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  • tblazer503tblazer503 Posts: 620
    Ken, mine reads right there too, except during the winter, then it reads like one notch down. Right now, its about 90 deg here and its just hanging out at midpoint. Just be happy, there was one guy about a month ago whose temp was hanging out at the 230-240 range =)If you have an IR gun, you can probably check it at the top of the radiator or at the thermostat housing (the upper main cooling line from the radiator where it connects to the engine) I believe that the thermostat housing is the general area for the temp switch. Probably will come out a little cooler because its not the actual fluid you are getting the temp from, there will be that metal as a buffer. hope this helps. rned
  • tblazedtblazed Posts: 945
    "hydraulic hood props" or actually gas-charged "lift supports" are OK until they loose their pressure after 4-5 years. They have gone "flat" on every car I have owned that had them. Especially the engine-hood ones exposed to lots of heat. The prop rod won't wear out. Cheap but effective.

    My TB temp gauge is constant about 1/2 the pointer width below the 210° mark, no matter if it's 40° or 97° outside.

    Very interesting front fascia on this TB sure would look good on my LS!

  • tblazer503tblazer503 Posts: 620
    i believe thats a front end to a envoy. i've seen the mesh before, and there is i believe speedline, or speedgrille has a new fascia for the TB w/ a mesh grille just like that one. Not sure if they have pics yet, though online. hope this helps some.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    Not sure what post you are referring to - if there was one after mine, I didn't see it. Or maybe I did, but it's 108 here at 7:30 pm and it's hard to distinguish the posts from my heat induced hallucinations :-)

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  • tlaurotlauro Posts: 504
    For those that followed my other post, check out the link and pics I put up that came from my Japanese Triplet Owner.

    If you can translate, please do! HID's and a really cool radio mod available.

    Follow the link to Other Owners Mods. I'm limited to 115 characters via this board and the direct link won't fit. Expand the image to full size if your browser shrinks to fit your window. They will download and print fine.


  • mtrammellmtrammell Posts: 125
    Yeah, that 230-240 was me. After the dealer replaced the fan clutch, it has been hanging right at 210. When the weather is hot and I'm driving in stop/go traffic, the needle may move just to the right of 210.
  • tblazedtblazed Posts: 945
    I remember the discussion. The owners manual states 100 ft-lbs. The service manual someone said stated 92 ft-lbs. Then someone else brought up 120 ft-lbs from somewhere just to confuse things even more. When I checked mine after the drive home the 1st day I owned it, some of the lugs were almost loose, some were way tighter than the 100 ft-lb spec, so I retorqued all to 100 ft-lbs. (Also as delivered to me, tire air pressure varied btwn 38 and 45 psi. That's after I specifically asked them to double-check everything since I bought my TB out of state 210 miles away. The dealer make-ready was really on the ball that day!!) 100 ft-lbs- a nice even number to remember, and within 10% of what the service manual was reported to specify. Also as I am sure you know, since you do it yourself, torque the lug nuts in a "star" pattern to equalize the tightness of the wheel against the hub so you don't warp anything.
  • jefepro2jefepro2 Posts: 16
    If anyone here knew what the deal was with the lease program for the triplets. I live in a area that has 6.5% MF, if I drive 3 hours, the deal changes to 3.5%. That's a huge difference on the lease. Is it based on dealer location or home location? Both? I have no problem driving 3 hours to pick up a truck and save close to 50 a month.
  • sbindleysbindley Posts: 28
    As part of a Truckin's SUV Magazine project buildup on my 2002 Envoy, I am doing a mild, but effective stereo upgrade. I have the Bose system already, which is okay, but nothing close to a decent aftermarket system. As the saying goes, "No, highs, no lows, it must be a Bose..." Given the integration of the head unit with all the other equipment, we simply changed out all the speakers and added a powered subwoofer system that fits beneath the rear cargo well in the hatch. The project sponsor, Kenwood, provided the following equipment: FRONT SPEAKERS - The factory separates are NOT a woofer and tweeter -- they are a woofer in the door and a 2" full range paper speaker in the dash. We replaced the dash speaker with a Kenwood Excelon series 4" two way, which is cleaner and brightens the sound immensely. To make it fit, we had to mount the Kenwood grill on top of the dash, but it looks fantastic. At the moment, the front door woofers are still Bose, but we will try to put Kenwood's best 6.5" mid bass units there if they will fit. REAR DOORS - Kenwood's Excelon 5.25" two-ways are direct replacement for the factory paper full rangers. Remember, there is not one single tweeter anywhere in the Bose system, and now there are four high end tweeters. SUBWOOFER - We went with a simple and inexpensive Kenwood Woox unit that fits perfectly beneath the carpeted rear well with no cutting, drilling or mounting. It adds a nice, subtle bass to the system that is controlled by a wired unit mounted on the dash beside the factory head unit. For those who want more bass, any bigger powered unit will work, it's just a matter of taste and space. The bottom line is that the Bose amp is plenty strong, and will power a set of upgraded speakers very well, satisfying all but the highest end audiophiles (at less than $1000 installed). Watch Truckin's SUV this fall for more info and photos.
  • cmack4cmack4 Posts: 302
    Thanks tlauro and tblazed!

    I was surprised that my dealer actually had all of the tire pressure right on for my Bravada. I haven't checked the lugs since I got it though, since I don't have a torque wrench at home. I do all my work at a military auto shop (I'm federal civilian, so they let me use it). For $2 an hour, I get a hydraulic lift, and have access to nearly any hand or power tool you could ever imagine! The only thing they don't have is diagnostic equipment... otherwise, it's outfitted better than most garages! They even have a master mechanic on premises at all times to answer questions and help you out!
  • scottc454scottc454 Posts: 356
    I can't believe what I'm hearing about this Bose system. Paper cones? No tweeters? I'm going to have to prove this to myself.

    I think it sounds pretty good and has plenty of power, but it's not as crisp as it could be. I had a set of Infinity's in my last car and loved them.
    Are the existing speakers 4 ohm?
  • blrmkrblrmkr Posts: 40
    rj123456 - The TBLT bumper cover would not be a replacement part for the Envoy XL. Also, the steps are the gray platic inserts on the top of the painted part of the bumper.

    sbindley - Would you happen to know if the Kenwood's Excelon 5.25" two-ways would fit in the front door openings w/o any modification? A few of us have been working on ways to improve upon the non-Bose system in our trucks.
  • tlaurotlauro Posts: 504
    Jefepro2, not sure where the 6.5% rate is from but it will depend on the lending institution and term. Last I checked here in Cols. Ohio the rate was 4.5% with a 12k/yr lease the residual is at 53%. However, I'm not sure if that's a regional or national program through GMAC. Rates/Residuals will be changing soon, so act before the end of the month.

    Let me know if you need help. I have a couple different versions of my excel lease calc. depending on how taxes are applied in your region.


    "If anyone here knew what the deal was with the lease program for the triplets. I live in a area that has 6.5% MF, if I drive 3 hours, the deal changes to 3.5%. That's a huge difference on the lease. Is it based on dealer location or home location? Both? I have no problem driving 3 hours to pick up a truck and save close to 50 a month.
    Thanks "
  • dan165dan165 Posts: 653
    Have not posted in a while, but still liking our 02 Bravada. It's been virtually problem free with 18K kms on the dial now. One think I have noticed is a bit of a creak in the seat belt anchor on the pillar behind me. Anyone else had this?

    My next door neighbor just picked up a 02 Envoy on summer clearance this week. These GM triplets are getting very popular!
  • mfullmermfullmer Posts: 819
    LEARN TO READ BEFORE YOU REACT LIKE CHILD. My exact posting was "On another note, I do hope that the aftermarket system wasn't one of those meant to "force" the entire population within 100 feet of your vehicle to listen to the music you want to hear." Since it's obvious that it wasn't, all that was needed was a simple "No, it wasn't".

    I also started that with "My suggestion..." Hmmm. You would think, by your [over]reaction that I had commanded you to... My "commentary" was just that. If you are going to get so upset by a response to your request you should write exactly what kind of advice you want so that way no one will "offend" you by giving you what you don't.

    Enough said? Let's get over this already.
  • kenymkenym Posts: 405
    mtrammell: Doesn't water boil at 212°...?????

  • tblazedtblazed Posts: 945
    Water boils at 212° at atmospheric pressure. A 50/50 mix of water and Dexcool (or, regular old ethelene glycol) boils much higher. Also the cooling system is under pressure of 15-17 PSI which also raises the boiling point.
  • jefepro2jefepro2 Posts: 16
    Thanks for the Info Tim
    Just to clarify...
    GMAC is currently doing leasing deals until the end of the month based by regions. West, North Central, and NorthEast has a 3.5% financing deal for the triplets. While South and South Central region are given a 6.5% financing deal. Unfortunately, I live in a region that is considered south central while places south and east from me ( About 3 hour drive) is considered North Central.
    I was just wondering if anyone here knew how the leases work for GMAC. If I purchase a vehicle in the North Central region and register it in a South Central region, will I still get the special financing?
    Anyway, thanks for the reply - you gave me more information than my local GM sales guy would give me.
  • mtrammellmtrammell Posts: 125
    Thanx tblazed! Also, the manual states that the system will go into its limp mode when the temp reaches 265 or 275 (I don't remember which). I didn't wait for it to get that high. I pulled off the side of the road and waited for it to cool down a bit and then drove it straigt to the dealer.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    Pure water boils at 212° only at sea level.

    The boiling point drops by about 2° for every 1000 foot increase in elevation. Dissolving certain materials in water increases the boiling point.

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  • envoy2002envoy2002 Posts: 26
    I don't wish to fuel a [non-permissible content removed]-for-tat debate, but if my memory serves me right, several of your responses/commentaries/suggestions/remarks to various members of this group in the past (and recent) have been responded to by the original postee (and others) with a tad bit of sarcasm/correction/irritation, etc. This would most probably suggest that some of what you write is coming across negatively, whether unintentional as it may be. I know this is a newsgroup and personalities are diverse, but we all should realize that words once spoken or written, can only be interpreted at face value. No offense to you specifically here, but every word in your sentence to Silpro about music and loudness was grammatically and structurally worded such that I understood it the way he did. Anyways, I can't call up Miss Cleo anymore to see if you (or whomever posts) is being light-hearted or scowling and sarcastic when they type a post. So when words like "childish, overly sensitive, touchy, grow up" are used by anybody, hey, someone out here will undoubtedly take offense or be defensive (and yes, that's thier problem). SOOOOO...let's all try to keep things in perspective. Besides..I don't know the policy of this particualr group, but one newsgroup I belong to will "excommunicate" someone if they commit 2 scathing (unpolite) posts towards another member.
  • tlaurotlauro Posts: 504
    hey there!

    yep...I double checked today. 3.5% but more like 4-4.5% given the F&I office markup at the dealer as they often will. not a bad thing, that's how they make money.

    residuals are 52 & 54% for 12k and 15k per year leases at 36mos.

  • tlaurotlauro Posts: 504
    for those that are interested in carrying four bikes to places that Triplets can't go....check it out.

    I should have some pics of my LTZ with is mounted and loaded up in the morning!

  • jpk23jpk23 Posts: 6
    Have a 2002 bravada and am interested in running boards / nerf bars. I have seen what the factory running boards look like. Have seen pictures of the aftermarket nerf bars themselves, but not on the vehicle itself. Does anyone have pictures of running boards they have placed on their Bravada or any other pictures of custom things done to their trucks.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    Besides..I don't know the policy of this particualr group, but one newsgroup I belong to will "excommunicate" someone if they commit 2 scathing (unpolite) posts towards another member.

    That is essentially our policy as well. In case it's been a while since anyone read them, here's the link.

    We find members tend to settle squabbles on their own with minimal intervention from us but, short of that, we will and do intercede.

    Thanks for asking!

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  • kenymkenym Posts: 405
    I often wondered how boiling water cooled down an engine ( maybe I have to much time on my hands )

  • tblazedtblazed Posts: 945
    Actually it is relative to the atmospheric pressure. At 30.05 inHg, the boiling point for water is 212+° regardless whether you are at sea level elevation or above. That's for pure water.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    Of course. And in a closed radiator system, the pressure rises above the local barometric pressure with heating.

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  • Just wondering if anyone has the mats or cargo liner from Husky? Im just wondering how they fit?

    My deadpedal definately needs some protection.

    see them here
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 10,137
    Hi Tim:

    You stated:

    "3.5% but more like 4-4.5% given the F&I office markup at the dealer as they often will. not a bad thing, that's how they make money.

    residuals are 52 & 54% for 12k and 15k per year leases at 36mos"

    Some questions....if the 3.5% is GMAC lease rate, is the dealership allowed to mark that figure up?

    If I'm reading you correctly, the residual is 52% for 36 mos and 12k/year mileage allowance or 54% for the same term and 15K/year mileage allowance?

    Do you know the rough pricing difference between the Envoy and TB with like for like options?

    I'll probably be doing a GMO deal using my brother-in-law's Delco/Delphi employee pricing. He doesn't live too far from Dayton.

    If you get the chance, can you fire an e-mail to me at with GMO figures?

    If I go to the dealership for the pricing, they're going to hound me and I'm not sure I'm ready to make a deal.

    Your help would be appreciated.

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