Honda Odyssey: Problems & Solutions:(1995-2004 Models)

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  • macakavamacakava Member Posts: 775
    Great for you!

     

    I was concerned that you were fast approaching the 100K warranty period without a replacement tranny for a known manufacturer defect.

     

    There is no reason why your engine should not last for another 100K. Changing your oil and filter per recommended intervals or more frequently is cheap insurance.

     

    ENJOY!
  • goyankeesgoyankees Member Posts: 12
    Also figure on about $1200 to change the timing belt and other stuff when you get close to 105,000 miles.
  • scmelvin1959scmelvin1959 Member Posts: 13
    Hello it is me again, SCMelvin ... the one who just had the transmission replaced by Honda just for the labor costs on the 99 Odyssey even though I was at 109,000 miles. This was done in late August/early September of this year.

     

    Last night the "check engine " and "TCS" lights came on again, which were the only signs I had when my transmission went. I took the van to Honda this AM, thinking that probably my rebuilt transmission was failing as has happened to so many on this board.

     

    What they tell me is that I have excessive carbon build up in the EGR valve, which they also referred to as the "manifold". This interested me because after having the van only 9 months, I was stuck on vacation at a Honda Dealership with the same problem. The service technician at that Dealership told me that carbon build up is caused by cheap fuel, so I have diligently purchased only name-brand, middle level fuel ever since then ... apparently to no avail since I am back in the garage with the seemingly same problem.

     

    This local Honda dealership tells me that "this happens to all vehicles" and "is to be expected". He told me they will make this repair by "drilling holes in the EGR valve" and "inserting a teflon sleeve". This sounds very strange to me ... more like a recall-style fix rather than a true repair.

     

    Anyone else have this experience? Or can anyone explain this "repair"? Cost was estimated at $250-$350.

     

    Susan Melvin

     

    PS Also, within the last week I have no illumination behind my odometer .... and fuse is NOT blown ... what's up with that?
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Your Odyssey has a whopping 109,000 miles on it!

     

    I know people expect their Hondas to be perfect but things happen to ALL cars. You dealer is correct. EGR valves will carbon up after alot of miles.

     

    It sounds like you may have some burnt out bulbs in your dash. Bulbs will burn out.
  • just4fun2just4fun2 Member Posts: 461
    Susan, this problem has been going on with Honda Odys for along time. Honda should stop playing around and fix this problem. I have never heard of a car line that has had as many complaints about EGR carbon build up as with the Ody. Talk to Honda HQ and see if they are willing to help.

     

    As far as having a "Whopping" 109k, big deal. I know people who have over 150k and never had this problem, of course they aren't driving Honda's.

     

    Do a search on Edmunds for this problem and see how many people have complained about a clogged EGR.

     

    Good luck.
  • macakavamacakava Member Posts: 775
    In my previous Windstar minivan, I had the Oxygen Sensor changed twice(for the check engine light) before 45K miles before I got rid of it at 54K mile due to an engine knock, despite meticulously performing preventive maintenance.

     

    If my existing Ody or any other vehicle were to last at least 100K mile before a check engine light comes on, I would not be disappointed. For me, changing the EGR or the oxy sensor in my garage should not be a problem then.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    EGR valves get clogged with carbon on all makes and models. I too, know people with over 150K who have never had a clogged EGR, but it can happen with 40K as well. Being a Honda has nothing to do with it.

     

    Ask any independant who works on all makes and models!
  • just4fun2just4fun2 Member Posts: 461
    it has been the people with the Ody's that have been complaining about EGR valves clogging and having to get them cleaned out in the past. Every vehicle will need repairs, but the point of this story is that Honda Ody's have been known for a clogged EGR valve for sometime.

     

    I can't remember other owners of minivans complaining about their EGR's like the people who own a Honda Ody. This problem was beat to death a while back with Ody owners. Didn't Honda extend the warranty for this problem to something like 80k?

     

    Read Susan's post again. The fix requires the dealer to install "teflon" sleeves. That alone tells the average "Joe" that Honda's are having a huge problem with carbon in the EGR system. If there isn't a problem, why use the teflon? Honda isn't going to spend money researching a fix for a non-existing problem.

     

    My advise to Susan was to call and talk to Honda HQ about this problem and tell them that this is a well known problem with Honda Ody. The dealer will make more money from Susan if she pays for this out of her pocket than if Honda covers the repair. The labor rate is less to the dealer when the manufacture is footing the bill rather than the customer. So don't look for much help from the dealer.

     

    If this problem is not only with Honda Ody's, point me to the board that has as many complaints about clogged EGR as the Ody.
  • dgreene1dgreene1 Member Posts: 9
    Hi.

     

    Have a 2004 Odyssey with DVD Player, but have been unsuccessful (to-date) getting home-burned DVD's to play in it.

     

    I've only tried DVD+RW's... has anyone had success with DVD-R, DVD+R, or DVD-RW discs?

     

    Thanks in advance!
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    It seems you just enjoy bashing Hondas. I once had a clogged EGR valve on an 89 Buick. I think the Buick may have had 60,000 miles on it?

     

    It wasn't a big deal and I just accepted it as normal "things that happen".

     

    The teflon insert may be a modification to reduce the chances of it clogging again?
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    There's an advanced search tool on the left sidebar. You can search for EGR clog in the text of messages on the whole site and get some idea of how common the problem is and what vehicles it affects.

     

    Steve, Host
  • just4fun2just4fun2 Member Posts: 461
    I don't enjoy bashing Honda's or any vehicle. People come here looking for help and you defend Honda's no matter what. They aren't getting the mileage/ride or quality that they expect from buying a Honda and it is always someone elses fault, never Honda. I don't make my living selling Honda's so I have nothing to lose if Honda goes out of business. How about you?

     

    People in the past have been complaining about EGR's on Ody's with 40k having the EGR cleaned and having the same problem again and again. Show me where other makes are having this problem with the EGR, I have read plenty on the Ody boards in the past.

     

    Gee, an 89 Buick would have had the old "tech" pushrod domestic engine, not the good stuff that Honda uses today. Get real.
  • just4fun2just4fun2 Member Posts: 461
    Honda has issued a recall for the 99 Ody for EGR port clogging dated 02/03 TSB 00-009. I believe Susan has a 99 Ody.

     

    I am sure some people here will say that I am picking on Honda again!
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    I didn't know anything about a recall but that wasn't my point.

     

    My point was, simply, that after over 100,000 miles, things break, wear out or get clogged. It's to be expected within reason.

     

    My 89 Buick used the "old tech" 3800 engine that is still in use today. Great engines BTW.

     

    That has nothing to do at all with an EGR valve.
  • just4fun2just4fun2 Member Posts: 461
    Yes, things break,wear out and get clogged. Now, when these things happen over and over again because of a design problem, the manufacture should fix the vehicle no matter how many miles are on it. Who built/designed this EGR system? I don't think it was the buyer. Honda's mistake, let Honda pay, not the customer who put out good money only to have the EGR become a maintenance item like an oil change.

     

    So, at 100k a customer should be on their own to cope with problems that the manufacture can't fix? You may be selling, but I am not buying that!
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    out of a molehill. Most cars aen't affected but, yes, if it's known defect or manufacturing problem it should be fixed.
  • just4fun2just4fun2 Member Posts: 461
    The mountain/molehill think depends on if it happens to you or the other guy. Things will always happen to machines, that is a given, I just feel that a customer should not be saddled with repair bills for items that never will operate properly.

     

    I don't know if Susan's Ody ever had the recall done or not. People expect to repair somethings in a vehicle, but not the same part repeatedly.

     

    Again, good luck Susan.
  • crkeehncrkeehn Member Posts: 513
    Even the "ever reliable" Ford 3.8L engine can suffer from clogging of the EGR system. At 93K my Windstar had the problem.
  • duckownerduckowner Member Posts: 2
    i have the same problem with the "ride" of my 05 ex-l.at times it is unbearable to ride in the back.i always thought this van offer a smooth ride,but boys,was i wrong.my 96 accord gives me a much better and comfortable ride(it has 158k miles) than this oddysey.let us know how your dealer take care of this problem for you.thanks.
  • jw40010jw40010 Member Posts: 2
    I am not sure if this is the right place to post. I am shopping for an 2005 odyssey, but not sure if i need a MP3 player instead of the standard cd changer. Most of my music collections are in MP3 format, and cd changer is really not that useful to me. Ideally I want an audio system capable accepting external audio input. So can i replace the factory audio system with advanced car-stereo systems (say, MP3 player with an external plug).
  • cnoegelcnoegel Member Posts: 1
    We own a 2003 Ody LX with 22,000 miles on it. Last night it started running a bit rough and I did not drive it all day. Tonight on the way to the dealership the TCS light and the transmission light(I think) came on and the Ody sounded and felt like a vibrating tank. I immediately pulled over. Dealership said the Ody was safe to drive, but I ended up having it towed to the dealership. Any insights for my discussions with the dealership tomorrow. It has already been in the transmission recall.

     

    Thank you.
  • li_285li_285 Member Posts: 29
    I just bought a 2005 Odyssey EX 6 days ago in a bay area dealer. I have found that it is hard to close the driver door. Basically sometimes I have to close a few times to get one right. It is very easy for the door to bounce back from the closing action. I brought my car in this morning and dealer adjusted the latch but did not solve the problem. They said there was air pocket in the car if all glasses are raised. If I lower the glass all the way down, it is rather easy to close. However, even if I lowered a little bit to let the air out supposedly, it still did not work well. The dealer is going to talk to American Honda about this. Has anybody experienced this problem before?
  • denver5357denver5357 Member Posts: 319
    We bought a 2005 Ody a few weeks ago and finally decided to fire up the DVD system (it has DVD and NAVI, the NAVI has worked very well). I put in a DVD into the lower DVD player and I can hear the DVD, but I get no picture on the rear screen. The screen doesn't even seem to be on. I read the manual and touched the "rear" button and tried various combinations to get a picture, and nothing works. Weirdly, the display in the front seat doesn't seem to recognize we are playing a DVD. That is, it shows the DVD as it would a CD. When I try to get the DVD set up menus mentioned in the owner's manual to show, I can't. It is still just the CD and NAVI menus. The rear controls light up but seem to have no effect. I am playing "Finding Nemo," which was what I used in my test drives of other vans and Odys (just not this one). Any suggestions? Am I missing a master switch or something? Thanks.
  • klmaklma Member Posts: 9
    I took my 05 into the dealer on Thursday for this problem...plus, the 3rd row seat latch had broken and needed to be replaced. They said my Odyssey rode just like every other 05 they'd been in. The service tech said that if I had wanted a smoother ride I should have purchased a caravan or town & country (wish the salesman had mentioned that). He even said that it is a rougher ride than the 04 because of the tighter suspension. But none of the Odysseys we test drove rode like this. Plus, I reread the sales brochure for the 05 and it specifically says that it is a smoother ride than the 04. And the Edmunds First Road Test says "The previous Odyssey was renowned for its carlike handling and the new minivan is even better. Drivability is improved compliments of the all-new chassis and body structure which has a 20-percent increase in rigidity. Also present are new fully isolated front and rear subframes, and an improved suspension design to help absorb road bumps. Most of our test-drive consisted of fairly smooth pavement, so we went looking for some rougher terrain. A quick trip down a short dirt road confirmed our initial opinion - the new Odyssey offers a more compliant ride than the stiffer feel of the outgoing model." Another site says "The redesigned MacPherson strut front and double wishbone rear suspension has been tuned to reduce dive and squat as well as provide better wheel control over the bumpy stuff."

    This car is so popular that I'm sure they all can't ride like this or no one would want it. My husband drives an SUV (Chevy Trailblazer) and he can't stand to be in my new minivan because it rides so rough. We've spoken with our salesman and next week we will go drive some of the other 05's to see how they compare to ours. If we can't find a solution (they suggested maybe shocks froze with our cold weather last week) then I'll probably have the first 05 used minivan for sale. Bummer...we had planned to keep this car for 10+ years (our last car was an 88 Caprice) and hate to lose money (including all that sales tax we paid). By the way, if we trade it in for another vehicle, do we pay sales tax on the full amount or just new car minus the trade in value? Other than the rough ride I truly love this vehicle!
  • li_285li_285 Member Posts: 29
    Today when I started my one week old 2005 Odyssey EX and put it on R, I heard continuous sharp sound (like a warning sound sort). I checked everything and the sound was still there driving me crazy. Finally I went outside and opened and closed each door and the sound went away. I did not know what was going on? Has anyone experienced before? I would say now it was a bad decision for me to buy a Odyssey. I had two problems already in one week.
  • jhicksjhicks Member Posts: 3
    Do you happen to know exactly what it was that the service tech fixed on your passenger strut tower on your 03LX? We have the exact same problem on our 04 and can't seem to convince the dealership that there's is a problem in the front passenger wheel area. I told them that my guess was that it was coming from the shock tower area. However, they quickly dismissed this. I would love to be able to pinpoint the problem for them. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
  • jim23jim23 Member Posts: 1
    Has anyone heard of the Odysseys having problems with the front plastic nose cover breaking due to wind force? We just purchased an 05 EX-L. While driving on a two-laned road we heard a loud 'pop' on the front left just as we passed another vehicle heading in the opposite direction. At first I thought we had a blow out of the front left tire. We did not see anything in the road or anything come across the lane from the other vehicle. There are no impact marks from an object or animal striking the vehicle. The front plastic nose cover is cracked in two places toward the bottom. (This part is pretty thin at the bottom.) Before I have it fixed, I wanted to see if there are any known problems of this nature. Any suggestions? Thanks.
  • macakavamacakava Member Posts: 775
    I am just trying to diagnose from afar.

     

    Was this sound similar/same as when the sliding door(s) are open and the car is in gear, i.e. not in park. If that is the case and the sound is present even when the gear in Park, then I suspect that it may be a faulty/dirty sliding door sensor or the sliding door is not closedd properly.

     

    By opening and closing the door, you may have corrected the problem. Is the same problem recurring under similar conditions.
  • pmnpmn Member Posts: 1
    Found the exact same prob on exact same model. I checked & replaced oil filter. Not fixed. I am going to try and remove that oil filter housing & look at the gasket there.
  • vpatelvpatel Member Posts: 17
    I dont think you made a bad decision.

    This is simply a safety issue.If you had put the shifter in D,the alarm would still sound as this is the verbal warning system,because most folks dont look at the visual light on the instrument panel.

    It covers all the REAR doors plus tailgate.Olso sounds when the shifter is in D or R and your kid tries to open the rear sliding door from the inside while driving.(sounds for 5sec.).Do the test yourself and u will see .I think it is a great safety feature,especially if the radio or res is on and you cant listen as what the back passengers are doing.

    ps.you olso have to unlock all the doors with your remote from outside (press 2 times) before you can open any sliding door with your remote as well.

     

    As for the folks with a BUMPY ride,simly deflate your tires to 33psi and that will solve the problem.

     

    As for road noise,Michellin is the noisiest tire on the market,but one of the best and Honda uses them on all their vehicles.

    Goodyear Avid Touring tires have very little road noise.

     

    Good Luck,

    Vic,05 EXL+RES
  • user777user777 Member Posts: 3,341
    Right front passenger wheel-well area when traversing small bumps at slow speeds....

     

    The shop lead tech took a drive and noted the sound right away. With confidence, he said he had personally seen it a number of times and knew he could fix it....He indicated that on a number of ODYs that had this issue, the solution was to dismount / disconnect the strut from the strut tower, grind down some irregular welds at the strut / strut tower interface, apply a grease / lubricant to the area, and re-assemble.

     

    And 19K miles later, it is still quiet!

     

    I *think* that either the Acura MDX, the Pilot or the ODY had a TSB on the strut tower and this exact same issue... I remember seeing someone had posted a link to it. Maybe you can do some searching, or ask Steve the Host if he has a super secret means of doing an Advanced Forum Search.

     

    Then again, maybe a kind soul with access to TSB contents can post something for you.

     

    Anyway, look at message #110 in the Accura MDX Problems and Solutions Forum. It describes spot weld burs that needed to be ground down. This was pretty much exactly what they had to do to the front passenger strut tower on my ODY.

     

    Hope it helps.
  • user777user777 Member Posts: 3,341
    I *think* it was message #3388 in this forum. The link to the JPG is now stale, but the service bulletin number may still be good.

     

    Good luck!
  • li_285li_285 Member Posts: 29
    Thanks for the reply. I did not hear any sound when the gear was in park and did not observe any warning light of any doors open. However, I would surely think along the direction you pointed out if this ever happens again.
  • hachhach Member Posts: 2
    I have bought EX-2005 a month ago and I have the same problem with driver side door and the back door. I have to slam the doors to close properly.
  • aokiaoki Member Posts: 11
    Just picked-up my 05 Ody Touring and now have about 160 miles on it. What you hear/feel might be similar to what I'm experiencing as well. I also "sense" it more on rough asphalt and not just on start up. Honda tech checked it out but so far can only report that it might be initial break-in braking noise. Told service advisor that I will put more miles on the vehicle and if the grinding noise remains, I'll bring it back.

     

    My sense is that it might be related to tire noise from the PAX tires in my case. On smooth asphalt, the ride is smooth and quiet.

     

    If you learn anything, please post your findings. Thanks.
  • szeeszee Member Posts: 2
    Just got the EXL nav/res. For those of you who already have the van, if you remove the "extra" seat in the second row, is there supposed to be some sort of covering/carpet to cover the floor anchors, etc. I took out this seat in order to get access to the 3rd row, but it looks awful on the floor. Shouldn't there be something supplied to cover this, and if so, where do I find it? I did find a piece of small carpet/covering in the lazy susan to cover the floor under the 2nd row passenger seat if it is moved to the center position, but it isn't big enough to cover this middle area when the middle seat is gone.
  • runjohnrunjohn Member Posts: 1
    I bought an 05-EX three days ago and both the driver door and back door need to be closed pretty hard to get them to latch. I had a 99 and have an 01 EX. Neither of them acted this way.
  • cantuancantuan Member Posts: 1
    Hi, I have a 04' and it does those sounds when you don't have the sliding doors completely close. What happens is that sometimes it looks that they are close, but in fact they are less than one inch apart from the locked position. What I suggest is that you check before putting your car in D or R, check the red lights that tell you if the car has an open door. In the case that this lights are not on and you still have the sound, do what you did, go and open each door and close it. But this time do one at the time, it will take time but you will now which door is causing you trouble. After you open and close one door, go back to the driver seat and put it on D or R. When the sounds goes off, you know it was that last door you close.

     

    After that, if you are not having the red light on that door (panel), you have to go to the dealer and let them know the problem.
  • vitaliyvitaliy Member Posts: 5
    I've got front glass crack on my Ody 2000 which expanding from the cold weather up to 2/3 of the glass length already. Dealer said that repair is not covered by my Honda Care 7/100000 warranty, so the questions is :

    1) Is it reliable to replace the original front glass by the third party one (about $400) or I must use the original Honda's (provided by dealer only for more then $700) front glass only?

    2) Is there any tricks which I should pay attention?

     

    I'll appreciate any opinions and shared experience.
  • goyankeesgoyankees Member Posts: 12
    scmelvin1959

     

    How did you get Honda to replace the transmission at 109,000? Who did you call and how much arm twisting did you have to do. My transmission just went at 116K
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    IIRC, PPG was the OEM for the 00 Odyssey. I called a PPG glass center to replace the windshield on my 00 Odyssey.

     

    Will your insurance cover it?

     

    Good Luck.
  • aveave Member Posts: 4
    I just bought an 05 odyssey EX 2 days ago. The VSA light comes on quite often and stays on, even while parking. It doesn't blink as the manual stays, but has "VSA" and "!" in yellow with no blinking. The only way to get it off is to turn the ignition off and restart the car. I always have the VSA button to default, i.e, "On". Please help with any feedback. Thanks so much in advance.
  • macakavamacakava Member Posts: 775
    I have observed the same on my Ody as well.

     

    What I believe is happening is that a gentle closing/push just engages the first/one of the two latches or the first of two stages - this may be safety feature. A stronger closing/push gets both latches/stages engaged.

     

    I believe that over time that it would be easier to accomplish both latches/stages with less effort as the resistance offerred by the door rubber weather stripping would be less. It may be possible to adjust the latches for an easier initial closing, but as the rubber weather stripping ages, rattles may occur. So this may be a trade-off...

     

    Just some thoughts...
  • innorristninnorristn Member Posts: 39
    My new '05 Odyssey has a rattle/noise in the area of the passenger sliding door when I drive over rough pavement. I took it in to the dealer and told them I thought it was in the door. They replaced the handle crank assembly, but it didn't fix the noise. The noise sounds to me like a thin sheet of metal rattling - it's kind of high pitched. Has anyone else had this problem?
  • innorristninnorristn Member Posts: 39
    After I got home from picking up my 05 Odyssey which had been in the service dept at the dealer for 6 days (part during Holiday), I noticed two places on the hood that the paint was damaged. My husband said one of the places, which has 2 small holes, looks like the mechanic dropped a wrench on it - perhaps when opening the hood to disconnect the battery with the wrench. The other place is about 3 feet from the first one and has a small hole with couple of tiny scratches next to it. I am taking it back in to the service dept tomorrow so they can try again to find the door rattle mentioned above. I plan to point out the damages and ask them to repaint the hood. I feel it will just be my word against theirs that the damage was not already there when I took the car in the first time. (I picked the car up on Nov 27, but didn't take it in to get the noise fixed until Dec 23. However, I feel certain I would have noticed the damage if it had been there prior to Dec 23.)

    Does anyone have any experience with anything like this?
  • eyeblindeyeblind Member Posts: 156
    In my experience the service advisor does a "walk around" of the car when you bring it in. They look for scratches and dings on your car before it goes into the garage. This is done, obviously, to protect themselves from dishonest folks trying to make false damage claims against the dealer. When they do this walk around my car I walk with them to see what they mark. I've seen them have a picture of a car and seen them circle areas of damage. I'll even point out scratches I know about. Your service advisor might have something like this on record.

    Before I leave the dealer I do a walk around my car to make sure they have not scratched my car. If they have done some damage it is harder to prove it once you have left.

     

    Good Luck
  • johnny2003johnny2003 Member Posts: 24
    I remember being shown this at the dealership when we bought our 05. I "think" the cover(s) is under one of the other second row seats, but you can check with your dealership for sure.
  • jhicksjhicks Member Posts: 3
    Thanks a million for the response. I certainly appreciate it. I did find that other post about the TSB on the Honda Pilot. I too found that the link was stale. However, I did search the NHTSA website for all of the TSBs on the Pilot and ODY in the last two years and came up empty handed. I'll try for the MDX next. Thanks again. Now I tell the service department exactly what the problem is. If you can imagine, the first time I took it in they told me it was "normal." The most recent trip in, last week, they told me it was the plastic air damn below the windshield wipers. At least now I know I'm not the crazy one! Thanks again.
  • jhicksjhicks Member Posts: 3
    Within two weeks of owning our 04 Ody we had to replace the front windshield due to a stone. We used a third party glass company and have had absolutely no problems. I would check with your insurance company first to see if your windshield is covered. I would be surprised if it isn't. Especially if it was caused by road debris.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,518
    I notice that the front door takes a decent shove to close if everything else on the van is shut. Just a result of the extra weathersealing on the door (helps keep noise level down also), and being very airtight.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

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