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MINI Cooper



  • seminole_kevseminole_kev Posts: 1,722
    actually the speed channel broadcast a SCCA pro rally last sunday. Well, sort of. They interupted it for some "great" Nascar updates. Of course, they did the same thing during day 2 of the WRC's Rally of Argentina. Really I could see the MINI starting in the WRC Jr events. They're more stock, 1600cc FWD cars. Some of the smaller manufacturers are making some inroads there. Would be a good place to start. Would love to see them at the top level though. Just don't steal too many victories from the WRC Focus ok? ;-) You can take all the Peugot victories you want though!
  • jr47jr47 Posts: 10
    Thanks! I'm pretty far down on the Cooper list (Sept/Oct build). I guess I might get a 2003 instead? Oh well, who knows... I'm not holding my breathe...Although I wonder what the changes will be? If I'm that far down, I might as well wait for the new model, it's not like they're giving price breaks on 2002's!
  • The changes for 2003 will be;

    - armrests added (I sure hope they're retrofittable, as my 2002 Cooper S won't have one :-( )

    - the front cupholders will be revised/moved.

    - many options such as; heated windshield (similar to the way a rear window is defrosted), Rain-senor (for wipers of course), and Park Distance Control (sensors in the bumpers omit a beeping noise INSIDE the car, letting you know you're getting too close to an object/car), should all be available for optioning, by then.

    - possibly some new colour choices (exterior and interior).
  • segestasegesta Posts: 27
    It's funny that they would outfit the shortest car on the road with Park Distance Control. I thought that was just for bloated SUVs trying to navigate the Wal-Mart parking lot (!)

    I'd love an armrest, however...
  • hpulley4hpulley4 Posts: 591
    Most, if not all, of these options were supposed to be available for 2002 but won't be.

    I agree that parking distance control is funny on a 142" long car but actually with my seat usually all the way down, I often find it difficult knowing how close I am. I usually think I'm close when in fact have 4-5 feet to spare...
  • tollagtollag Posts: 23
    I was watching the SCCA, and noticed that broadcast.. because you know, life can't go on without Nascar!!! (jk... don't really care for Nascar, it's a boring sprint race). Anyway.. I Love Puegot it's Ford I have a problem with... and I'm sure they could pull out another 50-75 bhp from that inlne 4, and make in an awd vehicle. We'll see though... maybe Makinen will switch to it like his father!
  • tchoyttchoyt Posts: 8
    Been waiting for a long time for Mini and Mini S, no response from dealership in San Diego(Escondido), how are the 2 dealers in Orange County and how was the purchase, easy or difficult? I would like to hear what the wait has been, and if the Cooper S is worth the difference in wait time and aggravation in terms of getting one?
  • Verrrrrrrrryyyy Intelesting...

    I am having the same discussion with my dealer. I was offered an "S" for August delivery at MSRP plus a mandatory allowance for options, but I'd be interested in changes for the new year. P N - What's the source of the data for the '03 changes?
  • tollagtollag Posts: 23
    Reading from many sources, the new changes for 03' will basically be those that were removed from this year's car!
  • jr47jr47 Posts: 10
    Thanks for all of the responses re the 2003 changes. I noticed that on the test drive, no armrest! I am sure they'll make it available as an aftermarket option for 2002's though. At least that's how it is for BMW's.

    As for lead times tchoyt, I can't speak for So Cal, but here in the Bay Area I was told 4-5 months for the Cooper, 13 months for the S. I'd love the S but I can't afford to wait 13 months! Oh well...
  • segestasegesta Posts: 27
    Wow, 4 - 5 months to get ANY Cooper? Or to get one optioned exactly the way you want? I was able to find what I wanted on the lot, but with the high turnover on the local lots in Chicago, it took frequent trips to the dealer to check the stock. But definitely no waiting lists if you just want to show up and buy one.

    For what that's worth...
  • jr47jr47 Posts: 10
    Yep, 4-5 months for a custom ordered Cooper. Although they say the timeframe is variable (people dropping off the list etc). They said 4-5 months is a worst case scenario though (but we'll see).
    Regarding in stock models, the dealer here never seems to have more than 3 cars max. They seem to sell very quickly, at least here. In fact, I went for a test drive last weekend and by the time I got back to the dealership, someone else had already bought it! (I'm sure he wasn't too pleased when he saw we had taken our dog along! - whoops! - ah, she didn't do anything anyway, she just sat on my wife's lap and enjoyed the ride...)
    But going back to the wait time, it's not a big deal for me. That's my timeframe for buying a new car anyway.
  • segestasegesta Posts: 27
    By the way, I went to and found a "Mini Cooper S" listed with 500 miles, advertised at a suburban Chicago luxury motor-car dealer, for $24,995. However, the car is NOT an S, because there's no hood scoop on the car in the photo. Strike 1.

    Then I went to the dealer's website and the same car was *not* claimed to be an S... *but* the price showed $29,995! Strike 2.

    Identical used (~200-500 mile) Coopers are selling in Chicago for $22.5 - 24K. Strike 3.

    So before Chicago-area Edmunds readers get all excited about the Cooper S for sale in Downers Grove, read all the fine print. Of course, if anyone wants to spend $30K on my loaded (leather, premium, heated seats, CD changer) "regular" Cooper, I will even wash it for you. It's the least I can do. :-)
  • tollagtollag Posts: 23
    I was just wondering if anyone else who's car is going to be made before August is going to be missing thir Xenon headlamps, Heated Windscreen, sensing wipers, and the auto dimming mirror? My car is supposed to be here Early July, and I guess I have a decision to make on weather or not I want it... :-\
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583

    according to this list, the Mini Cooper S will be in DS, facing cars such as the Integra Type R, S4, IS300, Sentra Spec V, and the WRX.

    The regular Mini Cooper will be in the HS class, which include common compact sedans such as Focus, Civic (except Si), Sentra (except Spec V), and Protege (except MP3).
  • pengqirenpengqiren Posts: 6
    I know we buy these to drive, not ride, but I'm concerned whether or not my 2 kids in booster seats in back will be able to sit comfortably w/o shoving their feet in my back. I'd appreciate any data/anecdotes about seating capacity in back.
  • only1harryonly1harry NYPosts: 1,140
    but I don't think I 'd put my kids in a Mini, at least not frequently or for a log trip. Buy a mid-size sedan for the kids (the wife actually) that you can be the grocery getter and use for family trips, etc. I 've bought my wife Galants, Accord and an Altima. I feel better knowing she drives the kids around in a 3,000lb car than a 2300-2500lb one that's almost 1/2 the length..

    BTW, I can't believe the S4 is in D Stock. That's an AWD 250hp car. It belongs in BS with the older M3s, etc. Other than that the cars in DS are not badly matched. The Mini has its work cut out for it though.. BTW, you left out all the BMW 3-series V6 (330ci, 328, etc.), Eclipse/Talon Turbo AWD & Prelude. Out of all these cars, the power to weight ratio seems to favor the Integra Type-R (195hp weighing 2600lbs) but on the downside the ITR has the least torque out of all the cars.. We know the ITR has beaten the BMWs & DSMs in the past as well as WRX & IS300 last year at the Nationals and has been the presiding National champion car in G Stock for the last 3-4yrs. The only cars in this new class the ITR was moved to, that it hasn't proven itself against, are the Mini and the S4.
    What do you guys think? I think the S4 or the ITR will take the D Stock National championship this year at Topeka.
    '99 Integra GSR
    '06 Civic LX coupe
    '11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
    '13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
  • hersbirdhersbird Posts: 323
    Saw a yellow cooper today it looks nice. It is a lighter yellow then most cars, closer to my brother's WRX yellow. Lighter then my mom's 99 VW bug and much lighter then my 2000 Dodge. It would make a nice 4th shade of yellow in our family!
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Posts: 1,339
    Harry, in your post above you mention "BMW 3-series V6" cars, but you probably know that all BMW 6 cylinders are in-line engines. BMW has never made a V6 engine for any production car -- so far.
  • hpulley4hpulley4 Posts: 591
    I don't know about booster seat aged kids but my 14-month old son sits fine in his forward-facing convertable car seat (was rear facing at one time). There is lots of space behind the passenger's seat and you can arrange it such that there is a fair amount of space behind the driver's too (I usually sit too far back though). I occasionally have an adult sit behind the passenger seat but have yet to put 2 adults in the back -- I'm sure it is possible so I don't think booster seats will be a big problem. I'd put the smaller child behind the driver though.

    Getting my son into his seat is easier than I thought it would be. When the front seat is pushed all the way forward, there is more than enough room to strap a child in. Rear facing seats would be much more difficult (did it last year at first in my 3-door Geo Metro with my son before we bought our wagon).

    We have a Saturn LW200 wagon for our grocery getter and for overnight trips but since getting the MINI Cooper last last month all day trips have been done in the MINI! Last week we even got groceries in the Cooper, including a mega club-pack of diapers which required me to fold half the back seat down. The MINI is a fun car to drive and my son is at the stage where he wants to walk so a stroller isn't even required so at the moment, the MINI fits our needs for a family day tripper just fine (overnight would likely be a stretch but you never know, with the seat down a playpen/bed might fit). My son loves clocks and similar things so he loves the MINI too -- as soon as he gets in, he looks at the speedometer and says "CLOCK!"

    The novelty of getting him in the back seat will probably wear off at some point but for now I don't see why a family can't use the MINI Cooper. I wouldn't want it to be my only car but it could be done.
  • hpulley4hpulley4 Posts: 591
    I've seen 4-cylinder 318 and 316 BMWs in HS too. I don't know if they're just old ones or what.
  • m37stevem37steve Posts: 10

    Xenon may be available for July build cars, heated windscreen not until September. I ordered in March, decided I could live without the heated w/s, but my order is on hold until the Xenons are available.
  • Sorry. I didn't notice you directed that question at me. (I forgot that I put my initials down for my name, in my profile).

    My source (and the best one):

  • tollagtollag Posts: 23
    I had an option of waiting for the Xenons, but that would mean that I'd be transfered to the back of the list! Since I can't really let that happen, I'll just do a personal upgrade to Xenons later... they'll cost like $700... only $200 more..

    Assembly begins, June 14th!
  • mattrichtermattrichter Posts: 19
    Hi Everyone, I'm in the SW Bay Area and I'm looking to order a Mini or S with tons of options, but no Perma plate, wheel locks etc. I don't want to pay over MSRP and am willing to drive or fly a bit to get the right deal. Any idea where to look?

    Thanks for any help.

  • kkcymrukkcymru Posts: 48
    Have you tried Lithuania? They don't have the S, but the Mini Cooper starts at just 53,332.64 LT.
  • No problem! I too have migrated over to mini2 as well as Edmunds...look for me as magnus2 there.
  • Don't know why a Mini should not be a grocery getter. We used our classic Rover Mini Cooper when we lived in the UK for exactly that. I drove wife and baby son home from the hospital in the Mini too...(!)
  • pablo_lpablo_l Posts: 491
    I have ordered a full-spec-everything S in the Bay Area. It'll arrive in October or November (Xenon and Harman aren't available earlier). I am not paying over MSRP.
  • mattrichtermattrichter Posts: 19
    Thanks for the hopeful news! What dealer did you use?
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