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Sylvia,I'm wondering how Marin Honda was to deal with being its in marin.I live close to them and it would save me a trip to El Cerrito or San Jose. Did you go with the extended warranty. Thanks again.
1) wife and i love the way it drives. handles, feels more like a car.
2) the power doors are a real pain. working the keyfob with unlocking and trying to open the doors has been frustrating. thats my major complaint, not bad huh?
3) get some heavy duty floor mats ( dont have to worry about muddy shoes but then again it never rains in CA )
4) get a noticable lag before the tranny 'catches' when shifting from drive to reverse or reverse to drive. very frustrating when trying to get outta the way when making those illegal 3 point turn arounds.
overall summary: very happy i purchased it in december and have no regrets not opening up my wallet a bit wider for the new sienna.
also i was interviewed about my odyssey purchase ( see january 8th, 2003, wall street journal, personal journal section, page 6 ), and unlike you, signed copies are free
enjoy
Note that I did go through the Edmunds.com "get a quote from a dealer" and then selected Autobytel to get to them. I think your experience is much different this way v. walking onto the sales floor.
I did not go with the extended warranty that they offered (even though I thought it was a good price). I am looking at 1sourceautowarranty.com for that (save a few hundred dollars). I haven't finished researching that yet...I need to pop over to the Finance, Warranty & Insurance board and talk with our Hosts Car_man and Kcram.
I tried to respond the other night but the system was updating. Anyway, I got my Boss's van at Vandergriff Honda in Arlington TX. Very easy deal and got tint, cross bar, cargo tray, digi shield thrown in too. By the way got the 7/100K Honda care for 860.
popamor
p.s. yep, my Boss (wife) is happy.
Thanks for the info for "Mendota99" re: your out-of-state connection. Would you be willing to share the contact info for those Texas and Ohio and any other relevant out-of-state dealers?
I'm actually looking for an Element...we already have a first generation Odyssey (aka Isuzu Oasis)...and since my initial impression is that the Element is fairly hot right now, it may still pay for me to go the out-of-state route even with the $800 shipping.
Thanks!
Herb :-)
There is also a good discussion in the Finance, Warranty & Insurance board What's the best rate for Honda's 7yr / 100K / 0 deductible for 2002 Odyssey (the discussion is actually covering years other than 2002 as well).
Thanks
Disclaimer: I have no idea if the Element is any cheaper in Ohio/Texas area compared to your local dealership. My limited knowledge is for Odyssey only.
That being said, a lot of people in these boards somehow begin/end their Ohio shopping with Jay Honda. NJswamplands actually bought one from them and have it shipped to him in NJ back in December/January time. You'd have to go pretty far back in the archives to get his story. Some dealers might quote you a lower price, but they don't want to handle the paperwork of shipping out of state like Jay Honda. I was told to call my own shipping company and handle the pick up and delivery info on the new van. Not much fun as you try to coordinate this from CA.
As many of the posts you see are "folks buying from local dealers", be sure you find one that is reputable and regularly does out of state shipping business (you don't want your $20K plus investment to be their FIRST CA shipping). Hope this helps. Let me know if you need anything else.
Actually come back and post where you hear from other dealers on Element so other people can benefit from your experience.
Harry
When I bought my 00, that's what I did and the fi-guy took it. He was happy - I was happy.
BTW: My name did appear in the Bloomberg news article on the car buying decision during the war time, hit the wires on 4/1/03. But it's a one line quote from a 5 minute phone interview, so it's nothing like your claim to fame on WSJ. I might need to mark down my autographed fees down by another 50%...
I thought I was the only one having problems with the power doors in my first week of ownership.
Thanks for your insights and look forward to your future help to all us newbies.
The link you provide is titled "Honda Warranty", but what if you're not looking for a Honda warranty? Like you, I'm looking at the 1source warranty as many other warranty companies won't do business in CA from the law suit with the state attorney general.
I know Host Steve, lost somewhere in Alaska without Andrew's Navi to guide him, says not to open more forums, but where is there a forum to discuss the pros and cons of each warranty policy as the title of your link would discourage other people to post there if they're not looking to buy Honda warranty?
and that forum is "prices paid", not "anybody looked at getting other non Honda warranties and the pros of cons of each policy compared to Honda?"
Any thoughts?
We are looking to buy a 2003 model EX Leather & DVD in the Cary/Raleigh area in NC. I searched this discussion for recent posts, but could not find any in 2003.
Can someone give me a sense of what price ranges I can expect dealers to quote in NC?
I will start the whole test drive and email and nego. process pretty soon and will keep you all informed how it goes.
Thanks!
Subba
I read that you paid 28750.00 for ody ex-L with DVD are we talking 2003 or 2002 model.
Thanks
The reason I asked about new warranty forum topic is that I don't see an existing one that really applies to the Odyssey. Seeing that everyone who buys an Odyssey will be asked by the finance manager if they wanted extended warranty protection, this is just like an 'optional packaging' that you need to consider ordering or declining. So it should be considered as part of the purchase package.
The other forums may talk about warranty companies in general and that's fine, but I was hoping to see if any of current Ody owners perhaps from the 1999 to 2000 models whose vans are coming out of warranty having repairs and what parts of Ody breakdowns are covered by their extended warranties.
Seeing that the minivan have more moving parts like the automatic doors in the EX model, I'm just worried these puppies will die real fast and I'm looking at warranty coverage for that. Looking at other warranty coverage in other forums like Honda Accord/Toyota Rav 4 might be OK to assess the reputation of a specific insurance company, but doesn't really answer my question on what part of the doors will any specific warranty cover and which parts are your own expenses (wear and tear).
Harry
Congrats on the new van Sylvia - that makes at least 3 of us hosts with minivans :-)
Harryfat, I've been seeing your conversation mirrored elsewhere! Congrats on the Bloom County strip mention. Opus & Bill will be proud. (you did say Bloom County, right?).
The warranty discussions are all over - I guess because they tend to be brand specific. I searched earlier for a link for a Caravan owner and dozens of them show up in the FW&I board (most in the archives). There are at least 5 active Honda warranty related topics too, so that's my reluctance to see yet another little one flop up that likely will just fade away in short order.
One other thing about extended warranties - you may get a better price on one now, but usually they are available anytime until your factory warranty expires (and many are available after that, but you may need a mechanic to sign-off at that point in order to buy one).
If you do get one now, it may supplant the factory warranty entirely, but I'm not sure what practical effect this has. Finally, you can cancel an extended warranty in most (all?) states (provinces?), since they are a form of insurance. Your refund may be pro-rated if you do cancel depending on how long it was in effect.
Steve, Host
Not Bloom County, Bloomberg Financial. I just responded to the request on post 3516 from Edmund's, PR director to submit my van buying info to her. Somehow a financial reporter called me at work last week and did a 5 minute phone interview with me on my thought process on buying a van during the war time. So I have my name in print for a short 1 line quote. Less than the 15 minute fame Andy Warhol promised me, but it's a start. And I got an Edmund's T-shirt from the marketing department for submitting my name.
As for the warranty, since it's always asked of you during the final purchase process at the finance manager's office, in theory it's part of the purchase price. As most people tend to buy it at the dealer or not at all. I agree that you can get it later on, but somehow laziness will likely kick in for me and before I know it it'll be after 3 years.
Assuming most people buy manufacturer's warranty at the finance manager's office, thus it's brand specific. As I assume there's X number of people who currently have this extended warranty as you read through the board on people's purchases, they say they paid for X amount for a Honda warranty.
But is there a place for them to share their good/bad experience on filing a claim for warranty expense? Whether or not the repair is approved/denied. Or what part is covered (like motors on the automatic doors in the Ody) or what parts are not covered (like wear and tear of brake pads) or the gray fuzzy areas that you thought would be covered but in reality are not. Or any tips on how to file a claim to ensure your repair is approved. These would seem the things that would benefit the existing warranty owners and other newbies who are thinking o getting a warranty.
Can you change the title of an existing forum? The "what's the best rate for 7 year/100K ..." topic only has 60 posts in 9 months. We get that many in 3 days with Andrew and the science of decibels in the other Honda forum. Perhaps changing it to be "Any and all Odyssey warranty related issues. Including costs the warranty or anything related to the Odyssey." Or something thereof.
No guarantee it will generate more than 60 posts with the new name, but it serves a need I don't see being addressed here.
Honda or Third party. No disrespect to other car models, but I am looking into issues for Ody, I don't need to read up on Envoy or any other vehicles.
I don't see what this should be a problem, when since it is a step of the purchase story, everyone will have lots of input. Definitely more than the, "why does the VIN # start with" forum.
Please if you can, something specific to "Odyssey Warranty Issues"
Harry, there's only one road from Anchorage to the rest of North America, so the navigation isn't that big an issue, at least not until you get past Whitehorse :-) The '97 Outback we picked up didn't hiccup any on the 3,000 miles - so far so good. Bloomberg is ok, but I'd rather be memorialized by Watterson. I think, lol.
Discussion titles may be edited by a host - just ask the appropriate one.
Getting back to extended warranties, there are some discussions by brand of warranty (Warranty Gold, etc.). These tend to cover the claims process and what's not included, and gripes about claim rejections. Edmunds partners with Warrantybynet, and there's two "active" boards about it. So I see your point about an Odyssey extended warranty discussion, but I'm not sure it's better to limit a board to the Honda branded one, since everyone is going to compare the "aftermarket" brands in there anyway.
Steve, Host
Thoughts? We can open the discussion in Finance, Warranty & Insurance and link it over here.
(Welcome back Steve!)
Sylvia - I earlier emailed Host Jason the Car Man for a suggestion to change the name per Steve's previous post to contact the host. And the name has now been changed.
Thanks for your suggestion, but the only worry I have about including all minivan owners is that it's too broad for Ody owners. As I assume the Dodge warranty is not 100% same as Honda warranty and not 100% same as Kia warranty. So while a broad topic will ensure a big group discussion, it also requires a lot of reading on topics that may or may not benefit you.
Thanks to all for the help and let's see if we can have more than 60 discussion in there for the next 9 months before it's closed for "read only".
If we are desperate for a new posting, we'll have to get Andrew to come over and talk about the coolness of glow in the dark warranty contracts...
Navigation system is the coolest thing out there--right next to DVD RES. From now on, all my future cars will have Navigation system. I used to care more for engine size/power and interior quietness, but since these new cars are basically the same on those things, the Navigation system is what sets them apart. Who cares about directions? It's just cool glowing in the dark and during daylight too. Man, I love that stuff!!!
I am looking for LX pricing. Is the discount $2000 like the EXs (which is getting more into affordable territory!)? Just looking for Vehicle cost (include any options), whether or not destination was included, any other "costs" (doc/adv/misc fees), tax for YOUR purchase, and the out the door price. The dealers around Minneapolis are still stuck on MSRP - maybe $500 off. PRICE TO BE PAID wise, the Ody LX is putting me in the ballpark of a 2004 Sienna LE with the BW package. I will be pulling the trigger in June or July (I think - when is the new Nissan out?).
PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR RECENT LX PRICING!!!! Thanks!
Wholigan
2004 Honda Accord EX-L Graphite Pearl
2007 Honda Civic EX - Atomic Blue
2013 Honda Civic LX - Crimson Pearl
Honda Odyssey Extended Warranties
Steve, Host
You asked people to post their out the door price, but unless they live in your state, MN, that's hard to compare. For example, for me in CA, sales tax rate of 8.25%, that's $2000 plus sales tax for a $25K van. For someone with 6% tax, it'll be lower or for the lucky folks in states with no sales tax, $25K is the out the door price (ignoring DMV fees). So that just taints the comparison. Probably easier to ask for dollar off MSRP, assuming there's no extra dealer add on.
As for the discounts, I was quoted that all Odys in stock for $1500 off. So that would include your LX. But from what sales I have seen, they tend to be for the "dealer stock" and at least here in CA, we have very few have LX on the lot. Maybe in your region, you may have more. If you special order, the discount is less, like your $500 off MSRP. So you need to email lots of dealers and ask if they have LX in stock.
You asked if destination charges included? You asking about the $460 charges on the Ody? That's standard on all Odys. Posted on the sticker window. Matters not if you live 30 miles away from the plant or 3000 miles away, you pay that $460 destination charge.
I looked at the BW package myself on the LE on Sienna. That brings your MSRP around $27.6K. The Ody LX is $24.8K. Obviously the Sienna has the latest technology and features and BW option gives you one power sliding door not on the LX. So it depends on what discounts you can get on either of the two models and the region you live in, you gap could be very large or very small.
If you have the time and energy, you can venture off to the Ody versus Sienna forum and see the debates on that front. But you'll have to sort out the science of decibels by Andrew and my spiel on regionalization of Sienna pricing.
Hope this helps.
What do you guys think? I'm relying on the collective wisdom of this forum to make a decision.
Other alternative is to buy 2004 Sienna at MSRP.
First, let me thank all the extremely useful resources found at edmunds.com (great job guys). This is undoubtedly an yeoman service from concept to pudding.
Got a 2003 ODY EXL-RES silver/quartz for 31.2K drive out. Sent 3 emails overall and two phone calls, one visit to the dealer I dealt with here in Houston. Accesories incld. -- back up sensor,fenderwell trim, splash gurads, cargo cover/mat/tray, drivers'armrest,bassworks and auto dimming mirror. After comparing with Sienna '04, this is by far the best value I saw.
Overall LX or EX or any other, ODY does offer good value and hope the cost to own is within range, I am anticipating.
Thanks
It looks great, clean, new tires, but the miles are high -- 48K.
We're Volvo drivers. Mine has 149K and my wife has 114K on hers, so I know that some cars are better built and more reliable than others. But this would be our first venture into Honda territory.
The sales rep said this Ody wouldn't need the major tuneup until it hits 90 to 100K.
How's that price sound? Think it's reasonable to ask them to sell it for $18,800 and throw in the Certified to seal the deal.
PS. At another dealership, a 2001 LX Certified went for $19,800. Had 38K miles.
Need your collective expertise.
NJswamplands, maybe we can chip in and buy both Harry & Andrew an atlas each? And some blue paint for Andrew's dome light....
Mikeinny, check the "Customized Appraisal" TMV and you may want to ask in Real-World Trade-In Values for, well, a real world value.
Steve, Host
Steve, Host
Host Steve - I don't have a Navi. Not loaded like my buddy Andrew out there. Besides, my wife is more than happy to tell me I made a wrong turn and how I should have asked directions from somebody 2 miles back. If we have a Navi, then she would miss out on an integral part of the family trip.
In addition to that I also have to deal with:
We are located in North NJ, and headed NORTH. We hit traffic, and she says,"Oh wow everyone is going to Atlantic City."
For those of you who don't know, AC is about 3-4 hours in the OPPOSITE direction.
When it was finally time to leave he let off a tantrum. He did not want to ride in his new car, he wanted to take the 10 year old, dirty, no leg room Integra. Actually, I lost the "INT" so we call it the egra.
Gosh, we bought it for him so we wont bang his head anymore while we put him in his car seat, and he DID NOT want to go.
Lucky for us there is "Lilo and Stitch", but now every time I point to the Ody, he says, "Stitch".
If we just go around town, I am not putting on anything, so I guess we will have to take the "Egra than.
I also guess this means I could never trade the "Egra" in for any car.
Norman, I think you should trade in your Integra and I'll trade in my Lexus and we can both get the new Honda Accord V-6 with NAV.
I think NAV is catching on pretty fast because my brother David in California is thinking about buying the new Nissan Z350 with NAV.
In your post 3630, you asked for the "collective wisdom" to help you with your van buying decision. Seeing I didn't qualify for the wisdom part, I just figured actual members of the collective wisdom team would respond to you instead. But I guess they're off to FL for their annual spring break, so I'm the on call person.
I have more questions for you than answers (probably because I'm not as wise as my esteem colleagues):
1 - Which part of the country are you from? Some regions would kill for $500 below MSRP while others are at $2400 below MSRP, so without knowing where you are, how is anyone to say that's a good deal or not? Did you comparison shop?
2 - Buying a van is family decision. I doubt anyone can just sit here and look at your few lines of posts and say "Sure, go with X or no, X sucks, go with Y." Well, maybe some people can if they have a strong built in bias for or against any one brand. But they're doing you and your family injustice by imposing their bias on you. What are the top 5 things that is important to you and your family?
3 - Sienna at MSRP. Same as 1 above. Where are you? Some places I have seen are at MSRP, some are as low as 2% above invoice. But there will be wait for this. What is your timeline? Do you need the van soon?
4 - Interest rate. Easiest Question to answer. Absence of any factory financing like 0 or 1%, 4.5% at 60 months looks decent as that's what peoplefirst has now and they are one of the lower priced lenders. Have you checked your credit union? You a costco member? If so, they have deal with peoplefirst at .25% discount from the published rate. Check with www.bankrate.com to see what auto loan rates are available in your area.
Like I said, more questions than answers. But buying a $25K van/investment isn't as simple as someone's two line post - Oh, Yeah, always buy X as Y sucks.
Once the "collective wisdom" comes back from their Florida spring break, they can help you out some more. Or if they got lost without Andrew's super cool "glow in the dark NAV" in their minivan, then they may not get back to you for a while.
My 2 year old has the opposite problem with our new van. I can't get him out of it without dragging him crying and screaming. This Sunday morning he grabbed his shoes and started pounding the door to the garage so he can get inside the van and go for a ride.
Maybe Andrew is onto something. If you get a NAV that glows in the dark and talks to you as you drive along, maybe your son will be mesmerized by that.
But if you really want to get rid of your Ody, I will buy it off of your hands at $2000 below invoice....
So in 10 years, will your Odyseey name plate become "ssey" as the Ody falls off?
Live in OR and looking to buy an Ody. I was just quoted $700 UNDER MSRP.
I never have bought a Honda before so I am a rookie.
1) Is this a good price if anyone knows.
2) Does that extended warranty cover the transmission. I have heard that the tranny has had some problems.
3) A local dealership is offering 0% financing of 60 mos + free gas for a year. They say it is on based on best neg, packaged price. Is this in anyway backed or sponsored by Honda?
4) Any good neg tactics that I can use on the dealer would be great.
5) Finnally, is there there still a high demand for Ody's causing the price to be less neg.
Thanks
As Harry has mentioned he was able to get a Ody EXL for $1500 below MSRP. And he is in CA.
The extended warranty, I am part of this 4 Ody ownder group who still can not decide which one is better, the Honda or the After Market. Stay tune on this one. Sorry not much help here.
The interest rate is a no brainer, but I thought Honda was not offering any interest rate incentive to any of their cars. The FREE gas, I would question, no one in our area would dare give that out. Is it like a once a month fill up or once a week?
Here are some tips:
1) Do not show or tell them you are in a rush.
2) Use the Sienna to your advantage, even if you aren't considering it.
3) Use the next Quest to your advantage, even if you aren't considering it.
4) Use the next Ody. to your advantage, even if you aren't considering it.
5) Tell them that time is on your side
6) If you can, try shopping towards the end of the month. (My opinion only)
7) If you can, try shopping towards the end of the quarter. (My opinion only)
I think the demand has gone it's ride, the new Sienna has given people other choices to look at. When the Quest comes out, whether it's a good car or not, it will give consumers a third choice. Forcing Honda to come out with a new Ody, when, well that's all over at Rumorville.
Goodluck, hope I was able to help JUST A LITTLE.
But hey, if your local dealer can offer 0% financing, I would not stop until I can get both 0% financing and $2K off MSRP--but that's just my persistant self.
Yeah, Harry and Norman, the older the kids get, the more they love minivans with cool toys on board. My 15 months daughter doesn't dig the NAV yet, but she digs the the DVD RES. My 7 year old sister-in-law totally loves both systems. She even wants to sit up front just to gaze at the NAV screen and say, "Oooh, look at the blue water....the green grass...." Then later she wants to sit in the back and watch "Shrek". Try getting her out of the Odyssey after that!
1 - Prices are always tricky. I had I had a good deal for SF Bay Area three weeks ago at $1500 off MSRP. But the price has subsequently fallen even more. The only fallen faster than the Ody price here is my NASDAQ investment portfolio, but that's a totally different forum. $1900 off MSRP is the latest I heard. Some others have posted $2K plus discounts around here few days ago, but that was quarter end sale, maybe they won't honor it.
2 - Extended Warranty - I requested from the host of these boards to change the name of the extended warranty forum to see if we can get more participation n what's included or not included. I was too busy this weekend to write up a spiel on asking people to post. Will do that later on.
3 - 0% financing. If that's the only dealership which offers the 0% in your area, then I would assume they're not going through American Honda financing. Around here the only Honda financing I have seen are 1.9% for the Civic, but these financing stuff tend to be regionalized, so check.
Assuming you finance $25K with people first at 4.40% at 5 years (lower % for 3 years), your interest expense is $2896. So if you can get that shaved off with a 0% loan, then you are miles ahead.
Free gas. Assume $2 per gallon, at 18 gallon refill, that's $36. Assume it's once per month, at 12 months, you get $430 in gas.
lapvn got you covered in the other areas.