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On the warranty discussion (if I may cut in) I might add that although the engine and transmission are expensive pieces that could fail (probably not tho), as maltb pointed out, you'd have to read every line of a warranty agreement to see what isn't covered. For instance, one warranty I read a few months back was advertised as "bumper-to-bumper," but excluded labor for certain "covered items." These items were "any internally lubricated part," among other things such as "belts, lubricants, gaskets..." So, although they covered the engine block, pistons, etc...you paid the labor and a ton of other essential parts. Labor on an engine or tranny r&r could run you $1000 right there. So, basically, read all of the fine print...there are some good programs and some bad programs.
I was just reflecting the other day...we've had our van for two years (next month) and 17k miles, and haven't had the van in for an unscheduled service yet. We've had a couple of things that needed looked at, but they always could wait till the next LOF. I'd expect some good reliability from your MPV.
The companies selling aftermarket warranties are in business to make money, not lose their shirt. There are way too many items excluded on most warranties. If your not prepared to read the fine print, you may be sorely disappointed when you make a claim. Some Mazda dealer's won't accept payment from warranty companies, even if they use a credit card for payment.
We intend to keep our MPV for 6+ years and will roll the dice without an extended warranty. In the long run, self-insuring your MPV will probably cost you less. If you can't sleep at night without a warranty, by all means purchase one. Aftermarket warranties don't help the resale of your car all that much either.
I don't skimp on other areas of insurance.....life , home, auto, umbrella.
IMO, you could invest $800 over the life of your MPV and do better.
Any advice will be appreciated. Thanks!
I'm tempted to hand a business card to them with this web site... to join the party! Zoom zoom...
Anyway, driving down on I-95, another MPV passes us (I do the speed limit) a couple of MPH faster than us. The passanger looks at us with a smile, I look back with a smile, and then we are waiving to each other - After they passed us I see the temp plates - another brand new one enjoying it...
We still point out other MPVs out there to each other - but now we are looking at colors... We still have to see a red one out there. We were hoping to get a red initially but we could not find one at all. We settled on white (our second choice).
Has anyone else find it out there (ie Napster, etc. ?) All I find is the original version of the song, which is not the same. Or the 30 seconds clip from the Tribute add (addcritic.com) which includes the blurb about the Tribute...
Beyond that, zipzilchnada. I'm feeling very lonely. Or very smart--it amounts to the same thing sometimes.
Of course, I'm not so sure about his wisdom since he tested the doors to see if they'd stop themselves from closing on his hand. D-UH! I hope he was thinking that they were power doors, lol.
He's not a real ladies man is he?
Not only have I seen more MPVs on the road, but I am noticing that many of them are very recent purchases. People are catching on, it seems.
Don't know why's there's so much fuss about power. It was perfectly adequate (even when we had it loaded with seven). We seemed to average about 21 MPG with mostly 70+ MPH driving on the interstates. Pretty good I'd say!
Another angle is that manufacturers try to keep out of that "gas-guzzler" sector, so they use a taller gear for the top gear, netting better hwy mpgs.
There are other reasons...but I'll cut myself off for now.
The EPA doesn't even measure the fuel a vehicle uses. Instead, they have some formula where they plug in the emissions produced by the vehicle, the weight, and perhaps the frontal area and compute the expected mileage estimate.
They run the vehicle on a dyno, but they don't measure the volume of fuel used, but the hydrocarbons that come out.
Of course, YMMV 8^)
**Warning: Technical garbage to follow... :-)
Rutger, first, the '01 MPV is rated at 160hp if I'm not mistaken...but I'll sit corrected if that's not right. Next, one of the (many) ways Honda gets those mpg numbers is that they (have done this forever) use very conservative cam profiles in their engines, and rely on revolutions to bring about horsepower figures (cams are the steel rods w/lumps on them that open/close the valves on the motor to let in/expel the air/fuel mixture. More "cam"=more valve opening=more a/f burned=less mpg, basically). It's been a long-standing joke that Honda uses broom-handles for camshafts because they are so devoid of cam lobes (which is a mild exageration). So, if your cams are conservative and have neither high lift nor lots of overlap (like the Ody's), you don't expell unburned fuel (pollutants), the EPA rating for your vehicle/engine is going to estimate a higher mpg rating.
Of course, you're prolly thinking, as I would be, "what about their VTEC technology present on the Ody motor?" The way that VTEC works is that the cam has two sets of lobes, a flat/conservative set (mpg) and a tall/agressive set (hp), but the tall set only gets used at rpms above what the I/Ms are tested at. Crafty of Honda, I think. Also, consider this. The Ody motor is three-and-a-half liters in displacement. Hardly a model of specific output efficiency, as is the "old" Duratec motor (Ody=60hp/Ltr, Sienna=64hp/Ltr, MPV=66.66/Ltr), which is wholy 10% more efficient than the Honda 3.5L motor. Another interesting item is that the 3.0L Duratec motor has the same specific output efficiency as the 2.5L. I think this says alot for the design of the motor. It's not that hard for the manufacturer to up the power output of a motor, but that usually means either lots of R&D money (remember the 2.5 Duratec is not being used anymore) and compromises in reliability of the parts.
Rutger3, I'm sorry you seem to feel some remorse for your MPV purchase, but hp numbers are important to some folks, and I can understand...I love having tons of power at my toe-tips on our Volvo, but I don't feel the need for such power in our minivan. I'm sure you love many other aspects of your MPV tho. If it makes a difference to you, in the 2yrs we've owned our MPV, we've not had it in the shop for any unscheduled maintenance visits. Ody owners are having some very curious problems with their vans.
First,you're right,the hp is 160 on the MPV.I stand corrected. No, I am not into hp or big engines as evidenced by me owning a 1999 4 cylinder camry as my everyday car. Plus, overall I am happy with our purchase. I think what got me going was this weekend during a heat wave,with front and rear air on plus 4 passengers,our MPV was ascending a rather steep hill and I had the gas fully depressed and I think we are still going up. It was at that moment that I was thinking about the Sienna and Honda engines. However,I realize there will not be many times this situation will be repeated. The MPV is still one of the best deals out there,with many great features and a good price. Plus it is more dependable than the Honda according to consumer report and that is important to me.The next test will be gas mileage,I just had the 1000 mi service and filled up.I will let you know how happy (or not) I am after the next fill up.
BTW, any ideas as to why Ford/Mazda don't employ the same technology as Honda/Toyota in engine design? Yes,good point about hp/liter,but my main point is if you are getting a smaller engine with a reduction in hp,then at least you should get better mpg with the trade-off; all things being equal of course. Interesting note, when we were looking at the Sienna,the salesman was trying to explain how more advanced the Sienna's engine was then the Honda ODy, and how Toyota increased the hp from 210 to 220.
If you feel that having a big HP number associated with your vehicle is important, it may be that something else is too little. No car can help that.
As for why Ford didn't include some sort of variable-valve timing in the Modular engines? Can't say for sure, but not all manufacturers have bought into it yet. It adds a lot of complexity to the engine that may not be used in normal driving. I will say that I'm glad Ford chose to use chain driven cams instead of belt driven. Now I don't have to worry about timing belt changes!
Can a few miles south make a big difference ? So far I've only seen white, sand, green and blue. Oh, and black if you count I count the one I saw at one dealer when shopping for ours...
Plus I've been seeing a bunch of sand mica's right in my town. And I thought we had the only sand mica for miles!!
Very good place to deal with, unfortunately I'm over 30 miles away (Plainsboro), so no service there for me... Nice touch by Flemington Mazda to give us the gold plated keyrings with the Mazda logos (If you didn't get them, ask your salesperson as we didn't even asked about them and got them - And we fought for a good deal !)
Regarding incentives, it seems Mazda still has the 4.9% financing for 4 or 5 years, but also has 1.9% for 1-3 years. Edmunds does not show anything regarding dealer cash, but briefly looking at carpoint, it shows the $1500 dealer incentinve is still around until 10/01/01 (they show their price for $1350 UNDER invoice).
Also, saw today a Red one and a dark green (finally)...
I recommend the Continental TouringContact AS. I put these on last January and have almost 20k on them now. They are holding up extremely well and greatly improve the handling. I know they are not Mich but for the money they are a very good alternative. When I went to replace one of the 4000's (of which I still have two). I could buy two of the continentals for the price of one 4000. So I went ahead and made the transition. I don't regret it at all. They have a 80k warranty. Good luck.
We also have some spinning on dry roads, but usually that is when we're trying to merge into a tight spot in traffic from a full stop. And it only happens with the A/C off. With the A/C on, the engine is too busy cooling the van to spin the tires.
Isn't it ironic that a car with so little low-end "oomph" should be able to burn rubber at a stop sign?
I was in NYC two weeks ago with my eight year old boy. We flew right over lower Manhattan on our approach to LaGuardia. We visited the WTC, Empire State Buliding, and went for a boat ride on the Circle Line, which cruises around Manhattan island.
I was born and raised on Long Island and have a few friends who work in the WTC. Fortunately, they re fine.
The World seems forever changed and cruel. I know we will all get through this, America is a great country.
Please count your blessings and give your loved ones a hug.
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My husband and I just purchused a 2001 LX silver, it's got 650 miles already. Just got it the end of October. I just can't stop driving it. My husband always jokes around saying I don't let him drive, .... but I don't. :0)
We have two bueatiful children 2 and 3 years old.
They love the side windows down all the time. I've had several people comment on what a sharp looking van it is and i have to say I agree!
Hope to get to know you all. Have a Happy Thanksgiving to ALL!