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BMW 3-Series 2005 and earlier



  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152

    You are so correct; on paper they do look almost the same. However, when I stuck my kids in the rear, booster seats and all, they clearly had more room when the front seat was set for my preferences.

    As for goodies, the most obvious are the dual climate control (I like it cold, my wife likes it warm, classic battle of the sexes), and MUCH upgraded audio system when compared to the HK, said audio system is also integrated into the OBC, using the display for other stuff besides the Audio program. I cannot remember off the top of my head what the others are, those two are the most important to me, I will update y'all when I remember.


    I caught your initial oblique reference, I just thought that salt might be used on an on going basis as a PC mnemonic for your word of preference.

    Also, when I was in the USMC (Uncle Sams' Misguided Children), when you referred to someone as an "Old Salt", you could easily have used something else in place of "Salt", respectfully of course. ;-)

    Best Regards,
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I suspect that I might be a little on the young side compared to the folks I see driving them around here.

    Best Regards,
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,260
    Don't be suprised if certain hosts send you an email regarding your use of language. Its part of the TH membership agreement that we all throughly read and electronically signed as a member. I just know because I've gotten a few.

    Regarding the M3 break-In in Europe. Yes If you just plan to keep the car for a year and sell it then by all means go to Europe, and beat the salt out of it. 105mph isn't too shabby i guess. You'd probably get funny looks from the guy in the 320d (diesel) passing you on the autobahn wondering why you're going so slow!

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Infiniti G37x Q40 AWD

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,260
    I like substituting salt (no pun intended) for you know what. I'm going to try and do it in my every day vocabulary as I do tend to curse way too much.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Infiniti G37x Q40 AWD

  • tenet1tenet1 Posts: 354
    I agree with using "salt" instead of the intended word. I just wasn't thinking at the time.

    So far, I am having a pretty salty day!!
  • derprofiderprofi Posts: 250
    Having done an ED in the past few months, I can tell you it's tough (as in self-restraint) but certainly not impossible to keep the car reigned in during the break-in period. Considering that said M-class and owner are likely meeting for the first time, it's probably better that they get to know each other at or below 105mph anyway. However, it's not hard at all to hit 1200 miles over a 2-week period, leaving plenty of time and miles to run your M the way it was designed to be run without worrying about whether you're "beating the salt" out of it.

    PS, my 330i got passed by a Smart car on several occasions and my ego didn't take too bad of a hit :)

    As for the obscenity thing, I think it's a pity we have to concern ourselves with the occasional use of 4-letter words to spice things up. Who do we think we're protecting anyway? Kids? I don't know about you guys and gals, but by 2nd grade I could give most sailors a run for their money in the cussin' department!
  • ccotenjccotenj Posts: 610
    "Considering that said M-class and owner are likely meeting for the first time, it's probably better that they get to know each other at or below 105mph anyway."

    this is quite possibly the wisest piece of advice that has ever been posted on this thread...

    triple digit speeds have a way in resulting in really really bad situations, especially:
    1) with a driver that is untrained at that speed.
    2) in a car they've never driven before.
    3) in a car that has performance that they likely have never felt before.

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,260
    I was also assuming a short 4 day trip in which 2 of the days were used for travel and 2 days with the car.

    Your advice is wise as well.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Infiniti G37x Q40 AWD

  • derprofiderprofi Posts: 250
    Chris, I assure you...any similarity between my postings and wise advice is purely coincidental!

    nyccarguy, if you ever do ED do yourself a favor and shoot for a stay of 10-14 days. You won't regret it!
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Posts: 2,698
    Our language is evolving. We have to give it a name - maybe Edmundese?

    Shipo, you will definitely be one of the younger 5-series owners. And one of the youngest by heart especially!!
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Posts: 2,698
    "This car does everything, has everything in it, and on top of that drives better than it ever did before" Chris Bangle, BMW Design Chief.

    All true but I am beginning to wonder if he's actually seen the car... I suspect if he had, it would look much better than that. I hope they don't carry that design down to the 5- and 3-series but if the spy pictures of the redesigned 5 are any indication, I may be hoping in vain.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,260
    Especially if I buy my next car (If I decide to go with a 325Ci) because I've got an excel chart worked out here on my computer and with a variety of options the ED car I've priced out (ED Invoice + $1,500 excluding taxes) anywhere from $29,095 to $30,845. If I priced out the same car for US delivery it comes out to $32,295 to $34,220. I would like to go to Europe with my girlfriend in the fall. I do get only a limited amount of vacation time from my job so I may only be able to do a week. Given my short time constraints in Europe, do you all have any suggestions of what the "must sees" are? Thanks!

    PS: I know I set myself up for some snide comments telling you all that I've got this worked out on an excel spreadsheet!

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Infiniti G37x Q40 AWD

  • is used in hawaii to mean in a bad mood, ticked off, that sort of thing.
    in case there is someone here, or more than someone, who didn't know that and did care.
  • ben__ben__ Posts: 13
    In January, we had a new M3 in for some major repairs. The owner was complaining that the engine was running really rough and that the rear end felt awful with wierd vibrations. The vehicle was about 3 months old and had something like 2200 miles on it -- not an unreasonable amount of driving.

    The owner was requesting a buy-back at this point, and all things being equal, we probably would have done it. But there were some key facts the owner must have forgotten to mention...

    We had the technician do a full interrogation of the engine computer (called the DME, if anyone wants to know) and discovered some interesting stuff. He had the DME reprogrammed to remove the fuel cutoff so that he could rev pretty much as high as he wanted to. The logs showed that the highest he had ever revved the engine was something like 8700 rpm, which probably would not have accounted for this damage if he hadn't held it at that engine speed for almost 8 minutes.

    The managers decided not to go ahead with the buy-back...
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    I own both a '98 540iM and a '00 323iA (with Premium Pkg). Both have sunroofs. They are very similar in regard to trunk space (both are much more useable and functional than the 11 CF rating, since they are shaped well and use the space-saving multi-link design) and interior room. The 5 Series seems more luxurious in look and feel. Front seats are thicker. And it is heavier. But I don't notice a lot of interior room differences. I'm 6'2" about 185 pounds. Both are equally roomy. Does seem like the 5 Series is a bit wider inside. Both seats equally wide, but the tunnel in middle is wider in 5 than 3. Seems like I'm a bit closer to spouse in her 3 than she is to me in my 5.
  • postoakpostoak Posts: 537
    Uhoh, Big Brother is watching! LOL

    Those interior room figures given earlier for the 3 and 5 are amazing, almost unbelievable. Why/how could the 5-series have less rear-leg room? The 5 is, what, about 12" longer than the 3? They must have used that extra length in the trunk and hood. But, shipo, you said your perception was that the 5 definitely had more leg room in the rear. I think there must be some explanation we haven't thought of.
  • dl7265dl7265 Posts: 1,381
    I had a 528i loaner for a service for a a/c compressor clutch for about 3 weeks.i worried on the way home that my standard 2 bay garage would not hold it. Suprise when i pulled in an exited it was like i had more room !! Could this be possible ?? well after quickly refering to the brochures i had i realized there is only the 2 more cubic feet, but what made it seem smaller was the lack of the fender flairs that the 3 has.

    After 3 weeks i concluded that even with the additional weight that the 528i had the 2.8 felt way more powerful , thus nixing any plans for a 525i with less power.

  • ds2k1ds2k1 Posts: 101
    Mental note - don't remove the fuel cut-off and redline for more than 7 minutes at a time. Got it.

    As Bugs Bunny would say, "What a maroon."
  • postoakpostoak Posts: 537
    Well, not quite, but I've bought my airline tickets and booked 3 nights at the hotel Uhland (derprofi).

    Does anyone have hotel recommendations for Freiburg, Heidelberg, Bielefeld, and/or Amsterdam? Something in the $70-$100 range -- with atmosphere but private WC/SHOWER/BATH?
  • I own a 00 323 and it has been running rough, even set a misfire code on cylinder #4 3 times. The dealer can't seem to find a problem and is suggesting bad gas...

    anyone had any problems similar to this?
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    jager561... Won't hurt to run some tankfuls of the best stuff you can find. Stick with one type at one location. I swear by Amoco Ultimate (the clear premium fuel) in my 540iM and 323iA. Highest octane available in my area. And I live in a small town and know the owner of the local Amoco station (and most of its employees). So I trust their family. If they used bad gas, their reputation and business would be ruined.
  • seivwrigseivwrig Posts: 388

    Were you going 65 mph? I don't remember a Smart car been able to go over 80 mph. Last time, I was in Germany (about two years ago), it seemed as though my brother was now let anything pass us but BMWs and MB. It seems as though you don't realise how fast 90 mph is until to you get to The Netherlands. Not a cool place to go speeding and the roads are too congested.

    I still get flashbacks of driving downhill thru Liege at 90 mph only to find a traffic light at the bottom of the mountain.


    Every gone thru Liege??? Who designed the road? My wife said it reminded her of the state of Washington or Colorado. The scenery is nice but it is hell on brakes.
  • thanks for the suggestion riez... I agree with you completely...

    I have been buying Shell premium, since I bought the car, usually from one of two stations, the station I use most is the same one the dealer uses. On the dealers suggestion I tried dry gas no help... and running it down to fumes to refill a whole new fresh tank... same problem though.

    The problem has been going on for several months. I love the car but this is driving me nuts.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    There is a flaw on how rear legroom statistics are posted for cars. Said statistics are measured with the front seat ALL OF THE WAY BACK. If you look at the 3er, it seems to have 0.2" more back seat leg room, however, the 5er has 0.3" more front legroom, if you set the front seat the same on both cars, the 5er will actually have 0.1" more rear legroom. In itself, not much, however, I am only 5'8", so in the 5er, with its greater headroom, I can have the front seatback more vertical without hitting my (thinning) hair on the headliner, which also yields more legroom (foot room for my kids).

    Another thing that I have noticed, on the older E39 5ers, the back of the front seat was a continuous arc from left to right, on the 2001 and later 5ers, I have noticed a relief sculpted into either side of the back of the front seats, offering more room for the legs/knees/feet of the rear seat passengers. Given that the center spine of the backs of the front seats is still the same distance from the front of the back seats, the measurement has not changed, but there seems to be a little more room on the later cars.

    All that said, there is certainly not as much difference in interior space as between the C320 (1.1” LESS total legroom than a 330i) and E320 (1.5” MORE total leg room than a 530i) Mercedes-Benz cars, where the E320 has 2.7” more total legroom than the C320. Would I like an inch or two more legroom in the 530i, YES, do I NEED more legroom in the 530i, well, no, not really. Maybe the new E60 5-Series will find an inch or two for the back seat, but, if it ultimately hits the streets “Bangleized”, no thanks, I’ll keep my 2002.

    Best Regards,
  • rjg96rjg96 Posts: 58
    I understand what you're saying about seat height and the additional legroom that it frees up. I'm also a little over 5 8", but I've found that raising the seat (in any car), is only effective up to a certain point because it begins to impede on comfort ( you can't see the instruments clearly, your feeet aren't postioned to rest comfortable on the pedals and dead pedal, armrests are too far away etc). On my 3, if I raised the seat to the point where my head was touching the ceiling, I wouldn't be comfortable driving. Maybe I'm doing something wrong-- but do you find this w/ the seats in the top position-- or is it a compromise you make to accomodate your kids?
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Maybe I overstated the situation to make a point, being the driver, I believe that it is my responsibility to be as comfortable and as alert as possible. That said, a similarly comfortable position for me in the two cars, yields at least an inch more foot room for my kids feet in the 530i when compared to my 328i.

    Best Regards,
  • Thanks for the info. You REALLY know your NaCl about a lot of subjects. Now I understand why the price of our tickets was relatively close. North Pole here we come!

    Our SAS flight gets in @ 4:15pm so we'll overnight in Munich. Any recommendations for a reasonable hotel ?

    We do like to bike and, time permitting, we'll take you up on your recommendation. I haven't done much research yet so I don't have a good feel for distances in Europe. I'm hoping 10 days will be enough to get down to Italy and back without being rushed. Ciao and have a great time in Paris & Stuttgart.

    POSTOAK Thanks for your help with ED posts. Your info. saved me a lot of money and put me in the driver's seat, as it were. When are you going? We're to arrive on April 18th(late) for a 19th delivery. Where's the Hotel Uhland?
  • I looked up the lease incentives on Edmunds. They seemed very reasonable for a 3 series, but when I called to two different dealerships they told me those numbers couldn't be right. Any suggestions on how to clarify what lease incentives BMW is actually offering?
  • nobeenobee Posts: 194
    Everyone, I've been here over a couple of years now and I have found a couple of great places to stay while in Europe. The hotels affiliated with Accor Hotels has some of the best rooms and services for the buck.
    Another brand I highly recommend is SRS SRS is another high quality brand of hotels that can be had for a great price via the internet.
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