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I have a QTVR ZX5 on my web site / webpage
http://home.att.net/~biker16/Focus/ZX5.html
Anyway, I'm looking very forward to my new "Grabber Green" ZX5! (I also used the X-Plan, so it is eligible.)
Now what does the "Grabber Green" look like? My girlfriend and I suspect it is like the Myst Green we saw on a 2000 VW Golf GTI VR6 a couple of weeks ago. I like the Malibu Blue the most. Someone around the corner from me just brought home a ZX3 in Malibu, and I keep drooling. (they got an autotragic, missing out on one of the best parts of the Focus, I think)
Thanks for the offer about the Elantra GT. I am vegetarian, so I would steer clear of a car with standard leather. I may test drive it anyway just for kicks! It doesn't have nearly the pizazz of the ZX5. Nothing looks close to this car. There is nothing on the road that looks like a ZX3 from behind.
Marc
price out the car with the options you want.
use
the order guide below to find all of the model codes and match the option codes to options you selected at edmunds.
the ZX5 model code is
P37/7600A
http://downsford.com/order_guides/2002Focus.PDF
ZX5 is on page 7of 12.
good luck.
Maybe you can just email all the dealers in your area directly with the options you want and have them send you a quote (maybe a problem since half of them won't know what you're talking about) - that's how I ordered mine. It was supereasy and hassle-free.
As for Grabber Green, I'm not sure what it looks like exactly either. It used to be on the original Mustangs (www.grabbergreens.com), but every picture I've seen is a different shade of green, yet all called grabber green. But it's some form of green so I had to get it. I agree, Malibu Blue is nice, too!
Good luck on your quest for the ZX5!
I did find a Fordtraining site that mentioned the order code as PL37. I clicked into the site it recommneded for pricing www.fdealer.com but got nothing. It needs a password. Any ideas for breaking it?
Is the ZX5 going to have the same nice front seats as the ZX3 or the crappy flat buckets from the Sedan and Wagon Models? Should I save up for some recaros?
By holding back these world-class engines from the Focus, Ford is NEGLECTING compact car market in North America. In 2001 Honda introduced the new Civic with all new high efficiency engines with 39 mpg Hwy and 0-60 in 9 sec. In 2000 Toyota installed a new 1.8L engine in the Corolla that makes 41 mpg Hwy and goes 0-60 in 8.8 sec. The 2002 Focus the Focus will continue to use the base SPI and the optional Zetec E. The SPI engine dates back to the Escorts of the mid 80s and the Zetec E was designed in the late 80s and its engine block is even derived from SPI's engine block. These engines are hardly competitive, the SPI has good economy but it is slow (0-60 >10 sec) the Zetec E is quicker but has poor economy compared to the competition (34 mpg Hwy) and still slower than the Corolla. The engines are noisy, coarse, and rough, they are average engines in an above average car.
It is amazing that Ford will wait 2 years or more to replace the current engines when they have been building the all-new Duratec HE engine in Mexico for over a year now. Ford has even stated in press releases that they will replace the Zetec and SPI, with the Duratec HE. While they are waiting, the competition is giving the consumer cars with better performance, economy, and refinement and Focus sales will suffer. Sales are already down 28.6% in July and 11.7% for the year. Ford is FAILING to keep the Focus the best in its class and the engines are the problem.
Duratec HE engines are the Fix.
1.8l Duratec HE
125 hp @ 6000 rpm
125lb/ft @ 4800 rpm
41-mpg Hwy.
2.0l Duratec HE
145 Hp @ 6000 Rpm
140 lb/ft @ 4800 rpm
40-mpg hwy.
Economy numbers from the Mondeo
More info @ ]http://home.att.net/~biker16/Duratec_HE.html
Quote from Prof. Dr. Rudolf Menne, the Duratec HE engineering director.
"The new Duratec HE engine is the cornerstone of our long- term petrol engine strategy, and it is the result of an intensive process to develop a new range of powertrains that are absolutely on the technological edge"
Duratec HE engines represent a considerable step forward in terms of refinement and NVH reduction, and the result is smooth, quiet operation even during spirited driving.
These engines are exceptional; they should be in the Focus now. Ford is making a grave mistake in thinking the Focus can compete without these engines.
Without these engines Ford's world Class Compact will quickly become a mediocre Econobox.
Sincerely,
please Sign
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/duratec/petition.html
Anyway, he gave me a copy of the complete lineup of standard and optional equipment for the 2002 Focus line!
The ZX5 seems to have some very special seats. They are listed as Sport Buckets with dual map pockets and kangaroo pouches (!) and driver side lumbar adjustment. The ZX3 also has sport buckets, while sedans and wagons have "low back".
As far as colors go, it looks like ZX5 is only available with Medium Graphite or Medium Parchment interior. The Dark Charcoal is not available, this follows the scheme set up for the other top modes, ZTS sedan, and SE/ZTW wagon, which the ZX5 is equipped and priced equivalent too.
the colors:
Liquid Grey
Infra Red
Grabber Green
Sangria Red
Malibu Blue
Twilight Blue
CD Silver
Pitch Black
Cloud 9
Note: Liquid grey, Malibu, and CD silver only available with Medium Graphite Interior. All others available in both.
Now, the sheet lists Egg Yolk yellow as a ZX3/ZX5 color, but only available in Dark Charcoal. So I guess it is out for the ZX5. Its a bit confusing. In case y'all were curious, JAckpot gold has been dropped (replaced by liquid grey) and Light Sapphire has been changed to French Blue. Grabber Green replaces rainforest Green on all models.
ZX5 order code is P37/600a
Any further questions on any Foci, I have it here on my desk.
Marc
So, just what does the "Grabber Green" look like? Is it like the bright green on the Mustang or a lighter version of Rainforest Green. Inquiring minds want to know!
So, someone else posted a website www.grabbergreens.com which has pictures of the 1970 Mustang. It looks minty fresh. A little lighter than rainforest.
I thought the Jackpot gold was real 70's!
Now the Elantra was quite a surprise. It was very roomy, drove nicely, and had a nice price. I like the blue on red guages a lot too. It had the same score on my test drive score sheet as the Protege5, but easily a couple of thousand cheaper.
The Focus still scored highest, and still has stolen my heart, but y'all were correct, the Elantra wasn't bad. Hyundai has come a long long way from previous ones I had been in. The steering was a bit light though, not as diret as the Focus.
How many people out there have ordered a ZX5? I count 3. I know what I liked, what would make others wait 2 months rather than taking a 2001 ZX3 (which are heavily discounted.)?
Marc
Is this list about to be archived? Or is everyone on vacation? Are lists here "done" in months ?
Congratulations on your ZX5 order! Out of curiousity, how long did the dealer say it would take? Mine mentioned sometime around September 20th, but I'm thinking he picked a date at random (I'm not holding my breath, but will be pleasantly surprised [read: ecstatic] if it does come in on, around or before that date).
I chose the ZX5 over the ZX3 basically for the two extra doors! I think it looks cuter, too, and all the "standard" equipment is a real turn-on, as well. It's worth waiting to get what I want. It also seems to be more "luxurious" than the ZX3 for some reason. And the new "grabber green" color (which I ordered) also makes me crazy with excitement.
I saw the ZX5 and the ZX3 side-by-side at the Focus-sponsored Area: One Festival last month, and two days later I was in the dealership with my deposit check. I had been planning on getting a ZX5 anyway, but seeing it up close like that made my heart beat out of my chest. I *love* this car and have spent many a night (and day) dreaming about it (this is my first new car).
Where are you located? I'm in the SF Bay Area, California.
4 doors
Hatch/wagon
15000-20000
Fun to Drive
What else matches. Focus scored the highest on my 100 point scoresheet in everything. it put a smile on my face within 5 seconds of driving it. Everything fit "right". I like the way the four door hatch looks then than the 3. The fact that Ford doesn't plan on people liking, a body style Americans hate, and the Euro flavor earned my vote. Lets tell Ford that Young People don't want overstuffed Crown Vics. ( I am 27). I live in PA just outside of Philadelphia, orginally from NJ. (yuck)
The dealer told me 8-12 weeks from order, which was AUG 20. So mid October is the earliest to expect.
I also thought it looks like rainforest. Now, that website has two links worth seeing for ZX5 fans - the Ford new for 2002 which list updates on the Focus, and ZX5 link. Inside the ZX% link you can enlarge the pictures Holly mentioned at her link, and see the neat map pockets up close. It looks like it has the neat shift knob from the ZX3/ZTS. I was worrying it would have the cheaper one form the LX.
Also I have been looking into afttermarket parts (shheesh, I havent even gotten it yet!)
these sites were neat
www.focussport.com
www.kustomz.com
www.focusperformance.com
Anyone use any of these aftermarket parts. ( I guess wwe are still waiting for our Foci.) I wonder if someone makes replacement panels for the interior - I think I would like a blue panel for the center dash insert rather than the brushed aluminum (to match the Malibu Blue.) Any ideas.
I guess we all have the same sickness, no car, just dreams!
Marc
J
The Focus does not come standard with rear disc brakes. You get them only with the $1200 ABS/Advance track setup. Now, I ordered mine with regular ABS. Most front drive cars do the majority of their braking at the front. When Car and Driver tested a Focus ZTS w/ABS (About June 2000) the car stopped from 70 mph in 178 ft. Best in a 12 car comparo. They said it has "excellent" control. that compares with an Audi A4. In July of 2001 Car and Driver tested a ZX3 w Advance track and it stopped in 182 ft, one foot more than a Neon R/T. Either way, you are way safer than an Explorer at 225 ft ! If you must have rear discs, Focussport.com is said to be working on a replacment. From what I can tell, the Focus has excellent braking either way.
As far as interiors go, I got a full copy of the 2002 lineup as of May 2001 from the Ford dealer when I ordered my ZX5. It looks as thought the ZX5 is only available in medium Graphite and Parchment (beige) interiors. This is consistent with the other "Z" top models of the Focus lineup the ZX5 is equipped like, ZTS sedan, and ZTW wagon. These two are also only showing silver and parchment for interiors. I wanted the dark charcaol interior, but the graphite is all that came with Malibu Blue, which is the color I "HAD" to have. I don't know how accurate this data from Ford is. I have seen at several lots sedans and wagons in Malibu blue that arrived about May 2001, however the website, brochure, and color sheet for 2002 only lists this color for the hatches. Meanwhile, another regular here, Holly McButter ordered hers in Grabber Green, but the first photos of the Zx5 to come out (available at wieck.com) show it in Rainforest green. I surmise Ford has no clue what the colors are. I am just glad they made this car just when I needed it!
Hope that helps.
Marc
Marc
John
The CD silver on ZX5 comes with Graphite only for the interior. Can you dig it? Too much grey for me, but then again we don't have the sun like you do!
The dealer said expect 8-12 weeks for delivery, so that was August 20. I expect the car between October 15-Nov 15. I can't wait to get rid of this temporary yank tank Bonneville I am driving.
I called the Ford hotline way back in July, and this very nice lady said that the ZX5 was sceduled to begin production Monday August 27. Wouldnt some of them have arrived at dealers about now? I also told her to commend Ford for taking a chance and introducing the 4 door hatch. So nice of Ford to offer an inexpensive Euro style car!
Hey, did anyone else who test drove the Protege5 think there was an excessive amount of vibration being transmitted through the shifter? I couldn't believe it, my old Saturn was more isolated from the engine. I had read that the Protege was super refined, maybe it was a bad example.
Marc
Also, at http://www.ford.ca/ you can build a new 2002 Focus, and they seem to have the "proper" grabber green color (which I seem to be obsessed with) - at least it's not quite the same as rainforest green and varies from the wieck.com photos. Check it out! Ford US is refusing to update their website with 2002 info, so I had to go to Canada's!
That is my least favorite color for this car. I think it is fine for the sedan or wagon, but I think the more sporty hatchbacks look best in the exotic colors: Grabber Green, Egg Yolk yellow, Malibu Blue, Liquid Grey, Sangria red.
I think I would have been more exicted about the ZX5 at the New York auto show had it not been in the silver. Please help me understand the appeal. I couldn't believe that Canadian ZX5s wouldn't have the silver, but this website tells the tale. Odd huh?
Marc
What are "French Labels"?
Marc
I never see an ad for the Focus anyway. I must not be in the "Focus" group. I see VW, Subaru, Hyundai, and Toyota and awful lot. I think Toyota must be a bit otimistic to win my business!
John
Since you asked John, I would of course go with the Red or the Yellow. The world doesn't need another Silver car. But you probably knew that would be my opinion on it.
Marc
J
I went to a Ford dealership today and got to agree on (a 2002 Ford ZX5 to be ordered in black plus all options available) an invoice price plus $500. After they added ($139 for auto theft deterrent, $115 for DMV fees, $249 for Messenger fees/processing fees) their usual fees plus sales tax less $500 customer cash allowance, I balked about the unreasonable messenger fees and told them I could do the legwork to go to DMV. With the sales supervisor coming into the negotiations(he offered an insulting " I will give you a couple of free car washes"), I got to agree on invoice plus $300 anyway. I didn't leave them any downpayment or deposit because I'm coming back with my spouse afterwork - about three hours, and the supervisor will still be there when I get back plus I'm paying in cash/own financing from a 15.95% APR lender(sucking it up for discharged bankruptcy and no history afterwards). Three hours later, a new set of salesmen and supervisors are on hand but they honored the earlier negotiations. Except, the $500 customer cash allowance. First, citing we already got it built in the (low?) invoice plus $300 deal. I rejected that argument. Salespeople discussions. Second, citing the cash allowance goes to the dealer because it doesn't apply to us since the car is not in the lot yet and has to be ordered. I rejected that argument. I told the salesperson that maybe I should just go back during the day to deal with the original saleslady and her supervisor. And also (in heat of argument) threatened to report them to consumer affairs and mother FORD Company.
Am I wrong? What am I to do next?
HELP...
I would pick another dealer, for sure. SOunds like they are giving you the NJ runaround. As a former NJ resident, I can tell you I am not surprised at the meanness. There have to be more dealers in your area. I went to three of them until I found one that was easy to deal with, and could get my car ordered at a reasonable price. It was $16700 before taxes with 5 speed, moonroof, ABS (no advance track), and side airbags (in case my passengers hurl from taking turns to quick!) With taxes, destination, title, and licsence, it came to 17800. They said if a transfer a plate, I save $100. I don't know what that other junk they gave you was. I havent done the financing yet, but they ran a credit check and it went fine.
YELLOW, YELLOW, YELLOW - for sure. I love the way it looks on the Ford website. How many other people will you see with a yellow five door hatch in America? That will stand out for sure from the silver Camrys. OK, I have problems with boring cars and colors. I had to have blue, I have had three cars, and not one has been blue, which is my favorite color. Two have been red, and I really dislike red.
I saw the info on advance track in Car and Driver when they tested a yellow zx3 and loved it. I can't find anything else at the moment. I remember seeing it somewhere though.
I wonder why they only have four colors for the sedan and wagon. When I got my basic stripper Saturn SL 3 years ago I only had four colors to select from. I would expect on the LX, but not ZTS/ZTW. Aren't we lucky, 10 colors to choose!
Marc
I am sure the cars will be available in more colors, that is all the 2002 Ford website is showing, which can't be right.
Marc
Marc
http://edmunds.yellowbrix.com/pages/edmunds/Story.nsp?story_id=24188177&ID=edmunds&scategory=Auto&
At least one exists. I wonder when we'll finally get ours!
Oh yeah, John, please don't get a yellow ZX5 on my account. Though I may ideally like to see more yellows, the red is probably better for the long haul. I mean, you could buy yellow on whim, and get sick of it in two years, and get all upset at some nutjob online who voiced his opinion rather loudly. Not that you would incidentally listen to me 100%, but the interrnet exists so everyones opinion can be aired, and I was feeling mine has been exceptionally outspoken on the color issue. You have to see it every day. Ask me for an opinion...
Marc
Hmmm...I don't think the ZX5 comes with standard leather - maybe leather trim, but I'm pretty sure leather is just an option...at least it better be, because I don't want it either!
Anyone else want a car that has abundant torque at low RPM and gets 44MPG?
Sign me up!