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  • javadocjavadoc Member Posts: 1,167
    Mark, from where I come from... oil is liberated... from the ground. ;)

    I just tanked up w/ 17gallons of processed and oxygenated Brontasaurus (now with Techron!), in Mochavan, at lunch <much needed content>.

    Hey, what is this? I'm seeing alot of old timers around here...
  • mlbaron27mlbaron27 Member Posts: 3
    The dealership got back to us today kissing our feet because three trys and your a lemon... Our problem is a sensor with the transmission.. Not cool when you spend sooooo much money on a new car and you need a van to go everywhere when you have 5 children.. Thanks.... Melissa
  • acedriveracedriver Member Posts: 131
    I just found out that I am eligible for the S-plan pricing because we are listed under the Ford Partner Recognition program. To anyone who bought their MPV using the S-plan:

    Did you get the S-plan price *AND* the dealer/customer cash rebates ? (like the $2000 rebate)

    Did the dealer show you the detailed invoice price breakdown of the vehicle ? Can you post the figures here ?

    I think the FordPartner site listed the S-plan price as the E-plan (Mazda Employee Price)+ 4.5%. Is that true ?
  • lsinclsinc Member Posts: 270
    I bought my MPV under the S-Plan AND received the $2,000 cash back. I chose the cash over the 0% financing. To the best of my knowledge, they have to show you their invoice when buying under the S-Plan.

    Yes, we got a breakdown of the figures.

    Invoice Amt.

    $20,888.00 before options
    $24,819.00 after options including $520 Transportation

    Retail Amt.

    $22,600.00 before options
    $27,085.00 after options including $520 transportation fee

    Under the S-Plan we paid

    $24,367.00

    $452.00 under dealer invoice

    Now I'm not sure if you are trading in anything but they didn't want to give in much on the trade in. We got $1,800 for my Villager. It was a '95 with 103,000k on it. I could have gotten a little more selling it myself but it's such a hassle.

    If you need anymore info. just let me know.

    Lsinc
  • javadocjavadoc Member Posts: 1,167
    So, you paid the $24,367, less the $2000, right?
  • bottgersbottgers Member Posts: 2,030
    I was told the S-Plan price for our LX with 4 seasons, rear air, DVD, and roof rack would be $23,700. This price does not include any cash back at time of delivery. If they still have the $2K cash back, I will take it. I think $21,700 for a brand new MPV is pretty darn good price.
  • lsinclsinc Member Posts: 270
    Yes, exactly. 24,367 minus the 2,000 then they add on dealer conveyance fee 189.00 plus sales tax 6% in CT 1,271.52 then Reg., title and a fee to file the lien. After that they deduct your trade in or down payment.

    I think on paper, it's going to all total back up to the MSRP so that the dealership get's the balance from the Ford Partner Recognition Program.

    I hope I'm making sense? The bottom line is, yes the $2,000 is deducted off of the S-Plan amount.

    My brain is smoking from all of this. LOL!

    Lsinc
  • lsinclsinc Member Posts: 270
    I think the $2,000 is Dealer Cash Back. I don't think it's from Mazda. Either way, it's still a good deal. I'll keep my fingers crossed that you get the cash back as well!! =o )

    Lsinc
  • dannyyodannyyo Member Posts: 14
    I have a '03 MPV LX with the Stereo Control on the Steering Wheel. Anyhow, the scan button scans the radio from one station to the next station with a decent frequency station. I'm wondering if I can have it set to scan to the next "preset" (one of the six in the memory) station. My Honda accord does this and I love it. But on the MPV it really frustrates the hell out of me. I've looked at the manual for it and it says that "the scan button will scan the preset radio stations". Either I'm missing something or it's broken. Help....I'm hoping someone has an answer to this, otherwise I'll end up calling the dealer for an answer. I know I'm lazy, I don't want to extend my arm and press one of the 6 buttons. :)
  • poor_billpoor_bill Member Posts: 6
    And you'll have to be extending your arm. I was kinda surprised/bummed to find this out on mine too. This and the baseball bat for a gearshift are my only gripes about this vehicle.
  • kdt82002kdt82002 Member Posts: 2
    Also, I wish the mute button on the steering wheel was a "down" button instead. There is an "up" button but there's no down button. It would be nice to back up the current track or earlier tracks on the cd player. Also, have you noticed that the steering wheel buttons don't respond if you push them too fast? For example, if you are on track 1 of a cd and you want to go to track 10, you cannot repeatedly push the 'up" button very quickly to get to track 10. YOu must do it slowly. But you can skip to track 10 very fast if you us the "up" button on the radio.
  • acedriveracedriver Member Posts: 131
    Thanks for the S-plan answers. Since it is already late into the 2003 year, the 2004 MPV should be coming soon. Does anyone have an input if anything is changing for 2004 ??
  • tomj5tomj5 Member Posts: 209
    I got the Vin# April 2. The dealer told me at that time the car was on the boat and was due end of April. End of April came and no car. Dealer had no clue where it was. Mazda Corp found it at OXnard having stuff installed. And said it was due at dealer 2 week of May. It came in as they said.
    I sounds like your car has not made it on the boat yet. Be sure to check back with Corp in a week as they suggested. It sounds to me like when car is placed on the boat you are looking at 6 weeks before delivery...
    Good luck
    TJ
  • bottgersbottgers Member Posts: 2,030
    My salesman just emailed me today and said from what he was able to find out, our van is still at the factory. It's this kind of crap that pi$$es me off! If it was built on May 15th, why hasn't it been shipped? If it encounters these kinds of delays at every stinkin' location it arrives at, it's no wonder it takes so long for these things to reach the dealerships. Another thing that's ticking me off is a lack of responses from Mazdausa.com. I sent them an email earlier in the week and they responded fairly quickly. In that response, they said to reply to the message if I had any further questions. I've done that a couple times now and they've stopped replying to my emails. I even sent them a new email message, but I haven't heard squat. With what started out as a good car buying experience, which is now starting to go bad, now is not a good time for Mazda to be blowing me off.
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    If you remember, I gave you a heads up about these types of delays...This is exactly why I suggested that you find something in stock...this is very common with asian factory orders.
  • bottgersbottgers Member Posts: 2,030
    The reason I chose not to buy one off the lot was the DVD option. The problem is Mazda doesn't like to factory install the DVD systems in the LX models (without someone ordering one), only the ES models. I don't want an ES model. My salesman did a dealer search trying to locate an LX model with the factory DVD option. He ended up having to do a nationwide search, and he was able to find only 2, both were located somewhere in the state of Washington. I figured the chances of me finding an LX model, with the DVD option, and even remotely close to being optioned the way we wanted it when it came time to actually make the purchase were about as good as winning the lottery. I know I'm gonna be pi$$in' and moanin' the whole time I'm waiting for this thing to show up, but hopefully in the end, it'll be worth it.
  • tomj5tomj5 Member Posts: 209
    It took 11 weeks to the day I got mine. My dealer told me to expect 9-12 weeks when I ordered it. I had to order because there was only stripped plain(ugly colors) janes on the lots around AZ. I wanted a 4seasons pack with tow hitch. Yeah it is hell trying to get info but hang on, it is a very good car. Plus you are getting some of the last built 03 models. A lot of bugs have been fixed. I can't find anything wrong with mine and it is a dream to drive.... Super engine. I just did a web ordered a bug shield, dash mat, leather steering wheel cover, rear bumper step, and tweed seat covers. Much cheaper than factory prices. The Mazda free road service with rental rebates is great from what I hear. Mazdz seems to have a good warrenty plan.
    It is well worth the wait...
    TJ
  • vickie5vickie5 Member Posts: 12
    Hello All....

    Picked up my new 2003 MPV ES today but there is a story behind this car. For 13 years I drove a caravan, now don't be DC bashers I never had a lick of trouble with that van. When I sold it in Nov 2002 it had 120K miles and all the original "engine" parts with the exception of the water pump (replaced twice) the battery and the fuel pump which was just replaced July 2002. That car was very very good to me but I took very good care of it.

    I was on the car hunt and got a Honda CRV LX early November 2002 and paid $18,3K for it, cash. I quickly realized that I missed my van and the HONDA was to small. After putting a dog crate in the back it was almost like driving with bigger blind spots than I already had. About two weeks ago I decided it was time to get rid of the Honda started looking around at vans.

    Sienna...to "chunky" and bigger than what I needed and WAY OVERPRICED, those Toyota people are insane. Honda also a bit bigger than I needed, Dodge, Chrysler, GMC ect...no way. Then I came over to this board and after some research and reading the posts I decided on the MPV. Test drove one Thursday and liked the way it handled more so than the others. Not to big not to small just right.

    I e-mailed a couple dealers who were quoting me about $15,5K for the honda as a trade...FAT CHANCE, I'll sell it outright. But one dealer was quoting me $17,000 so I wasn't about to argue. Went down to visit him today and he said he would give me $18K for it, it only had 4162 miles on it, I'm choking just about now but kept my mouth shut. Filling out the paperwork he goes and talks to the sales manager come to find out the used car guy quoted him the wrong trade in price by "accident" the other day WOOPS!!!! It should have only been $15,5 hehehehe -VERY good for me VERY bad for the dealer. At that point I figured they were going to throw that deal and the $18K right out the window. Nope the guy said that is what he quoted me and that is what he was going to give me. By this time the fleet guy looked like he wanted to throw up, I was there ready to hand him a trash can because about now he needed it. Instead of the consumer getting hosed the dealer had the tables turned on him. I figured anyone that came in after I left buying a car was going to pay A LOT of money for it, to make up my difference. On his computer screen he was actually at a -$330 negative on my van. Anyway in my garage now sits a

    2003 White Mazda ES
    7 psgr - leather everything
    Front/real air, power driver seat
    17 inch alloy whls
    Crappy Dunlop tires (god I hate Dunlops)
    6 CD changer
    Power moonroof, power sliding side doors
    4 Seasons Package and all the other bells and whistle, power this power that yada yada...

    MSRP'd at - $29,120
    Paid Invoice - $26,795
    Tax License fees ect $2,200
    Rebate $2000
    Trade in $18,000 (hehehehehe)
    Put $5,000 down
    Financed around $4000
    Payment $125.00

    The salesman is going to have nightmares about this deal for a loooooong time. One more thing I LOVE MY NEW VAN!!! ZOOM ZOOM.
  • lsinclsinc Member Posts: 270
    Way to go!!!! Congrats on your new ES! We just got back from our longest road trip yet. 560 miles round trip up to our summer place and back. I love my MPV even more! It handled great, was comfortable etc. We were really loaded down too. Had to use the car top bag that's how much stuff we had with us. A little lighter load coming home. I just can't say enough about it.

    The Dunlops aren't that bad. I was considering changing them but so far so good. We are just over 3,000 miles on our LX. I do like the way they handle.

    Anyway, happy trails!

    Lsinc

    Zoom-Zoom!
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  • vu2000vu2000 Member Posts: 58
    Hi every one. I just purchased a used 2002 MPV LX 1 week ago. This vehicle has a security system. Unfortunately I only received 1 key and remote for this van, and no owner's manual. So I would like to ask a few question, if someone would be kind enough to give me the answers.
    1. How much oil would this van take for an oil change(I change the oil myself). I estimated about five quarts.
    2. Has any one have to have a duplicate key made by the dealer(Is this the only place that can make the duplicate), the key has a micro chip in it. I called the local dealership and they said $105 total for the key and programing it for the van(this sounds like highway robbery).
         Sorry for the long post. By the way, my wife and son loves the van. Now they both want to have a DVD/TV for the van.
  • eddie777eddie777 Member Posts: 33
    I just had a duplicate key made and yes, it's highway robbery becuase of the immobilizer chip. The dealer told me cutting the key was $40 and programming it cost another $56.

    I passed and went to Wal-Mart instead hoping to just get a "door" key cut. When the clerk saw it, she asked if it had an immobilizer and I said yes. She said she couldn't copy the immobilizer but I said I wanted it anyway. I just wanted an extra key that I could use to unlock the doors in case I lock the keys in the car. She said she'd try but when she put the key in some gadget, it "beeped" to tell her there was a Philips microchip inside and she COULDN'T copy it.

    I went back to the dealer and after some haggling, he agreed to make me a key for $40 (i.e. "free" programming). No bargain but that's the price of having the immobilizer. So I guess the answer to your question is yes, only the dealer can do it.
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    You can program a key yourself with the proper instructions. Contact me offline and I will be happy to them to you. They are on another site that I can't link to here.

    -Brian
  • bottgersbottgers Member Posts: 2,030
    I checked with my salesman again today because he said Mazda updates the database every Sunday. He said my MPV is listed as still being at the factory. This has me wondering how accurate this info is. My van has been built for almost 2 weeks now, why would it still be sitting at the factory? One would think it certainly would've shipped by now. Something else that has me a bit disgruntled is the lack of responses from the folks at Mazdausa.com. I have sent them more than one email requesting shipping and delivery info on my van. The only messages I've received from them are the automatically generated messages they send out to let you know they received your message. The only positive info (if you want to call it that) I've received is my salesman said he looked at the build and delivery dates on all of the MPV's he has on the lot and he said it took 5-7 weeks from build date to arrival date. 7 weeks would put my MPV at the dealership the 1st week of July.
  • javadocjavadoc Member Posts: 1,167
    Also, you can get the key blanks, with the microchip, from certain online vendors, for much less than $40. Plus, any competent locksmith can cut the keys for you. I had spares cut for my van, and the keys only cost me $17 w/shipping. Subearu can give you the hookup for programming though.
  • lsinclsinc Member Posts: 270
    How frustrating! Sheesh, they should be giving you better treatment then this!!!

    I'm not real up on ordering vehicles and I may be repeating advice someone else gave so I apologize in advance. Have you gotten the vin # yet? Have you been emailing Mazdausa or calling them on the phone? I would try calling them if you haven't already. As far as the dealer goes, I would think that they can find out more information for you then they are. Bug the $#$% out of them if need be.

    If I hear of any other tips from folks that have ordered cars before, I'll let you know.

    Keep your chin up kid! =o )
  • bottgersbottgers Member Posts: 2,030
    My salesman sent me the VIN a little over a week ago and he told me it was built on 5/15/03. I sent the VIN (as I have in all my messages) in my initial message to the folks at Mazdausa.com. This was the only message they've responded to so far, and in this response, they varified the VIN and the build date. However, they were unable to provide me with any shipping and delivery info. They told me to check back in a week, which is what I've been doing, but they aren't responding. I haven't tried calling them yet, but if I don't hear from them by the end of the week, I will. My salesman has been pretty cool about this so far. I actually contact him almost every day, and he seems to be racking his brain to find new contact avenues to find out this info. My plan is to keep the pressure applied to both my salesman and the folks at Mazdausa.com until I get some answers.
  • acedriveracedriver Member Posts: 131
    Drop a hint that you are going to cancel the deal if you do not get any information by end of the week. Have you put any deposit already ? If so, start telling the dealer that you are considering getting your deposit back. See if the salesman still keeps his cool ..

    If nothing else, they might just drop in some freebies when you actually get the vehicle due to the enormous amount of stress this delay has caused !!
  • bottgersbottgers Member Posts: 2,030
    I have put down a deposit, and I really don't want to start down that road. I don't like making accusations I have no intentions of following through with. I'm pretty much comitted to buying this van, but I won't let the salesman know that either.
  • acedriveracedriver Member Posts: 131
    Sometimes the only way to get things stirred up is to go in with blazing guns and raising a stink. As long as they think that they can put you away with a vague "It's coming anyday" answer, they will continue to do that.

    As far as I know, the dealership network has info about all vehicles (en-route & on other dealer lots). Either they really do not know or they are not trying hard enough (?) - Beats me why they would try to avoid answering simple questions like "Why is my vehicle today ?" !!
  • tomj5tomj5 Member Posts: 209
    When I ordered my car I had the dealer put in a clause the I would get a refund of down payment and order would be cancelled at the end of 12 weeks. I secretly hoped that I would not have to use it. The car came in at 11 weeks.(I learned the hard way. I ordered a 67 car from dodge and it came in banged up. I think it had fallen off the truck. I had a horrible time with dodge getting it resolved.Hate dodges to this day)

    I hate it when buying a car that you have to choose from the LOT Queens. These are first built buggie picked overs, and you never get what you really want. When I lay out that kind of money I want what I want.
     Lots of dealers will not order cars. They don't want the hassle and want to move the Queens. When you order your car you know you are getting the latest bug fixes.
    Mazda had gone to great lengths to allow the customers order cars so you can get what you want and need. Yes there is a problem with instantious communtion, but most dealers have a hard time finding someone who can use the computers. Car sales is something computer people avoid.
    I didn't think about a date on my car until the ninth week. Mazda said my car would be delivered at the dealer in 11 weeks and it was....
    Hang in There it is worth it....
    Love my MPV
    TJ
  • dwsmhadwsmha Member Posts: 35
    When we ordered ours (also for the DVD player) it was 12/9/02, arrived 3/19/03. We threw a big fit. Granted, we were $2500 below invoice, $4500 below MSRP, so the dealer wasn't going to budge much. We did complain so much that the general manager took over handling our transaction. We complained more about the delay then the dealership's OWNER took over. In the end, they only threw in 5 oil changes.

    We also complained to the Mazda 800 number, and they mailed us a $75 gift certificate for parts/accessories. I'm saving it for when my wireless headphones break...
  • lsinclsinc Member Posts: 270
    Hey, I resemble that remark! hehehehehe! My MPV isn't a "LOT Queen".......it was simply the best one on the lot! Ok, so maybe that makes it a Queen.

    Now that my heart is broken...sob, sob, sob.....because you are calling my MPV names.....sob, sob, sob......I'm going to go..............DRIVE IT! Zoom-Zoom! ;o )

    I go now!

    Lsinc
  • acedriveracedriver Member Posts: 131
    So you got 5 free oil changes @ approx $20 = $100 + $75 gift certificate = $175 off for exercising your vocal cords, eh ? Great !! :-)
  • bottgersbottgers Member Posts: 2,030
    Since Mazdausa.com has decided to ignore my emails, I called them today. The lady I spoke with said the system shows our van as still being at the factory and is scheduled to ship from there on May 30th. I'm still trying to figure out why it would be sitting at the factory for more than 2 weeks after it was built. Could it be they make one shipment a month from the factory? The lady told me to call her back on Friday because they usually assign a delivery date to the vehicle once it ships from the factory. It looks like some progress is being made, but things are still happening vvvvveeeerrrrrryyyyyyy ssssslllllooooowwwwwwlllllllyyyyyyy!

    P.S. I really don't care if it's damaged during shipment. The dealer will make it perfect before I accept it and they'll be giving me a loaner vehicle if they need to keep it for repairs.
  • tomj5tomj5 Member Posts: 209
    I didn't say it was impossible to find a good car. Just difficult. If anyone could do it I am sure you would be the one...Just talking in generalities.
    Sorry about that.....
    TJ
  • vu2000vu2000 Member Posts: 58
    Can anyone tell me how many quarts of oil is needed for an oil change in a 2002 MPV(I do not have an owner's manual with my used van). Also, can someone tell me if I can order key blanks for my 2002 MPV besides the dealer. Thanks.
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    You've got email!

    http://www.mazdasouth.com is one site for Mazda parts.

    Oil capacity of the '02+ MPV is 5.5 quarts.

    -Brian
  • lsinclsinc Member Posts: 270
    Oh don't be sorry!!! I was teasing!!! Honest! I'm not that sensitive. I love my MPV no matter where it came from.

    Lsinc ;)

    Zoom-Zoom!
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    http://www.mazdastuff.com is mazdasouth's parts site.

    -Brian
  • vu2000vu2000 Member Posts: 58
    Thank you. I just changed my oil 2 days ago and only added 5 quarts. I'll add another 1/2 quart tomorrow.
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    bottgers.....the reason its still sitting there is they need to fill up the ship the van is being shipped...several thousand other vehicles need rides to the US also..regretfully they can't ship it until the boat is filled up....somebody would be looking for a new job if it left japan with just your van!! :)

    acedriver....The consumer was warned that these types of delays are common with japanese factory orders... the delays are due to mazda, not the dealer. The dealer can do nothing whatsoever to get it shipped any quicker. Once the order was accepted by Mazda the entire deal is OUT of the dealer hands.
    you come in my store making those types of demands and I would gladly cancel the order and tell you to hit the trail.... How would this get you van any sooner? If it was something the we, as a dealer did wrong, blast us...but to make noise concerning non dealer related delays is absurd.
  • acedriveracedriver Member Posts: 131
    Exactly! That is the sort of info which the dealer should have provided. That tells me what is happening with the vehicle I ordered. If I kept getting vague replies and an uncertain delivery date, I would gladly hit the trail !

    If it is made known in advance that my order is going to take time and I ordered it knowing this fact, there is really nothing to crib about :-)
  • bottgersbottgers Member Posts: 2,030
    I guess what peeves me is they tell you the van will arrive 9-12 weeks after it's ordered, and it actually ends up being more like 12-15 weeks. Just once it would be nice if something, anything you had to order came in BEFORE it was expected. This never happens.
  • bottgersbottgers Member Posts: 2,030
    I didn't expect them to ship just my van over here, that's why I asked if they only ship once a month from the factory. If so, this would explain why my van has been sitting there for so long (along with the ship not being full).
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    I have some potentially bad news...

    Automotive news is reporting that the carmakers are working very hard on a transportation contingency plan...due to the potential truckers strike that is currently looming.

    bottgers.....I will pass along details as I get them.
  • bottgersbottgers Member Posts: 2,030
    If they can get my van to the states, I'll take a friggin' Grey Hound bus to wherever it is to pick it up, but I sure as he11 won't wait for a dam trucker's strike to end before I pick it up.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I saw a bunch of new Beetles getting loaded onto a ship in Veracruz a few years ago (I assumed they were trucked there from Puebla). They were still going at it hard a few hours later walking back past the port from dinner and the adjacent parking lot was still slam full. Must be fun trying to coordinate moving that kind of merchandise to market.

    Steve, Host
  • strange3strange3 Member Posts: 14
    We're finally going to do it. We saw an 03 LX on the lot and the dlr is willing to deal. It has fogs & a rack for $20,400 after $2k cash back. I'd have liked more for my trade, but to be out from under the lemon is enough. With summer trips coming, having a new ride w/roadside assistance is reassuring.

    We do the paperwork tonight.
  • glideslopesglideslopes Member Posts: 431
    Congrats!!! You will LOVE IT!!!

     Mark. : )
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