Bajas, you are absolutly correct even the older model Voyagers have the feature to turn off the lights after half an hour. But you forgot the main point and that is called experience and attention to details that Nissan and Toyota have and Honda misses!!..There are atleast 20 other nice features that Quest has that Honda simply misses!! I.E. Radio and heater control in the second/third rows, See around the corner lights which are activated by turn signal, Full size spare tire, Hookups for laptop in second row...Plus tons of others listed on Nissan web site. By the way..don't even get me started on the Leather seat(fact of life if you got kids) and a quality Audio systems.
How many different flavors of the warranty are there? posts in the last few days, alone:
$695.00 for the 5yr/100K 0 - stevedrew Feb 20, 2001
less than 1,000 miles and 6 year HondaCare warranty - rbadan Feb 20, 2001
7yr/75000 Honda Care for my EX for $755 - chanak Feb 21, 2001
(7 yrs/100k/$0) for $1400 NOW - twc8888 Feb 22, 2001
I looked on the Honda web site, but didn't see a list of choices. The only relevant (?) thing I saw was in the fine print for the Component Coverage, and I don't even understand this sentence:
"Not available on Honda Care Sentinel Plans except 3-year/45,000-mile plan only."
I see you're back. Remember your offer on this forum a while back? When can I expect to receive my $50 per your offer? 85k miles and still not in to the Honda Service Center for any major problems. Change that to: "for *any* problems.
If all the Quest owners are on all the other boards extolling this van, why is it be discontinued. Lack of sales would be my guess. The Quest is a fine product(Nissan dealership I went to another matter) but was to small for my needs. Are there any Quest owners on the Quest board or are they all posting how good their van is and belittling other makes on the boards setup for those makes. Maybe the hosts can set up a Quest vs All board for you guys. I don't spend my time on the Quest board talking about the Odyssey. I don't get why Quest owners have this need to be on all the boards.
I can't figure it out either (and I own one!). Rather embarrassing, perhaps attributed to the small sales numbers (we don't get no respect). Steve Host Vans, SUVs, and Aftermarket & Accessories message boards
Why not check with JC Whittney. They sell what they call the Battery Brain. Its $60 and what it does is monitor your battery and when it is drained to a certain point shuts off all the power and then you push a reset button on a remote that is included with the system. Only problem I see would be having to rewire the radio direct to the battery so it don't think it's been stolen and requiring you to punch in a code to use it again. I think you should just make a habit of throwing the switch on the dash to cut off all the lights or heaven forbid teach your kids not to mess with things. I remember when I was a kid that was required of parents. Somewhere along the line some parents have forgotten that,,,,,,,and it shows.
Had an opportunity to buy a 2000 Ody demo with 5000 miles on it--things didn't work out for us, but the van is at Burne Honda in Scranton. Dave Campfield was our salesperson--gave us a good price, very accommodating. If this works for you, his number is 800-822-2110. Good luck!
** HondaCare Extended warranty (7 yrs/100k/$0) for $1400 NOW (It will cost 10% more two years later)
This is $400 to $500 more than you should pay. Check back in this discussion for Honda dealers that sell the Honda Care Warranty at bargain prices. You aren't limited to buying the HCW from your selling dealer, but if you present him evidence of a better price from another dealer, he might agree to match that price.
** Paint sealant to protect exterior paint ($500)
Major rip-off, run away from this one as fast as you can. $500?? Are they serious?? Sheeesh.
** "Better" security alarm ($400) - can protect against window breakage.
A security alarm that protects *against* window breakage? Is the $400 a fee to hire some guy named Rocko who stands by your parked van and keeps all potential window breakers away? What you're probably being offered is a system that *detects* the sound of breaking glass and sounds the alarm. $400 is way too much to pay for this feature, above and beyond the security features that come standard with the EX.
My advice (for what it's worth): buy the van, you won't be sorry. Buy everything else for it from someone other than your dealer, and save a ton of money. You can buy genuine Honda accessories, designed for the Odyssey, online at much better prices than your dealer will offer you. Good luck.
If you go up from your post, less then 100 posts, you will find places to buy that warranty for about $950. Consumer Reports says paint sealant doesn't help you significantly, and it is certainly overprice at that amount. Your car comes with an alarm if it is an EX. At any rate you can get that alarm for less elsewhere, then the dealer. Most people don't pay any attention to an alarm going off, but if you park your car outside and would hear it at night, it might be worthwhile if you live in high crime area, for a lower price.
I would think that having lights that see around corners would be worthwhile, in some areas. It is unfortunate the Odyssey doesn't have it. Areas where you have deer crossing the road for example. Then you would know the deer was on the road just around the next corner before you got there and could then brake in time.
I am a first-time van owner and have had my 2001 Odyssey EX for about 3 weeks. I love the configuration of the van and the way it drives and handles. However, I find the "road noise" totally unacceptable. It is the loudest vehicle I have driven or ridden in. Ninety percent of my driving is on the freeway (about 120 miles per day round trip). I have to turn up the radio and audio system to hear over the tire and road noise. Is this normal--with vans in general and/or just with the Honda Odyssey? Also, I have the infamous passenger side door rattle that sounds like a loose cable in the door panel. My van is going in for the second time to have this checked. Has anyone experiencing the door rattle been able to get it resolved?
dmathews3 - thanks for you suggestion on the JCWhitney battery brain - it might be a potential solution - in regards to the other suggestions, please keep your parenting skills criticisms to yourself, they are inappropriate and not appreciated.
I just took delivery on my Odyssey on the 20th and the dealer recommended its first oil change around the 1000 mile mark. It's also free at the dealership I purchased it from, which happens to be Honda of Joliet.
Bajas, while you may not have appreciated "dmathews3" comments on parenting skills, I have to agree. My wife is an elementary school principal. I've seen it first hand.
Billg7 - While the "see around corner" lights would be nice, I just call my psychic before I drive leave to make sure I'll be OK.
Mike, Thanks for your hints on adjusting the rear hatch for a tighter close(post #1365). I turned those black "corks" in about 3/4 of a turn and now the hatch door closes all the way without a slam. My wife says you are the hero of the month. Thanks again.
p.s. For those that care, the sole reason we got the EX over the LX was the power driver seat. The doors were just a bonus. It has been worth the extra $$ for both, but for long trips, the extra adjustment options on the driver seat are invaluable.
skrym - again, thanks for the comment, but with all due respect to your wife - generalizations about kids these days might be true, but you shouldn't assume you know specifics about mine - my question pertained to a mechanical feature with the Honda Odyssey.
a. why would the DC vans get more points for passive safety than the odyssey, sienna, and windstar that did much better in full and offset crash tests?
b. why did they compare 2001 DC vans to 2000 models of all the other brands? did honda make any changes to the 2001 odysseys that would made a difference in any of the scores?
c. what is the utility score? i would have thought that the odyssey's magic seat would have scored really high here.
d. if they used a 2001 sienna, it would have scored first in terms of active safety because it has available side airbags, electronic stability control, and brake assist. any idea on when honda will get some of these features?
e. why doesn't the fact that the T&C limited costs almost $10,000 more than the odyssey come into play?
don't get me wrong...i think it's a dubious award anyway but i am curious as to how odyssey owners interpret this and what they think of it.
My wife is a teacher too, so I know first hand about kids now days. When they started full time Kindergarden here they had to take time to teach the kids the proper way of eating lunch.(to much fast food) Bajas-- The comment was made in general, not at your kids but you did say I quote "I have turned them all off with the global switch on the dashboard, but the kids believe the interior lights MUST be on even in the daytime. Anyway, I find them on at least once per week." Like I said kids now days need to be told this is not acceptible.
I've seen the Chrysler ads and wondered the same thing. Go to www.amcitesting.com and it will tell you quite a bit.
"1. who is AMCI anyway?" AMCI is a marketing company that works with auto manufacturers to test their vehicles against the competition, help them to certify claims and to create claims that can be advertised.
"are they truly independent?" They are independent in as far as I doubt they are owned by any manufacturer. Their job is to help the manufacturer prove their claims.
"what is a marketing consulting firm doing evaluating minivans?" Making money for themselves and the manufacturer.
"2. regarding their test results a. why would the DC vans get more points for passive safety than the odyssey, sienna, and windstar that did much better in full and offset crash tests?" We don't know what they measured and how it was measured. Maybe 5 star crash tests are worth 5 points, but the auto locking doors are worth 1000 points.
"b. why did they compare 2001 DC vans to 2000 models of all the other brands?" I presume 2001 models were not available for testing.
"c. what is the utility score?" See 2A above. Unless they tell us, who knows. Maybe magic seat is worth 25 points, but the multi shelf dohickey is worth 500 points.
"d. if they used a 2001 sienna, it would have scored first in terms of active safety because it has available side airbags, electronic stability control, and brake assist." Again we don't know what they measured.
"e. why doesn't the fact that the T&C limited costs almost $10,000 more than the odyssey come into play?" Because in the marketers eyes (and that is what I do for a living) it doesn't matter in the claim. They don't say "the best minivan ever that sells for XXX".
Take any claim for any product with a grain of salt.
The proof is in the pudding. Odysseys are still in short supply while Caravans are being deeply discounted to try to move them. I feel I've overdosed on Dodge ads lately. No offense to the marketing professionals here, but common sense still outweighs advertising [non-permissible content removed].
So I presume all those Taurus and Volvo wagons with third seats are just as bad???
IIRC, you are the one who last week posted on the MDX board that you hated your Ody and MDX. You are entitled to your opinion, but please take your negativity elsewhere.
"1. who is AMCI anyway? are they truly independent? what is a marketing consulting firm doing evaluating minivans?"
Are any publications, web sites, etc. truly independent ? Most seem to rely on automobile manufacturers for revenue, one way or another. Consumer Reports is the only exception that I know.
"b. why did they compare 2001 DC vans to 2000 models of all the other brands? "
The 2001 DC is a new model with many more changes than Odyssey or Sienna. I don't know if that actually had anything to do with it, tho.
"c. what is the utility score? i would have thought that the odyssey's magic seat would have scored really high here. ..."
For a lot of people, including me, the "magic seat" isn't a big deal and actually may be less convenient than a split rear seat.
"d. if they used a 2001 sienna, it would have scored first in terms of active safety because it has available side airbags, electronic stability control, and brake assist. any idea on when honda will get some of these features?"
The Honda has traction control as a standard feature. And after reading all of the manufacturers' warnings about the side airbags being installed in these vans, I decided to avoid them if possible.
"e. why doesn't the fact that the T&C limited costs almost $10,000 more than the odyssey come into play?"
That's list price and you should be able to talk your way into a large discount on the T&C if you are so inclined. Also, there is a heck of a lot of stuff in the T&C (most of which I personally wouldn't want anyway, like leather seats) that would have to be tacked on afterwards on the Odyssey.
Does anyone know when the 2002 Ody's are coming in and what the difference and cost will be from the 2001 ? I have one ordered with a 5 month wait and wondered if it was worthwhile to just wait for a 2002.
I purchased a single-disk CD Player from H-and-A Accessories for my new 2001 LX, and I had intended to install it myself. The installation guide for the CD player mentions the anti-theft code for the radio. Unfortunately, my Manual and other documentation do not include the code, and I've looked everywhere for it. Further, upon mentioning this to my dealer, and giving them my VIN to look up the records, THEY can't find it (the code) anywhere. They said they could take the radio out of the dash, get the serial number and use it to get the code from Honda, which would be great for me, because they could just install the CD player while they had everything out, and eat the labor as a way of reimbursing me for the inconvenience of having to bring the Ody in to get the code... if you follow me.
However, a very close perusal of the manual seems to suggest that there is NO code for the radio/cassette deck included in the LX model. All of the documentation related to the anti-lock code mentions it only in connection with the EX.
So... do I have a code, or don't I? The service dept. is now closed (Friday evening here now), and I'd like to try the installation on Saturday if it stands a chance of being successful. Does anyone here know about this? Thanks.
You can get on a waiting list for next year's Odyssey, but I called Honda and they said they won't be re-tooling for the 2002's until they finish making a special-order model for some guy named Tim in Texas. I think they referred to it as an 'LX-B'....... ;-)
When I was with D/C we would have "rollout" meetings with our new product and the competitors products.
The Model year 2000 had a Odyssey vs the T&C LXI. D/C at that time was VERY concerned and came right out and said so.
Their biggest complaint was: the spare tire is inside the car.
We were told that having 60% of the minivan market was enough to swing the deals our way. No kidding.
Back to AMCI, these goys are the same that came up with the Grand Cherokee being the best SUV in the market place. Just take a look at the D/C forum and peek into the Grand Cherokee forums, you'll see post after post of shoddy workmanship and problems.
I don't hold much regard for this group. I would prefer to speak to customers in my service waiting area about their Odysseys.
I recently had the brakes changed out on my 97 Ody and since then a hissing noise or as if air is being released. It comes from the right front wheel when I start to brake. This seems to be intermittent but does happen at least 50% of the time. My mechanic can't seem to find the problem. I took it back twice and plan to do it a third time. Any suggestions what could cause this noise?
There have been a bunch of questions on this thread that asked about the correct oil to use for changes on our '01 ODYs. I wrote to Honda (Mid-Atlantic Zone) and quote their Feb 23,2001 response:
"In response to your question regarding the type of motor oil you should use on your 2001 Odyssey, the correct weight would be 5W20. This type of motor oil is new and is used on most 2001 vehicles. This type of motor oil is also being used by other car manufacturers for their 2001 models. The reason 5W30 is printed on the oil filler cap on the engine may be due to the fact that it is the same oil filter cap that was used on our 2000 models, which used 5W30 motor oil. Again, the 5W20 motor oil is brand new and can be purchased at most Honda dealerships.
Joel Nepomuceno, Customer Relations, Automobile Service Division"
Hope this answers this question with finality! Now, of course, we have to find it at the local parts and oil stores, like Trac Auto etc. :-)
I thought Honda was crazy with their $6 plus per quart, so I stopped today at an autoparts store and discovered Pennzoil 5w-20 for 2.69 a quart, not exactly cheap, but a lot better. The label indicates that it's specially formulated for 2001 Hondas and Fords.Now... if we all bug our local Wal-mart, we can get the price in line with other weight oils. I'm ready to feel warm and fuzzy when I dump my original oil and second filter at 3,750 miles.
5w-20 oil might be ok for winter driving in colder region of US (i.e, outside temperature routinely below 20 degree F.) I wouldn't put that in my Ody here in southern California yet. Our outside temp here usually above 60 degree F, and according to my little Pocket Ref by Thomas J. Glover,5w-20 oil will break down when above 20 degree F. Just to be on the safe side, I will stay with 5w-30 or even 10w-30 for now. I don't want to be the first kid on the street with my Ody's engine burned up, you know what I mean Happy driving
From the previous posts it would seem that the 5W-20 oil is specified for the 2001 Odysseys only, and not for the 2000 and 1999 models, which have in their manuals to use 5W-30. Also I wonder if you ask the Honda offices, located in the hotter areas of the US, if they would say the same thing.
Does anyone understand why the oil should be different for different years since they all have the same engine and drive train? My guess is that Honda is recommending the 5W-20 for all years, and I wonder if they really think it is a good idea for areas that seldom get below freezing and can get up over 100 degrees in the summer.
Why people buy other vans I don't know, but the reason they buy a Nissan product is because they can't get a Studebaker, or Edsel anymore, so that only leaves one usless piece of junk to buy.
The VS boards are for debating/comparing vans. Not the boards deadicate to the individual models. Maybe you can get the hosts to start one for you. Too bad you couldn't get an Odyssey. It is big enough inside that your ego just might fit.
I have had my Odyssey EX fro about one month and have driven about 500 miles. My gas mileage is only 12mpg. What's the deal with that? Will it improve? If so why would it be less when it is brand new?
I have the same questions on the 5W-20 oil. The power, torque, EPA mileage estimate is the same between the 2001 model and the previous models. What would be the benefit for using the new oil except more profit for the suppliers. I'm sure the profit margins are higher on this new oil based on the quoted prices here. Haven't seen this new weight oil for myself yet.
** Can I buy HondaCare warranty (7yrs/100k/$0) via web? If so, can I buy it anytime before my original warranty expires?
** I will NOT buy the so-called exterior paint protection ($500) from the dealer. Instead, I will wax my 5-day-old Odyssey with NU FINISH ($7) ASAP :-) Any thing better than NU FINISH out there?
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The dealer is trying to sell me:
** HondaCare Extended warranty (7 yrs/100k/$0) for $1400 NOW (It will cost 10% more two years later)
** Paint sealant to protect exterior paint ($500)
** "Better" security alarm ($400) - can protect against window breakage.
Did you get any of them? Should I? Many thanks.
$695.00 for the 5yr/100K 0 - stevedrew Feb 20, 2001
less than 1,000 miles and 6 year HondaCare warranty - rbadan Feb 20, 2001
7yr/75000 Honda Care for my EX for $755 - chanak Feb 21, 2001
(7 yrs/100k/$0) for $1400 NOW - twc8888 Feb 22, 2001
I looked on the Honda web site, but didn't see a list of choices. The only relevant (?) thing I saw was in the fine print for the Component Coverage, and I don't even understand this sentence:
"Not available on Honda Care Sentinel Plans except 3-year/45,000-mile plan only."
U - O - Me, pal!
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This is $400 to $500 more than you should pay. Check back in this discussion for Honda dealers that sell the Honda Care Warranty at bargain prices. You aren't limited to buying the HCW from your selling dealer, but if you present him evidence of a better price from another dealer, he might agree to match that price.
** Paint sealant to protect exterior paint ($500)
Major rip-off, run away from this one as fast as you can. $500?? Are they serious?? Sheeesh.
** "Better" security alarm ($400) - can protect against window breakage.
A security alarm that protects *against* window breakage? Is the $400 a fee to hire some guy named Rocko who stands by your parked van and keeps all potential window breakers away? What you're probably being offered is a system that *detects* the sound of breaking glass and sounds the alarm. $400 is way too much to pay for this feature, above and beyond the security features that come standard with the EX.
My advice (for what it's worth): buy the van, you won't be sorry. Buy everything else for it from someone other than your dealer, and save a ton of money. You can buy genuine Honda accessories, designed for the Odyssey, online at much better prices than your dealer will offer you. Good luck.
Dave
I would think that having lights that see around corners would be worthwhile, in some areas. It is unfortunate the Odyssey doesn't have it. Areas where you have deer crossing the road for example. Then you would know the deer was on the road just around the next corner before you got there and could then brake in time.
Billg7 - While the "see around corner" lights would be nice, I just call my psychic before I drive leave to make sure I'll be OK.
Thanks for your hints on adjusting the rear hatch for a tighter close(post #1365). I turned those black "corks" in about 3/4 of a turn and now the hatch door closes all the way without a slam. My wife says you are the hero of the month. Thanks again.
p.s. For those that care, the sole reason we got the EX over the LX was the power driver seat. The doors were just a bonus. It has been worth the extra $$ for both, but for long trips, the extra adjustment options on the driver seat are invaluable.
1. who is AMCI anyway? are they truly independent? what is a marketing consulting firm doing evaluating minivans?
2. regarding their test results
a. why would the DC vans get more points for passive safety than the odyssey, sienna, and windstar that did much better in full and offset crash tests?
b. why did they compare 2001 DC vans to 2000 models of all the other brands? did honda make any changes to the 2001 odysseys that would made a difference in any of the scores?
c. what is the utility score? i would have thought that the odyssey's magic seat would have scored really high here.
d. if they used a 2001 sienna, it would have scored first in terms of active safety because it has available side airbags, electronic stability control, and brake assist. any idea on when honda will get some of these features?
e. why doesn't the fact that the T&C limited costs almost $10,000 more than the odyssey come into play?
don't get me wrong...i think it's a dubious award anyway but i am curious as to how odyssey owners interpret this and what they think of it.
Bajas-- The comment was made in general, not at your kids but you did say I quote "I have turned them all off with the global switch on the dashboard, but the kids believe the interior lights MUST be on even in the daytime. Anyway, I find them on at least once per week." Like I said kids now days need to be told this is not acceptible.
"1. who is AMCI anyway?"
AMCI is a marketing company that works with auto manufacturers to test their vehicles against the competition, help them to certify claims and to create claims that can be advertised.
"are they truly independent?"
They are independent in as far as I doubt they are owned by any manufacturer. Their job is to help the manufacturer prove their claims.
"what is a marketing consulting firm doing evaluating minivans?"
Making money for themselves and the manufacturer.
"2. regarding their test results
a. why would the DC vans get more points for passive safety than the odyssey, sienna, and windstar that did much better in full and offset crash tests?"
We don't know what they measured and how it was measured. Maybe 5 star crash tests are worth 5 points, but the auto locking doors are worth 1000 points.
"b. why did they compare 2001 DC vans to 2000 models of all the other brands?"
I presume 2001 models were not available for testing.
"c. what is the utility score?"
See 2A above. Unless they tell us, who knows. Maybe magic seat is worth 25 points, but the multi shelf dohickey is worth 500 points.
"d. if they used a 2001 sienna, it would have scored first in terms of active safety because it has available side airbags, electronic stability control, and brake assist."
Again we don't know what they measured.
"e. why doesn't the fact that the T&C limited costs almost $10,000 more than the odyssey come into play?"
Because in the marketers eyes (and that is what I do for a living) it doesn't matter in the claim. They don't say "the best minivan ever that sells for XXX".
Take any claim for any product with a grain of salt.
IIRC, you are the one who last week posted on the MDX board that you hated your Ody and MDX. You are entitled to your opinion, but please take your negativity elsewhere.
I thought that it was noisier than the Sienna and the Caravan I drove, but it was not a night-and-day difference.
Are any publications, web sites, etc. truly independent ? Most seem to rely on automobile manufacturers for revenue, one way or another. Consumer Reports is the only exception that I know.
"b. why did they compare 2001 DC vans to 2000 models of all the other brands? "
The 2001 DC is a new model with many more changes than Odyssey or Sienna. I don't know if that actually had anything to do with it, tho.
"c. what is the utility score? i would have thought that the odyssey's magic seat would have scored really high here. ..."
For a lot of people, including me, the "magic seat" isn't a big deal and actually may be less convenient than a split rear seat.
"d. if they used a 2001 sienna, it would have scored first in terms of active safety because it has available side airbags, electronic stability control, and brake assist. any idea on when honda will get some of these features?"
The Honda has traction control as a standard feature. And after reading all of the manufacturers' warnings about the side airbags being installed in these vans, I decided to avoid them if possible.
"e. why doesn't the fact that the T&C limited costs almost $10,000 more than the odyssey come into play?"
That's list price and you should be able to talk your way into a large discount on the T&C if you are so inclined. Also, there is a heck of a lot of stuff in the T&C (most of which I personally wouldn't want anyway, like leather seats) that would have to be tacked on afterwards on the Odyssey.
However, a very close perusal of the manual seems to suggest that there is NO code for the radio/cassette deck included in the LX model. All of the documentation related to the anti-lock code mentions it only in connection with the EX.
So... do I have a code, or don't I? The service dept. is now closed (Friday evening here now), and I'd like to try the installation on Saturday if it stands a chance of being successful. Does anyone here know about this? Thanks.
2002 Ody in July. As usual, you won't see
your order until at least 3 months later.
If you are on a 5 month wait now, what do you think a "revised" Odyssey wait will be?
The Model year 2000 had a Odyssey vs the T&C LXI. D/C at that time was VERY concerned and came right out and said so.
Their biggest complaint was: the spare tire is inside the car.
We were told that having 60% of the minivan market was enough to swing the deals our way. No kidding.
Back to AMCI, these goys are the same that came up with the Grand Cherokee being the best SUV in the market place. Just take a look at the D/C forum and peek into the Grand Cherokee forums, you'll see post after post of shoddy workmanship and problems.
I don't hold much regard for this group. I would prefer to speak to customers in my service waiting area about their Odysseys.
"In response to your question regarding the type of motor oil you should use on your 2001 Odyssey, the correct weight would be 5W20. This type of motor oil is new and is used on most 2001 vehicles. This type of motor oil is also being used by other car manufacturers for their 2001 models. The reason 5W30 is printed on the oil filler cap on the engine may be due to the fact that it is the same oil filter cap that was used on our 2000 models, which used 5W30 motor oil. Again, the 5W20 motor oil is brand new and can be purchased at most Honda dealerships.
Joel Nepomuceno, Customer Relations, Automobile Service Division"
Hope this answers this question with finality! Now, of course, we have to find it at the local parts and oil stores, like Trac Auto etc. :-)
Happy driving
Does anyone understand why the oil should be different for different years since they all have the same engine and drive train? My guess is that Honda is recommending the 5W-20 for all years, and I wonder if they really think it is a good idea for areas that seldom get below freezing and can get up over 100 degrees in the summer.
Will it improve? If so why would it be less when it is brand new?
** Can I buy HondaCare warranty (7yrs/100k/$0) via web? If so, can I buy it anytime before my original warranty expires?
** I will NOT buy the so-called exterior paint protection ($500) from the dealer. Instead, I will wax my 5-day-old Odyssey with NU FINISH ($7) ASAP :-) Any thing better than NU FINISH out there?