The Detroit News is reporting that the 2002 Ford Focus will come with a 5 year/100,000 mile powertrain warranty. I'm assuming it will still be 36K/3 year bumper to bumper.
Another great idea that lame brained American tastes aren't up for. Sign me up! I wouldve gotten a Golf TDi, but with options and the dieseal, it would have been $20,000. It would take three years of fuel savings to payoff the extra $1200 VW charges for a diesel.
Then again, it took three years for Ford to try out the best flavor of the Focus, readily available in Europe, how long before they try out diesels?
I just came back from Europe. Europe imposes more standards on automobiles than the US. If you buy a Focus in Europe you will get: _ Body colored folding mirrors, not cheap black plastic ones that you have to duct tape back on when someone bumps into them (seen quite a few like that). All cars in Europe have folding mirrors to protect people from injury. _Extra lights in the bumpers _Stylish triangular marker lights set into the back of the front fenders that help as an extra safety feature when changing lanes on the highway _Rear seat head rests. I think they started that here recently, but then stopped. Oh... and there is a geally nice ice green popular on Focii there. All in all Focii in Europe seemed more substantial than here.
It's a shame that our manufacturers will cut corners wherever they can because they aren't forced to do something.
HA HA HA! The first Focus I saw today after leaving the house after my last email, had just cables hanging from where the mirror goes. I wonder how much it will cost her (the lady driving it) to replace the mirror?
Oh and BTW my friend in Switzerland has a diesel Focus wagon. I don't think they can import their diesels here anyway because European diesel is low sulpher content. Ours isn't and doesn't have to be till 2006. I really think our government gives extra long time periods for everything so that another leader can come in and change it before that time! I mean.... look at what happened with the 80 mpg cars that the big three were supposed to come out with. Clinton gave them such a long time that Bush just came in and forfeited the whole thing before the time was up.
5yr/100k warranty on a new ZX5 would kick [non-permissible content removed]!! I hope that report turns out to be true. It's really the only way that I think they can compete with Hyundai....the elantra gt has more power, more standard goodies, and a longer warranty...and I feel that most buyers that shop a car based on the warranty won't care about fit and finish...."as long as it's covered." Also, Marc, unless the brochure at the ford website is inaccurate (it's a pdf brochure you can download) then the ZX5 doesn't come standard with leather. The only colors available in leather are parchment and graphite. Perhaps they meant or you saw that they come with a leather-wrapped steering wheel standard. As for colors, I agree.....the yellow looks so sweet!!! But you know....most of the ford racing parts available for the focus come in blue....would be cool to have a malibu blue focus with the engine bay all tricked out in blue.....I'm still trying to convince my wife that the focus is nothing like the 88 Tempo she used to drive in High School (they called it the heat trap). The warranty should help convince her, I hope. Marc, have you done any mods to your car? I'm wondering how it would respond to intake/exhaust/chip. At focusport.com they have a chip that will allegedly give you 10% more power and move the redline to 7100rpm. So....if I chip my ZX5, add intake and exhaust.....can I add all that power up? 13 + @5 + @10 = 28??? Who couldn't use 160 hp in their ZX5..... John P.S. I hope ford gets some ZX%'s built quick...my Neon's approaching 86,500 miles...."She can't take much mooorrrreee Captain!"
I have been at the Foccussport website a bit. I am trying to stay away until I get the car. I think I will do these things, front suspension brace (in blue), K&N air filter (or focusport ait system with K&N), and Blue replacement gauges. I dont know about the power chip. Some people at MyZX3.com said they had trouble getting service with the chip when they brought the car in. I might make more suspension/tire mods as time goes on. I am more into handling than speed. The car is fast enough for me. I drove a WRX, and I would be sure to plant it in a tree after a month because the pickup is so astounding above 3000. I like the idea of the focus, it loves to wind out, but you still won't be going fast. Like the 78 Rabbit diesel I drove years ago. 4 gears, 42 hp, and it felt like 70 at 45 mph. What fun! Here in SE Penn, there is a lot of traffic. However, twisty 2 laners are a 15 minute drive away. I think if I lived in someplace less dense, a fast car would be in order, but for here, I don't want to be riding up everybody's bumper. (which I was doing in the WRX). Now, the Elantra will have appeal to those who are "unemotional" about their hatch. As far as driving dynamics and styling, the Focus has it all over the Elantra though. I hear that Suzuki is coming out with a 5 door next year, and the Matrix/Vibe as well. It will be a tough market for the ZX5, unless hatches are as in as the marketers think they will be.
I love what you said about the Tempo! Ten years ago, when I had taken my driver's exam in a 5-door Escort, I would never have believed the first car I would buy would be a Euro style compact from Ford, that was fun to drive. No way could the company that sent us such awful vehicles as the Fairmont, Escort, and Tempo pull it together. Well, this is the way to build in younger customers. A "FORD", I am still scratching my head.
I can't download the PDF. What does the brochure say about the ZX5 seats? Are they sport or lowback? What colors does the cloth interior come in with exterior colors? Is all three interior for all exterior? I think it is just an error in the Ford website for the seats. It seams to be a work in progress.
I tried typing in all the combos and it wouldn't post....too long perhaps. Do you have acrobat reader? Do you want me to email the brochure to you? John
John, No I do not have adobe acrobat reader. I only have access to internet at work. They are very very nice to us, but we cannot download any readers or realplayers, or open any e-mails with attachments. Great fear of virus for our little company.
So, I just was wondering if the Dark Charcoal is listing as avialable with the Malibu Blue. It is probably too late to change my order anyway. The seat issue is this; the seats are different between the Sport (ZX3) and Lowback (sedan and wagon). I find the sport seats much better. My info from Ford as of May shows the ZX5 with Sport seats and Kangeroo pockets. It is the last piece of the puzzle.
Well the last piece is really, when are they going to arrive?
Marc
PS - How has your Neon held up? My friends have a 98 or 99, and they can't wait to get rid of it before the warranty runs out. They said its falling apart, it sure makes a lot of odd groaning sounds for a 3 year old car. All the Gen 1 Neons I see have paint problems as well.
I own an Elantra GT and now have 11,000 miles. The fit and finish is top notch, the ride is solid and quiet, and the car has been virtually perfect since I bought it. I intend to look at a Focus ZTW and ZX5 for car #2...any thoughts out there from current Ford owners? I got 321,000 miles on a Festiva with the original engine and clutch.
I saw some 2002 ZX3s last night at the Ford dealer. (yes I have been lurking, but it is around the corner from the library.) It can't be long now.
They had a sedan in the French Blue, I just love this color. Not more than the Malibu, but it is definately my second for the Foci.
If you need a good deal on a ZX3, this dealer still has a handful of 2001 ZX3s. They have a flourescent green "Leftover" sign mournfully tacked on the window. Poor things.
I really wish ford would set the record strait....the brocure lists dark charcoal cloth interior available on all models for 2002. The brochure also lists egg yolk yellow as an available color on the ZX5, the build-your-own does not. It's very frustrating, especially since most dealerships don't know anything more than what's posted on the net. I've actually had salespeople take me to their corporate websites....as if I hadn't already been there.....
Anyway...Marc, my neon is a 96 Sport Coupe (Plymouth) built in the USA....I've had a few mechanical problems, and the only paint trouble was door/window trim and the wiper arms....all replaced under warranty. The red paint has actually held up rather well to the Arizona sun. I do keep it garaged,and try to keep it clean and waxed though. I'm noticing a few squeaks/rattles starting to develope, the power window regulators have never really been worth a damn....but every time I get PO'd at it, I remember that I only paid $14,600 for it in 1996....and I guarantee you that nothing in that price range from that year can outrun my car. I've embarrased quite a few people on the street and on runs to Mt Lemmon...the car still accelerates strong, and handles really well....the only thing I really hate is the A/C...when you turn it on, it's like taking away 2 of the cylinders.....or like thowing the anchor overboard.....it's very annoying. I still get 30 mpg with mixed driving with the DOHC 150HP eng, have used mobile one exclusively.....I'm ready to get rid of it, but when you take into account the entire 5 years and 86000 miles I've put on it, it's been a good car, not the best built, but pretty good. If I only had 16 grand to pay for a car (ie, couldn't afford a maxed out zx5), then I would consider a new Neon R/T....the new models are supposed to be built way better than mine. John
Have you seen the pics of the 2003 Mazda 6 here at Edmunds? The yellow 5 door is really hot!!! If the price is right (around 21-22K) then I might have to wait another year to buy. I also just drove an 02 Nissan Altima (got a watch for my trouble), what a nice car...the 4 cyl auto I drove (no 5 speed available) was really quite quick, and the back seat is like a dance hall....very impressive car for the money. But that Mazda 6 looks really, really sweet....I think these car companies are finally listening to what we want in a car....If only the rest of the American auto makers would join in..... John
I guess it is a return to the 626 hatch. Do you remember in the 80's, Mazda had a 626 turbo hatchback that would smoke BMWs? I remember the car magazines saying that torque steer was a problem, but it was a ball to drive with sleeper styling. I think the Mazda 6 is a bit too much $$$ for me. Really, ther Pro 5 is the top of what I could afford at the moment, with the ZX5 just a tad more than I'd like, and the Elantra GT perfect. But I had to go with my heart. You are right about the Ford website, its a mess! I guess they don't expect people to check it as often as we do. The build it/price it shows no Yellow for the Zx5, but the whole time the picture in the upper left corner is Yellow! What a tease!
Both Road and Track and Car and Driver have tests of the Neon R/T this month. They said it was a ball for the money, but the interior seems a bit cheap. They both seemed to like Protege MP3 more. I drove my friends Neon this weekend, so good to back on a stick after a month hiatus, I was in withdrawal. I am not comfortable in those seats though. It is a bit of a tight fit for my short but wide legs. The car is noisy, like my old Saturn, the power steering pump in particular sounded like a moaning slide guitar!
Meanwhile, it looks like the steering wheel in the 2002 Foci is redesigned, the Ford logo is larger, to remind us of what we are driving. No Zx5s in attendance at the dealer, but I did see that SE wagons and Sedans no longer sport a tach. Even with the stick. Cheap. I loved that grabber green, much more than Rainforest. I think it would be my second for the ZX5, since French blue is out.
I test drove one this weekend and came here to look at other people's take on this car. Looks like no one else has had the chance, so I'll give a few impressions. This was the first Focus I've ever driven and I was hoping to like it a lot more than I did. It is very spiffy looking and has a nice modern interior, but for $20K it felt underpowered and very average in the driving responsiveness category. I would think 16" tires make a bigger difference, but they did not. On pegging the gas, it seemed to swerve very mildly to the right.
I've recently driven a Honda Civic (even more underpowered but a lot more refined), Nissan Sentra (better power), and the Hyundai Elantra GT. The GT was by far the most fun to drive, but then again, it was the only one with a stick shift. Six footers beware the low moonroof on the GT. My usual ride is an '88 Volvo 740 turbo wagon, which compares favorably with the whole bunch. On the basis of my first impression, I'm no longer seriously considering a Focus.
The ZX5 is located in Fairfield, CT at Miller Ford off Exit 24 on I-95. I'll be interested to see what other people think of this model.
Are you sure about the $20K? Either the dealer was out of his mind or you're mistaken. No way a ZX5 will cost that much even fully loaded. You can even get into the upcoming SVT Focus for less than that. I like the Elantra GT, but I don't think it handles near as well as the Focus. But I agree with the Focus feeling under-powered (still better than the civic that has, what @ 114 ft/lbs of torque?). It's fine for me, but an extra 30-40 ft/lbs of torque would be great.
Oh my - I keep looking for this car on some dealer and it is nowhere to be found!!! It must have been loaded to the hilt with auto, leather, and the traction control for 20K. Driving the car with the stick shift makes a huge difference. The stick is a joy to row, and it maximizes the engine power. He must have been putting on a huge markup because he was the first in the country with the super rare ZX5.
Yes, the car was fully loaded: traction control, leather, auto, ABS, the works. The 20K was on the window sticker, I didn't really get into it with the salesman. He said it had been on the lot just a couple of days (it had 38 miles on it) and that the ones they were going to get in were going to be similarly loaded. I have to admit I'm not very familiar with the Focus, and I had thought it was the SVT car I've heard about. That's why the lack of power surprised me. A longer test drive would have been more telling, but my intial reaction was that while the Focus steering felt very precise, the GT overall handled better. I'm sure people's impressions will vary on that. It usually takes me a while to get a good feel for a car.
Was it a wagon? If you are not familiar with the Focus - there are 2 five door variants for 2002. The wagon, which is about 200 lbs heavier than the more spritely ZX5. The Zx5 is the four door hatch version of a Zx3. I test drove a ZX3 stick, and figured the feel would be much the same. You may have been in a ZTW wagon, the most expensive Focus there is - standard with leather and automatic. The price of that could easily be near 20K. The wagon is about 9 inches longer than the ZX5 - but has twice the cargo room - 18.6 vs like 38 with seats down. The SVT is three doors only, a hopped up ZX3. It hasnt arrived. It has a turbo DOHC 16 valve engine with 170 hp. It comes with 6 speed only, traction control, and 17 inch wheels. It also has the Euro tuned suspension. This may be the car you need, a GTI chaser for $17000. My ZX5 on order is only 16700. I got the stick and no leather.
the SVT is not a turbo engine. It's normally aspirated. And it's suspension is different than the Euro suspension that's available over there and that was available here in the S2 package. Different suspension setup all together. The SVT engine was developed in conjunction with Cosworth and the 6 speed manual is built by Getrag.
Good theory on the ZTW wagon. That wouldn't surprise me. Only other thing is if the Dealer was asking for way more than his own fair share.
It was definitely a ZX5 hatchback -- I took a good luck at the name plate. I was discussing the car with the sales guy and I mentioned the SVT and the 170 HP. He didn't correct my impression that the ZX5 was a product of that team and had that horsepower. I think the car would have been a lot better with a stick shift. The SVT sounds great, but with two kids, I think I need a 4 door!
Everything thus far seems to point to the fact that the ZX5 has the 130 horse Zetec from the ZX5. The Ford website can't agree on much, but all the data out there seems to agree on that. If you need pickup, look elsewhere really. The Focus is very good, but other cars in its class are much better.. All the tests agree, handles great, not the fastest. A Neon R/T or Golf 1.8T would have more power. I can't believe you saw a ZX5!! Murphys law eh, the first sighting was by someone casual about the car.
I Saw a ZX5 last night at the local Ford dealer. Pitch Black, Med Graphite cloth interior ( The leather is not standard). Sport buckets with map pockets and kangeroo pouches. Automatic and ABS only, 16300 MSRP. It had a chrome decklid insert, and 'ZX5' in the lower right side of the tailgate, just like a ZX3. It was dark, but I could make out the brushed aluminum dash insert. It is the best looking Focus model, by far.
That is far from the real figures for the R/T. The Focus ZX3 does 0-60 in 8.8 secs and the Neon R/T in 7.6, as tested by Car and Driver. That 10.1 sec must have been for a base Neon with the 3 speed auto!
I just drove a 5 speed ZX5, fully equipped (traction control, ABS, moonroof, side airbags) in "Liquid Grey". This is just a sweet looking little car. I enjoyed the ride in this car very much, the car really hugged the road, especially on turns in the city. Fit and finish was pristine...I saw none of the shoddiness or misalignments that some on this board noted..and I really looked carefully.
Some negatives...well, none that haven't already been noted in regards to the ZX3...not great low end grunt and very pronounced road noise at highway speeds (maybe not any worse than most small cars, but it is something that irritates me).
So why didn't I buy this car? Bottom line is I simply could not justify buying this car over the Hyundai Elantra GT. The sticker on the ZX5 was around 18,700 and the dealership offered to sell to me at "factory invoice" which they claimed was 17,700 (they added in an "advertising fee"). I tried to bargain further given that it was the last day on the month, but they wouldn't budge. Even with zero percent financing, and the fact that insurance on the Elantra is about 15% more than on the Focus, I just could not justify the Ford. By the way, the rumor that Ford is supplimenting the 36 mo bumper to bumper with a 100,000 mile powertrain warranty is true.
The GT, when you include option package 11 (ABS, moonroof, traction control), beats the Focus in side-by-side features. I think the GT has edge in power and acceleration, as well as a much quieter highway ride. Focus definitely has the edge in looks (my personal opinion) city handling, and an overall feeling of solid body construction and finish. Overall, the only negative to the GT I could find is that the fit and finish is a little cheap in some places (for example, the trunk area carpeting, stereo, and overall seat quality, despite the leather), as well as a feeling that the GT may depreciate a bit faster than the Focus. However, this is realy nitpicking, especially since my Hyundai dealer located and is selling me the GT I want (Pewter 5 speed with Moonroof, ABS and Traction control) for dealer invoice (about 14,600).
Who knows, if I hate the GT after a year or so, maybe I'll sell it/trade it and try the Focus, but right now, my decision was pretty easy, even though I really wanted to buy a car from an American manufacturer for patriotic reasons.
By the way, if anyone in the New England area is looking for a 5 speed ZX5 (impossible to find around here..all the dealer orders seem to be for automatics), Autofair Ford in Manchester New Hampshire has the one I drove, and is expecting another one exactly like it.
Can you remember what color the interior color was? What was the shift knob like, a big silver thingee? This could answer a lot of questions. I thought the Elantra had very comfortable seats. They were a bit wider for American frames, but I Imagine they dont hold one as well in the twisties like the Focus seats will. I guess the ZX5 is just popping up everywhere.
I agree with badnicky99, the Elantra GT is just an incredible bargain....and that's exactly the same questions I've been asking myself....what's more important: fit and finish, resale value, or a really low monthly payment? Since my wife stays at home with my son, and I'm the one and only bread winner, the low, low monthly payment is very attractive to me right now. Did anyone ever find out about the colors/interior combos? I haven't had a chance to call Ford, been too busy. I also can totally respect badnicky's position on wanting to buy American. As a 12 year member of the Air Force and Arizona Air National Guard, I am also compelled to buy American, but as a Car Guy, I'm compelled to buy the best vehicle I can afford....and in most cases, that's not going to be made in the USA. I also heard that the Focus will be built in Mexico, this sort of killed my Patriotic reasons for wanting to buy American. Kinda sad that you have to buy an Accord or Altima in order to support the American factory workers. John
I like to buy American as well. The Hatchbacks are made in Hermosillo Mexico, and the Sedans and wagons are built in Wayne, Michigan. Kind of helps unserscore the fact that these are two separate car lines with the same name. From what I can tell, the Hatchbacks seem to have less problems than the cars built in Wayne. It says "Ford" on the grill , so most people will think its built in America, just like an Accord is still a "Japanese" car. The Focus has people scratching thier heads anyway, as it is such a Euro Look car with a Ford badge, and the super Euro ZX5 is really gonna throw people for a loop. Everyone I show a picture of the ZX5 to, says, "It looks so European". I just smile....
John., I still think, if you like small cars that handle, there is no comparison. Even though the Elantra GT has the Euro tuned suspension, I could little tell the difference in tuning between that and the regular Sedan. (I drove 2, a GT auto, and a sedan stick) The Elantra felt like a "big" small car; Big drivers seat, slow steering, and a really smooth ride. The Focus seemd to feel larger inside than the outside suggested, but it is still not "large". Most importantly if you like handling, the Focus seemed to scream, 'lets find a nice twisty two lane and have some FUN!' I didn't get that with the Elantra. Elantra GT has hit a chord though, I see them every day now. I think it must be the standard leather.
I need a second car and will seriously consider the ZX5 and the ZTW. I want leather, ABS, side air bags, and traction control with a 4 cylinder engine, and as you are probably well aware, the GT and these Foci are almost the only games in town. Saturn L series perhaps, although it has side curtain air bags and no side seat air bags. As an Elantra GT owner with 13,000 miles already, let me tell you that the GT has been superb so far. Great ride, great content, and mid 30s in highway cruising with an automatic. Might even get another one, although I like having a bit of variety.
The Elantra was very good. I did like driving it a bit more than the Saturn L100. The Saturn felt like a larger version of my S-series, just roomier and queiter. If I was taking the kids to Wally World the Saturn L would be a great choice. But I don't have kids, and Wally World is closed in winter...
The Elantra is great value for a car, but the Focus lit my fire that extra bit more, and I thought it was worth the extra $1500. I don't like leather either, and I really think Hyundai should offer it as an option, maybe even at no charge. The Hyundai dealer said that people as for it without to save even more money. Isn't the Elantra the cheapest car you can get with leather? Leather is a love it or leave it proposition, like a sunroof. I have to have a sunroof, but my friend who just bought a L300, couldnt stand the sunroof in her Saab.
I saw 4 ZX5s at the Ford Dealer here in Ann Arbor, MI on Saturday. I must say it is a GREAT looking vehicle, especially in the Red color. The 5-speed with Leather was in the $17K range.
I am glad to see a vehicle that is offered in Europe come to our shores. I think it will be a good seller.
Please PLease Please - If you see a ZX5 it is very important to note the interior colors with exterior - this has been the hardest information to get straight from Ford.
The Red one I saw had a grey interior, and it seemed like the others did as well. I felt as if they were using the same color combination strategies as that in the ZX3
The question is if the car is coming with all three Focus interior trim options, grey, dark charcoal, and the parchment (beige). Some Ford info says all three, others say only the grey and beige. Also, if you spot a yellow ZX5, shout as is is in great doubt whether this color is avialble on the 5 door or not.
I saw a Black one with a grey interior. Oh Yeah, the grey cloth inserts have special black piping, which looks really nice, I haven't seen this on any other Foci. The ZX3 also got a new cloth pattern for 2002, as I have seen a 2001 next to a 2002. Thanks, I am still waiting (it gets worse every day, thinking about rowing through the gears and cornering while I drive my temporary tank. ) Does anyone have thiers yet?
I just picked up my ZX5 last night - and I can't wipe this smile off my face! It's absolutely gorgeous - I love the grabber green! It's so much fun to drive, I'm at work and am already feeling separation anxiety. And it only took 14 weeks to get here! Anyway, I got the grey interior, power moonroof, ABS, side airbags, automatic. I thought this day would never come.
to respond to some of the questions around my last post. Lets take them in order:
1. The interior of the Liquid Grey ZX5 was whats called "medium graphite" which I guess is the same as what others have called "grey"
2. The shift knob was not silver but it was large. As I recall, it was white or cream colored, but I might be mistaken (I actually thought it was kind of ugly...nitpicking again!)
3. On the whole "Buy American" thing...its clear that that term is more fuzzy now than it used to be..I was aware that the Foci are assembled in Mexico..however, its pretty sure that Ford Motor Co and its continued health (or lack thereof) are really critical parts of the American economy, whereas Hyundai is less integral (obviously, there are many American employees of Hyundai USA who would say they are very much part of the US economy). Basically, I wanted to support Ford especially with the zero percent financing, but just felt the Elantra was too good a value to pass up.
4. I've had my GT for about 24 hours now and am enjoying it (what an improvement over my 99 Jeep Cherokee Sport!). I will say that its clear to me now that my initial impressions were right...The ZX5 really has superior handling. Someone said "the Focus seemed to scream, 'lets find a nice twisty two lane and have some FUN!" I agree wholeheartedly...the GT is fun but not quite like the ZX5.
5. Ultimately..the transferrable warranty and giant price difference ($3000 bucks for a similarly equipped vehicle) swayed me, and I convinced myself that depreciation on the vehicles was likely to be similar since Hyundai will improve in that area (neither one will be great at holding value).
Congrats Holly, I thought you'd disappeared, maybe just hibernating till the car showed up. I don't expect you'll post as you'll be out driving!
I got a call from my Ford dealer when I got home last night, I could tell by his tone it wasn't the "message". Anyway, they have confirmation that the car is coming the first week in December, which is fine. Every other week is more $$$$ for the down payment! I asked if he had any, he said they had a white one but it sold. He will call if it comes up again. Meanwhile, today there was a customer in the store who had an infra-red ZX3. He said "Its great, no problems, you'll really dig it." I Have not found anyone who has said they have had major problems with the Focus. I think it was first year teething problems. Even Car and Driver who finished a long term on a wagon said it was "reliable and fun". By chance, I ended up test driving a Sonata GLS last night. Very nice car, tons of pickup, a gorgeous interior. The nicest was the roomy and comfortable rear seat. I accidentally threw it into a decreasing radius hairpin, and it held well. I can't say the same for the salesman. The Hyundais are really nice these days. A world away from what they used to make. They had a red Elantra GT, I have to say I like the styling of the Focus more. These seem to be main competitors for each other. I am sure the Elantra is more fun to drive than a Cherokee sport! I would pick it over the Liberty for sure.
Focusmatt - How is your ZX3 holding up? Holly, Is the moonroof a tilt and slide type? I guess it has a sunshade. I would like to know more about it because I havent seen a Focus with a moonroof.
A silver one, sure wish they would have shown the interior :-) Today I also saw a yellow zx3 on the street, looked like the headrests were black, so I'm guessing the whole interior is. Looks soooooo sweet in Yellow. If Ford doesn't offer the ZX5 in Yellow with a black interior, I think I'll scream. If the black interior isn't available, then I guess it's red/tan interior. My Neon is red/tan interior and I really want to get something different. So, I guess some day soon I'll call the good folks at Ford and ask them what's up. Glad to here you got your car McButter and Mroland, can't wait for you to get yours and get your impression on all the little but important things. See ya. John
I just got the Ford brochure on the 2002 Focus. It shows all of the possible color combos. The ZX3 and ZX5 have the same color options - so you can get a yellow ext and black int. The brochure is also useful because it shows actual pictures of what all the colors look like on the cars. It was interesting in that I got a market-specific brochure - the Focus and Mustang in one booklet with young people on the cover. And the inside covers the stereo systems more than safety.
My friend just got an Elantra, and while it's a good car and great bargain, to me it's just another compact. What separates the Focus from the competition are the choices. Whether it's the four body types, dozen exterior colors, or options like the moonroof, 6-CD player, traction control, side airbags, or just a bare-bones system, you can get exactly what you want in a car. Its competitors (Toyota Corolla, Saturn S-series) are BORING. Smaller engines and no extras. I'm considering buying the ZX3 or ZX5 against small midsize cars such as the Chevy Malibu and Mercury Cougar. My only hangup is the engine - I'm used to and in love with my Buick's 3.8 V6, so I don't know if I could do 4 cylinders.
Did you get your brochure at a dealer? Or did you have to send off for it? One of the dealers here in Tucson had a ZX5 for about an hour.....their internet manager is going to call me when they get another one so I can drive it. If you're right about the colors, I think I'll be getting one in a few months....
As far as 4 vs 6, power is always nice, but so Is gas milage. All I would say is pick a well designed 4 cylinder. The one in my current car, DOHC 96 Neon, is really good as long as you don't turn on the A/C. And I couldn't imagine driving one with an automatic. On the flipside, I drove a focus automatic rental car and was really pleased with it's performance, even with the a/c on. I've also driven a 2000 Jetta with the base 115 HP engine, and again, not real speedy, but much better than I expected. So....just drive a few till you find what you like. John
I spent hours researching both and bought an Elantra GT. Focus still in the running for car #2 that I need. However, the distinguishing feature of the Focus is choice? Perhaps, but unlike the Focus, there is no stripped Elantra. Their standard content is outstanding, and the ZTS or ZX5 costs a heck of a lot more than the GT with the same equipment.
I am not sure why all the choices that are available for the Focus should make that big of a difference? You can only buy one car at a time, and either one of the choices offered meet with your need/desires or they don't. Unless you are really interested in a Wagon or a 3 door, the Elantra and the Focus are good competitors. Also of course if you are looking for options then VW is your choice since the Beetle, Golf and Jetta are all very similar : ).
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Here's the link
http://www.detnews.com/2001/autos/0110/12/c01-316926.htm
Then again, it took three years for Ford to try out the best flavor of the Focus, readily available in Europe, how long before they try out diesels?
Marc
If you buy a Focus in Europe you will get:
_ Body colored folding mirrors, not cheap black plastic ones that you have to duct tape back on when someone bumps into them (seen quite a few like that). All cars in Europe have folding mirrors to protect people from injury.
_Extra lights in the bumpers
_Stylish triangular marker lights set into the back of the front fenders that help as an extra safety feature when changing lanes on the highway
_Rear seat head rests. I think they started that here recently, but then stopped.
Oh... and there is a geally nice ice green popular on Focii there.
All in all Focii in Europe seemed more substantial than here.
It's a shame that our manufacturers will cut corners wherever they can because they aren't forced to do something.
The first Focus I saw today after leaving the house after my last email, had just cables hanging from where the mirror goes. I wonder how much it will cost her (the lady driving it) to replace the mirror?
Oh and BTW my friend in Switzerland has a diesel Focus wagon. I don't think they can import their diesels here anyway because European diesel is low sulpher content. Ours isn't and doesn't have to be till 2006. I really think our government gives extra long time periods for everything so that another leader can come in and change it before that time! I mean.... look at what happened with the 80 mpg cars that the big three were supposed to come out with. Clinton gave them such a long time that Bush just came in and forfeited the whole thing before the time was up.
John
P.S. I hope ford gets some ZX%'s built quick...my Neon's approaching 86,500 miles...."She can't take much mooorrrreee Captain!"
I dont know about the power chip. Some people at MyZX3.com said they had trouble getting service with the chip when they brought the car in. I might make more suspension/tire mods as time goes on. I am more into handling than speed. The car is fast enough for me. I drove a WRX, and I would be sure to plant it in a tree after a month because the pickup is so astounding above 3000. I like the idea of the focus, it loves to wind out, but you still won't be going fast. Like the 78 Rabbit diesel I drove years ago. 4 gears, 42 hp, and it felt like 70 at 45 mph. What fun!
Here in SE Penn, there is a lot of traffic. However, twisty 2 laners are a 15 minute drive away. I think if I lived in someplace less dense, a fast car would be in order, but for here, I don't want to be riding up everybody's bumper. (which I was doing in the WRX).
Now, the Elantra will have appeal to those who are "unemotional" about their hatch. As far as driving dynamics and styling, the Focus has it all over the Elantra though. I hear that Suzuki is coming out with a 5 door next year, and the Matrix/Vibe as well. It will be a tough market for the ZX5, unless hatches are as in as the marketers think they will be.
I love what you said about the Tempo! Ten years ago, when I had taken my driver's exam in a 5-door Escort, I would never have believed the first car I would buy would be a Euro style compact from Ford, that was fun to drive. No way could the company that sent us such awful vehicles as the Fairmont, Escort, and Tempo pull it together. Well, this is the way to build in younger customers. A "FORD", I am still scratching my head.
Marc
What colors does the cloth interior come in with exterior colors? Is all three interior for all exterior? I think it is just an error in the Ford website for the seats. It seams to be a work in progress.
Marc
John
No I do not have adobe acrobat reader. I only have access to internet at work. They are very very nice to us, but we cannot download any readers or realplayers, or open any e-mails with attachments. Great fear of virus for our little company.
So, I just was wondering if the Dark Charcoal is listing as avialable with the Malibu Blue. It is probably too late to change my order anyway.
The seat issue is this; the seats are different between the Sport (ZX3) and Lowback (sedan and wagon). I find the sport seats much better. My info from Ford as of May shows the ZX5 with Sport seats and Kangeroo pockets. It is the last piece of the puzzle.
Well the last piece is really, when are they going to arrive?
Marc
PS - How has your Neon held up? My friends have a 98 or 99, and they can't wait to get rid of it before the warranty runs out. They said its falling apart, it sure makes a lot of odd groaning sounds for a 3 year old car. All the Gen 1 Neons I see have paint problems as well.
Dark Charcoal isn't available at all for the ZX5 (you can finally do the 'build and price' option at fordvehicles.com).
I got some good news today - apparently my ZX5 shipped yesterday and should arrive in about 10 - 14 days! Yeay! And FINALLY!
I saw some 2002 ZX3s last night at the Ford dealer. (yes I have been lurking, but it is around the corner from the library.) It can't be long now.
They had a sedan in the French Blue, I just love this color. Not more than the Malibu, but it is definately my second for the Foci.
If you need a good deal on a ZX3, this dealer still has a handful of 2001 ZX3s. They have a flourescent green "Leftover" sign mournfully tacked on the window. Poor things.
Any day now
Any Way now
They shall be released.
Marc
Anyway...Marc, my neon is a 96 Sport Coupe (Plymouth) built in the USA....I've had a few mechanical problems, and the only paint trouble was door/window trim and the wiper arms....all replaced under warranty. The red paint has actually held up rather well to the Arizona sun. I do keep it garaged,and try to keep it clean and waxed though. I'm noticing a few squeaks/rattles starting to develope, the power window regulators have never really been worth a damn....but every time I get PO'd at it, I remember that I only paid $14,600 for it in 1996....and I guarantee you that nothing in that price range from that year can outrun my car. I've embarrased quite a few people on the street and on runs to Mt Lemmon...the car still accelerates strong, and handles really well....the only thing I really hate is the A/C...when you turn it on, it's like taking away 2 of the cylinders.....or like thowing the anchor overboard.....it's very annoying. I still get 30 mpg with mixed driving with the DOHC 150HP eng, have used mobile one exclusively.....I'm ready to get rid of it, but when you take into account the entire 5 years and 86000 miles I've put on it, it's been a good car, not the best built, but pretty good. If I only had 16 grand to pay for a car (ie, couldn't afford a maxed out zx5), then I would consider a new Neon R/T....the new models are supposed to be built way better than mine.
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I think the Mazda 6 is a bit too much $$$ for me. Really, ther Pro 5 is the top of what I could afford at the moment, with the ZX5 just a tad more than I'd like, and the Elantra GT perfect. But I had to go with my heart.
You are right about the Ford website, its a mess! I guess they don't expect people to check it as often as we do. The build it/price it shows no Yellow for the Zx5, but the whole time the picture in the upper left corner is Yellow! What a tease!
Both Road and Track and Car and Driver have tests of the Neon R/T this month. They said it was a ball for the money, but the interior seems a bit cheap. They both seemed to like Protege MP3 more. I drove my friends Neon this weekend, so good to back on a stick after a month hiatus, I was in withdrawal. I am not comfortable in those seats though. It is a bit of a tight fit for my short but wide legs. The car is noisy, like my old Saturn, the power steering pump in particular sounded like a moaning slide guitar!
Meanwhile, it looks like the steering wheel in the 2002 Foci is redesigned, the Ford logo is larger, to remind us of what we are driving. No Zx5s in attendance at the dealer, but I did see that SE wagons and Sedans no longer sport a tach. Even with the stick. Cheap. I loved that grabber green, much more than Rainforest. I think it would be my second for the ZX5, since French blue is out.
Marc
Actually I have found test drving cars can be quite lucrative:
1999- $50 GC to CDNow from Oldsmobile Alero
2001 - $25 GC to Borders from Saturn (LS1)
2001- $50 GC to Amazon from VW (Jetta Wolfsburg)
My CD collection would like to thank the car companies!
I've recently driven a Honda Civic (even more underpowered but a lot more refined), Nissan Sentra (better power), and the Hyundai Elantra GT. The GT was by far the most fun to drive, but then again, it was the only one with a stick shift. Six footers beware the low moonroof on the GT. My usual ride is an '88 Volvo 740 turbo wagon, which compares favorably with the whole bunch. On the basis of my first impression, I'm no longer seriously considering a Focus.
The ZX5 is located in Fairfield, CT at Miller Ford off Exit 24 on I-95. I'll be interested to see what other people think of this model.
It must have been loaded to the hilt with auto, leather, and the traction control for 20K. Driving the car with the stick shift makes a huge difference. The stick is a joy to row, and it maximizes the engine power.
He must have been putting on a huge markup because he was the first in the country with the super rare ZX5.
Has anyone else seen one stateside?
Marc
The SVT is three doors only, a hopped up ZX3. It hasnt arrived. It has a turbo DOHC 16 valve engine with 170 hp. It comes with 6 speed only, traction control, and 17 inch wheels. It also has the Euro tuned suspension. This may be the car you need, a GTI chaser for $17000. My ZX5 on order is only 16700. I got the stick and no leather.
Marc
Good theory on the ZTW wagon. That wouldn't surprise me. Only other thing is if the Dealer was asking for way more than his own fair share.
If you need pickup, look elsewhere really. The Focus is very good, but other cars in its class are much better.. All the tests agree, handles great, not the fastest. A Neon R/T or Golf 1.8T would have more power.
I can't believe you saw a ZX5!! Murphys law eh, the first sighting was by someone casual about the car.
Marc
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Some negatives...well, none that haven't already been noted in regards to the ZX3...not great low end grunt and very pronounced road noise at highway speeds (maybe not any worse than most small cars, but it is something that irritates me).
So why didn't I buy this car? Bottom line is I simply could not justify buying this car over the Hyundai Elantra GT. The sticker on the ZX5 was around 18,700 and the dealership offered to sell to me at "factory invoice" which they claimed was 17,700 (they added in an "advertising fee"). I tried to bargain further given that it was the last day on the month, but they wouldn't budge. Even with zero percent financing, and the fact that insurance on the Elantra is about 15% more than on the Focus, I just could not justify the Ford. By the way, the rumor that Ford is supplimenting the 36 mo bumper to bumper with a 100,000 mile powertrain warranty is true.
The GT, when you include option package 11 (ABS, moonroof, traction control), beats the Focus in side-by-side features. I think the GT has edge in power and acceleration, as well as a much quieter highway ride. Focus definitely has the edge in looks (my personal opinion) city handling, and an overall feeling of solid body construction and finish. Overall, the only negative to the GT I could find is that the fit and finish is a little cheap in some places (for example, the trunk area carpeting, stereo, and overall seat quality, despite the leather), as well as a feeling that the GT may depreciate a bit faster than the Focus. However, this is realy nitpicking, especially since my Hyundai dealer located and is selling me the GT I want (Pewter 5 speed with Moonroof, ABS and Traction control) for dealer invoice (about 14,600).
Who knows, if I hate the GT after a year or so, maybe I'll sell it/trade it and try the Focus, but right now, my decision was pretty easy, even though I really wanted to buy a car from an American manufacturer for patriotic reasons.
By the way, if anyone in the New England area is looking for a 5 speed ZX5 (impossible to find around here..all the dealer orders seem to be for automatics), Autofair Ford in Manchester New Hampshire has the one I drove, and is expecting another one exactly like it.
Marc
John
John., I still think, if you like small cars that handle, there is no comparison. Even though the Elantra GT has the Euro tuned suspension, I could little tell the difference in tuning between that and the regular Sedan. (I drove 2, a GT auto, and a sedan stick) The Elantra felt like a "big" small car; Big drivers seat, slow steering, and a really smooth ride. The Focus seemd to feel larger inside than the outside suggested, but it is still not "large". Most importantly if you like handling, the Focus seemed to scream, 'lets find a nice twisty two lane and have some FUN!' I didn't get that with the Elantra. Elantra GT has hit a chord though, I see them every day now. I think it must be the standard leather.
Marc
The Elantra is great value for a car, but the Focus lit my fire that extra bit more, and I thought it was worth the extra $1500. I don't like leather either, and I really think Hyundai should offer it as an option, maybe even at no charge. The Hyundai dealer said that people as for it without to save even more money. Isn't the Elantra the cheapest car you can get with leather? Leather is a love it or leave it proposition, like a sunroof. I have to have a sunroof, but my friend who just bought a L300, couldnt stand the sunroof in her Saab.
Marc
I am glad to see a vehicle that is offered in Europe come to our shores. I think it will be a good seller.
Thanks
I saw a Black one with a grey interior. Oh Yeah, the grey cloth inserts have special black piping, which looks really nice, I haven't seen this on any other Foci. The ZX3 also got a new cloth pattern for 2002, as I have seen a 2001 next to a 2002.
Thanks, I am still waiting (it gets worse every day, thinking about rowing through the gears and cornering while I drive my temporary tank. ) Does anyone have thiers yet?
Marc
Marc, do you know when yours will arrive?
Are you related to the fake butter people?
1. The interior of the Liquid Grey ZX5 was whats called "medium graphite" which I guess is the same as what others have called "grey"
2. The shift knob was not silver but it was large. As I recall, it was white or cream colored, but I might be mistaken (I actually thought it was kind of ugly...nitpicking again!)
3. On the whole "Buy American" thing...its clear that that term is more fuzzy now than it used to be..I was aware that the Foci are assembled in Mexico..however, its pretty sure that Ford Motor Co and its continued health (or lack thereof) are really critical parts of the American economy, whereas Hyundai is less integral (obviously, there are many American employees of Hyundai USA who would say they are very much part of the US economy). Basically, I wanted to support Ford especially with the zero percent financing, but just felt the Elantra was too good a value to pass up.
4. I've had my GT for about 24 hours now and am enjoying it (what an improvement over my 99 Jeep Cherokee Sport!). I will say that its clear to me now that my initial impressions were right...The ZX5 really has superior handling. Someone said "the Focus seemed to scream, 'lets find a nice twisty two lane and have some FUN!" I agree wholeheartedly...the GT is fun but not quite like the ZX5.
5. Ultimately..the transferrable warranty and giant price difference ($3000 bucks for a similarly equipped vehicle) swayed me, and I convinced myself that depreciation on the vehicles was likely to be similar since Hyundai will improve in that area (neither one will be great at holding value).
I got a call from my Ford dealer when I got home last night, I could tell by his tone it wasn't the "message". Anyway, they have confirmation that the car is coming the first week in December, which is fine. Every other week is more $$$$ for the down payment!
I asked if he had any, he said they had a white one but it sold. He will call if it comes up again.
Meanwhile, today there was a customer in the store who had an infra-red ZX3. He said "Its great, no problems, you'll really dig it." I Have not found anyone who has said they have had major problems with the Focus. I think it was first year teething problems. Even Car and Driver who finished a long term on a wagon said it was "reliable and fun".
By chance, I ended up test driving a Sonata GLS last night. Very nice car, tons of pickup, a gorgeous interior. The nicest was the roomy and comfortable rear seat. I accidentally threw it into a decreasing radius hairpin, and it held well. I can't say the same for the salesman. The Hyundais are really nice these days. A world away from what they used to make. They had a red Elantra GT, I have to say I like the styling of the Focus more. These seem to be main competitors for each other. I am sure the Elantra is more fun to drive than a Cherokee sport! I would pick it over the Liberty for sure.
Focusmatt - How is your ZX3 holding up?
Holly, Is the moonroof a tilt and slide type? I guess it has a sunshade. I would like to know more about it because I havent seen a Focus with a moonroof.
Marc
John
My friend just got an Elantra, and while it's a good car and great bargain, to me it's just another compact. What separates the Focus from the competition are the choices. Whether it's the four body types, dozen exterior colors, or options like the moonroof, 6-CD player, traction control, side airbags, or just a bare-bones system, you can get exactly what you want in a car. Its competitors (Toyota Corolla, Saturn S-series) are BORING. Smaller engines and no extras. I'm considering buying the ZX3 or ZX5 against small midsize cars such as the Chevy Malibu and Mercury Cougar. My only hangup is the engine - I'm used to and in love with my Buick's 3.8 V6, so I don't know if I could do 4 cylinders.
As far as 4 vs 6, power is always nice, but so Is gas milage. All I would say is pick a well designed 4 cylinder. The one in my current car, DOHC 96 Neon, is really good as long as you don't turn on the A/C. And I couldn't imagine driving one with an automatic. On the flipside, I drove a focus automatic rental car and was really pleased with it's performance, even with the a/c on. I've also driven a 2000 Jetta with the base 115 HP engine, and again, not real speedy, but much better than I expected. So....just drive a few till you find what you like.
John