I wonder if they're trying to purposely offer rebates. Sometimes the domestics do that on purpose. The Grand Am if you pay sticker is as much as a Camry, but they never expect it to go for more than a Sonata.
I too contacted several Ford Dealerships and none of them knew what I was talking about when I mentioned the ZX5. I sent them a link to the edmunds.com ZX5 page so they could straighten themselves out and then I moved on to the next dealership on my quest for the ZX5. I finally found one who was able to place an order for me (on August 2nd in Los Gatos, California) - I put down a deposit and am expecting it in 7 or 8 weeks (so they say). If those other Ford people had been aware, they would have made an easy sale!
Anyway, I'm looking very forward to my new "Grabber Green" ZX5! (I also used the X-Plan, so it is eligible.)
I don't understand "use order codes from" Edmunds. I sent out to Ford Direct and Autobytel through Edmunds with no response. Maybe I need to have dealers bid on my purchase? I may need to visit a couple of more dealers in my area. Any more specific help would be appreciated.
Now what does the "Grabber Green" look like? My girlfriend and I suspect it is like the Myst Green we saw on a 2000 VW Golf GTI VR6 a couple of weeks ago. I like the Malibu Blue the most. Someone around the corner from me just brought home a ZX3 in Malibu, and I keep drooling. (they got an autotragic, missing out on one of the best parts of the Focus, I think)
Thanks for the offer about the Elantra GT. I am vegetarian, so I would steer clear of a car with standard leather. I may test drive it anyway just for kicks! It doesn't have nearly the pizazz of the ZX5. Nothing looks close to this car. There is nothing on the road that looks like a ZX3 from behind.
Maybe you can just email all the dealers in your area directly with the options you want and have them send you a quote (maybe a problem since half of them won't know what you're talking about) - that's how I ordered mine. It was supereasy and hassle-free.
As for Grabber Green, I'm not sure what it looks like exactly either. It used to be on the original Mustangs (www.grabbergreens.com), but every picture I've seen is a different shade of green, yet all called grabber green. But it's some form of green so I had to get it. I agree, Malibu Blue is nice, too!
I wasn't able to access that link. Maybe I will try directly getting into the Downes Ford website and see where it goes. I did find a Fordtraining site that mentioned the order code as PL37. I clicked into the site it recommneded for pricing www.fdealer.com but got nothing. It needs a password. Any ideas for breaking it?
Is the ZX5 going to have the same nice front seats as the ZX3 or the crappy flat buckets from the Sedan and Wagon Models? Should I save up for some recaros?
I am OUTRAGED that Ford motor Company is not replacing the Zetec E in the focus with the modern Duratec HE, in the Ford Mondeo and being built in Dearborn, Michigan and in Mexico.
By holding back these world-class engines from the Focus, Ford is NEGLECTING compact car market in North America. In 2001 Honda introduced the new Civic with all new high efficiency engines with 39 mpg Hwy and 0-60 in 9 sec. In 2000 Toyota installed a new 1.8L engine in the Corolla that makes 41 mpg Hwy and goes 0-60 in 8.8 sec. The 2002 Focus the Focus will continue to use the base SPI and the optional Zetec E. The SPI engine dates back to the Escorts of the mid 80s and the Zetec E was designed in the late 80s and its engine block is even derived from SPI's engine block. These engines are hardly competitive, the SPI has good economy but it is slow (0-60 >10 sec) the Zetec E is quicker but has poor economy compared to the competition (34 mpg Hwy) and still slower than the Corolla. The engines are noisy, coarse, and rough, they are average engines in an above average car.
It is amazing that Ford will wait 2 years or more to replace the current engines when they have been building the all-new Duratec HE engine in Mexico for over a year now. Ford has even stated in press releases that they will replace the Zetec and SPI, with the Duratec HE. While they are waiting, the competition is giving the consumer cars with better performance, economy, and refinement and Focus sales will suffer. Sales are already down 28.6% in July and 11.7% for the year. Ford is FAILING to keep the Focus the best in its class and the engines are the problem.
Duratec HE engines are the Fix.
1.8l Duratec HE 125 hp @ 6000 rpm 125lb/ft @ 4800 rpm 41-mpg Hwy.
2.0l Duratec HE 145 Hp @ 6000 Rpm 140 lb/ft @ 4800 rpm 40-mpg hwy. Economy numbers from the Mondeo
Quote from Prof. Dr. Rudolf Menne, the Duratec HE engineering director.
"The new Duratec HE engine is the cornerstone of our long- term petrol engine strategy, and it is the result of an intensive process to develop a new range of powertrains that are absolutely on the technological edge"
Duratec HE engines represent a considerable step forward in terms of refinement and NVH reduction, and the result is smooth, quiet operation even during spirited driving.
These engines are exceptional; they should be in the Focus now. Ford is making a grave mistake in thinking the Focus can compete without these engines.
Without these engines Ford's world Class Compact will quickly become a mediocre Econobox.
I ordered my ZX5 last night. Malibu Blue with Medium Graphite interior. The gentleman at fred Beans in Doylestown PA was very helpful. He was more interested in getting me what I want, rather than selling me something I didn't (i.e 2001 Pitch Black ZX3 with no moonroof).
Anyway, he gave me a copy of the complete lineup of standard and optional equipment for the 2002 Focus line!
The ZX5 seems to have some very special seats. They are listed as Sport Buckets with dual map pockets and kangaroo pouches (!) and driver side lumbar adjustment. The ZX3 also has sport buckets, while sedans and wagons have "low back".
As far as colors go, it looks like ZX5 is only available with Medium Graphite or Medium Parchment interior. The Dark Charcoal is not available, this follows the scheme set up for the other top modes, ZTS sedan, and SE/ZTW wagon, which the ZX5 is equipped and priced equivalent too.
the colors: Liquid Grey Infra Red Grabber Green Sangria Red Malibu Blue Twilight Blue CD Silver Pitch Black Cloud 9
Note: Liquid grey, Malibu, and CD silver only available with Medium Graphite Interior. All others available in both.
Now, the sheet lists Egg Yolk yellow as a ZX3/ZX5 color, but only available in Dark Charcoal. So I guess it is out for the ZX5. Its a bit confusing. In case y'all were curious, JAckpot gold has been dropped (replaced by liquid grey) and Light Sapphire has been changed to French Blue. Grabber Green replaces rainforest Green on all models.
ZX5 order code is P37/600a
Any further questions on any Foci, I have it here on my desk.
So, just what does the "Grabber Green" look like? Is it like the bright green on the Mustang or a lighter version of Rainforest Green. Inquiring minds want to know!
I didn't see color tiles. The dealer only had these Xeroxs. He hasn't even seen the Malibu blue, he has only been there 3 months.
So, someone else posted a website www.grabbergreens.com which has pictures of the 1970 Mustang. It looks minty fresh. A little lighter than rainforest.
Last Thursday I test drove these two. The Honda was a complete disappointment. Where was the verve that previous Civics had offered? This car is proof that Honda and Toyota have gone soft.
Now the Elantra was quite a surprise. It was very roomy, drove nicely, and had a nice price. I like the blue on red guages a lot too. It had the same score on my test drive score sheet as the Protege5, but easily a couple of thousand cheaper. The Focus still scored highest, and still has stolen my heart, but y'all were correct, the Elantra wasn't bad. Hyundai has come a long long way from previous ones I had been in. The steering was a bit light though, not as diret as the Focus.
How many people out there have ordered a ZX5? I count 3. I know what I liked, what would make others wait 2 months rather than taking a 2001 ZX3 (which are heavily discounted.)?
I have 6,100 miles on my silver GT. The car is great. Solid and quiet ride, good fuel economy...getting around 33 on the highway pushing 80 mphs. The thing I like the most is the comfortable driving position. I thought Focus was the best in its class along with the VWs until I drove the GT. The seat adjusters and lumbar support work well with the tilt wheel and excellent leg room. I like the telescoping wheel on the Focus but wish it would pull out more. Good luck with your choice.
I love the far and away European position of the Focus steering wheel. I have a Saturn and the wheel is way to close, it is very uncomfortable for me. I always like Saabs and Alfas with the arms out driving position. That is on ething that attracted me most to the focus. The upright seating is just like and old 900, which I love.
Is this list about to be archived? Or is everyone on vacation? Are lists here "done" in months ?
Congratulations on your ZX5 order! Out of curiousity, how long did the dealer say it would take? Mine mentioned sometime around September 20th, but I'm thinking he picked a date at random (I'm not holding my breath, but will be pleasantly surprised [read: ecstatic] if it does come in on, around or before that date).
I chose the ZX5 over the ZX3 basically for the two extra doors! I think it looks cuter, too, and all the "standard" equipment is a real turn-on, as well. It's worth waiting to get what I want. It also seems to be more "luxurious" than the ZX3 for some reason. And the new "grabber green" color (which I ordered) also makes me crazy with excitement.
I saw the ZX5 and the ZX3 side-by-side at the Focus-sponsored Area: One Festival last month, and two days later I was in the dealership with my deposit check. I had been planning on getting a ZX5 anyway, but seeing it up close like that made my heart beat out of my chest. I *love* this car and have spent many a night (and day) dreaming about it (this is my first new car).
Where are you located? I'm in the SF Bay Area, California.
The lease on my car is running out in September, so this year I have been test driven lots of cars with these qulaifications:
4 doors Hatch/wagon 15000-20000 Fun to Drive
What else matches. Focus scored the highest on my 100 point scoresheet in everything. it put a smile on my face within 5 seconds of driving it. Everything fit "right". I like the way the four door hatch looks then than the 3. The fact that Ford doesn't plan on people liking, a body style Americans hate, and the Euro flavor earned my vote. Lets tell Ford that Young People don't want overstuffed Crown Vics. ( I am 27). I live in PA just outside of Philadelphia, orginally from NJ. (yuck)
The dealer told me 8-12 weeks from order, which was AUG 20. So mid October is the earliest to expect.
Yeah, I'm expecting to wait a bit longer than anticipated for delivery as well. I'm glad I ordered one now (or five weeks ago) instead of waiting for them to come out and then order one and have to wait even longer, though. I want it hot off the line! Anyway, in order to curb my impatient hunger for new information about this car, I've been frequenting ford.co.uk and building my car there, so I can lust over it and pretend it's actually mine, and that it's not going to be another six weeks plus. Ford is being very chintzy with their 2002 release information! If anybody has any "dates" or has heard anything, please share!
Go to http://www.wieck.com/public/index.html for some more pics of the ZX5 (inside and out [just enter ZX5 into the search box]). They have a picture of a green ZX5 that I take to be the new grabber green color, but it looks exactly like rainforest green! What gives?
I also thought it looks like rainforest. Now, that website has two links worth seeing for ZX5 fans - the Ford new for 2002 which list updates on the Focus, and ZX5 link. Inside the ZX% link you can enlarge the pictures Holly mentioned at her link, and see the neat map pockets up close. It looks like it has the neat shift knob from the ZX3/ZTS. I was worrying it would have the cheaper one form the LX.
Also I have been looking into afttermarket parts (shheesh, I havent even gotten it yet!)
Anyone use any of these aftermarket parts. ( I guess wwe are still waiting for our Foci.) I wonder if someone makes replacement panels for the interior - I think I would like a blue panel for the center dash insert rather than the brushed aluminum (to match the Malibu Blue.) Any ideas.
I guess we all have the same sickness, no car, just dreams!
I haven't visited town-hall in a while, and since then I've driven a few cars in an attempt to find a less exprnsive alternative to the VW Golf. I have drove a Pro5 and an ElantraGT, liked them both, although the GT had a rattle somewhere in the back. But on a business trip, I drove a Focus SE sedan with an automatic (which I usually hate). I was very impressed with the Focus, it just felt really good. I kept saying to myself "If only I had a 5 speed!!" I loved the steering, the handling, the ergonomics, a truly great package. Now, the ZX5 is here. I need some help though, I saw and article a car mag that said Advance Trac on the ZX3 came with 4 wheel disk brakes. Is this true? Because the rear drum brakes are the only hang up I had with the car I rented. Also, is it true that you can't get one with a black interior? Silver looks so awesome with a black interior. Any insite will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. J
Welcome to the list. I have a ZX5 on Order. Malibu Blue with Medium Graphite interior. I ordered the 5-speed. (I told them if it shows up with an automatic, I won't take it!) I loved the Focus ZX3 I drove. Have you tried the stick, it shifts like pure joy. The Focus hatches are bigger inside than the VW. With the rear seat folded down, it has 18.6 feet of cargo compared to 17. It looks bigger too. I think the Focus is more fun to drive. All the standard stuff VW has added has made the current lineup heavier than they used to be. i have driven every generation of VW Rabbit/Golf/jetta, and this generation is the least fun to drive! Most expensive too. I guess you pay for all those ads I see during the Simpsons.
The Focus does not come standard with rear disc brakes. You get them only with the $1200 ABS/Advance track setup. Now, I ordered mine with regular ABS. Most front drive cars do the majority of their braking at the front. When Car and Driver tested a Focus ZTS w/ABS (About June 2000) the car stopped from 70 mph in 178 ft. Best in a 12 car comparo. They said it has "excellent" control. that compares with an Audi A4. In July of 2001 Car and Driver tested a ZX3 w Advance track and it stopped in 182 ft, one foot more than a Neon R/T. Either way, you are way safer than an Explorer at 225 ft ! If you must have rear discs, Focussport.com is said to be working on a replacment. From what I can tell, the Focus has excellent braking either way.
As far as interiors go, I got a full copy of the 2002 lineup as of May 2001 from the Ford dealer when I ordered my ZX5. It looks as thought the ZX5 is only available in medium Graphite and Parchment (beige) interiors. This is consistent with the other "Z" top models of the Focus lineup the ZX5 is equipped like, ZTS sedan, and ZTW wagon. These two are also only showing silver and parchment for interiors. I wanted the dark charcaol interior, but the graphite is all that came with Malibu Blue, which is the color I "HAD" to have. I don't know how accurate this data from Ford is. I have seen at several lots sedans and wagons in Malibu blue that arrived about May 2001, however the website, brochure, and color sheet for 2002 only lists this color for the hatches. Meanwhile, another regular here, Holly McButter ordered hers in Grabber Green, but the first photos of the Zx5 to come out (available at wieck.com) show it in Rainforest green. I surmise Ford has no clue what the colors are. I am just glad they made this car just when I needed it!
The Zx3 is available supposedly with only the Dark charcoal or Medium Graphite interiors. I think that on the ZX3 the CD Silver and Liquid Grey are only in Charcoal interior, and Parchment only with the ZX5. I can check this more for you.
Thanks for all the info. I saw the picture of the rainforest green ZX5 you were talking about.....pretty cool.....but being from Tucson, a light blue or silver are the colors I'm interested in. And I'd definitely pay the extra dough for a stability/traction system that comes with 4 wheel disc. ABS on my 96 Neon Sport Coupe has saved my neck more than once. Did the Ford people tell you when the ZX5's are expected on dealer lots? John
How much more room does the ZTW have? Can you fit a bicycle with the front wheel on in the back of a ZX5 with the rear seats down? It seems doable in the wagon.
John, The CD silver on ZX5 comes with Graphite only for the interior. Can you dig it? Too much grey for me, but then again we don't have the sun like you do! The dealer said expect 8-12 weeks for delivery, so that was August 20. I expect the car between October 15-Nov 15. I can't wait to get rid of this temporary yank tank Bonneville I am driving. I called the Ford hotline way back in July, and this very nice lady said that the ZX5 was sceduled to begin production Monday August 27. Wouldnt some of them have arrived at dealers about now? I also told her to commend Ford for taking a chance and introducing the 4 door hatch. So nice of Ford to offer an inexpensive Euro style car!
Hey, did anyone else who test drove the Protege5 think there was an excessive amount of vibration being transmitted through the shifter? I couldn't believe it, my old Saturn was more isolated from the engine. I had read that the Protege was super refined, maybe it was a bad example.
In Canada that is. It's the color I really want but Ford Canada said only liquid grey is available and CD silver may be available for 2003. I don't really care for the liquid grey, so I'm deciding between white, black, or the new grabber green. Otherwise, I could wait till 2003.
Hey guys...I finally broke down and phoned up my dealership on Tuesday to ask if they knew delivery dates, etc. The guy told me he hadn't heard anything, BUT he figured it would be in the next day, or the end of this week at the latest. He went on to say that a Ranger that had been ordered at the same time came in that same day, so that's what he was basing it on. Somehow, I had a hard time believing him, and I have yet to hear back from him. I'm not expecting it anytime soon. I had my hopes, though! I found some information somewhere (I can't find it now) that said ZX5 and ZX3s weren't scheduled to begin production until 09/10, and then I read on another site that they had been delayed two weeks, but I don't know how reliable this info is. I know some 2002 Foci (SE, Wagons) are on dealer lots now, so who knows?
Also, at http://www.ford.ca/ you can build a new 2002 Focus, and they seem to have the "proper" grabber green color (which I seem to be obsessed with) - at least it's not quite the same as rainforest green and varies from the wieck.com photos. Check it out! Ford US is refusing to update their website with 2002 info, so I had to go to Canada's!
So, it look likes the grabber greeen is like the old Mustangs, nice choice! I have to ask, because it had been on my mind. This could get ugly, but I am curious. Why CD silver?
That is my least favorite color for this car. I think it is fine for the sedan or wagon, but I think the more sporty hatchbacks look best in the exotic colors: Grabber Green, Egg Yolk yellow, Malibu Blue, Liquid Grey, Sangria red.
I think I would have been more exicted about the ZX5 at the New York auto show had it not been in the silver. Please help me understand the appeal. I couldn't believe that Canadian ZX5s wouldn't have the silver, but this website tells the tale. Odd huh?
I just found something out others may or may not be aware of. The ZX5 is the same 168 inches long as the ZX3, which is less than the 174 of the sedan and the 178 of the wagon. So my thoughts of having wagon like cargo capacity in the hatch version just got dented a bit.
My Aunt says she saw an ad for the ZX5 on TV last week. Anyone else? She said they were showing how much stuff they could shove in the back of it.
I never see an ad for the Focus anyway. I must not be in the "Focus" group. I see VW, Subaru, Hyundai, and Toyota and awful lot. I think Toyota must be a bit otimistic to win my business!
I have yet to see any ZX5 commercials, either! I guess they figure they don't have to bother with us since we've already got our orders in (nice pun, too, Marc)! I wonder if they'll actually hit the dealerships soon... Heard anything? I still want to see the commercial, though!
If you all haven't seen it yet, check out ford's website...it's in work, but if you click on brochures for the 2002 focus you can download a brochure in PDF format. The good news (for me) in the brochure is that all models are available with dark charcoal interior, and according to the brochure I downloaded you can get one in eggyolk yellow as well!! What a hard decision.....silver or yellow with a black interior.....or maybe red....:-) John
There they were, hidden behind some Mustangs, a handful of 2002 Foci. Wagons and Sedans only. There was one ZTW in the French Blue, which is just gorgeous. It would be my second choice, if it was available on the hatches. Also, there was one LX sedan (no hubcaps) in Grabber Green. It looks just a bit lighter in shade than the Rainforest, just like a green color I have seen some recent Mustangs running about in. I don't think this base sedan was complimentary to the color, I think it will look great on the Hatch. I didn't saty long at all, as this was the dealer that I test drove the Focus twice at but didn't buy. I was hoping they would be closed yesterday. A second Ford dealer turned up nothing that appeared new (all of thier Foci were black and silver. )
Since you asked John, I would of course go with the Red or the Yellow. The world doesn't need another Silver car. But you probably knew that would be my opinion on it.
I'm really leaning towards yellow with a black interior.....I've seen a couple of ZX3s in yellow and really liked the color, didn't like the black rub strips very much though....according to the brochure, the ZX5 has body color rub strips, so I think it would look really sharp. I've always thought yellow was a great color on certain cars...in the early 90s it was preludes/corrado's that I remember seeing in yellow....the Pro5 looks really good as well....I just don't like pale yellows, two examples come to mind: the VW New Beetle and the limited color on the WRX sedan...both look too much like urine to me....haha.....anyhow, I'm pretty stoked, trying to convince my wife that now's a great time to buy with the interest rates and what not.....guess we'll see. If I don't get yellow, I'll probably go for red (again). Marc, have you seen any models with advance trac? I've looked all over the net, and I can't find anything in writting that states that rear disk brakes come with advance trac. I really want to know, because they offer an ABS package or an abs/advance trac package, and I'll save a little $ if I can get the rear disks with just the ABS. If you've seen any articles on the net or know who I can call at ford to find out I'd appreciate it. When are you getting your car? J
I need some advice regarding customer cash allowance... I went to a Ford dealership today and got to agree on (a 2002 Ford ZX5 to be ordered in black plus all options available) an invoice price plus $500. After they added ($139 for auto theft deterrent, $115 for DMV fees, $249 for Messenger fees/processing fees) their usual fees plus sales tax less $500 customer cash allowance, I balked about the unreasonable messenger fees and told them I could do the legwork to go to DMV. With the sales supervisor coming into the negotiations(he offered an insulting " I will give you a couple of free car washes"), I got to agree on invoice plus $300 anyway. I didn't leave them any downpayment or deposit because I'm coming back with my spouse afterwork - about three hours, and the supervisor will still be there when I get back plus I'm paying in cash/own financing from a 15.95% APR lender(sucking it up for discharged bankruptcy and no history afterwards). Three hours later, a new set of salesmen and supervisors are on hand but they honored the earlier negotiations. Except, the $500 customer cash allowance. First, citing we already got it built in the (low?) invoice plus $300 deal. I rejected that argument. Salespeople discussions. Second, citing the cash allowance goes to the dealer because it doesn't apply to us since the car is not in the lot yet and has to be ordered. I rejected that argument. I told the salesperson that maybe I should just go back during the day to deal with the original saleslady and her supervisor. And also (in heat of argument) threatened to report them to consumer affairs and mother FORD Company. Am I wrong? What am I to do next? HELP...
Joy, I would pick another dealer, for sure. SOunds like they are giving you the NJ runaround. As a former NJ resident, I can tell you I am not surprised at the meanness. There have to be more dealers in your area. I went to three of them until I found one that was easy to deal with, and could get my car ordered at a reasonable price. It was $16700 before taxes with 5 speed, moonroof, ABS (no advance track), and side airbags (in case my passengers hurl from taking turns to quick!) With taxes, destination, title, and licsence, it came to 17800. They said if a transfer a plate, I save $100. I don't know what that other junk they gave you was. I havent done the financing yet, but they ran a credit check and it went fine.
YELLOW, YELLOW, YELLOW - for sure. I love the way it looks on the Ford website. How many other people will you see with a yellow five door hatch in America? That will stand out for sure from the silver Camrys. OK, I have problems with boring cars and colors. I had to have blue, I have had three cars, and not one has been blue, which is my favorite color. Two have been red, and I really dislike red. I saw the info on advance track in Car and Driver when they tested a yellow zx3 and loved it. I can't find anything else at the moment. I remember seeing it somewhere though.
I wonder why they only have four colors for the sedan and wagon. When I got my basic stripper Saturn SL 3 years ago I only had four colors to select from. I would expect on the LX, but not ZTS/ZTW. Aren't we lucky, 10 colors to choose!
I think the sedans are available in about 9 to 10 different colors. I don't think you can get them in yellow, but I could be wrong. But there is certainly more than 4 colors available for the sedan.
Saves the dealer money. They don't have to take a loan out to keep the car on the lot. See "dealer holdback" . Edmunds has information on it. However, they know you want it bad if you are ordering it, so they try to turn the tables the other way. I ordered mine at a dealer about 20 miles from my home. There are four that are much closer. I am sure the cars will be available in more colors, that is all the 2002 Ford website is showing, which can't be right.
My closest dealer still has one in Yellow and Malibu Blue. I think they "tested" these colors this spring on the sedans and wagons. I take it it didn't go well.
Th tremendouly reliable Ford website is now listing the ZX5 as having standard leather. I would really prefer my car not have leather. Anyone else have any details?
Oh yeah, John, please don't get a yellow ZX5 on my account. Though I may ideally like to see more yellows, the red is probably better for the long haul. I mean, you could buy yellow on whim, and get sick of it in two years, and get all upset at some nutjob online who voiced his opinion rather loudly. Not that you would incidentally listen to me 100%, but the interrnet exists so everyones opinion can be aired, and I was feeling mine has been exceptionally outspoken on the color issue. You have to see it every day. Ask me for an opinion...
Guess what? The dealership I ordered my ZX5 from now says that NONE have even been built (message supposedly straight from Ford) and the dealership won't be getting any in until November or December! I wish someone knew what they were talking about! Or at least tell me what I want to hear.
Hmmm...I don't think the ZX5 comes with standard leather - maybe leather trim, but I'm pretty sure leather is just an option...at least it better be, because I don't want it either!
113HP and 0-60 in 10.8 seconds. These are the performance numbers for the TDCi Focus. The new 1.8-liter Ford Duratorq Turbo Diesel Common-rail injection (TDCi) is the Focus that I want in North America. It is offered in Europe and if I could get it in the US in a ZX5 I would buy two of them. No it would not satisfy those who want SVT type performance, but it would make me happy. Anyone else want a car that has abundant torque at low RPM and gets 44MPG?
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I have a QTVR ZX5 on my web site / webpage
http://home.att.net/~biker16/Focus/ZX5.html
Anyway, I'm looking very forward to my new "Grabber Green" ZX5! (I also used the X-Plan, so it is eligible.)
Now what does the "Grabber Green" look like? My girlfriend and I suspect it is like the Myst Green we saw on a 2000 VW Golf GTI VR6 a couple of weeks ago. I like the Malibu Blue the most. Someone around the corner from me just brought home a ZX3 in Malibu, and I keep drooling. (they got an autotragic, missing out on one of the best parts of the Focus, I think)
Thanks for the offer about the Elantra GT. I am vegetarian, so I would steer clear of a car with standard leather. I may test drive it anyway just for kicks! It doesn't have nearly the pizazz of the ZX5. Nothing looks close to this car. There is nothing on the road that looks like a ZX3 from behind.
Marc
price out the car with the options you want.
use
the order guide below to find all of the model codes and match the option codes to options you selected at edmunds.
the ZX5 model code is
P37/7600A
http://downsford.com/order_guides/2002Focus.PDF
ZX5 is on page 7of 12.
good luck.
Maybe you can just email all the dealers in your area directly with the options you want and have them send you a quote (maybe a problem since half of them won't know what you're talking about) - that's how I ordered mine. It was supereasy and hassle-free.
As for Grabber Green, I'm not sure what it looks like exactly either. It used to be on the original Mustangs (www.grabbergreens.com), but every picture I've seen is a different shade of green, yet all called grabber green. But it's some form of green so I had to get it. I agree, Malibu Blue is nice, too!
Good luck on your quest for the ZX5!
I did find a Fordtraining site that mentioned the order code as PL37. I clicked into the site it recommneded for pricing www.fdealer.com but got nothing. It needs a password. Any ideas for breaking it?
Is the ZX5 going to have the same nice front seats as the ZX3 or the crappy flat buckets from the Sedan and Wagon Models? Should I save up for some recaros?
By holding back these world-class engines from the Focus, Ford is NEGLECTING compact car market in North America. In 2001 Honda introduced the new Civic with all new high efficiency engines with 39 mpg Hwy and 0-60 in 9 sec. In 2000 Toyota installed a new 1.8L engine in the Corolla that makes 41 mpg Hwy and goes 0-60 in 8.8 sec. The 2002 Focus the Focus will continue to use the base SPI and the optional Zetec E. The SPI engine dates back to the Escorts of the mid 80s and the Zetec E was designed in the late 80s and its engine block is even derived from SPI's engine block. These engines are hardly competitive, the SPI has good economy but it is slow (0-60 >10 sec) the Zetec E is quicker but has poor economy compared to the competition (34 mpg Hwy) and still slower than the Corolla. The engines are noisy, coarse, and rough, they are average engines in an above average car.
It is amazing that Ford will wait 2 years or more to replace the current engines when they have been building the all-new Duratec HE engine in Mexico for over a year now. Ford has even stated in press releases that they will replace the Zetec and SPI, with the Duratec HE. While they are waiting, the competition is giving the consumer cars with better performance, economy, and refinement and Focus sales will suffer. Sales are already down 28.6% in July and 11.7% for the year. Ford is FAILING to keep the Focus the best in its class and the engines are the problem.
Duratec HE engines are the Fix.
1.8l Duratec HE
125 hp @ 6000 rpm
125lb/ft @ 4800 rpm
41-mpg Hwy.
2.0l Duratec HE
145 Hp @ 6000 Rpm
140 lb/ft @ 4800 rpm
40-mpg hwy.
Economy numbers from the Mondeo
More info @ ]http://home.att.net/~biker16/Duratec_HE.html
Quote from Prof. Dr. Rudolf Menne, the Duratec HE engineering director.
"The new Duratec HE engine is the cornerstone of our long- term petrol engine strategy, and it is the result of an intensive process to develop a new range of powertrains that are absolutely on the technological edge"
Duratec HE engines represent a considerable step forward in terms of refinement and NVH reduction, and the result is smooth, quiet operation even during spirited driving.
These engines are exceptional; they should be in the Focus now. Ford is making a grave mistake in thinking the Focus can compete without these engines.
Without these engines Ford's world Class Compact will quickly become a mediocre Econobox.
Sincerely,
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Anyway, he gave me a copy of the complete lineup of standard and optional equipment for the 2002 Focus line!
The ZX5 seems to have some very special seats. They are listed as Sport Buckets with dual map pockets and kangaroo pouches (!) and driver side lumbar adjustment. The ZX3 also has sport buckets, while sedans and wagons have "low back".
As far as colors go, it looks like ZX5 is only available with Medium Graphite or Medium Parchment interior. The Dark Charcoal is not available, this follows the scheme set up for the other top modes, ZTS sedan, and SE/ZTW wagon, which the ZX5 is equipped and priced equivalent too.
the colors:
Liquid Grey
Infra Red
Grabber Green
Sangria Red
Malibu Blue
Twilight Blue
CD Silver
Pitch Black
Cloud 9
Note: Liquid grey, Malibu, and CD silver only available with Medium Graphite Interior. All others available in both.
Now, the sheet lists Egg Yolk yellow as a ZX3/ZX5 color, but only available in Dark Charcoal. So I guess it is out for the ZX5. Its a bit confusing. In case y'all were curious, JAckpot gold has been dropped (replaced by liquid grey) and Light Sapphire has been changed to French Blue. Grabber Green replaces rainforest Green on all models.
ZX5 order code is P37/600a
Any further questions on any Foci, I have it here on my desk.
Marc
So, just what does the "Grabber Green" look like? Is it like the bright green on the Mustang or a lighter version of Rainforest Green. Inquiring minds want to know!
So, someone else posted a website www.grabbergreens.com which has pictures of the 1970 Mustang. It looks minty fresh. A little lighter than rainforest.
I thought the Jackpot gold was real 70's!
Now the Elantra was quite a surprise. It was very roomy, drove nicely, and had a nice price. I like the blue on red guages a lot too. It had the same score on my test drive score sheet as the Protege5, but easily a couple of thousand cheaper.
The Focus still scored highest, and still has stolen my heart, but y'all were correct, the Elantra wasn't bad. Hyundai has come a long long way from previous ones I had been in. The steering was a bit light though, not as diret as the Focus.
How many people out there have ordered a ZX5? I count 3. I know what I liked, what would make others wait 2 months rather than taking a 2001 ZX3 (which are heavily discounted.)?
Marc
Is this list about to be archived? Or is everyone on vacation? Are lists here "done" in months ?
Congratulations on your ZX5 order! Out of curiousity, how long did the dealer say it would take? Mine mentioned sometime around September 20th, but I'm thinking he picked a date at random (I'm not holding my breath, but will be pleasantly surprised [read: ecstatic] if it does come in on, around or before that date).
I chose the ZX5 over the ZX3 basically for the two extra doors! I think it looks cuter, too, and all the "standard" equipment is a real turn-on, as well. It's worth waiting to get what I want. It also seems to be more "luxurious" than the ZX3 for some reason. And the new "grabber green" color (which I ordered) also makes me crazy with excitement.
I saw the ZX5 and the ZX3 side-by-side at the Focus-sponsored Area: One Festival last month, and two days later I was in the dealership with my deposit check. I had been planning on getting a ZX5 anyway, but seeing it up close like that made my heart beat out of my chest. I *love* this car and have spent many a night (and day) dreaming about it (this is my first new car).
Where are you located? I'm in the SF Bay Area, California.
4 doors
Hatch/wagon
15000-20000
Fun to Drive
What else matches. Focus scored the highest on my 100 point scoresheet in everything. it put a smile on my face within 5 seconds of driving it. Everything fit "right". I like the way the four door hatch looks then than the 3. The fact that Ford doesn't plan on people liking, a body style Americans hate, and the Euro flavor earned my vote. Lets tell Ford that Young People don't want overstuffed Crown Vics. ( I am 27). I live in PA just outside of Philadelphia, orginally from NJ. (yuck)
The dealer told me 8-12 weeks from order, which was AUG 20. So mid October is the earliest to expect.
I also thought it looks like rainforest. Now, that website has two links worth seeing for ZX5 fans - the Ford new for 2002 which list updates on the Focus, and ZX5 link. Inside the ZX% link you can enlarge the pictures Holly mentioned at her link, and see the neat map pockets up close. It looks like it has the neat shift knob from the ZX3/ZTS. I was worrying it would have the cheaper one form the LX.
Also I have been looking into afttermarket parts (shheesh, I havent even gotten it yet!)
these sites were neat
www.focussport.com
www.kustomz.com
www.focusperformance.com
Anyone use any of these aftermarket parts. ( I guess wwe are still waiting for our Foci.) I wonder if someone makes replacement panels for the interior - I think I would like a blue panel for the center dash insert rather than the brushed aluminum (to match the Malibu Blue.) Any ideas.
I guess we all have the same sickness, no car, just dreams!
Marc
J
The Focus does not come standard with rear disc brakes. You get them only with the $1200 ABS/Advance track setup. Now, I ordered mine with regular ABS. Most front drive cars do the majority of their braking at the front. When Car and Driver tested a Focus ZTS w/ABS (About June 2000) the car stopped from 70 mph in 178 ft. Best in a 12 car comparo. They said it has "excellent" control. that compares with an Audi A4. In July of 2001 Car and Driver tested a ZX3 w Advance track and it stopped in 182 ft, one foot more than a Neon R/T. Either way, you are way safer than an Explorer at 225 ft ! If you must have rear discs, Focussport.com is said to be working on a replacment. From what I can tell, the Focus has excellent braking either way.
As far as interiors go, I got a full copy of the 2002 lineup as of May 2001 from the Ford dealer when I ordered my ZX5. It looks as thought the ZX5 is only available in medium Graphite and Parchment (beige) interiors. This is consistent with the other "Z" top models of the Focus lineup the ZX5 is equipped like, ZTS sedan, and ZTW wagon. These two are also only showing silver and parchment for interiors. I wanted the dark charcaol interior, but the graphite is all that came with Malibu Blue, which is the color I "HAD" to have. I don't know how accurate this data from Ford is. I have seen at several lots sedans and wagons in Malibu blue that arrived about May 2001, however the website, brochure, and color sheet for 2002 only lists this color for the hatches. Meanwhile, another regular here, Holly McButter ordered hers in Grabber Green, but the first photos of the Zx5 to come out (available at wieck.com) show it in Rainforest green. I surmise Ford has no clue what the colors are. I am just glad they made this car just when I needed it!
Hope that helps.
Marc
Marc
John
The CD silver on ZX5 comes with Graphite only for the interior. Can you dig it? Too much grey for me, but then again we don't have the sun like you do!
The dealer said expect 8-12 weeks for delivery, so that was August 20. I expect the car between October 15-Nov 15. I can't wait to get rid of this temporary yank tank Bonneville I am driving.
I called the Ford hotline way back in July, and this very nice lady said that the ZX5 was sceduled to begin production Monday August 27. Wouldnt some of them have arrived at dealers about now? I also told her to commend Ford for taking a chance and introducing the 4 door hatch. So nice of Ford to offer an inexpensive Euro style car!
Hey, did anyone else who test drove the Protege5 think there was an excessive amount of vibration being transmitted through the shifter? I couldn't believe it, my old Saturn was more isolated from the engine. I had read that the Protege was super refined, maybe it was a bad example.
Marc
Also, at http://www.ford.ca/ you can build a new 2002 Focus, and they seem to have the "proper" grabber green color (which I seem to be obsessed with) - at least it's not quite the same as rainforest green and varies from the wieck.com photos. Check it out! Ford US is refusing to update their website with 2002 info, so I had to go to Canada's!
That is my least favorite color for this car. I think it is fine for the sedan or wagon, but I think the more sporty hatchbacks look best in the exotic colors: Grabber Green, Egg Yolk yellow, Malibu Blue, Liquid Grey, Sangria red.
I think I would have been more exicted about the ZX5 at the New York auto show had it not been in the silver. Please help me understand the appeal. I couldn't believe that Canadian ZX5s wouldn't have the silver, but this website tells the tale. Odd huh?
Marc
What are "French Labels"?
Marc
I never see an ad for the Focus anyway. I must not be in the "Focus" group. I see VW, Subaru, Hyundai, and Toyota and awful lot. I think Toyota must be a bit otimistic to win my business!
John
Since you asked John, I would of course go with the Red or the Yellow. The world doesn't need another Silver car. But you probably knew that would be my opinion on it.
Marc
J
I went to a Ford dealership today and got to agree on (a 2002 Ford ZX5 to be ordered in black plus all options available) an invoice price plus $500. After they added ($139 for auto theft deterrent, $115 for DMV fees, $249 for Messenger fees/processing fees) their usual fees plus sales tax less $500 customer cash allowance, I balked about the unreasonable messenger fees and told them I could do the legwork to go to DMV. With the sales supervisor coming into the negotiations(he offered an insulting " I will give you a couple of free car washes"), I got to agree on invoice plus $300 anyway. I didn't leave them any downpayment or deposit because I'm coming back with my spouse afterwork - about three hours, and the supervisor will still be there when I get back plus I'm paying in cash/own financing from a 15.95% APR lender(sucking it up for discharged bankruptcy and no history afterwards). Three hours later, a new set of salesmen and supervisors are on hand but they honored the earlier negotiations. Except, the $500 customer cash allowance. First, citing we already got it built in the (low?) invoice plus $300 deal. I rejected that argument. Salespeople discussions. Second, citing the cash allowance goes to the dealer because it doesn't apply to us since the car is not in the lot yet and has to be ordered. I rejected that argument. I told the salesperson that maybe I should just go back during the day to deal with the original saleslady and her supervisor. And also (in heat of argument) threatened to report them to consumer affairs and mother FORD Company.
Am I wrong? What am I to do next?
HELP...
I would pick another dealer, for sure. SOunds like they are giving you the NJ runaround. As a former NJ resident, I can tell you I am not surprised at the meanness. There have to be more dealers in your area. I went to three of them until I found one that was easy to deal with, and could get my car ordered at a reasonable price. It was $16700 before taxes with 5 speed, moonroof, ABS (no advance track), and side airbags (in case my passengers hurl from taking turns to quick!) With taxes, destination, title, and licsence, it came to 17800. They said if a transfer a plate, I save $100. I don't know what that other junk they gave you was. I havent done the financing yet, but they ran a credit check and it went fine.
YELLOW, YELLOW, YELLOW - for sure. I love the way it looks on the Ford website. How many other people will you see with a yellow five door hatch in America? That will stand out for sure from the silver Camrys. OK, I have problems with boring cars and colors. I had to have blue, I have had three cars, and not one has been blue, which is my favorite color. Two have been red, and I really dislike red.
I saw the info on advance track in Car and Driver when they tested a yellow zx3 and loved it. I can't find anything else at the moment. I remember seeing it somewhere though.
I wonder why they only have four colors for the sedan and wagon. When I got my basic stripper Saturn SL 3 years ago I only had four colors to select from. I would expect on the LX, but not ZTS/ZTW. Aren't we lucky, 10 colors to choose!
Marc
I am sure the cars will be available in more colors, that is all the 2002 Ford website is showing, which can't be right.
Marc
Marc
http://edmunds.yellowbrix.com/pages/edmunds/Story.nsp?story_id=24188177&ID=edmunds&scategory=Auto&
At least one exists. I wonder when we'll finally get ours!
Oh yeah, John, please don't get a yellow ZX5 on my account. Though I may ideally like to see more yellows, the red is probably better for the long haul. I mean, you could buy yellow on whim, and get sick of it in two years, and get all upset at some nutjob online who voiced his opinion rather loudly. Not that you would incidentally listen to me 100%, but the interrnet exists so everyones opinion can be aired, and I was feeling mine has been exceptionally outspoken on the color issue. You have to see it every day. Ask me for an opinion...
Marc
Hmmm...I don't think the ZX5 comes with standard leather - maybe leather trim, but I'm pretty sure leather is just an option...at least it better be, because I don't want it either!
Anyone else want a car that has abundant torque at low RPM and gets 44MPG?
Sign me up!