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The remanufactured units are updated to reduce tha chances of trouble.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the older '99-'01 model years with 4 speed transmissions had a significant occurance of failure. Hence, Honda gave 100k exteneded warranties for these model years.
It would be interesting to see the failure percent for the '99-'01 4 speeds.
As to the 2nd gear recall and Odyssey transmission problems in general:
The 2nd gear oiling problem appears to be a separate problem from the more common problem of slipping and not engaging. The more common problem may be due to clutch wear, clogging of oil passages with worn clutch material and lack of proper oil flow as a result. The oil jet may not solve the more common problem. This is one conclusion that may be drawn from reading the 2nd gear recall document SB 04-021 and comparing that to other reports of failures. The described modes of failure are very different. The oil jet may actually increase oil to a certain gear and reduce oil to other parts of the transmission.
As a side note, I went for a troubleshoot test drive in my '00 Ody with a Senior Tech (15 years) at my local Honda dealer. He said they have a tech replacing trannies full time (5 per week) on '99-'01 Odys & Accords. He said the reliable Hondas were the '80's & early '90's (lasted 200-300k without major repairs) because they were simple cars. These cars were made in Japan and were relatively expensive in their market. The reliablity problems started popping up when Honda kept the price stable and built more cars in the US (Toyota & Nissan similar).
Well, you're insight is blown right out of the water. All the Ody transmissions (at least in 2000) are made in Japan and shipped to North America.
Yes, the 1999-2004 Odyssey transmissions were made in Japan while the vehicle was assembled in Canada or the USA. Still not reliable enough.
The Acura CL and TL before 2004 have even more unreliable transmissions and some have US built transmissions.
For Odyssey, reliability did decline when they began to be assembled in North America with the 1999 models. This is true even though some parts were made in Japan. Data showing this shift starting in 1999 can be seen in Consumer Reports reliability charts in the auto issue.
So the statement that the vehicle is less reliable when it began to be assembled in the North America would be valid for the Odyssey.
Regards, JamesM
Anyway dealer wanted $1050.00 to replace. If you need your converter replaced (This is not a drivability issue) and other post's on this problem have listed approximate cost's of $200.00 for an after market then go for it. Otherwise can drive it without problem. If you want to replace yourself can do a google search and pick from a list of suppliers. They should be all OBD II compatible.
To delete the check engine light can do it with a scanner or on the 00 you can remove fuse #13 for 10 seconds with ignition in off. I suppose you could also disconnect the battery as well.
So it appears that Odys made from Jan 2004 onwards have new trannies with the fix/modifications added. My Ody made about a year has been a joy to drive. No visits back to the dealer for any repairs.
Anyway if others have the same problem, maybe something useful.
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ps: I have a 2002 with 126,000 kms on it with handly any problems.
Suposedly it on top of the transaxle, but I don't see it? Do I need to remove the engine cover?
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Scott
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I will have to do the same to add some more fluid soon when I add a tranny cooler for extra "protection". Heat is the worst enemy of trannies.
Thanks!!!
Honda claims that this problem has only been reported in 2% of their vehicles (for the years the known model and defect exists).
Also, can anyone describe exactly what the issue with the trannies is?
Thank you very much in advance for your time.
Regards,
Mukfay
I am on my second problem, with one transmission already replaced.
Very bothersome, considering the source, Not like Honda you know.
I got '99 with 100K and I think it has the same problem as you mentioned.
the clunk noise almost like something needs lubricant.
It vary with temperature (winter or summer) on mine it makes noise
when I turn the wheel to the left (even when the car is stop).
Some one opinion that it was the struts mount.
I also look for some one who has found the solution.
Thanks for posting it.
When I set the parking brake, before shutting off the engine this brake makes a 'sort of clunk'. The dealer says this is normal. If I really push I set it hard there is no noise. I have had new rear rotors installed 2 months ago..
Another thing is I am getting a couple of groans or creaking when I get out of the van. No noise, whatsoever when I am driving. There has been no change in ride or response since it was new. It currently has 126,500 kms ( 76,777 miles) on it. At the end of May, I moved my daughter-in-law and her belongings down to Arkansas; a 3,800 km trip from Guelph, Ontario, Canda. The groans started about 3 weeks after the trip. It is scheduled for dealer maintenance at 130,500 kms; which is soon as I do about 2,500 to 3,000 kms/month.
Does anyone know what the noise could be or has had similar noises?
Thank you.
Seriously, on the parking brake, I would suspect that some assembly was not done correctly when you replaced the rotors. The parking brake linkage to the rear brakes may need adjustments as well.
On the fun part with the groans and noises, it could be worn out bushings in your suspension, faulty struts, or combination of both.
If I were diagnosing these problems, that is where I would start.
Good luck!
Overall we have been very happy with it since it has averaged almost 20 mpg. The only problem I have had is with the oxygen senser; replaced it twice. The sliding doors need to be greesed regularly or they will stick. I change the oil every 4K with Castrol.
Happy Hondaring!
I would buy it from the dealer and take it to your non-Honda garage to make sure that other tranny oil(like Dexron) is used to screw up your tranny.
There was a tranny recall to install a oil jet kit to improve the lubrication for 1st and 2nd gears. Make you have it done if you have not done so.
Your Ody has been very reliable. Use Honda tranny oil only to continue that reliable service.
Self employed courier here....drive 120,000 miles per year...my current Honda..an accord wagon has 285,000 miles (1992)....Gas consumption very important to me..
Will mild hiway driving...60-70 mph...bring me 25 mpg ??? Also...any general comments on the transmission on these vehicles that might be useful to me ??
Paarl
The car has a perfect maintenance record; in fact, every checkup has been performed at Benson Honda as recommended. The car has been used in regular day to day traffic as a family car and on occasional trips, nothing unusual, and nothing extreme. As mentioned above, we never towed a trailer.
The replacement was covered by an extended warranty we had purchased from the dealer. However, we still lost $ 1175 which would have been reimbursed had we not used the warranty. The dealer purchased warranty was quite a pain. An insurance adjuster had to travel from Houston to San Antonio the following workday (it was a weekend) and the insurance would not cover overnight shipping, so the car was gone for a week. The dealer warranty on the new transmission is a paltry 12000 miles.
Premature transmission failures seem to be quite common in the Odyssey and apparently due to a design flaw. Consumer Reports used car reviews now rate the 2002 Odyssey as “not recommended” partially due to poor transmission reliability. I am quite upset (to put it politely) that Honda does not step up to its responsibility and for a minimum offer an extended warranty for the grief they are causing the customer. This car was supposed to be the best and most reliable car we ever bought and we did a lot of research before we purchased the car. Ironically, it will probably the most unreliable car I ever bought (I never had a transmission failure at that mileage before).
Klaus
Assuming you got the notice and responded, it sounds like they must have done the patch, because you didn't mention having the unit replaced in the Spring/Summer 2004 timeframe.
My confusion on the subject is this: Recall number 04V176000 list the actions to be taken, but says nothing about extending the warranty coverage. I have a copy of the press release in which H of A extended the coverage to 100k miles on the 4spd unit used from '99 thru '01, but I don't think this applies to the 5spd used in the second generation van from '02 thru '04. Over on some of the other boards I found testimonials from people in your situation in which persistant lobbying got them some coverage on units that died AFTER the fluid flow fix, but it does not seem to be a standard policy like on the 4spd.
If anyone has evidence to the contrary, please let me know as well!
Steve
I have a 99 ODY and never seen that recall. My transmission kicks from 1st to 2nd gear. Warrany over now. Only 47,000 miles. For some reason dealer said my tranny coverage was extended to 7/70,000. I read before it was extended only for 2000-2003. But i'm going to argue with them.
Why are they extending the warranty to only 70K miles for the 4 speed AT, and to 100K miles for the 5 speed AT?
If it does not make sense, then I would argue for a 100K miles warranty.
=>Just had front brakes done (first time @43800) - had to do additional "cut" to remove bad warp (I'll likely need new rotors on next brake job)
=>Intermittent engine surge (@36000) resolved after "broken wire was found on the P.S. Pressure Switch" (warranty covered)
=>As for tranny (@22000), the 2nd gear was beautifully polished (saw the picture) and all teeth are in tact - oil jet was installed per the recall
=>Rear brake squeak resolved after pad shims were replaced (Bulletin #04-019)
=>Mileage has been great - HWY average is 22.5 (+/- 2.5 for speed and wind - got 26 with a major tailwind coming back from the Black Hills) City is about 18.
=>Tires are next on the list - the OEM Michelins have held up well, however, they are noisy...
All dealer serviced. Other than standard oil changes, no issues that I would not chalk up to statistical probability (things happen folks)...
Couple of "Oddities":
=>Rear window shattering - possible weed wacker incident - but I digress ;-)
=>Flakiness with doors stopped after all joints were lubricated and fuses were pulled
=>Both front tires have had nails in them
=>Rear wiper arm stopped working - a nut was not properly secured
Just another excellent Ody experience!
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I know what can affect fuel consumption, such as driving habits, tire pressure, fuel blends, etc.
I am concerned that it is transmission related. The vehicle has always shifted rather roughly, and I know they have problems. It has been in for these problems more times than I can count. It is still under warranty (just).
My question is two-fold.
1. Has anyone had a similar problem and had the transmission replaced. (Any difference in MPG after replacement?)
2. Can you give me information on what mileage you are getting. (Especially So-Cal drivers)
Finally dealer diagnosed as ERG valve becoming dirty and replaced it. (They originally wanted to split cost with me but once I showed that this issue had existed but not been corrected since 18K miles they agreed to fix for free outside warranty.)
The kicker is that just two weeks later - I get a letter from Honda upgrading warranty on ERG valve to 8 yrs/80 K. I'll try and post details later on warranty letter I rec'd
How much did you pay for the replacement ? In Canada it would probably be 20% more due to exchange rates, etc.
Jennifer :mad:
You could try asking the folks in the Warranty Claims Administration discussion. Many of the members there are claims administrators and may be able to help you figure this out.
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Again, you knew there might be a problem getting the vehicle serviced under warranty when you bought it. Why not wait and buy one that would have been covered under the manufacturer's warranty? You chose to take the risk with a Canadian vehicle that you knew would not be covered under manufacturer's warranty. Sometimes risks pay off and sometimes you end up paying for them. Guess you gotta pay for this one. Take it as a lesson learned and don't buy any more Canadian vehicles.
An Odyssey in Japan, China and many other countries is a 4 of 6 cylinder configuration and the design is smaller. The Odyssey from 1999-2004 was called LaGreat (same size as the Can/USA one). Someone on this forum might be replying to a Canadian/American discussion without knowing that in his country it's not the same vehicle. The replacement for LaGreat is know as Elysion and is narrower.
Just something to keep in mind when talking with visitors from other countries other than United States/Canada.