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But please keep your 'intent' out of non-WRX topics. I'm tired of hearing it come up in just about every topic, even when nobody's talking about it (like in the S4 vs. M3 topic - and you were the one to bring it in there, if I do recall - it was when you were spamming the C&D comparo article all over Edmunds).
Let's put it this way - You're all tired of me in here (believe me, I know you're all sick and tired of reading my posts - now you know how I feel in other topics), and I'm tired of having to read about the WRX in every topic imaginable that has nothing to do with the Rex. You keep the WRX to its assigned topics and I'll stay out of here.
Deal?
-mike
Anyway, WRXDude, I live up in roseville, what kind of WRX did you get (color)? Ive seen alot around, but never have any luck with sightings :P
Seriously, though, I will try and be a little less gun-ho and not be the first to bring up the WRX in other posts (if, indeed I was guilty of that "crime")but I won't disappear. BTW, I still like your car and you are welcome here if you chose. We Subaru folks are really very friendly...really!
Peace,
Stephen
Now, I still have this job, (I'm responsible for generating leads, and have done a damn good job of that) and management keeps saying we're secure (they'd hacked expenses during mid-summer to make them match our known revenue stream for remainder 2001, so the current economic problems aren't hurting us too much).
Yet I've not had my name attached to any new revenue-generating contracts, and even though it's on somebody else's shoulders that nothing's closed, I have strong doubts about whether my successful performance in my own job will keep me safe if, after I've been here a full 4 quarters (end of Q1 2002), other people haven't done theirs.
Therefor, it is with heavy heart that I have decided to suspend my plans to purchase a WRX, or any new car, and instead concentrate my efforts on having money in case what my manager said this morning when I discussed the above 2 paragraphs with him (he said "you won't be the first one under the microscope if none of your leads creates a contract by March") turns out to be an empty reassurance.
DjB
tons of new father questions....................:)
Audis just fall at much higher price points. Remember, AWD is not standard, and neither is a CD changer. So it would fair to say that Audis lack content even for the price.
We'll see if Audi corrects this with the new A4, by making more things standard. But 3700+ lbs for a compact? The old A4 is a tough act to follow, but IMO Audi is past its peak.
-juice
-mike
Stephen
-Frank P.
The way the lease worked out, both being $0 down, 3 year leases, the A4 was $425 per month, the WRX would have been $492 per month (both are before tax). Subaru was charging 10% on their leases and the residual value was horrible (in the low 50%'s). Audi, OTOH, only charged me 6% interest and the residual was better (don't remember exactly what it was). It would have cost about the same to buy the WRX as it would to lease it.
-mike
-Frank P.
We are just talking about cars. It's not like we're comparing wives or anything...
(Mine can cook, clean and sew, but the downside is frequent trips to the mall).
Stephen
Fitzmall.com has RSs for $19k, WRXs for $23-24k, mostly. The RS is $200 over invoice and the WRX is $700 over invoice. I recall you mentioned your price quotes were for a WRX at full retail, which noone is paying any more.
Also, the tables have turned, rather dramatically. The A4 costs more and is now the brand new model, selling for full MSRP and without those lease incentives.
So I'm sure you'll agree that the current payments would be the other way around, even if you did spring for the extra performance in the WRX.
OTOH, you got a bargain.
-juice
I haven't shopped at all since I got my car, so I couldn't say with certainty what the deals would be as of today. Maybe the Subie dealers in Denver are still charging MSRP. Maybe they're not. I have no idea and I don't really feel like visiting them and finding out. I'd bet I could get a discount off the A4's MSRP, but probably only $500 or so max.
And do you really think someone cross-shopping the WRX, Passat, A4, 325i, IS300 (where the Passat and WRX are the least expensive cars on the list) is going to seriously look at a 2.5RS? I sure wouldn't (and didn't - I never even wanted to drive one). The only thing the WRX has going for it is its performance. Take that away, and you've just got a cheap, ugly car left, IMO. It's got the same basic lack of amenities that the WRX has and it's lacking the WRX's performance as well.
If you haven't figured it out yet, performance numbers weren't the highest priority on my list when I bought.
On i-Club the A4 is quite often mentioned as an alternative. It was even before the WRX existed.
The RS has good low end torque because of its displacement, and good handling, plus excellent value for an AWD sedan. It may not appeal to you, but it does have a lot going for it.
-juice
And you were talking about a 3 year period which would have payments in the high 700's. Not even the same ballpark as the lease!
#2 - I guess I should have been more specific in my example on the buy side. Had I bought the WRX, I would have financed over 5 years. At 7%, a $25,000 loan is $495.03 per month by my calculations, and I know quite well how to do this type of calculation (but that doesn't include sales tax or a down payment on the loan, which would both change the principal amount of the loan). 7% is roughly what I could have gotten at my credit union, but I didn't pursue it any further after I decided to get the A4.
And you DO know what I ended up paying for my A4 - I already told you. Why don't you scroll back 10 posts or so and find it? And check your attitude while you're at it - I'm not quite sure why you felt the need to go after me when you can't even get your numbers right.
You do have a point, though. Demand for Subies is high in Colorado, and in parts of Canada. Basically, wherever it snows.
But prospective shoppers shouldn't rule out picking the car up out of town and making a road trip back home. Or, some dealers will deliver a car, even out of state.
-juice
I've heard of people from Pennsylvania and Virginia coming up to Fitzgerald in MD, but to each his/her own.
I'd go just because I like road trips. I'd find an excuse to make it, and then look on the bright side - the painful wait until the end of the break-in period would be a lot shorter. :-)
-juice
And the West is much different than the East. Denver is literally the only city around for a few hundred miles (not including Colo. Springs or Boulder - they're almost part of Denver now). The next closest 'city' is several hundred miles away.
TWRX
Yeah, DC is close to Annapolis, Baltimore, Richmond, Philly, Pitt, Trenton, the list goes on.
I do think that most WRX owners moved up from lower priced cars. But the same may be true of A4 buyers, onward and upward.
-juice
twrs - I'm glad you're happy with your WRX. I have the utmost respect for teachers. And your WRX is faster than any car I've ever owned, by a long shot.
It's been a few days since I checked in and it seems like the WRX vs the world debate has again flamed up. I'm not sure that the WRX really has a direct competitor. The 323 , A4 comparison makes sense, the S2000 , BoxsterS comparison makes sense - but the WRX vs what? It seems like auto mags increasingly feature competition, car vs car, as a sales tool (hopefully the car you bought has won the recent competition to validate your purchase). I really think the CD comparo is a strech since the WRX does not provide the luxury amenities of either of the other two vehicles mentioned. I make this statement even with a WRX in my garage. I would have rather seen a comparison between a Lancer Evo and the WRX even though the the Evo is unobtainum to us at this time. That would have been a far more
interesting match up, no??
Having said that, maybe Subaru owners can be proud that Subaru finally brought to North America a car that has generated so much interest, admiration and controversy that many people just want to have a "go at it"!
-mike
Come over and check out that board, if you haven't already - Comparisons - Sedans vs. Sedans.
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I'm a lazy bastage, no workout for me hee hee. But drivin is what I like to do for fun (average about 40-50K/year all non-work related miles)
-mike
I never would have continued in the S4-M3 disc. if I had not been attacked personally there. It just burns me up when some people (and I am definitely and seriously NOT talking about you)think that just because they own a prestigious and expensive car they can poo-poo and ridicule and denigrate anybody that has an opinion contrary to theirs.
On a personal note, I welcome your presence in this disc because you have helped me to not jump on this bandwagon simply because of speed and performance. Similarly to everyone else who has posted here, except for you paisan.(just kidding ;~)
I would have directed you to Gold Rush (auburn) Subaru, or down to Maita Subaru to see Chris Jones... Much better stores and service.
Anyway, I saw a silver sedan today (10/2) on Auburn road at 6:00
I suppose i could have gotten it for less but somehow. low impulse control and not having a vehicle that has A/C in it was the clincher. I have just moved from a much cooler climate in Eureka Calif and having no A/C was killing me. I wanted the silver so I just jumped on it!!!!!!!!!! I look forwards to the day when I can be less conservative on the gas pedal after the car is broken in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I haven't been on a trip longer than 7 hours in a long time.
-juice
Bob
Seems like after a few hours in a car together, there's not too much to talk about, except making fun of houses in northern Maine and New Brunswick.
I'm sure if we had a WRX Wagon, the trip would have been shorter.
Hopefully I can convince her to replace our '96 Accord.
-Craig
Maybe next year we'll go the scenic route. With a toddler we have frequent diaper changing stops anyway.
-juice
Needless to say, my wife doesn't enjoy taking road trips with me
Now, with a toddler, 2-3 hours is about the limit between lengthy stops.
-juice