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Actually, the hip room, shoulder room is what I always noticed about the pre-2002 Ram. That, along with the seat are among the best features. I still prefer the pre 2002 styling by a little bit over the new, on the outside. A regular cab 4x4 long bed 2500 with Cummins, 6 spd manual, in the metallic gold color, is hard to beat.
When I saw one pull out of the dealership with the paper tags still on, the owner sure looked proud, and I had to admit, it was great looking. May have been lifted a bit, maybe not. Towered over my 2500HD Dmax. Still love it the best, but that gold Dodge would have been my second choice, especially with tan leather seats which you can't get in the Chev reg cab models.
41.4, 41.0, 40.7, 41.3, 67.4, 67.3, 68.0, 68.0
Yes, the SuperDuty has more REAR legroom than front! And the GM crew pales in comparison. It would appear Dodge would already be competitive if all they did was add about 7 inches to the Quad cab to make a crew. That would give them comparable room, and the same behind-the-seat storage as the regular cab.
jcmdie, you're correct about Dodge's marketing. To them, the new QC is an extended cab, not a crew. I'll post a similar table tonight comparing the QC to the Ford and GM extended cab offerings. That will be pretty scary
quadrunner, I never left
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rsholland and Kcram, I compared the rear seating of the new Ram to my friend's '01 Silverado three days ago...prior to new ram, silverado beats all in extended cab rear seating room (NO CREW CABS). The vertical incline is in most ext. cabs, not just the ram. Silverado has headrests. Dodge does not.. Lift up the seat, Dodge rules in rear storage. While silverado you have to lift up with the seat kind of in your way, the dodge is completely out of your way (not to mention those metal pull out platforms are a class touch.
And because of the tall stature, Taller people can sit in the rear without ducking their heads.
Rear windows go down all way with Ram, silverado you gotta pop out.
captainj, I have no idea what you are talking about...I had windows down and radio off and I gotta tell you-the 4.7 engine is not loud at all. yeah, it grumbles every now and then, but ALL trucks do when you accelerate. Go try out the Toyota, you'll see. The tundra's engine is LOUDER compared to the Sequoia, and the ride is harsher. SUV's are designed to have more isolation inside than pickups (hence, the higher price).
Get over the engine noise.
For 02, Jeep Grand Cherokee's top model will get the 4.7 with more HP-260. I'm sure that will find it's way into the 2003 1500 models.
And one more thing: The Ram is assembled in Arkansas, according to the doors.
Ram ...F150 ...F350 ....GM ..Tundra
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Head room F...40.8 ...40.8 ...41.4 ...41.0 ...40.3
Head room R...40.0 ...37.8 ...38.5 ...38.4 ...38.3
Leg room F....41.0 ...40.9 ...40.7 ...41.3 ...41.5
Leg room R....36.4 ...32.2 ...32.4 ...33.7 ...28.6
Hip room F....65.1 ...61.0 ...67.4 ...61.4 ...59.3
Hip room R....64.6 ...63.2 ...67.3 ...61.5 ...56.6
Shoulder F....67.0 ...63.8 ...68.0 ...65.2 ...62.4
Shoulder R....66.7 ...63.8 ...68.0 ...66.3 ...63.2
Front head and leg room, everybody is about the same. The SuperDuty wins in width. But Dodge is clearly superior in rear seat head and legroom, and the width dimensions over the other three half-tons. This is where Dodge will win with its conventional rear doors. No suicide doors, no cramped rear passengers, rear windows that roll down instead of flip-vents. And as I noted above, the F150 SuperCrew is the same size as the Dodge Quad, so for Ford to call that a crew cab is misleading.
My Dodge dealer has 25 Ram 1500s in stock. All but one are Quad Cab 4x4 shortbeds, the other is a Quad Cab 4x2 longbed.
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If you really like the new Ram, give it a second shot. Go to another dealer and take another one for the test drive. Insist on the 4.7...I did that when I was considering the Tundra. Had to drive it twice before I turned completely away from it. Believe it or not, you will actually get used to the rumble...
New Ram SLT has 11 speakers (if you get the premium stereo)...most of the time while cruising, I don't hear the exhaust.
Not only go to the Toyota dealer, go to chevy or GMC and Ford and compare the engine "noise" to each of the full size models.
Kcram, the cool part about the Ram is that it doesn't cost "Crew cab" price, but can compare to a crew cab in interior dimensions. The only thing Ram's missing that a FOrd supercrew has is what-rear headrests?
numbers don't tell the whole story. i have sat in the back seat of both a new quad and a supercrew (which i currently own). the supercrew doesn't have much more rear seat leg rooom vs the quad (however you can tell the difference), but the seat back angle is much more comfortable than the too upright one in the quad. the ram does seem a little wider but three folks still fit mighty comfortably in the back of my s-crew. plus, the rear doors on the s-crew are larger and ingress/egress is easier on the s-crew. i have nothing against the quad, but when it came down to the nitty gritty, i preferred the s-crew and that is what i got.
tavgrad,
i have issues with your made in arkansas statement. to the best of my knowledge chrysler does not have any plants whatsoever in arkansas. the truck plants are all around detroit...st louis and in mexico. not sure where you got that made in arkansas business?
Well, the supercrew is a true CREW cab, and the new Dodge Quad is an EXTENDED cab. the seats fold up for even MORE storage versus the Supercrew, you know that.. A crew cab is designed to carry people back there ALL of the time, versus ANY extended cab is to carry people some of the time. When the true Dodge Ram crew cab arrives in a year of two, then we should argue about back seat room....Dodge ain't finished.
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I called Dodge information, and you are right, they are assembled in Warren, MI, Fenton, MO. They did not say Saltillo, Mexico, but I believe that some assembly is there, too.
Disregard my previous post.
FOr those of you that have a new truck with the 5.9, does the engine make more power after break in?
Do you guys know when dodge will be putting some better engines in these trucks? 11 mpg in the city? Ouch.
ispangler,
Wait until next year-The HD's will be out, and the 5.9 will be put to sleep. The 5.7 HEMI will replace it. (According to what Kcram stated).
Ram 1500
- 3.7 OHC V6 - power increase to about 225hp/260 lb-ft
- 4.7 OHC V8 - goes to the HO version of 270/325
- 5.7 HEMI V8 - 330/360
Ram 2500/3500
- 6.1 HEMI V8 - 360/420 (don't think it will get to the rumored ratings, moparmad)
- 8.0 V10 - 380/480
- 5.9 Cummins - 285/540 (current rumor is 275/525)
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kcram.....In your comparison chart, the F350 doesn't belong in there, it's a 1 ton truck, everything else in your list is 1/2. The F350 is a Truck, the rest are wannabes, the Super Duties are a breed of their own. When you see the elephant ears coming at you, you know it's a super duty, can you say that, you can tell any other truck at a distance like the SD.
I bought the truck, I wanted for my purposes, like Tav did, but if I was given the choice of a new ram quad or an avalache, the quad would make the cut. That drop down just doesn't cut it in my book.
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Maybe dodge should market it as a crew cab and not as an extended cab with forward opening doors.
The Super Crew is a crew cab with a 5 1/2 box. The dakota is a crew cab just like the S-10 Crew Cab. Just because dodge doesn't want to call their new quad cab a crew cab, does it mean chevy and ford is wrong in calling there trucks crew cabs?
I see lot of them on the dealer lot. They should of put that 4.7 OHC V8 270/325. They could
halt production and put that engine in this year. In stead of waiting a few years. I may have to wait until next year to buy my truck. I wouldn't get the 5.9 that the old engine still. What where they think!! I was going to get the 4.7 240/300
when kcram wrote #318 about the engine. Dodge
truck market is flat as a pancake right now.
Ford and Chevy steaming right along.
I hope you enjoy it
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I bought an SLT+ 2 door regular cab 4x4 in Light Almond, Sticker was $31,565. I LOVE the looks, and everyone tells me what a nice truck it is. Problem is, the interior RATTLES like a box of rocks over any little bump. Also, It has a very good stereo, so good in fact that it rattles the doors (literally) if I turn it up some. WHAT'S UP WITH ALL THE RATTLES? Like I said, I love the way it looks, but all these noises in the interior are starting to DRIVE ME! Anyone else have any experiences like this? Thanks.
problem with the door panels vibrating. Not horrible, just on certain songs it seems,
the latest Staind CD especially. I haven't tried to chase down where exactly it comes from.
Like I said, it isn't too horrible, but when you hear it, it is aggravating knowing what these
trucks cost. However, I have no complaints about about going over bumps or anything.
Good luck!
Paul
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I like pulling 5000# trailers in OD keeping the RPM down around 1500 not towing in 3rd or 2nd at 3000 or more RPM.
I like the interior, but between the extra weight and the motors (until hemi comes out), and the poor transmission reliability (mine is fine tho) I'd have to consider the F or GM trucks.
The 02's boast of a 400% frame torsion improvment, that just shows how weak the old frames really were.
The big 3 really don't want to make a fantastic truck, they milk these cash cows for all they worth and just add what they think will sell. The new Dodge truck seems to think that a jacked up truck will sell - and it might, as some people think height is a way to determine how heavy duty the truck is (warped, I know). The huge front grill is my main styling objection to the design, if it wasnt' for that, I might be trading in or something. That and the hemi isn't out yet.
DD