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  • swinga7swinga7 Member Posts: 45
    I've heard the rsx-r is coming over here too from a couple different places. And that the civic si will be getting the rsx types 200hp engine.

    I hope its true
  • dkneedsnwcrdkneedsnwcr Member Posts: 35
    What type of mileage are you guys getting? I do mixed driving 30%city/70% hiway and I'm getting on average 24-25mpg. Just wondering what everybody else is getting.

    I always fill with Sunoco 92. Worst tank was with Ultra 94 (I must've revved it a bit harder :)).
  • beowulf7beowulf7 Member Posts: 290
    I called Acura Client Services in CA about a week ago. The customer rep. told me that the RSX-R will be out "definitely" (relatively speaking) for the 2004 models. However, Acura could also introduce it earlier, i.e., a 2003 model this Fall.
  • beowulf7beowulf7 Member Posts: 290
    Going back to the sedan vs. coupe that someone mentioned about 8 posts ago. It's obviously subjective on what we think looks better on a car like the RSX. But I will say that in my area, I've noticed about a 90/10 ratio for the '94-'99 generation Integras, in favor of coupes.

    I went to the Acura dealer hoping to test drive the Type S. I've already test driven the base RSX (manual). They didn't have any Type S in inventory! The salesman told me that Acura received 3 last week, and all 3 are sold. He said maybe by next weekend (in May), they'll get a couple more in. Maybe he's trying to scare me into thinking that I won't have any room to negotiate in price, if I do decide to get an RSX.

    In a related issue, I'm ticked off as (heck) that these (darn) manufacturers are underproducing manny trannies. Or that the dealers in my area are buying way too many of those Shiftronic cars and not enough manuals. I went to the Mercedes dealership ... the C230 coupes in stock were only autos. Ditto for the Celica GTS at the local Toyota store. And now for the RSX, no Type S's. If the demand is so high for manual transmissions, at least in my area (S. NJ), why are all these dealerships not meeting the demand?!

    Even for the high volume Eclipse! I went last weekend hoping to drive the 2003 Eclipse GTS. They had a (crapload) of 2003 Eclipses in various trims, and several auto GTSs. But the only manual GTS there was a manager's demo car. So that's the one I wound up test driving (and it already had some 500-600 miles on it).

    Listen up NJ automobile dealerships: GET MORE STICK SHIFT CARS!! (Done venting.)
  • verozahlverozahl Member Posts: 574
    Usually, at dealers, I notice a dearth of coupes/sports in auto tranny. I'll be drooling at it and saying 'ugh! A stik shift! Argh!' or something like that.
  • jnt1jnt1 Member Posts: 4
    Got mine in silver back in December at Acura of Peabody in MA. Luckily, I was able to negotiate a fair deal (1000 below MSRP) but that was only because we had previously bought an MDX (yes, silver again) through the same dealership a year earlier. A few thoughts. When I decided to purchase a new car this year, the RSX of course came up on my radar screen. But I purposely waited until test driving all the other cars on my list to go for a ride in the Acura. And I bought the RSX type S nearly on the spot because it was the only car that made me grin from ear to ear after the test drive. I just had to have it.

    Amazingly, I've been averaging about 25 mpg in 60/40 city/highway miles. So much fun and so little fuel, what could be better?
  • acbeacbe Member Posts: 16
    I've had my Type S for about 2 months now. I do mostly city driving and have been averaging 25 miles per gallon (premium gas only!!). The car itself is phenomenal! I LOVE it even more each time I drive it!! It just seems to hug the road. Before I purchased the Type S, I test drove the base RSX (manual) and have to say that if you are planning on buying an RSX, DEFINITELY spend the extra $$ and get the Type S. The handling is so much better!
    Pros to getting this car: the seats are extremely comfortable, shifting is sooo smooth, engine sound, v-tec is SUPERB(200HP), color (pearl white), very roomy, climate control, in dash lighting at night (red), overall handling...I'm sure I'm still missing alot and will probably add more later...
    As far as cons, I just can't think of any.
    When I was car shopping, I first test drove this car, then the WRX, Volkswagen GTI, Nissan Sentra SE-R, Toyota Celica, Eclipse GT, and I had planned to test drive others just to keep my options open, but quickly figured out that I was wasting my time because I found myself comparing every car to the Type S. If I could do it again, I'd Definitely choose the RSX type S!!!!!!! The quality is definitely above and beyond what I had expected, and for a reasonable price!!!
  • beowulf7beowulf7 Member Posts: 290
    acbe, which Acura dealership do you work for? j/k ... congrats on your RSX-S and that you're having so much fun with it. But, I'm sure there must be at least one "con" you can think of ;-)

    Have any of you RSX (base trim or Type S) owners swapped out the factory 16" tires/wheels for aftermarket 16" or 17" tires/wheels? Can the RSX-S even be equipped with the 17" tires/wheels or it is physically impossible to fit them in there?
  • acbeacbe Member Posts: 16
    Actually I'm really not an acura dealer, although after re-reading what I wrote I can understand how you'd think that. My last car was a '92 ford escort and of course you can't even put the two side by side because it's like night and day, which is probably one of the reasons why I'm so happy with the RSX. I have read about complaints with the smaller tires, but I just can't complain right now, maybe I'd eventually go with the 17" just for enhancement after I get bored, but I have a feeling that won't happen for a LONG time(getting bored)! :)
  • greenguygreenguy Member Posts: 78
    I would spend the ~1.5K on suspension bits before wheels/tires. getting rid of that wheel gap and making the car handle better. but even just some sticky tires would be an improvement. Besides the stock 16" on the typr-S look good IMHO.
  • l_yao1l_yao1 Member Posts: 15
    Yes it can fit in 17' wheels and tires, and if your town has the perfect road ( just like no big hole on the road etc.) then you can put on the 18'. But it is the limite which I could know. (some aftermarket shop technician told me.) but he didn't recommand me to put 18' wheel on untill its just for racing lol. Also the suspension should be done before to put on the tire, if you got rsx base or premium, not the S!!!
  • ratass_2002ratass_2002 Member Posts: 17
    I went to a dealer recently and was impressed by the premium version of the RSX(leather, 6 speakers, 16" tires, alarm system, heated front sit, ABS...) Basically just missing the BOSE speakers and 40HP short for Type S. I went to a Honda dealer afterwards to see the Civic-SIR and regular SI. They just looked ordinary and cheap=) SIR is too damn fat. Looks like a pumpkin, and is not really compelling to me. Anyhow RSX styling is much upscale.


    I read (at http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/new/) that RSX is noisy on the road. Not confortable on long trip. Poor acceleration for automatic transmission. I mean that bothers me because I am going to use this car for long trips for sure. Not sleeping this babe on the drive way for 32000Can(5A,including tax).


    I would like some owner's opinion. I didn't see any recent discussion about the pros/cons of a RSX. So let me know what are your comment about RSX so far. I usually try to stay around 140km/h to 150km/h if I can, otherwise at 120km/h on thr highway(will this cause road/tire/engin noise?). Also the dealer in my area told me that the Premium version of RSX has no discount/incensitive so she can't give me any rebates on the suggested retail price. This didn't sound right to me after I went home. I WANT DISCOUNT. My friend is planning to buy a RSX with me at the same time. They better give me something:)

  • revkarevka Member Posts: 1,750
    Hi Folks- Can someone here offer Skedmunds some feedback on the Acura Integra acceleration/transmission in this Acura Integra discussion (post #294)? Thanks for your help.

    And now, back to the subject of the Acura RSX! ;-)

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  • l_yao1l_yao1 Member Posts: 15
    Hi man I have the RSX-S, and my frined had the Premium. They both perfect. Yes, the S i have is 40 more hp than P. But it also take 2000 higher rmp to get it, So when you accelerating this baby, you may feel the same ( but the S is little bit faster lol). Also if you have those Sprotshift automatic on. Than there should be no problem for your acceleration. My frined beat celica GT, and also Civic Si with his P. So you can buy the S for 3000 CA more but yes you got the 40 hp and the BOSE ( plus the needed 4'sub in the spare tire) and one thing you didn;t mentioned is that you get firmer suspensions and bigger rear disc break too ( P/S, 280mm/300mm) so it would be better if you can drive standard to get the S for sure.

    For road noise, yes when you drive the car up to 130 or 160, its noisier than my old Xterra, but its better than mostly this class's Hatchback. And I do alot long drive too, I already put on 17890 km on my baby in less than 4 months, (I went from Toronto-Saint john-Halifax-Moncton and get back to Toronto lol) And the car gave me a very good trip, I had no problems with the noise, will you? This just my experiences, Based on my car, different car has different feeling even it the same kind, so choose carefully and have fun with you shopping ( i love to shopping cars, its fun!!!) Hope it would help you!!! (^^)
  • ratass_2002ratass_2002 Member Posts: 17
    Does the speakers in the RSX Premium offer a good base? I guess as long as they are better than the 4 speakers that are offered in the base model, I am happy with it.

    Is it easy to get a loan with Honda Canada or Honda USA? I heard that they will almost always loan because they buy insurance on your loan(you are probably paying for that, as a hidden cost), and if you fail to pay the insurance pays Honda, and you lose the car to the insurance company(something like that:)
  • l_yao1l_yao1 Member Posts: 15
    Yes the P offer a pretty good sound ( includes base.) compare to same classes of other manufactures. But you still gonna install a sub ( at least 10" if you love the bass) My S already got a 4" in the factory, but I still put 2 12" in, in order to boom, boom , boom lol.
    And the loan stuff I had no idea of it, cause I bought it by paying cash, so no need for that, but I can ask my frined and tell ya later!!!!
  • sk8surfrsk8surfr Member Posts: 14
    When you fold down the back seats, how much room is there for longer items. I am looking at the RSX-S and the Lexus IS300. I surf all the time, but do not know if the RSX will hold a 6' board. Will it with one or both seats down diagonal?
  • suijuris94suijuris94 Member Posts: 4
    I just got my RSX-Type S five days ago, and am I ever having fun in it!! I don't notice much road noise, at least none that you wouldn't expect in a sport coupe. I should also mention that my previous car (which is being handed down to my son) was a 1992 Honda Civic Hatchback, so the soundproofing materials had DEFINITELY broken down in it years ago. IT had road noise. As for comfort, I've never been in a more comfortable car. I'm taking my RSX to Chicago (about a 6 hour trip) in less than two weeks, so I'll post how it was on a moderately long trip. So far, I feel like I could sit in it forever!! I am loving the car.
  • heatmiser1heatmiser1 Member Posts: 122
    There is plenty of room for 6'0" (and longer) provided you don't have a passenger.
  • l_yao1l_yao1 Member Posts: 15
    Yes, the room is really big when you fold down the back seats. I can put 2 large Backege ( means those international travel size lol) and 3 small size bad and also some bags( 3or 4) in to the car and also 2 people seating in the car ( includes me lol, just picked up my friend from airport lol). So i think you will be suprise how big it is. I was doing the same comparision between is300 and RSX. And after all, I choose the RSX. Cause the price and the stuff you get.
  • ratass_2002ratass_2002 Member Posts: 17
    How much it cost to add base in the RSX. Let's say
    average quality? Where does the base go in the car? What kind of mod will not woid the warrenty?
  • beowulf7beowulf7 Member Posts: 290
    To add to ratass' question, can one take an amplified and enclosed subwoofer (such as a powered Bazooka) and reroute the wires that go to the RSX-S' wimpy Bose sub to the more potent aftermarket sub (like the said Bazooka)? Is there any other wiring work that needs to be done?
  • revkarevka Member Posts: 1,750
    Anyone here have some feedback for suijuris94, regarding RSX oil changes, in our Acura RSX problems & solutions discussion, Post #13. Thanks for your participation.

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  • ranaldranald Member Posts: 147
    No, you've got it backwards. Canadians get more in their RSX-S, including heated seats, and pay less.
  • ratass_2002ratass_2002 Member Posts: 17
    actually acura.ca will tell you everything.

    In the premium package you get leather sits with heated front sits. The price is 28000Can(~18000US) exchange) before tax(31000Can(~20000us) for Type S). Only a few difference from Type S and Premium. Like in Type S 200HP, Acurac/Bose Speakers,...better handling.

    Type S doesn't have enough bonus over the Premium.
    If you compare to the base model(only in canada) to Premium you can see that 3000Can extra is worth the extra(better tire, leather sit, ABS, sun roof,6 speakers...).

    I wish 2003 Honda's Integra Type R is here. It looks like a RSX, but somehow better:)
  • beowulf7beowulf7 Member Posts: 290
    This is meant to be a serious question, I can explain before I get flamed.

    I currently drive a '99 Integra LS which has a 1.8 L, 140 HP (and probably 130+ ft-lb. torque, but the exact figure escapes me). This is a non-VTEC engine. It red-lines at 6900 RPM and it's adequately quick. This car will soon come off lease and I'm looking to find a replacement (RSX-S).

    I've test driven the RSX-S (twice). I was intrigued from what I read about its 2.0 L, 200 HP, 142 ft-lb. engine. So I happily test drove the car and was disappointed with acceleration in the first gear. The car seemed slower in first gear than my Integra. Once the tachometer zoomed past 6000 rpm, no doubt that the RSX felt way faster - it really took off.

    But why, from a standstill start, does my Integra, given its 60 HP deficiency, seem faster for the first 5-6 krpm? Has any mag compared 0-to-30 mph acceleration tests between the RSX-S and Integra? I know the Integra is about 100 lbs. lighter, but I don't think that solely accounts for it.
  • beowulf7beowulf7 Member Posts: 290
    I want to clarify that in the other gears, the RSX-S definitely felt quicker than my Integra LS. It is just in first gear where the Integra felt faster.
  • verozahlverozahl Member Posts: 574
    Beowulf, the Integra was the WRONG car to lease. I bought my 2001 Integra LS exactly one year ago ... this one's for the long haul!

    As for the engine... haven't driven a RSX much at all, but my conjecture: maybe the RSX is a little too refined. The Integra LS engine is more wild at lower RPMs, whereas the RSX is more patient until it gets to higher levels.

    Integra LS up to RSX-S? That's a bit of an upgrade. Automatic climate control, used improperly, though, will freeze you to death! LOL.
  • beowulf7beowulf7 Member Posts: 290
    Why do you say the Integra was the wrong car to lease? I mean I knew that it was going to have a major redesign. But I wanted a sports coupe, and at the time, I was under 25, so the GS-R trim would have killed me in insurance.

    Climate control takes a bit getting used to. ... I was considering the Eclipse GTS, Celica GTS, and even the Tiburon GT V6. But in the end (call me a badge snob), I want another Acura. An RSX-S for under $25 k out the door isn't bad.
  • jfunkjfunk Member Posts: 25
    I would venture to guess that it is the "i" in i-VTEC that has given you the perception that you have described in the RSX-s.

    The "i" referring to VTC (Variable Timing Control) maximizes power output and torque across a wide margin of the power band. This makes for a broader and flatter torque curve- which translates to a much more civilized, refined engine with a more linear power delivery.(So the engine is consistently pulling throughout the revs, even though you don't feel it as much)

    This is at the expense of the previous generation VTEC's dramatic change over to the higher lift cam. You don't get that "seat of the pants" rush- even though you are going faster.(with the i-VTEC)
    So in theory the new engine is superior but lacking the visceral thrill of the older VTEC's.

    Oh and don't worry about being called a badge snob, I've been called that and worse on various boards. If I don't get my new "Accord-Prelude" coupe (right Verozahl?) this Fall, I'll be picking up a
    RSX-s.
  • varmintvarmint Member Posts: 6,326
    Beowulf - I think the difference may simply be a matter of "feeling". The LS feels faster than the RSX, but it isn't actually going any faster. Here's a few examples from my experience (dunno if they apply to these two cars).

    Gearing and revs: Drive a high-revving car at 5,000 rpms. You hear the engine, see the tach rise, and "feel" like you are flogging it. Now drive a car with low-end torque. It moves at the same speed, but it seems to do if effortlessly. You don't get the same hyperactive feeling from the car.

    Seating: Sit in a car that has its driver's seat position very low to the ground. Keep it in park. Now sit in a car that has you raised higher off the ground. It feels slower, even though you aren't going anywhere.

    Anyway, you get the idea. There are sensory clues that contribute to the "feeling" of speed that don't necessarily mean you are moving any faster.
  • verozahlverozahl Member Posts: 574
    The idea I was presenting was that you should have bought the Integra. The RSX is nice, but I'm not getting all worried about having a 3rd-generation Integra. RSX has newfangled interior (gauges and controls) and no center armrest/console w/cover. Yuck.

    For your situation though, a RSX-S makes sense... unless you want to wait for the RSX Type R
    and take the plunge.

    Honda's making me frown, lately. The RSX tries to do everything in replacing the sportier Civics, the Integras, and the Preludes of the late 1990s. It's a great car, but I want a Prelude. Yes, I'm a badge snob, and Acura Total Luxury Care has been great, but I want a Prelude.

    My younger brother is looking at Hondas and Nissans for the most part... he doesn't like the Tiburon styling much. Civic EX for coupe and Honda smoothness and ergonomics, or Sentra SE-R for power and sports looks.

    Talk to me again in a few years and see what I do with the Integra. I hope it lasts for the next decade, because the current cars on the market don't do much for me. Camaro? gone. Silvia/240SX? gone. Prelude? gone. Ack.

    That said, all the anti-Acura people out there keep disparaging the Integra/RSX, but the car only keeps getting better. It's better for Acura to mess up with the SLX or RL than with the Integra/RSX or TL... and the RL isn't messed up, I see plenty here along with TLs and Integras/RSXs, MDXs, and the occassional CL.

    Badge snob? Acura is 'only a fancy Honda'... so say the critics... but I'd like to ask you what you would get if you crossed a Honda and a BMW.
    The other answer to this question is the Prelude... don't need no leather interior! Drives great, super reliable.

    Real badge-snob people out always snork 'what's better than a Benz C230 for the money' ... you know the answer!! A new RSX.
  • verozahlverozahl Member Posts: 574
    ... that the RSX is 'Acura gone corporate.'

    Which, of course, if I was another automaker, I would kill to have 'major problems' as small as that! LOL.

    Windshield-washer jets on the hood instead of underneath (like on Integra and Prelude). No center convered console. Many steps forward... how did Honda-Acura manage to make these two steps backward.

    As I said, though, if I was another automaker, I would love to have 'major problems' so minor... the RSX is the chief of the sport-compact market still in terms of features and driving, and the price is still right.

    Problem: Acura or Infiniti need to keep the RSX and G35 from looking like all their other models. Otherwise, they will become bland like Audi... very nice, but all of their models look too similar.
  • rbentonrbenton Member Posts: 30
    The Integra and RSX from day one have been the FILA of Civic's. That is a Sporty, Designer Civic sold at a botique at semi botique prices. That is all one needs to know about them.
  • verozahlverozahl Member Posts: 574
    ... and one could do worse than have a 'boutique' Civic or Sentra. Whatever mechanicals the Infiniti G20 is based upon, it's the most durable small car out there and the most reliable.

    If you can't stand it when an Integra or RSX passes you in your Mitsubishi Mirage 'sports coupe,' this is not the forum for your $0.02.
    By the way, thanx for the change.
  • himilerhimiler Member Posts: 1,209
    Your local Honda dealer can do anything for a RSX that an Acura dealer could without voiding the warranty. Just be sure to hold onto all service invoices in case something goes kablam. As for warranty work, you might end up in a tight spot if you can't work something out between the service managers at the Honda and Acura shops.

    Personally, I wouldn't buy a brand of car if there wasn't a dealer within 20 miles of my home (except for Lexus -- if the car breaks, they just send out a flatbed and a loaner).
  • verozahlverozahl Member Posts: 574
    Toyota and Lexus try to distance themselves, as do Nissan and Infiniti (well, at least nowadays). With Acura, it hasn't been like that. CL coupe vs. Accord coupe springs up regularly, and the question is often answered in both ways, depending on a consumer's preferences. American Honda has a great reputation, and it wants that to fall on both Honda and Acura nameplates. Call my car a Honda or an Acura, I don't care. Either one is fine for me. Acura badges look a little nicer, Acura dealerships are a little more upscale and carry nicer product, and Total Luxury Care is really what it says it is. Diss the Integra/RSX as you want... Honda gave Acura the winner and these days Acura has a product for the young and old enthusiast alike between the RSX, CL, and TL.

    I might take my car up to my vacation home this summer... there's nothing but Ford dealerships up there. I certainly wouldn't want to take a Toyota Celica up there and have the engine slime over. Civic or Integra or Accord or Prelude? I'm not worried.
  • beowulf7beowulf7 Member Posts: 290
    jfunk and varmint: You guys make valid points on why the Integra felt faster. Yes, the RSX is higher up (which I don't particularly like). And I agree with your reasoning about the i-VTEC distributing the speed throughout the tachometer, thus not providing a single gush of rush until after 6 or 7 krpm.

    verozahl: I didn't buy my car b/c I was scared of commitment. Ever since I learned to drive, I've received a different car every 2 or 3 years. Now I figure it's time for me to grow up and commit to a car. I'm planning for 8 years. Anything beyond that is bonus time. Another reason I didn't make the purchase was b/c I knew the Integra was going to be replaced very soon, and I didn't want to own a defunct car (just personal choice - obviously there's nothing wrong if you own a car that's no longer being produced).
  • ratass_2002ratass_2002 Member Posts: 17
    RSX_S has more power on the higher revs, unlike the Premium it rocks at lower rev which what most ppl likes. Unless you like to hear your engine laud. If your engine is fast a lower rev your acceleration is more noticeable right away, as opposed to cars with power at high revs.

    If you want to buy RSX in Canada you'll have to pay 15% canadian tax(23000US including tax), and import tax. In the end you will pay about the same if you were to buy in USA. Should buy the car in a state with less sales tax(That's why I love buying in the states).

    I thought buying in US too but I will end up paying more because of the exchange. If you compare to the definite value, we do pay less, but once you try to cross the car over the border then it's another story.
  • joe249joe249 Member Posts: 95
    Honda/Acura and others like Mazda have sportier and more powerful cars in Japan,or Europe and if we are lucky we get them a year later.
  • swinga7swinga7 Member Posts: 45
    is that regulations in emmissions, car safety, and demand make it hard for japanese to sell their more powerful versions in the U.S.

    even though I find it kind of ridiculous that we aren't allowed to have a japanese 4 cylinder car because off emissions reasons while a 10 cylinder monster suv is considered legal. Can anyone explain this to me?
  • verozahlverozahl Member Posts: 574
    No, swinga, can't explain it to you. Nissan should be able to sell the Silvia here in America at the same reasonible price it sells for in Japan (same as RSX price here), so it wouldn't be cancelled from their lineup.

    Not that it matters... GM still turns out , but they are dumping the Camaro.

    "Does that make sense? Does it!
    Why does that Wookie live on Endor?
    If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit.
    Thank you, jury." - Johnnie Cochran on South Park
  • nippononlynippononly Member Posts: 12,555
    The SUV analogy is not one that applies in this case: the way that the Japanese make cars smog-legal here is to further restrict the exhaust with cats and the like - that is one reason we do not get some of the most powerful of their offerings. Another reason is that a lot of the hi-power Japanese cars are turbo-charged, which presents a special problem whenever the intercooler is located in front...the U.S. has the most restrictive safety regs as well, so that bumper and crash standards have to be met, which is often impossible without redesigning everything in order to get these intercoolers out of the way.

    Bottom line: Honda/Nissan/etc do not want to spend the exorbitant money to make all those changes, when they expect every one with the need for speed to be buying mustangs and corvettes anyway. But they do sometimes - skyline is coming here this year as an infiniti, and the prelude is coming back next year, having lost a little of its flab and gained some hp.

    by the way, GM cancelled the camaro because no-one had been buying it for four or five years, regardless of how great it was or was not.

    Question: what is visually appealing about the new RSX, as opposed to the old integra. Just wondering. To me it seems like they have made it into a smaller CL or TL at the front, and the sides look too fat. I liked the old integra - it had distinction. The new car looks too boring.

    In fact, they could have made the old integra for another five years, as far as I am concerned. As long as they kept bringing those type-r's over!

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,496
    The main reason many of them are not brought in is for safety regulations. Every car a manufacturer brings into the country has to be extensively (and expensively) crash tested by the US government. The low volume of sales might not make fiscal sense to bring into the country. You must remember that car manufacturers are in this for the money, and that's the bottom line.

    A perfect example is Audi with its upcoming A4 Cabriolet. It is being introduced with Front Wheel Drive and Audi's Multitronic (Continuously Variable Transmission) and no manual. All the Audi enthusiasts are calling for Audi of America's head because the car will not be offered here with quattro or a manual transmission. Audi figured it could only sell a few hundred (maybe 300-500 tops) cabriolets with a manual transmission and decided it wasn't worth the money for crash testing purposes. And that is on a $40,000 car!

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD

  • verozahlverozahl Member Posts: 574
    Right, how many Celica guys liked the old Integra? Get real, you only want Honda-Acura to fail... but the joke would be on you, sales for a 2002/3 3rd-generation Integra would have not been all that bad with one last refreshening. But honestly, the new RSX is mostly better except for a little cheap, irritating details and the overrefined engine/ride.

    Plenty of Camaros here, and my GM neighbors bought a 2002 Firebird because they are so sad it's going away... so I have to look at it for the next few years. 2001? I buy the last Integra. 2002? They buy the last Firechicken.
    Hint: There's a real different in tastes there, and also sanity levels.
  • nippononlynippononly Member Posts: 12,555
    I liked the old integras a lot. Mainly I am a fan of anything that does not follow the 90's trend of sameness with everything else, and I feel personally that the RSX has visually done that, and I think it is no accident: Acura wanted a corporate identity for all its cars, so that when one goes down the road, no matter which model, people could look at it and immediately say "Yes, that is an Acura". So they made the front of the RSX look like all the other Acuras.

    And I would have had said unhesitatingly that the 94 - 01 integra was a better sports car than the 94-99 celicas. Plus I liked the "four squinty eyes" look of the integra. The similar look of the celica was not as good. And the body looked fat along the flanks on the celica.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • nippononlynippononly Member Posts: 12,555
    you don't have to be insane to buy a camaro/firebird, you just have to know how to fix cars, and be prepared to do it a lot!! :-) Lots more horsepower, no sophistication, little handling ability, TALK ABOUT a difference in taste!

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • mikemajestymikemajesty Member Posts: 99
    always say that camaros and firebirds have horrible handling. this is not true at all and i am sick of hearing it. now i am in no way a fan of domestics, but i remember that edmunds had a test of sports coupes a while back (eclipse, celica, gti etc.) and they tested them on a race track. then they tested a z28 and mustang gt and both cars absolutely spanked the lap times of the imports, and the z28 killed the stang. the ss pulls about .88g on the skidpad(which is about on par with a stock c5, better than a any stock acura, besides the type r and nsx, and on par with the celica.) i think people believe that the z28 handles poorly because of its high ride hight. but before you knock a camaros handeling, give one a spin. just my .02 cents.
  • himilerhimiler Member Posts: 1,209
    F-bodies (Firebird/Camaro) are great in a straight line, but real pigs in the twisties. Numb steering, dull responses in transitions, and monster understeer if you're not willing to kick out the rears with the throttle. The only reason they can get around tracks quickly is because of their torque and wide rubber.

    FYI--lateral acceleration (G) numbers are a good indication of a car's handling only if you drive in small circles. When you've got lots of tire and torque, steady-state cornering is a breeze. Looking at slalom speeds will get you closer to the truth.

    Nippononly: If the Prelude replacement you mentioned is that rumoured Accord V6 6spd., I don't think you'll be seeing any weight reduction over the G5 Prelude.
  • nippononlynippononly Member Posts: 12,555
    I thought they were going to start over with the prelude, just make it a little lighter, and maybe a little more competitive in price, not just rebadge an accord V6 coupe as a prelude. To me that seems to be a major cop-out. I am going to keep crossing my fingers, and see what comes out next year! besides, what is all this talk of the new prelude being built on the S2000 platform? I have read more than one post saying that, by more than one person. That couldn't be an accord coupe could it? (he asked hopefully!)

    BTW, I have driven a couple of camaros extensively, and I could not agree more with himiler on his assessment - he is absolutely right on everything. The steering is numb, dead, and every time you want to change directions, the car transitions like the Titanic turning on the ocean. The Acuras and celicas etc of this world have NIMBLE handling, something the camaro designers never even knew the meaning of.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

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