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Hyundai Elantra 5-door

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    silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    I guess the previous post is as good an example as any of why you can't judge cars (or much of anything for that matter) by comparing lists of stats. Not to put the Hyundai down, but a BMW it isn't. Nevertheless, I plan on taking a hard look at the Elantra GT soon to see if it fits the bill - unlike a lot of people (and virtually everyone shopping Bimmers), I'm interested in giving Hyundai a chance.
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    diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    According to this web site, a V6 in the new Tiburon might become a reality:

    http://4car.co.uk/
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    backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I brought my GLS in for service around 1000 miles only because my dealer, Denny Hecker's Rosedale Hyundai in Roseville, MN, invited me to bring it in for a free inspection as part of their new-car service program. It also gave me a chance to ask them about a couple of screw-hole plugs on the armrests that had fallen off in cold weather. I think they gave everything the once-over, checked belts, hoses, fluids, bolts etc. No oil change then--I had the first one done around 3300 miles and plan to stick to a 3000-3500 mile interval, since that's every six months for me. Other than those two visits and a 10-minute stop to get my 2nd remote programmed (the first cars shipped over here had only one, parts shortage), that's been it for service in almost 5000 miles.
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    mpgmanmpgman Member Posts: 723
    Noticed the Michelins have a maximum inflation rating of 44psi. Don't have my owner's manual handy....what is the recommended psi for the GT anyone? Thanks.
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    silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    ... should be posted on a sticker located on your door jamb or in your glovebox - you shouldn't need your manual. The 44 psi you see printed on the tire is a max inflation pressure specified by Michelin - don't run your tires that high!
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    compensatecompensate Member Posts: 212
    First, I didn't realize that Kia was now owned by Hyundai. Is this true? Very shocking to me, if so.

    I had the opportunity a couple of months ago to look at quite a few Kias on a dealer lot. I noticed that the paint on almost every car on the lot (all models) looked very thin, with about half of the cars' paint jobs showing visible defects (haze, heavy swirls, body metal showing, etc.). That's all I had to see to steer me away from Kia.

    Looking at Kia prices, the Spectra GSX appears to be priced slightly higher than the Elantra GLS. I can't imagine anyone wanting to buy a Spectra over the Elantra when you compare standard equipment, performance, and fit and finish. No contest, in my book!
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    silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    Hyundai does in fact own a controlling interest in Kia. The previous post makes me curious - to those of you who've purchased a 2001 Elantra GT or GLS, how do you feel about the fit and finish? Did your car have significant quality defects at the time of delivery?
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    uttutt Member Posts: 16
    I think Hyundai GT's have excellent fit & finish, inside and out. I've traced the seams between body panels on both the GTs & Pro5s (sitting side by side on the same dealer lot) and the GT is consistently tight & uniform. All 3 of the Pro5s I looked at had variations in both seam size and paint - as if the paint "dripped" into the crevices between body panels. Even found an obvious paint flaw on the coveted yellow Pro 5 (selling for a premium!). Pro5's paint generally seems richer and thicker though - more coats maybe? None of this stops anyone from admiring the Pro5. Anyway its kinda strange how we are willing to overlook flaws on other cars but would just die if they occurred on a Hyundai.
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    diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    Although Kia is now owned by Hyundai, I wouldn't go for the older Kia models just yet (since they are remnants of the Kia of yore). Something like the new Kia Optima, built off the Hyundai Sonata platform, I would probably try. But other Kia models, I would wait until the redesign, hopefully by then Hyundai would have a hand in the overall engineering of the vehicles.
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    mpg5mpg5 Member Posts: 68
    how much mor HP can be squeezed out of the GT or PRO5, and how much would these upgrades cost. thinking 1.8t 4dr golf, with chip upgrade this car flies, but it's so small. maybe 1.8t jetta wagon as well, however, could they have made it any more bland looking??? has anyone heard pxing on suzuki sport wagon??? or matrix/vibe???
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    cheverlycheverly Member Posts: 7
    I love my GT (5sp silver w. ABS), but am bothered by a misaligned driver-side rear door, off about 1/16 to 1/8 of an inch (not as trivial as it sounds) compared to the driver's door. Wonder how quality control at the factory let this one get by, since fit and finish otherwise are excellent in the car. Beyond this noticeable cosmetic defect, and a passenger seat that gives a little (loose rachet?), no other problems to report, after a full month's driving.

    JA
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    compensatecompensate Member Posts: 212
    I finally was able to speak with the salesperson I had e-mailed at a local Hyundai dealer. We talked a bit on the phone and he seemed to be willing to sell me a GT near invoice. I told him I did not want to spend hours negotiating prices and he assured me it would go quickly.

    I was in an out in about 45 minutes. During that time, he took down my credit info, someone inspected my potential trade-in (1998 Escort Wagon), and let me drive off by myself for a test drive in a Pewter GT 5-speed. I have to say, it felt very nice. The salesperson did try to hint at me not being able to get too much on my Escort, but I assured him that wagons were coming on strong these days and he should be able to sell my Escort wagon (low miles) for at least $7900.

    He said he'd call me tomorrow around 1:30pm and let me know his final prices (price of GT and Escort trade-in). If he meets my requirements, I may be driving it home tomorrow.

    This dealer also had two other GTs on the lot. One red 5-speed with sunroof and floor mats and a black auto with sunroof and floor mats.

    We'll see what happens! I'll try to contain my excitement to the salesperson, of course!
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    cjaccettacjaccetta Member Posts: 236
    I hope you get your wish and can drive home in a new GT. You will not be disappointed if you do! I think I put 75 miles on mine the night I brought it home.

    With regard to fit and finish, I did not see anything wrong with my GT when I picked it up (during which time I carefully inspected it). After one month of ownership and 1600 miles the only two things I've noticed are a very tiny piece of rough seam on the steering wheel stitching and a driver's power window switch that can be "wiggled" slightly in its base. That's all. I continue to be satisfied every single day that I drive this car.

    By the way, has anyone compard the body panel gaps of the GT to other cars? If you do, you'll find that Hyundai fitted the pieces together with very low tolerances for a $14,000 car. The panels on mine are tighter than my neighbor's Protege ES. And it's absolutley no comparison between the GT and some domestic brands.

    Happy Motoring.
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    backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I bought an early 2001 GLS in October. To me, the fit and finish is at least as good as any other car I've owned--that includes two Civics, two Corollas, two Sentras, a Celica, and various other cars/vans. As noted by others, the panel gaps are really good--nice and even. The paint has a smooth finish, just a tiny trace of orange peel--better than Hondas and Toyotas I've owned. Probably the only car I've owned with a better paint finish was my '97 Sentra--it was a little smoother and glossier. The only nits on fit/finish on my car are that I wish the clearcoat were a little thicker, to stand up better to parking-lot scrapes, and a couple of the screw-hole covers on the armrests fell off in cold weather (easy to fix). The only real quality problem with my GLS was fixed before delivery--the side air bag recall that affected some of the first cars shipped over here. That should not be a factor for your GT. I still marvel every day how Hyundai could build such a solid, quality car that can be had for about $11K (GLS 5spd pkg 2, based on current ads in my area). And consider that the MSRP of the GT, fully loaded, is about the same as the Civic LX with side air bags--with tons less content than the GT.
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    azzi1azzi1 Member Posts: 3
    I have had my Hyundai GT one week and can tell you I am very pleased with it. I traded a 1999 Elantra for it. When I started reading the post here I was very excited about seeing the vehicle. The one I got is red with all the toys. The only thing that is not in my vehicle is the ABS. I can live without that. This is so much more of a car than I thought. I almost had the Tiburon bought until I drove the GT. I havent found anything I am unhappy with...
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    mf28mf28 Member Posts: 1
    After long time with dealer got a price of 15900 on 2001 red GT , automatic, package seven (ABS,moonroof). I live in northern NJ. Could I do better? Haven't committed to the price yet and I am willing to continue to negotiate. The dealer really made it sound like we were making them take a loss, but I don't feel 100% secure about making this deal.
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    csandstecsandste Member Posts: 1,866
    I had hoped to drive my mother-in-laws old Nova until early next year at which time the Elantra GT's would be more plentiful and the Focus ZX-5's on the market. It died on Friday. Since there are no 5 speed GT's in the area, I'm probably going to have to choose between a GLS and a ZX-3.

    In my opinion the Elantra is more refined and probably has better build quality, the ZX-3 is sportier and will probably have better resale (although Hyundai will improve). Both are equal in room. Your thoughts please (I'm also posting this in the other brand's forum, I expect I'll get fans of each car on their home ground.)
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    backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I think you hit it on the head: ZX3 is sportier, GLS is more refined (e.g. more comfortable ride). They may have similar room, but access to the rear is much easier in a 4dr--but since you're strongly considering a 2dr, that is probably not important to you. Resale is a question mark for both, since they are too new to have much of a track record. I recommend you choose the car that you enjoy driving more, since they have a distinctly different feel--the ZX3 is tuned for crisp handling, the GLS for smooth, quiet highway cruising. Also be sure to spend a lot of time in the driver's seat of both; some test reports have stated that the Focus' front seat is uncomfortable (which was true for me also), but each body is different. Check out the stereo, too. The stereo on the Focus SEs that I've rented sounds better to me than the base unit on the GLS.
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    claudiner29claudiner29 Member Posts: 3
    I finally bought the Elantra GT today and please tell me I didn't make a huge mistake. I test drove the GT 4 times over the last 6 weeks before buying today and am scared perhaps I didn't pay close enough attention test driving the one I finally purchased (the only one I could find in my area in Pewter with automatic transmission and ABS). The ride feels way too rough!!! I was driving on the freeway home and drove it straight to a tire center to have the tires checked in hope that they were improperly inflated or out of balance. Nope. It also pulls hard to the right when accelerating from a stop, seems to straighten out about 40 mph. Hopefully can be corrected with a quick alignment from the dealer. I am really concerned about this rough feeling ride, though? Could I have gotten a car with a suspension problem? Anyone else have these problems? Any suggestions? I love everything else about this car.
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    silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    Well, we test drove an Elantra GT this weekend - pewter, five-speed, and moonroof. The exterior design is very nice, and looks much better than expected, especially from the front. The interior was a bit of a letdown. I would prefer a nice subdued cloth of perforated leatherette over the so-so quality leather. The plastics and vinyls are mostly hard to the touch, and don't have the quality feel of the ZX3 we own now. Driving impressions were also a mixed bag, with the ZX3 getting the nod for a smoother ride over uneven pavement, and steering and cornering in a more controlled and predictable manner. I wanted to like the GT more, but I'm on the fence - guess we'll just keep the ZX3, deal with its quirks and problems, and keep looking.
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    bri70bri70 Member Posts: 147
    I test drove a Mazda Protege5 and Elantra GT yesterday. With the Mazda every nick and cranny on the road was felt. Maybe I'm getting old, but it was too much for my taste. The steering on the Pro5 was superior with a tighter feel. I felt like the GT has a little more low end torque though not a dramatic difference between the two cars.

    The Elantra had a very nice balanced ride. Overall I prefer the ride of the GT over the Pro5. Though the Pro5 has a nicer exterior styling (IMHO).
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    compensatecompensate Member Posts: 212
    Do NOT ever think that a deal with most new car salesmen is ever gonna be easy.

    After being shunned all weekend by the salesperson (said the bank was not responding well this past Saturday), the salesperson was not able to meet my initial negotiated stats. Oh well. Wanted to give me $5500 on my trade - I think I could get at least $6500 - this wagon is in pristine condition. I've even dumped about $250 in cost of parts for maintenance on it (did labor myself). So, they can bite me. He kept using sales ploys on me, like they have to sell a 43,000 mile care to a wholesaler? Please give me a break. With the trend on wagons/hatches and fuel economy (my Escort wagon gets consistent 36 mpg and doesn't burn a drop of oil), I know he could sell it within a few weeks.

    And I didn't even want a GT with a moonroof! That would save me $540!

    On to the the next local-area Hyundai dealer, then!

    Good luck to others here. Get your info, and stick to your trade price and new caew price!
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    diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    Some of the Hyundai dealers have become downright cocky in the last few months. Before, they used to circle the lots like vultures. Now, they act like they don't even need your money. Take their hint and just go on to the next dealer.
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    bri70bri70 Member Posts: 147
    Its true. I'm in North Jersey. I noticed that dealers are now putting on "appearance packages" to the GT which brings the list price to over $18K! I know people rarely pay list but still.

    I like Hyundai, and prefer their cars. But these guys are smoking some good stuff if they think I would spend nearly 18K for an economy car.
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    jc77jc77 Member Posts: 14
    I'm moving to LA, CA in a few weeks and was interested in checking out the elantra GT. has anyone there bought one, for around how much, and what dealership? i also hear there is a charge for a CA emission engine. i could be wrong though.
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    vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I checked out an Elantra GT at the dealership today, just for fun. It is a nice car, and the fit and finish is nice too. I asked the dealer what they were going for, and he said full retail until they build more. I laughed all the way back to my car. :)
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    dougndodougndo Member Posts: 136
    We didn't buy an Elantra GT because it didn't go on sale in time for us to buy it. However, we've purchased both a 2001 Tiburon and a 2001 Sonata GLS Leather from Lamar Hyundai at the Cerritos Auto Mall in Cerritos CA. This was after visiting four other dealerships that didn't impress us much. (I literally walked out on one of them.) The process at Lamar was easy and pain free. We used the same saleswoman both times, but the sales manager and the F&I manager were top notch, too.

    Hope this helps you, and welcome to LALA Land.
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    kchandydogkchandydog Member Posts: 10
    Bought my GT a couple of weeks ago. Got a black 5-speed with no options for $14,000, including delivery (so about $500 MSRP). Probably could have gotten a better deal, but I was not in the mood to haggle and this was the only manual in Kansas City.

    I am very happy with the car. With a few exceptions, the fit and finish seem very nice. There are some things that are kind of cheap and I wonder how long they will last: sun visors (cheap looking and do not snap in and out well); putting up the rear seats so that the rear seat backs fold flat seems like it requires too much force; the clamps holding the back cover will not hold up if it is constantly removed; a lack of paint on one edge on the back hatch area. I don't love the clutch either; have stalled it a couple of times a stop lights.

    Other than that, the car looks and drives great. Very nice looking, drives very nice (reasonable acceleration and handling), and is very comfortable inside. Although I generally like cloth over leather, the leather significantly improves the appearance of the GT over the sedan, with that ugly fabric. Also, the rear hatch area is pretty spacious. Although my dog is too tall, most dogs, even some larger breeds, would have plenty of room in the hatch area without folding the rear seats.

    I also looked at the Mazda Protege 5, VW 1.8t Golf, and Subaru Impreza Wagon. For me, the GT was the best combination of price, performance, comfort, space and styling. It is a very competent car with a ton of features at a great price. Let's just hope I don't need that extensive warranty.
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    uryourworduryourword Member Posts: 12
    I just turned 1000 miles on my GT. When I first drove it home, it felt very rough over the bumps. I thought something was wrong! Then I realized that I've been driving a Dodge Stratus for the past 3 years, which has a very dead feeling over bumps. After 1000 miles, the suspension is not so stiff. Give it time to break in a little more. You made a fine purchase decision, don't worry. This car is sooooo quiet cruising at 75 mph! I love it. I especially love the double takes.
    -uryourword
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    mpgmanmpgman Member Posts: 723
    2700 miles to date. About the hard ride. Check your tire pressure. I just did and found that they were cold inflated to around 50 psi. I asked the dealer if they were set properly when I took delivery and the service manager said "Yes." So much for that. Suspect they were never checked from the time that they were loaded on the boat, and most likely inflated that way to prevent flat spots in transit.

    Only things needing attention are the fuel gauge which won't go to full anymore, and one of the rear seat back buttons that I pushed in too far. They need some type of limiter for that if they don't already.

    Interestingly, my best mpg seems to occur around a steady 70....getting around 35 at that speed with the auto.

    Oil level still just below full. No other problems so far.
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    mpgmanmpgman Member Posts: 723
    Most dealers will tell you they won't deal until you make it clear you are ready to close a deal that minute. Amazing what can happen. Mine started at list plus the $1500 add-on pack. Ten minutes later it was $800+ under list, despite the fact that it was the only one he had, was in high demand (auto, roof, pewter, ABS, traction control), and other propective test drivers were hovering about the showroom floor. Know what the car costs the dealer, make a fair offer, and you might be surprised at the results.
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    dbwellsdbwells Member Posts: 44
    Just messing around the other day, I put in 90210 for the zip at carsdirect. What outstanding prices they give for Hyundais there! For instance, the base GT INCLUDING destination and dealer fees is only $13,453! Yes folks, that is under invoice. An auto with package 7 rings up at $15,269! What gives? I would suggest anyone looking for a Hyundai on the west coast to give carsdirect a try. Too bad these prices don't exist everywhere.

    DW
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    triumphtripletriumphtriple Member Posts: 10
    Does anyone have any 'insider' info on the 2002 Elantra GT? I'm curious about availability of manual trannys, fixes in some of the little imperfections that I've been reading about, etc.
    I've driven the GLS, but not the GT. The power seemed adequate (certainly not slow), but I'm slightly spoiled with my 87 Saab Turbo. I'm debating buying a GT, but availability in central Florida seems to be slim.
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    mpgmanmpgman Member Posts: 723
    Guess the problem is that the rich don't buy Hyundais as a rule, so maybe they are discounting them there due to poor sales. On the other hand....it is easier to gouge the less informed, and the less affluent who can't name a deal with a checkbook in hand.
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    seminole_kevseminole_kev Member Posts: 1,696
    I really was seriously thinking about the Elantra GT but the IIHS just finished testing the new Elantra GLS sedan and the results were not good. Too bad. I really was interested in it. Guess that narrows it down to a Focus ZX5, VW Golf or a Protege5 (if tested).
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    silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    I just scratched the GT off my list as well. A "poor" rating from the IIHS isn't necessarily a deal breaker, because it is just another piece of data from which a buyer draws conclusions, but it is enough for me to get pushed off the fence and to decide to look elsewhere.
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    pearlbluesoulpearlbluesoul Member Posts: 30
    I was reading about these test results too at the News Releases section of http://www.hwysafety.org. It looks like the problem was late-deploying airbags that didn't malfunction in the Institute's first crash test of the Elantra. Those results are really abyssmal!

    This is quite disappointing since the GT was basically at the top of my "short-list". There are enough choices still left that I don't need to settle for an unsafe car.


    Is there any chance that these results apply only to the GLS sedan and not to the GT?
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    vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    The Protege5 is going to have the same crash ratings as the Protege sedan does. And I can tell you already that the Golf is going to do better than the Protege5 in tests. Golfs are safer, if more expensive, cars. And the Golf is a "best pick" in the IIHS testing.

    I was looking at an Elantra GT the other day, and it found it to be a nice car. But the IIHS rating has made me cross it off my list too. I was in an auto accident myself almost 3 years ago, and I want a car that's as safe as possible to drive in the event of a misfortune.
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    seminole_kevseminole_kev Member Posts: 1,696
    I swear I had looked at the IIHS site for the latest Protege scores. Must have missed it. Thanks for tipping me off. Sometimes my eyes just refuse to see what's in front of them!
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    pearlbluesoulpearlbluesoul Member Posts: 30
    The test scores today were for the Elantra and not the Protege. You can view them at:

    http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/0103.htm
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    seminole_kevseminole_kev Member Posts: 1,696
    previous test scores for the protege that I hadn't notice. He was aware of today's test scores for the Elantra.
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    mpgmanmpgman Member Posts: 723
    Are the results for the GLS to be expected to be exactly the same for the GT? They share a platform, but the back of the chassis is different. Does that change anything? I notice that some 2 door models can really differ in the tests from 4 door models built on the same platform. And can't airbags be changed if there are defects in deployment time? The bottom line is that unless an accident mimics the test exactly, all bets are off. Still....better results would be more comforting!
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    seminole_kevseminole_kev Member Posts: 1,696
    tend to be slightly less structually secure because they don't have the section between the back seats and the trunk. The two door verses 4 door differences have to do with where the B-pillar is (further back normally on a 2-door) and also (I'm guessing here) that the back seat section may not have a beam running through the side like a door must have, thus not providing the same protection. That last part is a guess.
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    lngtonge18lngtonge18 Member Posts: 2,228
    Isn't it funny when people love to join the bandwagon when it comes to poor ratings for anything. Everyone wanted to join the bandwagon when the news made a big deal out of a small number of deaths caused by airbags. A lot of people kept saying how unsafe airbags were and how they wanted to turn them off, without really thinking through whether they were really bad or not. And now, they are just as quick to claim the Elantra is terrible simply because of the injuries caused by the airbag not working properly. This test proves that airbags are a worthwhile addition. Without the airbag, the dummy's head hit the steering wheel. What do you guys think happened in all those pre-airbag equipped cars you used to drive around? If it wasn't for that problem, the Elantra would have performed well. Let's hope this test will instigate Hyundai to figure out what's wrong with the airbag sensors and initiate a recall to fix it. They also need to investigate whether the seat latches need to be redesigned. Otherwise, the strong structural performance of the Elantra still proves it is a safer car than many of the other small cars, like the Mirage, Sephia, Neon, and Protege. It's safety cage stayed completely intact and there was more survival space in there than in the Jetta. I wouldn't be so quick to cross off the Elantra due to a miscalculation in sensor specifications that I have full confidence in Hyundai fixing. Hyundai is not about to let its sales get hurt by a poor crash rating.
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    craynericrayneri Member Posts: 15
    I checked that insurance institute website, compared the Hyundai versus the civic. The civic did excellent on EVERY mark. I guess the saying is true....you get what you pay for. There is a reason Hyundai can give you alot of bang for the buck. THEY HAVE TO cut corners, and safety is one of those points. The results of the test are evident, when compared to the civic. I was ready to get that elantra gt, but now I must wait. SAFETY is the most important thing when buying a car.....the warranty and price are useless if you are dead/injured when it could be avoided buying a different car. Nothing is going to make me buy that elantra at this point.
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    seminole_kevseminole_kev Member Posts: 1,696
    I understand what your saying. Still it doesn't instill a ton of confidence if a vehicle doesn't get good ratings. Personaly, I think that the IIHS test is a better test than the NHSTA's test. Also for makes also sold in Europe, EuroNCAP is a good site to check for scores.

    *****This was post was in response to lngtonge18. Not the post directly above. Sorry for not making that clear******
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    pearlbluesoulpearlbluesoul Member Posts: 30
    Intonge18, I don't agree with your point on the Hyundai being safer than the Mirage, Sephia, Neon, and Protege. If you look at the IIHS's table for small cars, you'll see that its in fact second-to-last right now (only superior to the Sephia).

    As to you other point about Hyundai fixing this problem, I also think that's likely given that their reputation is on the line. This may end up increasing its selling price, which will probably hurt sales. And there's no telling how long it will take them to fix the faults. Will this mean a recall for the '01 Elantra's?
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    diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    Just when you thought Hyundai could pull it off...
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    cjaccettacjaccetta Member Posts: 236
    I agree 100% with post #546. lngtonge18, as usual, making sense....

    Safety starts with the structure of the car, not the add-ons like airbags. The Elantra's structure resulted in the driver survival space being well maintained in the offset crash test.

    Yes, the late-deploying airbag is a slight concern but it's nothing that can't be fixed. Could the late deployment have been caused by the heavy plastic cover in the center of the steering wheel? Ever take a close look at that thing? I'm surprised the expanding airbag can force its way past it!

    Even though Hyundai has a keen interest in seeing the Elantra perform well (and I expect a recall to fix that front airbag sensor - like the side airbag recall several months ago) there's no reason to expect the Elantra won't continue to sell well despite a "poor" rating. Anyone who reads that test result carefully will see that the basic structure is sound.

    Happy Motoring (which I'll be doing a lot of in my Ultra-Dangerous Death Trap Hyundai Elantra GT)!
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    destro2001destro2001 Member Posts: 15
    Yes, safety is the most important thing to consider when driving. But a good driver doesn't need to ever get in an accident (i.e. I've been driving for 7 years now in California and Chicago, and not one accident or even ticket even though I drive pretty fast) no matter what other drivers are doing. And please, am I the only one tired of hearing this "Well, yup! I guess you get what you pay for afterall! And with a Hyundai, it's not much!"?? Don't judge these cars with different standards than you would judge other makes.
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