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The dealer is trying to sell me:
** HondaCare Extended warranty (7 yrs/100k/$0) for $1400 NOW (It will cost 10% more two years later)
** Paint sealant to protect exterior paint ($500)
** "Better" security alarm ($400) - can protect against window breakage.
Did you get any of them? Should I? Many thanks.
$695.00 for the 5yr/100K 0 - stevedrew Feb 20, 2001
less than 1,000 miles and 6 year HondaCare warranty - rbadan Feb 20, 2001
7yr/75000 Honda Care for my EX for $755 - chanak Feb 21, 2001
(7 yrs/100k/$0) for $1400 NOW - twc8888 Feb 22, 2001
I looked on the Honda web site, but didn't see a list of choices. The only relevant (?) thing I saw was in the fine print for the Component Coverage, and I don't even understand this sentence:
"Not available on Honda Care Sentinel Plans except 3-year/45,000-mile plan only."
U - O - Me, pal!
Steve
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This is $400 to $500 more than you should pay. Check back in this discussion for Honda dealers that sell the Honda Care Warranty at bargain prices. You aren't limited to buying the HCW from your selling dealer, but if you present him evidence of a better price from another dealer, he might agree to match that price.
** Paint sealant to protect exterior paint ($500)
Major rip-off, run away from this one as fast as you can. $500?? Are they serious?? Sheeesh.
** "Better" security alarm ($400) - can protect against window breakage.
A security alarm that protects *against* window breakage? Is the $400 a fee to hire some guy named Rocko who stands by your parked van and keeps all potential window breakers away? What you're probably being offered is a system that *detects* the sound of breaking glass and sounds the alarm. $400 is way too much to pay for this feature, above and beyond the security features that come standard with the EX.
My advice (for what it's worth): buy the van, you won't be sorry. Buy everything else for it from someone other than your dealer, and save a ton of money. You can buy genuine Honda accessories, designed for the Odyssey, online at much better prices than your dealer will offer you. Good luck.
Dave
I would think that having lights that see around corners would be worthwhile, in some areas. It is unfortunate the Odyssey doesn't have it. Areas where you have deer crossing the road for example. Then you would know the deer was on the road just around the next corner before you got there and could then brake in time.
Billg7 - While the "see around corner" lights would be nice, I just call my psychic before I drive leave to make sure I'll be OK.
Thanks for your hints on adjusting the rear hatch for a tighter close(post #1365). I turned those black "corks" in about 3/4 of a turn and now the hatch door closes all the way without a slam. My wife says you are the hero of the month. Thanks again.
p.s. For those that care, the sole reason we got the EX over the LX was the power driver seat. The doors were just a bonus. It has been worth the extra $$ for both, but for long trips, the extra adjustment options on the driver seat are invaluable.
1. who is AMCI anyway? are they truly independent? what is a marketing consulting firm doing evaluating minivans?
2. regarding their test results
a. why would the DC vans get more points for passive safety than the odyssey, sienna, and windstar that did much better in full and offset crash tests?
b. why did they compare 2001 DC vans to 2000 models of all the other brands? did honda make any changes to the 2001 odysseys that would made a difference in any of the scores?
c. what is the utility score? i would have thought that the odyssey's magic seat would have scored really high here.
d. if they used a 2001 sienna, it would have scored first in terms of active safety because it has available side airbags, electronic stability control, and brake assist. any idea on when honda will get some of these features?
e. why doesn't the fact that the T&C limited costs almost $10,000 more than the odyssey come into play?
don't get me wrong...i think it's a dubious award anyway but i am curious as to how odyssey owners interpret this and what they think of it.
Bajas-- The comment was made in general, not at your kids but you did say I quote "I have turned them all off with the global switch on the dashboard, but the kids believe the interior lights MUST be on even in the daytime. Anyway, I find them on at least once per week." Like I said kids now days need to be told this is not acceptible.
"1. who is AMCI anyway?"
AMCI is a marketing company that works with auto manufacturers to test their vehicles against the competition, help them to certify claims and to create claims that can be advertised.
"are they truly independent?"
They are independent in as far as I doubt they are owned by any manufacturer. Their job is to help the manufacturer prove their claims.
"what is a marketing consulting firm doing evaluating minivans?"
Making money for themselves and the manufacturer.
"2. regarding their test results
a. why would the DC vans get more points for passive safety than the odyssey, sienna, and windstar that did much better in full and offset crash tests?"
We don't know what they measured and how it was measured. Maybe 5 star crash tests are worth 5 points, but the auto locking doors are worth 1000 points.
"b. why did they compare 2001 DC vans to 2000 models of all the other brands?"
I presume 2001 models were not available for testing.
"c. what is the utility score?"
See 2A above. Unless they tell us, who knows. Maybe magic seat is worth 25 points, but the multi shelf dohickey is worth 500 points.
"d. if they used a 2001 sienna, it would have scored first in terms of active safety because it has available side airbags, electronic stability control, and brake assist."
Again we don't know what they measured.
"e. why doesn't the fact that the T&C limited costs almost $10,000 more than the odyssey come into play?"
Because in the marketers eyes (and that is what I do for a living) it doesn't matter in the claim. They don't say "the best minivan ever that sells for XXX".
Take any claim for any product with a grain of salt.
IIRC, you are the one who last week posted on the MDX board that you hated your Ody and MDX. You are entitled to your opinion, but please take your negativity elsewhere.
I thought that it was noisier than the Sienna and the Caravan I drove, but it was not a night-and-day difference.
Are any publications, web sites, etc. truly independent ? Most seem to rely on automobile manufacturers for revenue, one way or another. Consumer Reports is the only exception that I know.
"b. why did they compare 2001 DC vans to 2000 models of all the other brands? "
The 2001 DC is a new model with many more changes than Odyssey or Sienna. I don't know if that actually had anything to do with it, tho.
"c. what is the utility score? i would have thought that the odyssey's magic seat would have scored really high here. ..."
For a lot of people, including me, the "magic seat" isn't a big deal and actually may be less convenient than a split rear seat.
"d. if they used a 2001 sienna, it would have scored first in terms of active safety because it has available side airbags, electronic stability control, and brake assist. any idea on when honda will get some of these features?"
The Honda has traction control as a standard feature. And after reading all of the manufacturers' warnings about the side airbags being installed in these vans, I decided to avoid them if possible.
"e. why doesn't the fact that the T&C limited costs almost $10,000 more than the odyssey come into play?"
That's list price and you should be able to talk your way into a large discount on the T&C if you are so inclined. Also, there is a heck of a lot of stuff in the T&C (most of which I personally wouldn't want anyway, like leather seats) that would have to be tacked on afterwards on the Odyssey.
However, a very close perusal of the manual seems to suggest that there is NO code for the radio/cassette deck included in the LX model. All of the documentation related to the anti-lock code mentions it only in connection with the EX.
So... do I have a code, or don't I? The service dept. is now closed (Friday evening here now), and I'd like to try the installation on Saturday if it stands a chance of being successful. Does anyone here know about this? Thanks.
2002 Ody in July. As usual, you won't see
your order until at least 3 months later.
If you are on a 5 month wait now, what do you think a "revised" Odyssey wait will be?
The Model year 2000 had a Odyssey vs the T&C LXI. D/C at that time was VERY concerned and came right out and said so.
Their biggest complaint was: the spare tire is inside the car.
We were told that having 60% of the minivan market was enough to swing the deals our way. No kidding.
Back to AMCI, these goys are the same that came up with the Grand Cherokee being the best SUV in the market place. Just take a look at the D/C forum and peek into the Grand Cherokee forums, you'll see post after post of shoddy workmanship and problems.
I don't hold much regard for this group. I would prefer to speak to customers in my service waiting area about their Odysseys.
"In response to your question regarding the type of motor oil you should use on your 2001 Odyssey, the correct weight would be 5W20. This type of motor oil is new and is used on most 2001 vehicles. This type of motor oil is also being used by other car manufacturers for their 2001 models. The reason 5W30 is printed on the oil filler cap on the engine may be due to the fact that it is the same oil filter cap that was used on our 2000 models, which used 5W30 motor oil. Again, the 5W20 motor oil is brand new and can be purchased at most Honda dealerships.
Joel Nepomuceno, Customer Relations, Automobile Service Division"
Hope this answers this question with finality! Now, of course, we have to find it at the local parts and oil stores, like Trac Auto etc. :-)
Happy driving
Does anyone understand why the oil should be different for different years since they all have the same engine and drive train? My guess is that Honda is recommending the 5W-20 for all years, and I wonder if they really think it is a good idea for areas that seldom get below freezing and can get up over 100 degrees in the summer.
Will it improve? If so why would it be less when it is brand new?
** Can I buy HondaCare warranty (7yrs/100k/$0) via web? If so, can I buy it anytime before my original warranty expires?
** I will NOT buy the so-called exterior paint protection ($500) from the dealer. Instead, I will wax my 5-day-old Odyssey with NU FINISH ($7) ASAP :-) Any thing better than NU FINISH out there?