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Although fit & finish is horrible. Can't believe she paid $38k for it.
I don't mind the slight orange peel texture. But I don't want to have the whole car with the texture and then have the rear lift gate exhibit a different texture.
I've had the truck about a month. I don't think the sun will damage the paint much.
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/roadtests/roadtest/47050/article.html
Rick
I have an LTZ with the non-Bose CD/Cass... NO SOUND from the dash, even though there are "grills" in place for speakers. The specs list it as a "6 premium speakers"
The sound is fine, and unless you tested it like I did (cardboard tube from my ear to the grill), you would never know there was no sound coming from there.
I think GM is pulling a fast one, because there appears to be a sep. woofer and tweeter in the front doors counting as two speakers each (add to the rear doors for 6 speakers)
Do you guys have speakers in your dash?
Edmunds says this SUV can't compete with the top competitors in the field, but they tested a version that makes up a small percentage of sales. The test is typical Edmunds which is almost always anti-GM and not thorough.
The fit and finish on my LTZ is the best ever. In fact that's why I selected it over other cars/trucks. The paint is flawless...no orange peel...haven't seen that for years. No sqeaks or rattles..outside the loose door fixed before I took it home.
What's the deal? I can't say anything about the air suspension as I don't have it, but my LTZ handles pretty good for an SUV. Motorwise, heck it screams. Is it loud at 6k RPM. Not at all, but then at 6k rpm's most engines do sound peaked out...even V8's. Perhaps their used to lound Ford exhausts or something?
Oh well....to each their own. I like it and suppose that's what counts.
tim
ranting
Rick
Polished Envoy Wheels
As for pick up.. I think it's great~But, honestly I don't have a lot of historical to compare too and I really have not pushed it much. I figure "she" should have the opportunity to break in a little bit before being pushed at all~
Oh and Hambone~ thanks too~ I read a lot of your messages along the way too (I have been working on this truck for over three months)~I missed your correction to the 3.42 so I was looking for specifics on this option~Again, thanks.
Time for a ride~
Drew
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My main goal was to drive a normal and an air suspension version to compare the two.
The salesman was a total Gill (Simpson's reference) which cracked me up. He was fun to talk to, but did not know much about the Envoy I was looking at. He did let me take a long drive with the standard susp. model. It rode very nice. When we got back, the truck manager came over and started to put on the hard sell. These guys don't get it. I told him I just wanted an appraisal of my Jimmy so I could decide if I should trade it or sell it myself. It took them over an hour but they did come back with the straight NADA price that I got off the web site. Still, that was too low for me, so anyone want a '96 Jimmy SLE w/63k on it? ;-)
Anyways, the dealer first told me that the 0% was not available on the Envoy, then he told me that Sage Green would never be available as a color, even though it is in the brochure. Has anyone ordered or gotten Sage?
The other issue was I really wanted the tan interior, but not in the colors they had. Since Sage was out, my second choice was Indigo Blue. I really wanted a light interior, but the dealer claimed that the factory did not make blue with the oak and I would have to order, which would take 2-3 months and by then the 0% apr would be gone. Has anyone seen a blue with oak?
So, now it looks like my only option is a blue with the medium gray interior. They did not have one on the lot like this. I'm sure one of you has this combo. Do you like it? Does it get very hot in the sun?
Anyhoo, my conclusion after driving the model with the air suspension is the normal suspension is very nice, but the air is just plain cool. Zipping around curves on the test drive, the car felt like it was glued to the road. And Edmonds be dammed, I could not induce any body roll no matter how hard I tried.
So, it looks like my truck will be an Indigo Blue with the premium and pro tow package and the sunroof. Anyone have this combo? What do you think of it?
I may have to accept the running boards, since all the ones they could locate have them. I really don't want them, however.
Thanks for reading all that. I appreciate any comments or suggestions.
-John.
If you have the time, see if you can find a dealer that either has, or can find a Sage Envoy. That Indigo is a nice color too, but not as exclusive. Good luck.
Sage Trailblazer LTZ
I'm not sure what to tell you regarding the shudder...hard to tell without driving it. I will mention that my Silverado had a slight shudder/stumble/surge when I used Ethanol Blended fuel, that wasn't there with regular. It was a pretty subtle shudder, ie. not jerky, just there, and barely noticeable.
Good luck
jim f
I have had my Indigo Blue/Medium Pewter leather Envoy SLT 4WD for a little over 2 months. It has the 1SH tow package, sunroof, and running boards. The medium pewter is much lighter than the dark pewter, and was bearable in the 105 degree heat we had after I bought it. It has the air suspension, which I love, and the 4.10 rear axle ratio. The 4.10 has averaged 18.3 MPG in the first 3500 miles. It has very quick performance off the line and passes well. I was fearful about the gas mileage penalty with the 4.10 but am glad I got it from a performance standpoint. I just love this truck and have had none of the problems mentioned on this board. People love the color combo. The sunroof is great, although the kids wanted the DVD player and you can't get both. You can get a sage green with oak interior as well as an indigo blue with oak, which I have seen and did not like as well as the medium pewter. The oak looks very nice, but I simply prefer the medium pewter. The only complaint I have is that the factory pewter rubber floor mats I have ordered are still not available due to a "quality issue", whatever that may be. I don't understand how hard rubber floor mats can be to make. Got a cheapo set at Wal Mart to hold me over until they finally arrive. One last comment regards the Edmunds article. That is the first negative article I have seen on the Envoy. Different strokes for different folks. I wouldn't be caught dead in an Explorer, but, since hundreds of people have, I'll just keep my Envoy and let the Edmunds guy have whatever he wants.
I like the medium pewter interior and I think it contrasts nicely with the trim. But the dark pewter seats look a bit sharper. Problem is that there aren't many medium pewter around.
Anyway, like you I'd like to get the 4.10 gears but none are around also. Might have to wind up ordering the vehicle I want after all.
Is there a downside, other than gas mileage, to the 4.10 gears?
I'm looking to purchase a Yukon SLT(want the third row seat)this winter but may wait if the new extended Envoy/Trailblazer is available by spring.
I loved the air susp. that I test drove, so that is a must.
Now I just need to visit the other dealer and see if they will give a good deal on trade-in.
thanks again.
-John.
I originally wanted Red Majestic, but then I saw the Indego-Blue. I thought I wanted that one, so I searched GMBuyPower.com and found one with all of the options I wanted, plus some other I didn't, but in a two-tone color. I really don't like two-tone cars, but I went to check it out anyway. I didn't like it. Just didn't work or me. So, I walked the lot to see what else they had, and there was a Majestic Red metalic with Sandalwood two-tone exterior and interior. I fell in love with it. Plus, it had every option I wanted: Bose, 6 CD, locking diff, 3.73 ratio, heated front seats and 17inch tires.
So far, I have put a little over 100 miles on it. Everything is great except for one thing. While driving, just around 51-52 miles an hour, there is a vibration or shutter that I feel in the gas pedal. Everything else feels normal when this happens. It happened just about every time at that speed. It would dissipate if I went slower or faster. And I was cruising from a slow speed to that speed. Any ideas? Is this normal (hope not)? Will it go away after 500-mile break-in?
Some other questions for owners:
Is this the correct part number for the running boards: 12497885
Is there only one color for them? Is partsdirect.com the best place to get them from?
Are there any ski racks made for the luggage rack?
Has anybody gotten Husky liners? I had them for my last blazer and they worked great? Any others that are good (for skiing and beach).
Here's how I purchased the truck.
I traded in my 96 Blazer, took all the cash back and financed the entire price of the truck for 3 years and zero percent. I will put the cash back from my trade in the bank and start getting interest on it. So, no money down, zero interest and 36 payments! I also got $200 over invoice!
That's to all who have posted all of their comment over the months. They all greatly helped. Thanks in advance for answers to this post.
Mark
I have the leather interior that comes standard. I was told that only the actual seat bottoms and backs are real leather; the rest is vinyl. No problem. The seats look and feel great. Fully enclosed in leather/vinyl EXCEPT on the 2 front seats, the sides closest to the console are upholstered in CLOTH. Is every Bravada like this?
jim f
The new jeep liberty is like this, also.
The wife's 95 Dodge with leather has vinyl in place of where the cloth is and unless you treat the center console with some slippery stuff, it squeaks up a blue streak.
I also had the same small vibration in the gas pedal at about 52 MPH when the car was new. It seems to disipate by about 55 MPH. For what it is worth, I now have about 3000 miles on my TB, and the vibration has all but completely dissapeared. I would give the car a chance to break in, and then see if it continues.
At 70 MPH, there is about 2000 RPM difference between the 4.10 and 3.73 gears. So, gas mileage will suffer slightly with the 4.10 gears on the highway.
2002 Envoy XL
I am travelling for business this week and happened to get a 2002 Blazer LS(50 mileson it) for a rental. What a huge difference between the Blazer and new Trailblazer.
I was never too excited about the Blazer, and never really considered buying one, but after owning a TB and then driving the Blazer, the difference is unbelievable!
If you are trying to decide between these two, there is no comparison.
My 3.73 tachs at 2000-2100 RPMs at 70 MPH.
It's not clear to me why this wire was not connected at the factory nor is it clear why the manual doesn't address this. I only dicovered this after driving 350 miles and wondering why my trailer battery was half discharged. After 20 minutes with a multimeter I traced the problem to this red wire not being connected at the fuse box. I hope this saves everyone the time and frustration I went through in the middle of a trip...this should have been mentioned in the manual.
Happy wiring
Thanks!