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I'm fine tuning my option package for a Dakota, but lack a lot of basic information I hope someone out there may be able to supply. The dealer I talked to seem to give me what ever answer he seemed to think I wanted.
Anyone out there have the TUT option? Any comments on how the 31" wheels effect the usability? Cornering? Turning ratio? Road noise? Does the rear stabilizer bar stiffen the ride? How about those wheel flares? They look great, but are they just ornamental or do they really keep the sides of the truck from getting covered from wheel spray? I noticed the Dakotas were one of the few 4X4 sold without mud flaps, and haven't seen anyone retro fit them.
I'm unclear on what type of 4 Wheel drive the Dakotas have - can it drive on hard surfaces such as highways without binding it up or is it only for soft surfaces. Jeeps seem to have three types, Dodge only the part time and full time?
Other then the fuel economy, anyone hear of a problem with the 5.2's & the 4X4? Anything getting torn up or over worked?
A bed liner isn't an option? Strange. Does anyone know of the URL where I can get more info on bed liners and caps? I'd appreciate it.
So far the main problems I've heard about with the Dakotas are that its automatic transmission has a lot of complaints, sporadically shifting out of over drive and effecting gas milage. Anything else I should be aware of?
Thanks
The wheel flairs add a lot to the looks, but the sides of my 4x4 still get a lot of road muck. I bought the moulded mud flaps out of the MOPAR catalog (vs. plain flat ones) for a few bucks, but haven't had a chance to install them yet.
MOPAR also makes a bedliner. Get your salesman to work that in as part of the deal AFTER you settle on price (ie..."I don't know. Throw in a bedliner for me and we'll call it a deal."). They'll usually go for it.
5.2 is a great engine and I haven't had problems with my 4x4 driving on hard surfaces...yet (just cursed myself). The V-6 comes with a regular transfer case with "shift-on-the-fly" to 4-high. Come to a complete stop and you can go to 4-low. The V-8 works the same, but comes with a heavy duty version of the transfer case. You can get a full time transfer case for about $400 (sticker) more.
The 31" tires look so much better on a 4x4 than the regular ones. I can still make the tight turns (well, as tight as possible with the club cab), but I think the ride is a little bit rougher. Not much, but I can feel bumps in the road a bit more than those I test drove with thte regular tires. Also, the 31" set will be more expensive to replace when the time comes, but it was worth it for looks alone, and will be even better when I take the truck off-roading in a few more years.
Thanks for the information. Sounds like you're a satisfied Dakota owner. You've encouraged me all the more to get the TUT option, and but I'd first like to get my hand on that MOPAR catalog you mentioned to see what other accessories are out there. Are they online?
I'd already decided to pass on the overhead consol and other power gadgetry, but here in the NE having 4X4 seems to be a necessity if you own a pickup, and this will be my first. I really don't plan on taking it off road any time soon, but the extra clearance will come in handy when we get a few feet of snow, and am just use to having a V8. I really like the look of the larger tires and flairs. Heck, I like the looks of the Dakota.
This brings me to my next quandary, which is the choice of trim packages - base, sport, or SLT? I like the looks of the sport best, but am concerned about that the plastic nose will be problematic in the long run. I had a ‘82 TransAm and a little 5 mph bump put it's plastic nose all out of shape. Also, last week I saw a Dakota that drove up country and its nose was plastered with bugs and road dirt. Not pretty, and I loth the idea putting a ‘bra' on the front of that great looking truck (assuming they make one).
The old timers swear that chrome is the way to go, but I'm guessing they are still thinking of their ‘57 chevy's bumpers that weighed a hundred pounds, the Dakotas look more cosmetic. Also, I don't' like the ‘grey' valence pane below the SLT's bumper, looks unpainted, but the two tone looks okay. What did you choose?
This is an open question to any Dakota owner out there. Why did you choose the model you did? What did you get, and what do you now wish you had or hadn't gotten?
I am currently in possession of my 2nd Dakota. The first was a 1989 Sport 2.5L, 5sp, air and short bed. I drove that truck for 190K, replacing a few u-joints, a water pump, the rack & pinion steering (caused by driving in high salt water as I live on a low island off the coast of west central Florida), 2 headlight switches (dashboard), 1 radiator and rear axel bearings (again from wading through saltwater). I now own a 1998 Dakota 3.9 6cyl. auto air short-bed in flame red paint. No complaints except the gas mileage (12-15 city). I do not believe that the 5.2 V8 would be worth the added HP as my V6 is not taxed pulling the wieght of the short-bed. I really like the feel that the Dakota gives and you will not find a more "truck-looking" truck! It turns heads as when people first glance at it, they think it is a Ram, then they double-take when they realize it is a Dakota. I am 95% satisfied with the vehicle with the exception of the MPG! -P. Taylor
I got the SLT+ (SLT w/lots o' junk). Mines black from top to bottom. I did not opt for the lower light driftwood paint. The chrome looks great against the black. I saw a black sport 4x4 club cab like mine, but it just didn't look as classy. I know that's not something you look for in a truck, but the chrome really does add a lot. I went w/the SLT instead of sport (would have been red or dk green in Sport) because the options that I wanted actually came out 'bout $500 cheaper in the SLT+ than in the Sport.
Give in to your male ego and get that big honkin' V-8 *grunt* *grunt*
***NOTE*** I have a 5-speed. The clutch is a very looooong clutch and is a bit stiffer than any car I've driven. Keep that in mind if you do a lot of stop-and-go stuff.
TUT is the optional equipment code for the (5) 31x10.5R15 OWL Cast Aluminum Wheels, Wheel Flares & Rear Stabilizer Bar (Req's Sport Pkg.-AGG or SLT Pkg.-ASP - 4WD). Basically the option for the "Big Tires" look.
Of course, with the increase in tire size I'm conserned about loosing some applied torque and need to make it up with either a steeper rear end or bigger engine, which is one reason they eat into gas mileage. For example, on my old Ford 4X2 with a straight 6, once I put 32" tires on it, if I encountered the smallest of hills I wasn't able to effectively use overdrive, and gas mileage dropped.
Reportedly, larger tires cause handling to be more sloppy in the corners due to all that sidewall, road noise increases dramatically, replacement costs are higher, and all that rubber on the road causes more friction which results in higher gas mileage.
The benefits? Well, on the Dakota I just test drove it raised the roof of the truck to about 6 feet and added a definitely "truck like" ride, made the truck look cool & very 4WD. On the useful side, they would eat pot holes for lunch, increase the ground clearance, and ... did I mention they looked cool?
This is one reason I raised the issue - wanting to know from someone who has them if they seriously ate in to the feisty little Dakotas performance or not. Your response, and my experience from test driving, seems to indicate they didn't.
My old Ford was under powered, but the Dakota with the V8 is, if anything, over powered for its size, so I wouldn't expect major handling or gas mileage impact since all reports indicate that the Dakota is a low end toque monster, with performance dropping noticeably if you get it near 3K RPMs, bigger tires may actually improve gas mileage (ya, thats the justification I needed ... whether it's true or not).
Of course this raises the question of what tires you get if you get TUT & Z5A (5240-5370-lb. GVWR, which includes (5) P235/75R15XL BSW Tires). If it came in with the smaller ones, would they exchange them if I wanted. Probably.
Anyone else have experience with the larger tires on the Dakota?
RickL
I agree that rationally the V6 probably would do all I wanted from the truck day to day, but as this will be the first new vehicle, and 4WD, I want it to be a "no regrets" experience, and some where around here I read that having a V8 is never having to say you're sorry!
Regarding the issue of gas mileage, my 83 Chevy with a V8/Auto only gets about 9 to 10 miles per gallon - but it is one sickly auto (had to keep it running while I was going to college, now it's time is past due). 16MPG sounds good!
With the Dakota, only about 2 MPG seems to be the difference between the V6 and V8.
So, say I drive 15,000 miles a year and get 15 MPG - I'd spend a grand on gas. If I got only 13 MPG, I'd spend an extra $150 bucks a year. Also, it should increase the Dakotas resell value, especially if they stop putting V8's in them some time in the future (No evidence, but rumored do to pending EPA restrictions).
I think of it this way, if you had a choice between a 64 Mustang with a V6 or V8, wouldn't you choose the V8? Think "sport truck."
However, I also realize that I'd have to factor in the extra $500 for the V8 at about 7% interest, increased cost in maintenance, insurance, and so on. I ran the numbers once, and it came out to be about $25 bucks a month.
The benefit - having the truck that brags about having the only V8 in it's class - with the V8! longer engine life, increased fault tolerance (my chevy's V8 ran with fewer cylinders firing than GM ever expected), and the power to use 4WD if I ever really had to.
(Side note, I use to go with a buddy who had a blown 454 in his 4WD Blazer to pull all the 'pretty' 4WD's out of the pits near his house - there is definitely a need for raw torque at times. In contrast, another friend who has a little Nission with the 4 cylinders 4X4 says it has pretty good power - unless you turn on the air conditioner!!! Can you imagine trying to climb out of a tuff spot? Most commuter' trucks don't seem to have the power for anything other then road or trail, but give the driver a false sense of security that they could.)
Although I admit I would be trying to avoid scratching the paint on my Dakotas - for the first few years at least.
I've gone back and forth on the V6 vs. V8 issue, and while I'm leaning towards the V8 (as illustrated above) I realize it is more of an emotional choice (security, image, etc) then practical (cost, use, etc).
Anyone else have an option on the V6 vs. V8 issue?
under factory invoice.
At almost $26,000, try to shave the dealer down to $22,000 or less. If you have to special order it, Dodge seams to be less flexible on price.
issue. There is a slim possibility that I would be hauling horses. But I do a lot more city driving then anything but do yearly make the trek to southern Florida.
I am mostly concerned with the tranny reports, O/D
shifting in&out on the V6 and gas mileage
I would like to hear from anyone who has experiences with this sort of truck and any pros
and cons.
I would also like to get a rough idea of what I
should be paying for it.
I have a 96, transmission replaced at 4000 miles, had to fight to get a new one, not rebuilt. My truck went to the shop the following day from the purchase, and it started from there. It was in the shop for 101 days the first year I owned it, but Utah's lemon law it non existant, and I am a woman, and My truck is fine. Got the point. !
Arbitration was denied by the local people and Chrysler and I was told that all of my problems had been repaired, and that their promises of customer satisfaction wasn't worth the paper it was written on.
My advice is to document, record and track everything said, done or incinuated about your truck, repairs or lack of- carry a BIG STICK with you at all times when dealing with them and have guts because they wont make it easy for you or on you. If you have a man to go to bat for you, unfortunity sometimes they listen.
I wish you luck and just be the stonger one.
Since their close to being the same truck and I was able to get mine at $22K AND it was a special order, having your dealer knock off $1500 or so is not unreasonable...It's a demo AND it's taking up space on his lot....**ching-ching**
After perusing the PICKUPS conference all day, I'm
beginning to get a feel that the Dodge Dakota, a
truck I am considering, may have a history of
short-lived transmissions. I've never owned a
Dodge, but the Dakota seems to be getting good
reviews in general; however, being most interested
in a dependable vehicle from 0 miles to 100,000
miles, is the Dodge going to be average, below
average, or above average in this respect.
Asked of all you Dodge Dakota owners (those with
V-6 automatics, specifically), I'd appreciate any
advice offered.
I have been through 3 sets of front brake pads already. I am not yet to 1,000 miles either !!!
Anyone else hear of a like problem?Where can I go to look for problems from other owners?
takes computerized picture of the engine/transmission when it's acting up. This is nothing I expected from a new truck. I'm starting to think that foreign cars are the ticket to go.
I've had Nissan and Toyota vehicles that never experienced any problems (except after
300,000 miles). Thanks for your input and good luck with your dodge!!
Julie
I have a 98 dakota sport, V6, auto trans w/5000 miles. I wouldn't recommend buying one right now. My truck has been in the shop 4 times. Once for a broken fuel tank sleeve, and 3 times for transmission problems. It seems like the transmission can't figure out what gear it wants to be in. RPM's don't go up but the sound of the engine is like it's still in first going 50 miles an hour.
thanks
I considered a 2.5L before I bought the 3.9L V6 auto w/air. I traded a 1989 Dakota 2.5L 5sp w/180k mi. for a new '98. I had very good luck with that engine (2.5)! Only replaced the water pump (at 100K). It did eat u-joints though (half a dozen). It had to have the rack and pinion replaced as I live on a low Island on the west central coast of Florida and find myself in water occasionally, it got sand and salt in it. I was over all happy with the drive line. I drove it on a delivery route in city conditions and got 18-20 mpg. I can not say that it was always tuned up or I am sure I would have gotten better mileage.
I found on the 98 Dakota that they do not offer the 4cyl. in 4WD or Auto. So I went with the 3.9L V6 4x2 auto/air. My in town mileage is around 15 mpg with the air going here in humid Florida. While I miss the economy of the 4cyl. I do appreciate the ooooomph of 175hp when I get on I-75! BTW, I got the working mans version (no carpeting, powerlocks/windows or fancy front bumpers but did get 21 gal. tank, sliding rear glass and a free bed liner and paid 14K. Let me know how you do! -PT
The V8 is very quick until about 3500-rpm, then kind of settles down.The dealers in the Atlanta area were willing to come off the +/- $24000 price about $1500-$1800. Then a very patient sales person suggested a Ram 1500 "Sport". It was a short bed regular cab with "EVERYTHING" but leather. It has the same turning circle as the extended Dakota. Room for 3 adults in the front seat, a 5.9 V8 rated at 13-18 MPG vs 14-18 MPG for the V8 Dakota. It had a lower list price and they were willing to sell them for $300 over invoice. There is lots of organized storage behind the front seat, but not enough room for the dog.The engine was very willing all the way to the red line. My driving impressions were that it was as quick or quicker, rode better over bumps, had more equipment and cost about the same or less. You can also see over the top of a Dakota when driving the Ram. I think I would feel more secure in the Ram when pulling a heavy load. When going for the "no frills specials", a Dakota might be a better deal,especially in tight traffic/parking situations. The smaller Dakota 4x4 would be better in the woods, but for me...I think,that in this case,MORE FOR LESS IS BETTER!
Thanks, Kip
The most significant item I dislike is the rear braking. Leave plenty of distance between you and the car in front is my advice.
I drive a Saturn SC2 now, so I'm concerned about how will driving a rear wheel truck with little weight in the back affect turning, cornering on freeways, and stopping? I live in Southern CA so I only have to worry about bad weather and snow when I go skiing (once or twice a year.)
Also, I want a cover over the bed and a trailer hitch, so should I order them with the truck, or get them after the fact?
What else should I consider getting or do I need, or what can I do without as a salesman could easily snow me. Any advice or opinions are welcome.
The V6 runs good and returns decent mileage considering the size and weight of the vehicle. I can even burn rubber if I rev it up and then drop it in Drive! Maybe I'll install a SuperCharger!
I'll probably end up with an F series or a Ram in a few years (no Generic Motors or Rising Sun tin cans for me, thank you), but this Dakota will do for now.
I have a long list of questions for you die hard Dakota fans that will help me with my decision making. If you don't mind, please also forward your responses to adam.ant@mailcity.com.
1. What is option DDC? The only difference between option package 25H and 26H is that 25H requires DDC and 26H requires DGB (4 speed auto).
2. What is option 4XA?
3. What axle ratio would you recommend? Today, I have nothing to haul. Someday, I may have a boat and/or trailer. I will probably use it for off roading in a few years when it's not-so-pretty anymore.
4. Can you order an SLT with body colored fascia and grille? Edmund's says you can; the Dodge literature says you can't. I thought that was the main difference between the Sport and SLT models. Every SLT model I've seen has had chrome fronts/rears.
5. Is option AJL (overhead convenience group) available on Sport+ models? Edmund's doesn't even list it as an option; the Dodge literature says that it is an available option.
6. I have found many other inconsistencies between Edmund's and the Dodge literature. Have any of you made the same observations and who is usually correct?
7. Who would need the HD Electric Group, HD Service Group, or HD Engine Cooler? Are these only needed for the serious off-roader or work truck?
8. Does anybody know (mechanically) how an Engine Block Heater works?
9. Is Sure Grip Axle just another name for Limited Slip Differential? Would you recommend it? We get a lot o' snow up here in Michigan.
10. Anyone opt for the Full Time Transfer Case? How is it? Better than the Part Time?
11. I've seen a few Dakotas with the 'Dodge' and '4X4' text on the tailgate in a raised reflective material. I like that better than the stickers. Is that an option for either SLT or Sport models?
Many thanks for any help you can give.
#3) Get the 3.55, good streetability and can still pull what you may need to in the future.
#4) Chrome is the SLT model ONLY. Can't get Chrome on Sport, can't get body colored on SLT.
#5) Yes. Overhead group is avil. on all Dakotas.
#6) Haven't noticed any, but trust Dodge first.
#7) Hard working trucks and/or extreme weather conditions. i.e. HD engine cooler might be nice in the arizona desert
#9) Yep...Dodge likes to re-name stuff. It seems like most people here reccomend it too...
#11) The raised lettering comes standard on the SLT package. Not available on the Sport. However...I've been told by a dealership (actual mechanics, not greasy salesmen) that the Sport stickers can be removed with a hairdryer. I bet you could get the SLT raised lettering through the parts department and stick 'em on after your truck arrives.
SLT or Sport will probably depend on the color. Mine's a black SLT (black/chrome looks sweeeet) but I would have gone with Sport if I had decided on red. Take a look at some of the different colour/grille combos at your dealership and see what you like best. If you're loading up on options, SLT+ might be cheaper than a Sport or Sport+...mine was.
2. I have already heard about the new radio controls on the steering wheel (like the Grand Cherokee's). What else is new for '99?
3. What do you like better? Bucket seats or the 40/20/40 split bench?
4. I was thinking of having the seats upholstered in leather. (I told ya I was gonna load it up.) Anybody else done this?
5. Chrome lovers, are you concerned about the scratching, chipping, bubbling, rusting, etc. on those pretty chrome bumpers & grilles? That's how I remember my old cars and that's probably why I'm not crazy about getting chrome on this truck.
Keith, thanks for the timely response.
My 1998 Dakota is fire red with those tan colored sections on the lower bumpers both front and rear. The upper sections on these bumpers are a nearly flat black. I want to paint those ugly flesh colored lower sections and wonder if it will take a certain type of paint. The surfaces seem to be plastic or whatever the factory uses. The last car that I owned with painted bumpers was a Firebird years ago with those rubbery nose bumpers and the "special" paint was needed for it. The lower Dakota bumpers seem to be made of polyurethan or the like. Any ideas on what type of paint to use on them??? -Thanks in advance, P.T.