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Oldsmobile Intrigue



  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Pontiac Grand Prix concept will be introduced at the Chicago show. Apparently it will give a lot of hints for the 03/04 GP. I'm sure a lot of tech will be transferred from the Intrigue. I'm expecting the Intrigue and GP will basically be combined into one sport sedan. Mr. Lutz don't let me down.

    tomcat : I saw that story also and was not surprised. The Oldsmobile credit is pretty nice when combined with current offers so I'm sure many people went back. GM was smart to offer it and I'm glad to accept. Too bad Oldsmobile got killed in the process though!
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    No problems with the ISS shaft on my 14,000 mile '01 impala. First new car that i haven't had to take in for warranty repairs.
    Can't remember how many miles one2one had when his was totaled. You might be the mileage champ on this thread.
  • lmacmillmacmil Posts: 1,758
    They do a lot more than just measure the mileage interval.

  • vcjumpervcjumper Posts: 1,110
    Says it depends on engine rpms, operating temp, oil temp, coolant temp and "other" factors to calculate what it thinks the rate of oil degradation is according the the second link.
  • vcjumpervcjumper Posts: 1,110
    I'm just over 60,000Miles on my 99GX. Warranty repairs were migrating door trim and broken cigarette lighter door. Crankshaft sensor was after warranty. No front end noise issues encountered.
    Original rotors (never turned) and pads, though I think I'll get the pads changed within the next month.
    Motor runs smoother than new, burns no oil, and I got rid of the rattles I had by putting foam where the speakers would be if I had the 6 speaker stock stereo (behind the sideview mirrors) and not aftermarket.
  • Regulation typically is 14+ volts.

    You are right that a .4 volt drop may not be noticeable, However when the regulation is 14.5 volts and the alt. decides to do nothing there will be a drop easily to 12.5 on a fully charged battery.

    do not forget that when a car is running with lights it can draw 30 amps easily. The light will take 15 amps, Fan will take minimum 3 to max. of 30 amps, dash light from 3 to 10 amps, Radio 1 amp and so on.
    Also when your bat is juiced up and sitting in your driveway with the car not running , just turning on the lights can drag that static voltage down to 12 volts. It is called load.

    Have you ever sat in your car with the headlights on and then start the car. Well that increase in brightness resulting from the 12.5 to 14.5 regulation, is exactly the opposite of what is happening when the lights flicker/ blink.

    If you do not experience this problem, congratulations . For more info and experiences, feel free to view my posts 5380 and 5364 and 5719
  • evandroevandro Posts: 1,108
    I was very well impressed with the CTS. The materials and finish inside were of very good quality, on a par with Mercedes. A true luxury car, unlike BMW and Audi, which are just average cars with good powertrain and/or chassis, IMO.
  • vcjumpervcjumper Posts: 1,110
    They just upgrading their machine shop so there was a delay with building the prototype. They should have something for me to test early next week.
  • nferrnferr Posts: 32
    "unlike BMW and Audi, which are just average cars with good powertrain and/or chassis". What an absurd statement - have you sat in an Audi A6? The materials used in the interiors far surpass GM's quality. Look at the gauges and fit and feel of the seats in a BMW or Audi. GM has been pretty much universally knocked for its interior materials and assembly. And listen to a BMW engine sing while accelerating versus the Catera engines groan. And yes I've driven both. I won't even mention BMW's suspension and chassis.
  • evandroevandro Posts: 1,108
    The last thing I want is flame war...

    Those air vents on BMWs' and Audis' dashes fall off in a few years.

    Yes, I've seen what's inside an A6 and was not impressed. At least for a 40-grand car...

    No, I didn't say that GM's was better, only the CTS'.

    However, I do think that both German brands are sub-par to Mercedes.

    Have a nice day.
  • thughthugh Posts: 9
    A recent message (of course I can't locate it) stated they were experiencing hard shifting. I have also experienced this situation. It has happened 4 times in the last 6-monthes (2001 GLS w/PCS). My guess on what is happening is that the computer may not be initializing correctly. The 4 times I have had the problem has been when I momentarily bump the key to start. My car will start so quickly that I get carried away by seeing how quick of a key turn will start it. I think that the abruptness of the start does not set the computer right. Even if you shut it off and start it up again, the problem remains. If you shut it off and let the car sit for "awhile" all returns to normal on the next start.
  • frankkfrankk Posts: 35
    Any rumors on what the final Intrigue closeout rebates might be this summer?
  • nferrnferr Posts: 32
    I have to admit I have not seen a CTS in person yet, but I'm not too impressed with the interior pictures. I have driven an Audi A6 quite a bit and the interior quality is excellent. I just ordered a Buick Rendezvous and I'm impressed by the interior but the quality is not up to Audi or Acura standards. I have never heard of airvents falling off of Audi's or BMW's. I've seen plenty of Cadillacs with missing trim pieces though.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    New CTS is amazing. Best GM car I've ever seen in terms of quality and design. Take a look before you judge. I will be seeing one again next week at the Toronto Auto Show.

    BTW. I've seen Audi's with pieces falling off.
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    Bob Lutz announced today that he is studying the possibility to finally bring the Australian Holden Commodore SS to the United States, in order to speed up the consolidation of GM as a supplier of high performance, world class, V8 RWD powered sedans.

    So don't give up on GM just yet, this beast could be in parked in your driveways sooner than you think:

    Hello Holden and bye, bye Olds!

  • vcjumpervcjumper Posts: 1,110
    Tried it (Bought used for $75cdn, then sold it for same price), will fit just like other bars made for the GP/Regal/3800 cars, but the power steering line gets in the way and has to be moved like others have found with other bars.
  • vcjumpervcjumper Posts: 1,110
    Would be great but isn't that what Caddy is trying to be? I can't imagine the cars being cheaper than the CTS, seeing how they are basically Catera's with LS1's in them.
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    Bring it on. I would buy one in a heartbeat.
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    Altima is FWD. G35 is RWD. G35 has 20 more hp +
    30-40 more ft lbs of torque. 5 speed auto too.
    Base price is 27K optioned to my taste is about 31K. 112 inch wheelbase. 3 inches longer than the intrigue.
  • oldsman01oldsman01 Posts: 1,203
    I'll give it to you on the BMW engine sounding better at full throttle than the Catera's, but Cadillac's own(and excellent Northstar) has them both beat. I'm looking forward to the new V6 due out in the 04 CTS. Still, as is the CTS is not a bad car at all.

    thugh, that was probably me with the harsh shifts. I took mine in for this Monday and am getting ready to leave the office to go pick the car up. In short, a minor overhaul on the transmission was done from what I was told. I will consult the repair order for more details. Also, I had mentioned the flickering lights to them and they said it could not be duplicated. If it weren't for me getting sick of the 1990 Delta Eighty-Eight they gave me for a loaner, I would have pushed back more. I'm going to get the TSB number for this problem and take that to them when I have it in for an oil change next time.
  • rc52rc52 Posts: 27
    I recall someone with the grandprixstore front STB (jg28 I think) mentioning they got around the P/S problem by using a plastic tie-strap to tie the 2 P/S lines together? I'm thinking of going that route, but would love to first hear how the custom one for vcjumper turns out. WOW - lucky me - post # 6000!!!
  • rc52rc52 Posts: 27
    You installed the SLP brace on a 3.5? What exactly did the Olds dealer disassemble/install - the P/S lines?
  • oldsman01oldsman01 Posts: 1,203
    I'm beginning to get aggrevated with the dealer. When I got there this evening to pick my car up(15 minutes before they said they left) the service department was empty. The door was still unlocked and the tv in the waiting area on, but no one anywhere. I finally wandered into the showroom and had a salesperson go down there and get my keys. He couldn't find the paperwork on my car, but did find the keys. So I STILL don't know exactly what all they did to the car and what their diagnosis is. I'm going to call them tomorrow and have them mail the paperwork to me. This is only the second time I've had the car in to them for service and I think if I have to take it in again(which I will for the flicker) I'm going to go to a different dealer. There is actually another dealer which is closer to me, I just went to this one because that is where I bought the car. So I guess I'm not as impressed by my service department visit this time. As for the car, it sure felt good getting back into my Intrigue after two days with the Eighty-Eight. Car drove well and transmission shifted fine and no flicker, but again the flicker is intermittent. As soon as I get the paperwork, I'll give more detail on what all is done. Thats pretty bad, I have the service manual on the car and like to know everything about the car and what needs to be repaired, yet I don't even know exactly what all has been done. Trying to get info from them was literally like pulling teeth. I always got the "he's out on a test drive right now" or "I just paged the transmission guy." Maybe most Olds owners simply say FIX IT when it comes to problems, but I like to know what the problem is and why it is being fixed.
  • vcjumpervcjumper Posts: 1,110
    Here it is folks

    04 GP

    More pics of interior etc here
    GP Owners Club

  • vcjumpervcjumper Posts: 1,110
    It is definitely not what I was looking for. A little too expensive boy racer looking. The rear end odd spoiler treatment is what I really don't like. Don't like the spoiler and looks like it would look pretty odd without it too. Looks like it is upmarket though and will probably be closer to current Bonneville pricing since that is being discontinued. We'll see though because obviously some of the elements of it (18" wheels, cross drilled/slotted rotors) are obviously not going to be on the production model.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    I generally like it.

    Keep in mind that's a decked out concept car. I think you will see the basic shape stay about the same though. It will be interesting to see what the production models will look like.

    My biggest wish is that the interior is upgraded and they loose all that plastic. I really like the current GP as is (I must since I had one), but the interior was definitely the weak point. My guess is you will see a more Pontiac Vibe type dash in this car with brushed aluminum accents.

    I hope they bring that car up to Toronto next week for our auto show!!!
  • evandroevandro Posts: 1,108
    It certainly gets some cues of the current Bonneville, which turns it into a beauty, IMO (I own a Bonneville ;^))! The tail-lights are kind of strange, though, but the rest of the car is very pretty.

    I wonder about the interior materials and finish. Beside a GP, the Bonneville looks like from another brand in these aspects, i.e., much better quality.

    As the Bonneville will see no successor, I hope that this new GP is at least as roomy as it. Then maybe I'll consider Pontiac again.
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    Hey guys check the all new 2002 Opel Vectra sedan and 5-door Hatchback....Holy cow!!!!!!!!!!! Check out those interiors!!!!!!!!!!!

    Beautiful car! Lutz bring it and pronto!!!!!!!!!!
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    From what I've read so far, the interior of the GP is all new and much more upscale. I may go back to Pontiac with a car like this. No mention of engines though..

    teo : GM seems to be trying to move to world platforms so who knows. Vectra looks nice, but it will have to be updated for North American tastes.
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    "GM seems to be trying to move to world platforms so who knows. Vectra looks nice, but it will have to be updated for North American tastes."

    Why? The car looks fantastic as it is! Ford's success with the Focus was precisely that...avoiding the "Americanization" of the model.

    Euro is hot, Euro is trendy, Euro sells.

    We need no more stinking "Americanized" Opel cars that have been nothing but botched products and flops...witness the Saturn L series and the Cadillac Catera.

    GM has learned this lesson the hard way time and time again.

    Lutz: Bring the Vectra and Astra unchanged from the European formats!
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