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Pontiac Bonneville



  • h101h101 Posts: 62
    I really put my foot in my mouth over at the "Return of GM" group with an off hand remark that most taxis are domestic. Within eight hours of the post there were so many derogatory responses that I thought it must be a forum based somewhere in the Balkans. Guess I'll stick close to home from now on. :-)
  • theicemantheiceman Posts: 736
    We need you there. IMO, the Bonneville exemplifies everything that GM is doing right today. This is the car that pulled me over from the "dark side" (a.k.a my days of blind import snobbery) and with good reason: from front to back, this car is well designed and executed. Every shot fired at a Sunfire unfortunately sticks to the Bonneville and helps devalue an otherwise fine automobile. No, get back over there and do your duty. :)

  • mfahey1mfahey1 Posts: 419
    My 2000 SSEi just gave up the ghost last night. All of a sudden with no warning, it developed a no crank-no start situation as if the neutral safety switch croaked or the ignition module didn't recognize any of the keys. Called the dealer and told him to haul it off. First time since delevery (2/00) that it has been back except for the initial build issues such as leaking trunk, stalling, running rough, vibration and pulling. Oh well.
  • tpkentpken Posts: 1,108
    Wow - this is the best forum now I've seen - used to think the Lincoln LS and Maxima and Impala forums had it over us - no more! Good mix of hot rodders and more vicarious types, great discussions - fraternity feeling developing among the participants - Love it!!!

    Wayniac - I've got you recorded here buddy. Thanks for stepping up to the plate. Please participate along with the rest of us - it's the diversity and active involvement that will keep this forum from getting stale.

    Vtech - Mike - Love to see that LeSabre when you get it built the way you want. It will be worth holding onto for the long term if you get it built up.

    Ezrapon - Rod - I don't think I'll be doing any special performance mods except perhaps the K&N if I find one for the SE model. I'm satisfied with what I've got here for now - BUT - I don't want to preclude the idea of eventually moving into an SSEi for a little more FUN!

    Iceman - Dan - thanks for the links. Don't have time to check them out yet - later for certain. Didn't realize Ottowa is only 8 hours form Boston.

    That's it for now - hope everyone has a SUPERCHARGED day!

  • mlm4mlm4 Posts: 401
    I am curious. About five or six months after I took delivery of my Bonneville I received a "thank-you" gift in the mail from Pontiac - a compact disc carrying case. I guess I was expecting more, because after I bought my 1999 Tahoe, Chevy Truck sent me a very nice carrying case containing an insulated mug, a Maglite flashlight, an umbrella and a first-aid kit. Since the Bonneville was more expensive than the Tahoe, it seems like Pontiac is just being cheap. Now I know that my SSEi has that nifty trunk accessory kit, which includes a plug-in flashlight and first-aid kit. But SE and SLE models don't come with this kit.

    Other than for the gift, I have not received anything else from Pontiac - no surveys, no junk mail (Chevy is always sending me Tahoe literature, as if they think I will be replacing my truck so soon), not even a "thank you" from the dealership (and they should thank me - they don't sell very many SSEi's!). Also, I was under the impression that Pontiac published a quarterly magazine for owners, but I have never received one. I got a special edition of this magazine at the 2000 Detroit auto show, and even though some of it is sales pitch, there was some interesting content for enthusiasts too (which makes them collectable).

    Anyone with different experiences? Opinions?
  • snicklesnickle Posts: 147
    200 is the normal stock temp for the car. The Thermo is a 195 degree.

    Some of use have changed to other thermos. I use a 180.
  • tpkentpken Posts: 1,108
    OK guys - being the bashful sort of guy you all know me to be, I just couldn't resist getting my opinion posted into the GM forum mentioned above here. Looks like that's presently the hot spot for discussion - certainly controversial subject.

    Come on lurkers - voice your thoughts - it's what makes this venue so interesting and entertaining!

  • vtech83vtech83 Posts: 66
    Thanks for tip about the guts of the S/C engine. I might have to rethink this a little down the road. I didn't think there was that much difference between the two motors. Do you know of any literature I could get my hands on regarding this, besides the Helm manuals?


  • blk2001blk2001 Posts: 13
    HI GUYS;
  • dmckeowndmckeown Posts: 107
    Cool tunes man, your car looks like my 93 on the outside, but mine has the SLE package gray leather/sunroof treatment (and stock CD player)
    When I put a Thrasher engineering cold air induction kit in my 2000 SSEi I took the slip in K&N filter out . I was going to put it in my wifes 99 Grand Prix but as I was walking over to it in the driveway I noticed my 93 Bonneville was closer so I put it in that, so she didn't get it and doesn't really care cause her 3800 Ser 2 is more then she needs. But it perked up my 93 Bonnie with its 170 HP ser. 1 a bit. Same filter fits them all as far as I see it and its worth it!
  • dmckeowndmckeown Posts: 107
    Ezrapon pretty much hit it , there are a lot of diff. in the engines below the blower. Besides what he mentioned the heads are diff, fuel injection ports are in the heads on the L67's. Now if you like the looks of the 2000/2001 SE Bonneville or Lesaber but want the bigger HP punch the best way to go is get a super charged 3800 (L67) with transmission and PCM from a 2000/2001 SSEi and drop it in.
    Actually get it on the sub frame and it bolts UP in.
    This way car looks like a 205 HP SE or Lesaber but with the 3.25 dia. pulley, 180 deg term and CAI it goes like a 300 HP modified SSEi, that will really hurt the BMW guys snoby feelings. Got to get the whole package to make it work right.
    If any one gets serious I have just such a package in my garage, came out of my 2000 SSEi. I thought about getting a 2000 SE for just such a reason, could hurt a GTP's reputation when you walk him from a light! But I think I have to get another SSEi.
    I have been pretty busy at work but every once in awhile get the chance to check this site, sure is more active now. I haven't replaced my SSEi yet, hopefully soon. I could not pass up a real estate deal here on the lake so it may be a few months, land, they don't make it anymore you know! Like girls I should have got more when I was younger
  • bdreggorsbdreggors Posts: 143
    When I bought my Bonnie back in October, my dealer gave me some gourmet coffee and this nifty little pen/pencil set (with the dealer's logo engraved, of course!). Haven't gotten anything from Pontiac or GM, except for the monthly 'gift' from GMAC...I'd like to send THAT one back! :)
  • tpkentpken Posts: 1,108
    Those people are just raving lunatics over there - must be road rage day. Better watch out on the way home - definitely do not want to cross their path!

  • mfahey1mfahey1 Posts: 419
    Oh,the shame and suffering of watching my beloved Bonneville disappear hooked up to a tow truck. Turned out to be the ignition module. I think I feel better when they said that they had not had one of the new Bonnevilles in with this problem. Of course, they didn't have one so I get to wait awhile until they do. Passed on the Sunbird loaner. I know the service manager reasonably well and asked him about the warranty if I changed the pulley. His answer was what I expected it to be in that the warranty is voided if in their judgement, the alteration contributed to whatever the problem was.
    Nice to have you back, Doug. Thought you had abandoned us.
  • theicemantheiceman Posts: 736
    I had this exact same problem - i.e. you get accessory/perimter lights but no ignition. I was able to get it started by taking the key and waving it all over the dash before I tried to start. AND THAT WORKED. It turned out that it was the ignition module. I had posted this problem back around post #600 or so.

    It was a simple replacement but it took them a few days to get the part in. The worst part of it was that this happened to me the day I took delivery AND they subsequently fessed up that there was a TSB out on these ignition modules. They put me in a nice '01 Regal while I was "inconvenienced" and they've promised me a remote starter as "compensation". I'm not crazy about those gadgets so I'll probably try to barter for sumptin else.

  • boosted1boosted1 Posts: 90
    Thanks for info snickle.

    Its been a while since I have had a temp gauge with numbers on it. I just wanted to make sure that everthing was O.K. (new car jitters)

    Thanks again.
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    Those import freaks are a real pain in the A**!!!
  • smfransmfran Posts: 432
    I used to get a free Pontiac magazine. I wonder why it stopped.

    The K+N part No. for the 2000 Bonneville is: MM33-2086.

    It's great to see that dmckeown is still out there. Even though his 2000 bit the dust, I mean deer, he still is a Bonneville owner.
  • jashoujashou Posts: 18
    I am thinking about installing a 3.5 Pulley. What kind of performance increase should I expect? And are there any negatives in doing this?
  • boosted1boosted1 Posts: 90
    I saw this on ebay and thought I would pass it along. I will call pontiac tomorrow and see if I can get one for 2001. (I don't think its worth paying for one on ebay)

  • mackacmackac Posts: 3
    OK,guys, I know you all love your Bonnie's. My husband and I love the performance and handling of our 2000 SSEi, too. However, having been GM high-end owners for the last 30+ years (ouch! the ages !) we have repeatedly voiced our displeasure to GM about the road noise and air noise in the 2000 Bonnie and other GM unibody models.

    Really, how can you totally enjoy driving along at 60+ mph when the air and road noise can't be drowned out by the radio? Before this we had a 1989 Delta Royale Broghum with 199,732 miles on it which gave us an absolute SILENT ride--no outside noise. THAT WAS LUXURY

    For $34,000 + we should all expect the same. If enough of us tell GM about this, MAYBE they'll do something.

    Oh, and I agree about the cupholders. Also, Pontiac stopped sending us the quarterly letter after I wrote them about the noise issue; thought maybe they took us off the mailing list, but no one else is getting the mag either????
  • ezraponezrapon Posts: 348
    I am in Destin (without the SSEl) for spring break. Internet access is real expensive from my condo so I have to hold off getting into the GM fray for now. I'll put my 2 cents in Saturday when I get home to St. Louis. ICEMAM: I did take a few moments to spank yodog on the other site... I feel sooooooo bad! Good to see the deer hunter post again! Why not drop that monster into an old 88 park ave. (electra) T-Type if you can find one... what a sleeper.
  • theicemantheiceman Posts: 736
    Picking up my kids at daycare last night, one of their friends calls over to me as she's getting into her car - "my dad loves your car...he thinks it's really nice". I replied that I agreed with her dad and that he must be a very smart man with a keen eye for automobiles. "Oh yes", she says, "he's always pointing out cars and telling me what engine they have and things like that but he really likes your car." By this time, the old man is looking a little sheepish but I pursued and asked the little girl if she knew what engine was in the Bonnie. You know what? she got it right - she even knew that mine wasn't supercharged! 8 yrs. old! Their car is the last of the line rwd Olds Cutlas Supreme - I think with the 307 under the hood. Just the beginnings of rust in the traditional places. That car doesn't owe him a thing.

    Anyway, it brought a smile to my day - hope it does something for you guys.

  • scottnsc1scottnsc1 Posts: 16
    I picked up my new Bonnie on Wed. and then yesterday we received about 2 inches or rain. When I popped the trunk this morning about 2 cups of water came out from under the lining of the trunk lid. It poored down directly on a portable CD player I had back there. I hope this is not a sign of things to come.

    I had seen a mention earlier of leaky trunks. Does anyone know if there is a repair that can be done or do I just need to keep a couple of towels in the trunk?

    Other than that I love the car. I get lots of compliments, and it is a blast to drive.
  • tpkentpken Posts: 1,108
    Hi Karen - haven't heard from you since September when you responded to my request for info as I was evaluating Bonnevilles and others. Now that I'm firmly encamped here in Bonneville land I'm compiling a list of forum participants and the basic specs on their Bonnevilles. What color is your 2000 SSEi? What interior and equipment?

    Your comment about noise is well taken - I do notice wind noise and the whooshing you refer to and at times wonder if it is the same as what the LeSabre people were referring to as a kazoo sound. Compared to my old flying brick Grand Marquis though - this is a vast improvement!

    BTW - Karen - did you ever live in NH? If not I know your namesake.

  • snicklesnickle Posts: 147
    I don't find the road noise bad at all in my 2000 SSEi. A little drone from my exhaust mods, but not bad at all. The Car and Driver review of the car even commented on how quiet it was.
  • tpkentpken Posts: 1,108
    Yes - I've changed my mind - this forum can continue to be the interesting central point but the owner's club is a good place to post threads of problems etc. I also like the idea of the chat time and would love to go live with you guys.

  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    Is a great idea. I don't see why the Bonneville guys reject it at first...
  • theicemantheiceman Posts: 736
    I think we needed to see the advantages of the owner's club. I'm still not ENTIRELY convinced but it is a no lose from the perspective that this thread will remain where it is & will also be accessible through the club. Plus, that will allow us to put related links in one neat place. Oooh, how about the Return of GM's Might thread? Just kidding - don't worry, I haven't lost my mind (I mean, not just yet).

    Saw a black SSEi with Chrome wheels - pulled into the parking garage in my building right in front of me this morning. We have a few investment firms and high-priced consultants in our building so there are some nice autos (new Volvo coupes, Boxsters, Z3's and the like). Not too many 2001's. I wonder why....

  • skyhawk3skyhawk3 Posts: 42
    I have a 2001 and the wind noise is not noticeable until I am way over the speed limit. I opened my trunk in the morning after heavy rain and the accumulated beaded water on the trunk lid ran off into the trunk compartment as I lifted the lid. Other wise it has been dry. I have received no magazine or gifts from Pontiac, only a questionaire and a reminder two days later to fill it out.
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