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Toyota Echo



  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    I doubt a larger filter will fit the location. Almost all cars use these small filters nowadays. Just change your oil every 4 months and youll be fine.
    My wife bought a Saturn for our son to learn to drive on. I know what you mean about getting in and out of it! Makes me apprciate the ECHO all the more. But to get in it I open the door, face away from the seat and sit down and swing my legs into the car. Car is ok but not as good as ECHO.
  • wrgrahamwrgraham Posts: 112
    I parked next to a new white Corolla today, lined up the front doors just about even. When I got out and started comparing my Echo, it was clear how much similarity there is. The Corolla was a little longer on both ends, and it was a bit lower than my Echo, but not much. Looked from the rear and the sides, and there is just not that much difference. Seems to me that the Echo was a push (in styling) that was more than the marketplace wanted. So you scale it back a bit, but stay with the same ideas. And the 14inch wheels on the Echo came right as the market was going to larger and larger wheels, so that wasn't good timing. I guess the net effect is that I appreciate my Echo even more.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I have actually mistaken a 2003 Corolla for an Echo at least one time when passing it quickly (it was parked). I think they are pretty neat looking. As far as the Echo's wheels, they could have always offered bigger ones, but decided not to. I think the Echo handles pretty well, or at least the rental I had did.
  • pulgopulgo Posts: 400
    The larger oil filter fits perfectly. In my case 4 months is about 11K miles, a bit too much in my case to trust such a small filter. I think I will add an extra remote Amsoil filter (at least 4 times more volume than the standard filter), increase the amount of oil by about a quart and stick with 15K miles oil change intervals (and use only synthetic oil). I know, I will spend more money than with regular intervals and dino (mineral) oil. I'm not doing it for the savings but for the protection of the engine. The plan is to keep the car for at least 300k miles and I don't want to have to replace the engine before that. These Toyota engines would probably reach that mileage on regular oil anyway but I'd like to think that with synthetic oil chances are much higher that I will get tired of the car long before the engine fails.
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    Make sure there is ground clearance if you use a larger oil filter. The Dodge Neon, when it was introduced, had a larger filter than it does today, but it hung down a little from the chassis and some drivers sheared off the top of their filter going over bumps etc. Net result, total oil loss! Chrysler rectified the problem by going to a shorter filter, so the lower chassis protected the filter top.

    On the other hand, the Focus ZETEC engine can take either a large or small filter. The small filter is the same as on their 8 valve, sohc engine that fits in the focus. The owner's manual for the ZX3 only showed the smaller filter, but the filter manual at WalMart showed both filters - either were ok with the ZETEC engine.

    If you find out that there is an alternative larger filter for the Echo, let me know. The current filter looks better suited to a 1.1 liter motor. But, a lot of cars must be using it, or WalMart wouldn't have it on the shelf. (I just checked a manual and it is the same filter spec'd for the Corolla...,)
  • pulgopulgo Posts: 400
    Even the 4 cylinder Camry uses the same filter. I think the only good option is to either use a filter relocation kit or an additional filter installed somewhere else in the engine bay.
  • lynnann1lynnann1 Posts: 85
    You guys are going to think I'm being silly, but I miss my Echo. She's in the body shop for repairs. We dropped her off on Monday and they found additional damage (I was rear-ended by a Dodge Dakota) and I won't get her back until sometime next week. :(

    The rental company gave me a Saturn SL2. I've just finally gotten used to looking in the right place for the instrument panel, but I'm still not used to sitting so low.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    The Saturns do have a very low seating position. The interior design is almost cryptic, because it's so small and dark inside. I am 6'3, and can't even fit into one of those cars. The Echo is miles better.
  • blue_echoblue_echo Posts: 24
    A Lincoln Continental, backing out of a driveway dented my car door, really buckled it. So for a week I've been driving a Pontiac Grand Prix. I think the rental guy thought I'd be happy with the free upgrade since that's all they had, but I can't wait to get my Echo back! I feel like I'm sitting at the bottom of a well trying to see out the top to drive. It has pretty good pickup but it's so big and dark... and smells like cigarettes. Yuk!
  • mltomekmltomek Posts: 24
    i just got a 2002 echo---i noticed the cd player would skip while driving when i first got the car----then i lowered the psi to 32 from 45!! i guess the dealer inflates them for a better ride. the cd player has worked nearly perfect since then---HOWEVER on occasion it will still skip. my 2001 rav4 NEVER did this. any suggestions?? i know it is NOT THE CD's----they all are clean and never did it in the rav-4. should i have the dealer look at it or is this common in a economy car versus the 24k rav4?? any suggestions would be appreciated!! i love the lil' echo--TOTAL pleasure!!

    p.s. i keep reading the posts on here about oil and intervals. i plan on doing 5000 mile changes with castrol 5w-30 FULL synthetic oil. How does this sound??

  • wrgrahamwrgraham Posts: 112
    I don't know why the problem with the CD. I have a unit that functions flawlessly. So nice.
  • lynnann1lynnann1 Posts: 85
    The rental I'm driving is a Saturn SL2, but I, too, feel like I'm sitting at the bottom of a well!! I can't wait to get my Echo back either! I don't know when that will happen.... hope it's soon...

    sigh :*(

    BTW I've never had problems with my CD player either.
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    Your experience with overinflated tires from the dealer echos (!) my own experience. I asked the salesman if tire pressures were checked at delivery, and he told me they were (I couldn't double check them at that time because the tires had been warmed up on a test drive). He added that the tires come off the delivery trucks overinflated to 40 psi to help keep the cars firmly mounted during shipment. Just to be safe, since I was going to hop on the interstate, did a "cold check" (before driving) the next morning and discovered one tire was way overinflated to 40 and the others were from 2-4 pounds over. I adjusted them all down to the required 32 psi. FYI, maximum permitted tire pressure on the Michelin MXV4 tires that came on the car is supposed to be 35 psi....

    (If the variation had been consistent and minor, I would have attributed it to minor gauge variations, but in this case it was significant and inconsistent, and one wheel had apparently been overlooked altogether.)

    So it pays to doublecheck...especially with something as important as tires.
  • kaz6kaz6 Posts: 331
    My CD player has become unusable. It used to skip occassionally then it would not want to play when I had the heater working during the winter. Now it just plays for a bit then stops saying "Error 1" which according to the manual is a dirty cd. I thought it might have been due to my new tires being too stiff but the cd player does this even while the car is parked!
    There was another post about problems with the cd player and I will have it checked when I have the 30k service done next month.
    In the mean time I have been using a 'Walkman CD' with a car kit. The factory system has excellent sound so I'm anxious to get it fixed.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Have you tried cleaning the player itself? Maybe the lens is dirty or something. Follow the owner's manual instructions (if any) on cleaning though, as not to void the radio's warranty.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    My CD player rarely if ever skips, even over fairly bumpy roads. Take the dealer out for a demo and ask to compare to another ECHO.
    If youre going to drive 30k miles a year then changing with synthetic oil twice a year makes sence, although you might have a warranty issue there. I find the main thing synth does is give you good starting in cold weather. Not sure Id want to change my oil once a month, but its a good idea to get the old stuff out of there. Also, you will leak/burn more synth because its thinnner when the engine gets older. Probably with todays oils you can go much farther than the mansufacturers recommend.
  • mltomekmltomek Posts: 24
    you guys really are pretty awesome!! thanks for the response so quickly. this is kinda nice that we can all help out each other. my brother is looking at a 2000 4 dr red echo auto w/ manual windows n locks, has a/c, manual outside adjusting mirrors--and it appears aftermarket cruise control. is 9995.00 a good deal?? is the first yr 2000 as good as the 2001 and 2002's? i know lil has changed---but i am talking bugs. i don't think i like the aftermarket cruise. does this sound like a good deal??
  • mltomekmltomek Posts: 24
    it has 21k's on it---perfect interior n exterior
  • mdrewmdrew Posts: 32
    From my own experience and most of what I've read on here, the 2000 Echos have had very few problems; my 4dr auto/ac has had zero trouble and Sunday's my 2 year anniversary. (The cd player has also been flawless with lots of use; maybe skipped once or twice on a bump.) Don't know much about used car prices; you might check Edmunds'"True Market Value" section, but I have no idea how accurate that is either.
  • kaz6kaz6 Posts: 331
    I have cleaned the lense on more than one occassion. I made sure the cd going in doesn't have any scratches or dirt. It goes something like this:
    After playing flawlessly, the cd player will abruptly stop and the 'Error 1' message comes on. The disc then ejects itself. This happens while the car is parked as well as in motion.
    After playing for a while when the heater is on, the cd player does the same thing as mentioned above.
    The funny thing is that the player never really skipped at all and I love the sound quality considering it's a factory unit.
    I remember someone posting that they had to leave the unit with the dealer to have it sent in for inspection. I don't know if I can survive for an extended period of time without it! I will most likely replace the unit eventually with an aftermarket cd changer/mp3/cassette system.
  • wrgrahamwrgraham Posts: 112
    ...My opinion is that the price should come down a bit from 9995. I also tend to think that the red color is less generally saleable - hence the seller has a harder task. 21K is not a lot of miles, and I think the car should be excellent, if you dont find anything to the contrary. But I would suggest you get the price down to about 9000 flat. Else keep looking.
  • cpo4cpo4 Posts: 2
    could anyone tell me if they have herd of any changes in the 2003 echo . drove a 2002 yesterday and loved it .
  • echorickechorick Posts: 27
    I bought 2000 ECHO 2 door 5 speed with AC and nothing else last May. It had 7700 miles on it. I got it from a dealer in Los Angeles area as a Toyota Certified Used Car with a power train warranty to 100,000 miles or 6 years from first sale. I paid $8,800. It was a hard bargaining, but it can be done. Tell your brother to be willing to walk away.

    I have put 16,000 miles on the car and I love it.
  • mdrewmdrew Posts: 32
    Well, 4dr vs. 2dr./Auto. vs. manual is worth another $1,000 or so on the Echo price, so the $9,900 vs. $8,800 for those 2000 cars is pretty comparable, not to mention the cruise control. Of course, it's good to get the best price you can.
  • rep1158rep1158 Posts: 2
    i have a 2001 echo automatic. the owners manual does say you should not tow anything. I want to tow a 10 foot fishing boat on a light trailer. Does anyone know if thats possible? or should i stick to what the owners manual says/
  • pulgopulgo Posts: 400
    In Germany the Yaris TS, which is essentially the same car as the Echo in North America but without a trunk, is allowed to tow 2000 pounds (900 Kg) at a maximum 12% road inclination. This is for the car with the manual transmission.
    If you want to use this car for towing I would do it after the warranty is over, strongly consider the installation of a transmission cooler and change the transmission fluid every 20 K miles.
  • echorickechorick Posts: 27
    I agree the ECHO mltomek asked about is worth more than my 2000 ECHO. However, I paid $8,800 in May of 2001 and he was asking about 2000 ECHO price this May, a year later. I do not think the price mentioned is bad, just that with some hard bargaining I believe he should be able to do better. In any case , I am glad he is enjoying his ECHO and I hope his brother does a deal that he will be satisfied with.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    If you can find a hitch that fits the ECHO it should not be a problem 1)as long as you keep the load light 2) the trailer is balanced ie it wont fishtail easily.
    Generally it isnt recommended to tow with a FWD vehicle because the handling qualities of these vehicles are different from RWD. It can get really screwy. But Ive towed with (old) Subarus and the VW Fox so it can be done. Just take it easy. (but you might void the warranty!)
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    If towing is not recommended in the owner's manual, and you do it and damage something, be prepared to pay the bill because the warranty will be void.
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