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My question to all: Are the Cap Cost, Residual Value and Money Factor reasonable? I would expect to get something less than the MSRP, even on something so new and hot. I absolutely qualify for their best interest rate. Is .0019 the best they can offer (dealer printout says "Chase Lease" on it)? And I have no clue on the residual value. And what about them telling me I should do 39 months because the residual is better than 36. Help!!!!
Curiously though, the salesman handed me a quote of $444.60 before I asked the finance manager for the supporting #s. Manager said he was just giving me a break. Obviously he didn't pull that number out of thin air, but the printout we went through together has all of the above #s and a 450.33 payment. I don't know what's going on with this.
Lastly, mazdausaoffers.com has the following lease offer for the Hartford CT region through April 3. Is this any good? If so, can my dealer apply this deal to the care I want?:
2013 MAZDA CX-5
$239/Month, 36-Month Lease, $2,999 due at Lease Signing. Includes 1st Month's Payment and Acquisition Fee. Excludes taxes, title and fees.
MSRP $22,095 plus $795 destination charge. Payment based on capitalized cost of $20,175. Total payments of $8,604. No security deposit required. Dealer participation required. Not all lessees will qualify for lowest payment through participating lender. Some payments higher, some lower based on residency and other factors. Lessee responsible for excess wear and mileage over 36,000 at $0.15/mile. Purchase option at lease end for $13,276 plus tax or price negotiated at signing. Take new retail delivery from dealer stock by 4/3/2012. See participating dealer for qualifications.
Thanks all.
As for your .0019, multiply it by 2400 to normalize this interest rate to an APR and you will get 4.56%. If the lease is 3 years, you should compare it to equivalent 3 year financing for buyers on new cars. You may then see that leasing from a finance perspective is more costly. If your FICO is worthly of something better than 4.56% which it sounds like is the case, then you decide. My credit union is offering 1.49% right now for new car 3 year loans so 4.56% sounds unfair.
It appears to me as though there is not a wide band between invoice and MSRP on the CX-5, especially with options above the base. Looks like the difference is only $600 - $900 so I would not expect us to be in a strong haggling position on sales price for something so new, hot, and possibly even hard to locate in some areas.
The 39 month residual being better is totally untrue. I think this is more of a ploy to get folks back into the showroom in the summer time of the year that your lease ends as car shopping spring fever is over by then.
Those advertised lease deals like you posted are often on low-end models or models that are not moving as quickly and almost never map to the exact car you want. They do a good job getting you there as they are typically attractively sounding lease payments.
The most valuable lesson I learned by re-educating myself on leasing and doing lease deal comparions is that leasing actually exposes true variances in market value that are hidden when buying. The 2 lease deals below illustrate my point and show the math behind my pain and frustraton with Mazda, as they are forcing me into my 2nd choice.
The sticker price on these 2 vehicles is separated by less than $200. So for folks like us who have paired their list to Honda and Mazda, but unlike us are buying and probably financing, it is a no-brainer to just go with the one you like better, since the financing will be the same, given the similar sale prices.
The BIG PROBLEM for the CX-5 is exposed in the leasing market due to an 8% differential in residual value as compared to Honda. I looked at lease deals from a couple of Honda and Mazda dealers. The best lease factor I saw from Honda is .0016 (3.84%), while the Mazda was slightly better .00142 (3.41%). The sales prices are different in the real lease offers I show, favoring the Honda. However, you can reduce the Mazda sale price in the calculation and you will still see that the difference in residual is the dominating metric. Notice that the financing cost portion of the lease payment is lower on the Mazda by about $10, even with the higher sale price, due to the lease factor. But the depreciation portion is a whopping $91.30 in the red. This of course results in more sales tax as well. These are Pennsyvania leases which are taxed at 9%.
The CX-5 lease will cost $89.37/month more than the CR-V. If you are fortunate enough to get and equal sale price on the CX-5, the best you be able to do is get within $45.61/month of the CR-V. This was the adjusted calculation that I eluded to.
Keep in mind that it is Mazda who is saying the resale value of the CX-5 after 3 years/36k miles is 56% as you generally won't find a bank or leasing company who would invest in a more optimal residual than the manufacturer. You can argue that 56% may be a realistic number and that perhaps the Honda resid of 64% is artifically inflated. Though it doesn't matter if your plan is to turn the car over for another at the end of the lease. This low residual hurts you every month along the way. For buyers, it may not be obvious that the resale values between the 2 vehicles is so different. Even so, if Honda can inflate resids to lease more cars, why can't Mazda do the same in order to compete?
So my question to Mazda is: How can you build such an awesome car that will compete feverishly head to head against the likes of the Honda CR-V in the buyer market, yet allow the same car to be torched by Honda in the leasing market? Why not raise your resids to at least 58% to allow leasees to drive a CX-5 too? Aren't you short-changing this highly regarded newcomer? As a current Mazda owner I am shocked by these numbers and I am very frustrated that I cannot lease a CX-5 with sound mind. The better MPG and the customer loyalty free maintenance I will recieve for the lease term do not offset the $90/month difference in payment. This totally sucks.
Mazda CX-5 AWD GT w/TECH
Sale Price $29,875.00
MSRP $30,470.00
Residual % of MSRP for 36/12k 56.00%
Residual Value $ $17,063.20
Total Capitalized Fees $0.00
Gross Capitalized Cost $29,875.00
Cap Reduction $0.00
Net Cap Cost $29,875.00
Money Factor 0.00142
MF as APR % 3.41%
Monthly Dep $355.88
Monthly Fin $66.65
Monthly Pre-Tax $422.54
Monthly Sales Tax 9% $38.03
Montly Payment $460.56
Honda CR-V AWD EXL w/Nav
Sale Price $28,500.00
MSRP $30,605.00
Residual % of MSRP for 36/12k 62.00%
Residual Value $ $18,975.10
Total Capitalized Fees $0.00
Gross Capitalized Cost $28,500.00
Cap Reduction $0.00
Net Cap Cost $28,500.00
Money Factor 0.0016
MF as APR % 3.84%
Monthly Dep $264.58
Monthly Fin $75.96
Monthly Pre-Tax $340.54
Monthly Sales Tax 9% $30.65
Montly Payment $371.19
The only way to come out on buying new is to buy and "hold" w/ no major repairs needed (for a long time.) I bought a 1998 Camry and still driving today w/ 145,000 miles. It is ageing but running well. Nevertheless, there are always payments of some kind on an automobile. Either lease / purchase/maintenance / repair expenses to come up with on a virtual monthly basis.
I've ordered a 2013 CX-5 GT AWD w/ tech package, which will arrive either at the very end of May or early June. Would you mind sharing MMC/Chase residual and money factor for 24 and 36 months at 12k and 15k miles per year? Are there any incentives besides $500 owner loyalty? I turned in a 2010 Mazda3 lease at the end of April.
Thanks,
John
Anyone with a decent credit score can lease virtually any vehicle with nothing down. I, for example, have leased five vehicles over the past few years and I have never put a single dollar down.
The better leases, Acura for example, have GAP insurance built into the lease. The better leases, Acura again for example, also have money built in for routine wear and tear type issues at the end of the lease. For my current Acura lease, it is $1,500.
The key to achieving a good lease is to (1) lease at a time when the manufacturer is providing support for the lease, often in the form of a low money factor, (2) lease a vehicle with a solid resale value to get a higher residual value, and (3) negotiate the selling price of the leased vehicle just as you would negotiate the selling price on a purchased vehicle.
As an illustration, I currently lease a vehicle for about $450 a month. I achieved this monthly price as described above. The finance monthly payment for that vehicle, at 1.9%, with the same discount for both the leased and purchased price is $686. Clearly a significant difference and I did make any sort of down payment. I simply signed on the dotted line and drove off.
When disposing of a leased vehicle a person can do about anything. The leased vehicle can be bought, sold, traded or (can't do this with a purchased vehicle) just given back when the lease is over.
The simple fact is, people who reject leasing outright do not fully understand the value of leasing. Leasing may not be for everyone but for some, like me, leasing is the only way to go.
My CX-5 arrived yesterday, and I'm picking it up tomorrow. I would be helpful to get the buy rate residual and money factor if you could please.
Thanks,
John
Looking for mf and residual for Grand Touring FWD and AWD (if they differ) 15k 36 months. Thanks in advance!!!
The numbers for an otherwise identical 36-month lease are .00123 and 54%.
If you were to lease with only 12,000 miles per year, this vehicle's residual values would be I believe 1% higher.
The $500 loyalty cash that you mentioned is the only cash incentive on this vehicle right now.
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The money factor for a GT FWD model would be the same, but the residual value would be 2% lower.
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Any new programs/changes to lease program for June? Are they still the same for May?
Help me out. I am still not convinced that you have equity in your lease and still contend that you have 0 equity during the lease. Is a leased vehicle included in net worth calculations? Don't you have to own something to have equity in it? You cannot modify the leased car by contract because you don't own it.
The lease end scenario that you describe is a flip. You are buying the car from the leasing company for 1 value and selling it for a higher value. During the lease you do not own any part otherwise you could liquify. If your buyout is $10k which you give to leasing company and sell it for an ACV of $12k, you acquired (not recovered) equity at the point of the buyout and liquified it at the point of sale.
PS - It's a busy spring for me with 3 leases ending within 60 days of each other. Doing well so far with this batch of leases. Sold my wifes XC70 to the dealer for almost $4K over the buyout. Bought our CX-9 for $6K under NADA avg trade value (I guess now that one can be can be considered equity). And put our 2009 Subarua Outback out front yesterday and within 6 hours had an offer for $22k. It's only loan value but still not bad considering the buyout is $15,200 and negotiated purchase price was only $25,200. I think that one will have the best return ever.
And people call car dealers thieves. lol
I cross posted by mistake in the prices paid and buying experience. Didn't see this one for some reason.
I'm looking at a CX-5 GT FWD w/Tech.
I'm curious what the residual and MF would be if I got a 36mo/15K lease or a 42mo/15K lease.
I'm in the Houston area.
Also, can you confirm for me that the Acquisition fee is $595 for Chase still? A finance manager fed me a line the other night about how "if you don't put money down, the fee is $745."
Thank you so much for your help. So far I've been rather disappointed by the quotes I've gotten from various dealers.
The numbers for an otherwise identical 39-month lease are .00134 and 51%.
Chase's base acquisition fee is indeed still $595. I don't believe that the fee increases for consumers who don't make a down payment.
Good luck in your quest for a new ride and make sure to stop back and let us all know how everything turns out.
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Could you please let us know 2013 CX-5 AWD Grand Touring MF and Residual with 12K miles per year and 15K miles per year.
Thank you in advance.
The residual value for a lease with only 12,000 miles per year would be 1% higher.
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Looking to free up some equity in my current vehicle to put toward adoption while also getting something more family friendly. This will be my first lease and I want to make sure I get the best deal. I should have around $15k in equity on my current car and part of that I will put down toward dropping lease payments below my current 3 year loan ($262 a month) and the rest will be going toward my upfront adoption costs.
Thanks in advance!
Chase's October buy rate lease lease money factor and residual value for a 36-month lease of a 2012 CX-5 Grand Touring FWD with 10,000 miles per year are .00074 and 53%, respectively for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier.
Since you are new to leasing, you definitely should check out the following informative articles on the subject that are available here at Edmunds.com: 10 Steps to Leasing a New Car and Calculate Your Own Lease Payment.
In short, the easiest way to get a good deal on a leased vehicle is to shop around for the lowest possible selling price and then have the dealer that you decide to go with calculate your vehicle's monthly payment using its buy rate lease money factor.
You actually shouldn't put any money down on your new lease. Save it all for the adoption process. Consumers who make large down payments on leased vehicles risk losing part or all of the money that they laid out if their vehicle is totaled in an accident or stolen and never recovered. Even though it means that your monthly payment will be slightly higher, it's much safer to go with a zero down lease.
Good luck with your quest for a new ride and the adoption process. Make sure to stop back and let us know how everything turns out with both.
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The money factor for an otherwise identical lease of a 2013 Grand Touring AWD would be the same, but the residual value would be 54%.
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I am planning to lease Mazda CX-5 Touring AWD + Moonroof.
What is the best I can get to lease? down payment? money factor and residual?
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Can you please provide the November lease numbers on 2012 and 2013 awd sport cx5s. . I'm looking for the resid and mf on 24 and 36 month leases with 12k mi per yr.
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Can you please give me the residual and MF for a 2013 CX5 Touring model in TX (Dallas area) for November on a 39 and 42mo lease with 10K mi. yr?
Thanks!
The numbers for an otherwise identical 36-month lease are .00080 and 54%.
There is no 2012 version of this vehicle.
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Could you provide MF and residual for CX-5 fwd Touring for December for 15,000 miles/36 mos. lease?
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I believe that Chase provides a 1% bump for leases with only 12,000 miles per year.
Mazda is not providing any cash incentives on leases of this vehicle that I am aware of right now.
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Are the December numbers the same for Grand Touring as Touring?
thank you very much!
Andrew
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I just started the process of looking for the best lease for a 2013 cx5 touring base model. Got a quote for Invoice price of 24,540.00, $323.00 monthy not including tax, residual of 50% and cap cost of $24,600 for a 42 month lease/ 15 months/sign and drive. I'm located in South Florida...
Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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