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though, the cheap vw velour is a good point.
ps - check this out: http://www.cadillac.com/escalade/index_mac.htm
:-)
To all potential buyers: the back seat is useless except for children. I rarely have anybody in the back seat so this isn't much of an issue for me.
This car is fun to drive and is very comfortable when just cruising. But I will most likely try to unload it before the warranty expires. Spending $261 to replace a broken window regulator is not the kind of crap I want to put up with. If this is a common problem with Jettas, WV should cover the cost even after the warranty. To be fair, 2002 VWs are suppose to have 4 year/50K warranty. But this doesn't help me.
fpgt93 - check out the Passat V6 - its bigger, wider and has more power. or you can buy an SUV.
As for a/c in Houston, I usually just drive with the windows down. I also leave my house at 82-84 degrees. I find that the reason everyone here hates the heat is because they over-air condition everything. By driving with windows down, and leaving my house warmer, I am not all that uncomfortable when i'm outside. I only put a/c on in the car when the wimpy texans that cant handle the heat start whining.
Of course my friends, with their houses at 60-65 degrees think I'm crazy. But my electric bill is $60/month at its highest and theirs run $250-$400 per month in the summer!
As I pointed out for another person a few days agao, just because the Jetta VR6 is priced near an Accord, that does not make them competitors. The cars are in two different classes. They are designed for different niche groups. Price is NOT the determining factor in declaring a class. Mercury Grand Marquis are also 23k, guess you should cross shop that too?
As for the 6 cylinder v. 1.8T...I'd agree about the RPM but then again I found the VR6 to be too nose heavy.
Instead, we'd be happy to have you can post a link to articles of interest (assuming it is okay with the host site of course).
Thanks.
Pat
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town hall site...it is not fair to you JETTA lovers out there. My apologies.
You won't hear me griping on this site again....
Piceno
Above link is an article about the VW TDI and the strong sales of VW Jetta TDI and other VW TDI's.
Don't bother to read it if you are not the least bit interested in diesels.
The deciding factors for the Jetty were:
1. German "road feel" and handling. While the Accord is quick and handles very well, the feedback you get while driving seems to be "translated" to the driver in a very subdued way. With the Jetty, you feel as though you are more directly driving the car. I hope this doesn't sound too "out there".
2. Price and dealer attitude. Much more bang for our buck with Jetta. Also the Honda dealers in our area (Southern California) are very smug.
I guess we'll find out in the long run if we made the right move, but for now it really is a neat car to drive.
TDI's were sold in CA in 2001. You can buy a TDI out of state and register it in CA or NY. Oddly enough, both states exempt diesel from emissions testing and require emissions testing for gasoline cars.
The TDI is a unique car with performance comparable to the 2.0 and superior mileage.
The higher cost of the TDI and frequent timing belt changes on the auto (every 40K) are important factors to be aware of when comparing the TDI to other VW's or other makes.
In the past, when searching for a new car I did not have access to this wealth of information. Car reviews were available, but I now have access to the opinions of people who are looking into buying certain cars as well as owners of those cars. Hearing the comments of hundreds of people who have bought a car you are interested in is very helpful.
I visited this site as well as others looking for comments, good or bad, about this car. I read many useful opinions and ownership experiences, and thought that others might genuinely appreciate reading my thoughts about this car. They may be in the market for a new car and my opinions might help them made a decision.
It certainly was not my intention to complain about the car and hurt anybody's feelings. I don't own one so I have nothing to complain about. Since I am not going to buy a Jetta, I doubt I will have much more to say in this forum. But, I won't hold back my comments simply because you or anyone doesn't like them. I suggest that if you are upset by something someone has written you simply take a deep breath and move on to the next message.
It's about the size of a brick and works awesome! We have pets, so our Jetta gets hammered by cat fur and lint and just a few swipes from The Lint Brick (as we call it) and the seats are perfectly clean and presentable. We have used all the others and this one really works great.
As for gas mileage and the use of A/C, I see obmot's comments of riding with the windows down and the facts are that you'll get better milage with the windows UP and the A/C ON than riding with the windows down.
Your aerodynamics get all hosed with the windows down and the A/C's these days don't use all that much energy like they did many years ago. Just a tip for ya there, obmot. ;-)
-Jim
http://www.jettaownersclub.org
http://www.bluelagoonjetta.com
Got it for 500 over invoice. 298 a month with 3500 down. Not a bad deal. They have a promotion going on right now with a pretty good residual. Email me with any quesitions. Looks like the entire economy is slowing down. The guys came in with 500 over invoice very easily. We did the whole thing over the phone.
When I get back from Turkey, I can pick up an '88-91 Golf for under one G to drive for 6 mos. until we move to England. The military only pays for shipping one car, and I can again pick up a cheapie there to commute in for three years - then buy a sweet German (or Swedish) car just before we return stateside!! Gotta love that European military sales program!
Currently the 2001 WE v. the VR6 you see a few issues. The VR6 has more power than a WE, about 20 more HP officially in the 01 models. But the VR6 is nose heavy and depending on your driving style, the VR6 could become annoying when you corner. My experience with VR6 is not pleasant. On a side note some claimthat the WE 1.8T engine is a AWW Model, thus making somewhere around 160-165 HP. Don't know if it's true. Dynos at vwvortex seem to show the wE sports a more powerful 1.8T than VW admits to.
INKY
Have the rotors checked, try the Mintex pads, and make sure the lugs are not being overtightened as this can cause rotor problems. I think the correct amount of torque is somewhere between 80-90lb/ft.
You have to understand where I'm comming from (8cyl firebird with a 5 speed tranny) so I was very impressed by the jetta.
The only thing that I felt a little uneasy about was the clutch. My Firebird has a very stiff clutch and you need a heavy foot to operate it. The dealer told me that since the jetta clutch was hydrolic I would get used to the "light" feeling of it.
Now for the price, he quoted me about 20K for the we without moonroof or any other option which is a bit on the steep side considering the car should only cost about 18 and change.
Man what a great car!!!
$20K for WE with no options is WAY too high.
Also, try Carsdirect.com. In my area the fully equipped WE goes for 19312, which is less than invoice.
thanks
tires, and sport suspension"....
Edmund's also fails to acknowledge Port Prep = $25 & FloorPlan Interest Reserve = $92
which appears on Every Invoice, for Every Car, for Every Dealer, in Every State in the US.
Thus rendering their Invoice Price on Every Volkswagen... INVALID!!!!
Go Figure!
how to run their business...I guess I am just old fashioned and have a little class...
INKY
site for consumers; their refusal to acknowledge these fees perplexes me
greatly...
As for cars, it's established this area and electronics we can beat the seller down to reach a price we're both happy with. Actually, car negotiating is really the best way to gauge the personal valuation of a product, much as auctions do the same. The seller has a minimum profit/loss he's willing to take and the buyer has a maximum value he places on the desired object. The agreed upon price obviously reflects both parties are satisfied enough to make the transaction. It's beautiful thing, negotiation.
Class? When it comes to business, class has nothing to do with finding products for a price you're happy with. If you're willing to let someone make extra profit off you, then you have personal valuation that may exceed another person's. That doesn't mean you have more class. It may be a sign that you're just less willing to negotiate over $50. To each his own.
Yep, buying and selling of vehicles is a darn strange business.
With VWoA it can be stranger than most, called VWoA one week prior to seeing the first 2002 on local dealer lot, asked them what the warranty would be on 2002's and was given story that no details had been finalized. VWoA lied to me.
VWoA website lists Jetta Wagon TDI's as available in 2002. Local dealer is adamant that there will be no TDI in Jetta Wagon in 2002.
In Europe you order your VW exactly the way you want it, in USA most dealers of makes other than VW have a large amount of stock and you buy what you want from dealer stock, VW in USA does not allow dealers to order what they want, and the number of cars in stock is very few.
Plus, cars are a very select market. You can't (in most areas) go to ten different places to get the same thing. Usually, especially with WV, there is one choice only. There is really no competition except between models. If you want a specific model, there is a monopoly on that model and the buyer has only one option. For me, I am willing to shop in a 150-mile radius just to find a dealer that's up front and polite. If dealers really wanted to turn the tables and increase their profit margins they would combine and pressure the auto makers to lower their margins. It seems that dealers let auto makers take advantage of them and dictate too much to them. Without dealers, they would have no way to sell their products.
As mentioned, one VW dealership in an area can use its monopoly to their advantage. Heck there are 5 or six in my area and I don't trust any of them. All claim the suspension kit takes 5-6 hours to install. Thieves.
If the manufacturer ran the repair shops we'd at least get one source responsible. Currently if you have a problem with a franchise VW shrugs it off. If the parent company ran them, they'd be responsible.
all dealers suck....they are middle men...they mark up a vehicle 1-4 grand just for picking up a phone or ordering through a computer...its not like they went out personally and got the car for you then test drove it to make sure all is well...they just sell you what ever they get, and pretend it was an amazing and complicated find, when in reality they always know who has what cause its on the COMPUTER!
and if everyone would just wait a bit and not try to be the first to buy a new model and wait for manufacturing to get up to speed no one would ever pay over sticker.
if you pay over sticker your an idiot...period.
ooh, i feel better now.
-Jim
http://www.jettaownersclub.org
2001...There was no increase in Base Price in 2001 from 2000...Additionally,
for 2002 there is No Increase on any of the options...Lux. PKG., etc.
I have never heard of a $250 *Service Fee*...The PDI(Pre-Delivery Inspection) is
paid for by VWOA...It is done by EFT or Electronic Funds transfer to the Parts Dept.
Being in Calif. the Heater is an issue that I am totally unfamiliar with, but it sounds
like it would probably be a better idea to simply take the car as is, and have the
Service Dept. take care of it before Winter or late Fall.
Registration Fees very from State to State...A call to your local DMV office will get
you the correct answer concerning that issue. Document Fees are set by each dealer..
For example, we charge $45 to process all of the DMV paperwork for our customers. When
a customer drives their new car home it has a valid Calif. Reg., and the Plates and &
paperwork are sent directly to their home...Other dealers charge $100...it all depends on
the store...
It would probably be in your best interest to make calls to Fairbanks VW and Evergreen
in Juneau, and tell them what you are looking for, and get some feedback...a little
competition will assist you in getting a level playing field even though the geopraphical
differences are substantial...you will only have to make the trip once, or not all, if Eero
makes you a more acceptable offer...
Hope this has been helpful...
Your engine takes just under 5 quarts.
Z-man