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Its called Static guard. Here is the link and its available at your local grocery store. http://www.mystaticguard.com/nav_wf.cfm
I spray it on my driver seat and headrest every month or so, and good bye static. I know it will help and good luck
I doubt a small crease would affect performance that much. A big crease however......
GAM
She picked the color and options (fought her hard on a SLT, but she doesn't like leather, so I gave in, even though I really wanted steering wheel controls and memory seats.)I also debated hard on the V8, but with the money saved we added a 8" dvd in the roof with 4 wireless headphones. So the kids are happy too.
To say it's the best thing I ever bought her would be a understatement! She's in love with the thing!
Just turned over 1200 miles and only a couple of things. First is the seal around the license plate is coming loose on one side. I've seen it mentioned here, so I'll deal with that.
Second, really lousy gas mileage. I finally took it on a 400 mile road trip, and I know it only has 1200 miles, but around town we are getting 12 mpg, and I just made 15 on my highway trip. On the highway, transmission seems to have some slop on the 3-4 cruising shifts. This thing was built in March of 03, sat on the lot for 6 months before we bought it. I know it doesn't have the current PCM. What else should I tell the dealer so he will updte my PCM without any hassle? Will lousy mileage and slop shifting (kind of hunts around during shifts at 60-65.) be enough to convince him?
Paid 400 over cost, less rebate (4700), so got a great deal.
Sorry for the long post. Loving the Envoy from WV.
Dave
Yes you get them all, whatever GM loads back into the Tech2 tool to reflash your PCM. The last part number shown in each column includes all the previous "fixes" plus the most recent.
I went in and told them I wanted the PCM updates to address several issues- cold upshift delay, cold power surge, poor feel to 1-2 upshift, occasional fan noise in the morning, etc. to get something on paper. The service adviser did warn me that sometimes people come in and want that done for no specific reasons, and he advised against it if everything was OK otherwise. I had several specific reasons to get it done.
"Can you really tell an improvement in the trucks manners after having these things done?"
I sure could. Night-and-day difference. Now I don't want to go back for anything (have not even taken it in for the safety recall regarding the inst cluster), for fear they will mess with the PCM software to run up their labor-hours on the warranty claim, and possibly degrade the performance it now has. I am now avoiding any more updates. They will sometimes look for updates to do, just to add more labor time to the claim.
how do you take 4 kids in an Envoy? Or is the oldest over 12yrs? Maybe a little over safety concerned but 12 and under should be in the back seat away from the air bags.
We just up graded our 98 Grand Voyager to a Tahoe to haul 3 kids.
--jay
TSB #03-06-04-057 10/01/2003
Intermittent Hesitation, Stumble or Idle Stall after Soak, Harsh 1-2 Shift, Slipping 1-2 Shift Followed by a Harsh Engagement (Reprogram PCM)
2002-2003 Chevrolet TrailBlazer
2002-2003 GMC Envoy
2002-2003 Oldsmobile Bravada
with 4.2L Engine (VIN S - RPO LL8)
Condition:
Some customers may comment on an intermittent hesitation/stumble or idle stall within minutes of starting after the vehicle has been sitting for several hours. Additionally, some customers with a 2003 model year vehicle may comment on a harsh 1-2 shift or 1-2 slip shift that has a bump feeling when 2nd gear engages.
Cause:
This condition may be caused by the EVAP diagnostic test as it opens the purge valve for a few seconds and then closes it to verify proper emission sensor operation. If the purge canister is saturated, the EVAP system on-board diagnostic test may cause the vehicle to correct for a rich condition from the canister. The vehicle would then become lean when the purge valve closes at the completion of the test. This condition occurs primarily with high RVP fuel and after the vehicle sits for several hours in a warm ambient, above 21°C (70°F). A customer who takes short trips is more likely to experience this condition, as they don't have the drive cycle that would allow the purge canister to fully re-circulate the fuel vapor.
We just up graded our 98 Grand Voyager to a Tahoe to haul 3 kids.
--jay
Gues I left out a small important part....
XL..
Dave
Anyone know if that's all they changed, or wonder if they changed the bushings too. Before we bought the 03 I drove a 04 and it felt better to me at highway speeds.
I'm going to get a price quote to see how much.
Think it would be a easy swap?
Dave
I'm sure the computer will compensate for a new muffler. I doubt you'd reduce backpressure too much however, you'd probably just make it louder. Todays factory exhaust are pretty decent to get maximum performance and efficiency (the tailpipe is 2.75" in dia). Many tests have shown that aftermarket exhaust add very little to modern engines. But if you're after a more agressive sound, go for it.
GAM
Jim
I see where in sept it was registerd at the auto auction and listed as a dealer vechicle, but the report showed that nothing was wrong with the truck.. so I'm kinda unsure on what to do...
Besides, what would you trade it for in the grace period?
Maybe have it checked over by an independent mechanic or another dealer for peace of mind.
Steve, Host
Yes.. I was a previous owner of a 2002 Envoy SLT and it was definitely plagued with lots o' problems to say the least. After ridding myself of the troublesome beast, 8 months later I ended up purchasing another Envoy. This time I went with a 2003 Envoy XL V-8 and thus far, I have 10K on the odometer with virtually NO problems to report.
IF it were me, use whatever methods you can to find out what work has been completed on your 02. Since 02 was the first year for the triplets, GM spent well over a year ironing out all of the bugs so to speak. Also, I would definitely consider looking for an 03 model just to be on the safe side. Thus far, the ONLY real issue that I have with my 03 deals with the driver's side memory mirror.
EVERYONE: I noticed that there is a lot of discussion on this board concerning engine related trouble with the 4.2L 6 cylinder. Just curious to know if anyone has had any trouble with the 5.3L V-8 engine? I have the 8 cylinder and to date, it seems very smooth and refined. Never any hesitations and always a good performer! Oh.. and lets not forget MPG.. It does very well in this category too! I'd definitely say to anyone who's interested in purchasing the XL models, V-8 all the way!
Thanks!
IExplore2000
As someone before me noted: Sure there are some problematic triplets out there, and if you've got one, I sympathize. But by and large, and certainly from my experience, this is a pretty nice vehicle. $.02
Good luck with your purchase and let us know what you decide to do.
I would buy mine all over again... What a fabulous machine..
If I had to do it all over again, I'd buy a Trailblazer, but I'd wait a year for them to work out some of the bugs.
It is versatile, capable and comfortable.
Occasional quirks, but nothing significant. I sort of think of it as having a personality.
I would buy again. Dealer customer care is actually most important
I agree with tblazed and the rest of you do it again people. Your only reading about a small percentage of the owners in this forum. There is probably lots of other owners who do have problems and don’t know about this forum. I’ll also bet there is a huge number of very happy owners out there as well. Its natural to make postings about challenges with our vehicles. What else would we talk about .mother in laws? I don’t think that were a bunch of whiners and I do see some happy motoring stories as well. How much does your house cost? ¼ million .. ½ a mill maybe. How many times have you been to Home Depot to fix something? How about that.
My 2 cents.
Frank
My pop's bidness had to have a new tranmission put in a F350 the second time they started it. Had under 100 miles on it. It can happen, but don't think that's too common.
I have an 03 LTZ I bought new a few months ago. Just over 4000 miles and haven't had a single problem yet. Perhaps I should knock on wood. I lub it.
Installation was easy and can be done in about an hour. Just make sure you have an 18mm deep socket and a torque wrench. I didn't have the 18mm deep socket, but found a standard size 6 point deep socket that worked.
But I've always been very pleased with the handling and haven't experienced what I would call sway with my '02 Envoy XL SLT. I've got the air bladder (ECAS) suspension though. The Envoy goes where I aim it and the steering is not vague either. I have a rather long commute and I don't make any steering corrections. It tracks around curves and turns better than my last vehicle which was a '97 Monte Carlo. Considering the increase in size and weight I think the Envoy handles better.
When Motor Trend named the Envoy SUV of the year in '02 here is what they had to say about ride and handling,
"Our Envoy boasted an exceptionally smooth ride and high degree of road isolation. Much of the credit goes to its optional air-spring rear suspension. Coils are standard, but the SLT has electronically controlled air bladders. Ride-height sensors, a compressor, and body-control computer ensure proper headlight air and body height-even when loaded or towing, and body motions are nicely damped by premium Bilstien shocks. This suspension systems ability to tame evil washboard roads is truly outstanding."
Just wondering if any of you folks that put on the sway bars have ECAS too.
Chris