feel comfortable buying a Toyota. Volvo is now owned by the Chinese who send us lead painted toys and poisoned pet food. Comfortable about that?
It's all a bit of a cross-your-fingers and hope for the best situation. This is a big dent in Toyota's reputation but they still have an opportunity to fix things. They have built excellent cars for decades so I'm not ready to throw them out although I might look at a Honda first.
Coincidentally drove past the Chevy dealer next town over and it's a graveyard there. The Ford dealer across the street? I saw one person looking at the Edge. Another GMC/P/B dealer outside Boston? ghost town. Cadillac/Hummer dealer? Nope, nobody.
If you are buying a GM vehicle, today is your day. Toyotas recall woes seem to have helped :P
Some twenty years ago Chrysler vans develped a problem with a rear latch, which the company, upon investigation by NHTSA it was found that replacing the latch would cost less that a dollar. The latch would somehow give way during movement and rear passengers fell out of the back. There were fatalities from this but Chrysler settled paying millions and survived.
My beef with Toyota is their dealers' practices. I am not saying that every dealer is crooked but after years speaking to toyota customers and reading reviews, I am yet to hear from or find an honest one. And yes, I am a toyota owner.
I'll pass.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
When they were shopping for their latest new car back in 2003, they were about ready to pull the trigger on another Camry. That is, until my dad spotted the Hyundai Sonata. They purchased a V6 GLS model for less money than a 4-cyl Camry LE.
7 years later, the Sonata has less than 30K on the clock and looks and runs like it's brand new.
Given that my folks are in their 70's, I'd say it's unlikely that they'll be buying a Toyota (or any other brand, for that matter).
If Toyota goes cheap on the tires, what else did they go cheap on?
Corolla - take a look at all the posts about the rotten Toyo tires on the $40K+ Highlander Limited. I've been looking at crossovers and while Toyota comes with these cheapie tires, the Explorer, Acadia and Enclave all come with a decent Michelin ride. Sometimes I think all the old D3 brass have moved over to Toyota because they seem to be practicing what wrecked Detroit. All they've really accomplished is making themselves have to better compete on sales price - no more quality premium like the old days. Tokyo can have morons in charge too!
A way to shake up the middle managers?
"Toyota's move to Texas comes in the wake of its crisis with sudden-acceleration incidents. Some accidents were linked to floor mats jamming the gas pedal, causing the car to accelerate out of control. Those problems started Toyota on the path to reorganization.
Toyota was slow to disclose and address the problems, but it eventually recalled millions of vehicles to fix the floor mat issue, along with another mechanical defect that caused sticking gas pedals.
A special panel convened by the automaker concluded that Toyota's management responded slowly and ineffectually to the growing sudden-acceleration crisis because it was hampered by a top-down management style that gave short shrift to customer complaints.
The automaker has worked to reorganize its management structure to address those problems and give more autonomy to its regional operations."
Toyota to move jobs and marketing headquarters from Torrance to Texas (LA Times)
I wonder what kind of bribe was passed. Going to be some culture shock...