Mazda Protege5 Maintenance and Repair

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  • boggseboggse Member Posts: 1,048
    Run the A/C until the air is cold, then turn it off. As long as you continue to move at a fair speed, the vent air should stay the temperature of the outside air. You just need to cool down the conduit before turning off the A/C.
  • thom77thom77 Member Posts: 2
    Thank you. Yes, it's just loud when starting cold. Your explanation makes sense to me, although I never experienced it with my 4 cyl Saturn.
  • p5rumberop5rumbero Member Posts: 1
    I was driving under normal conditions, my PR5 suddenly stalled and did not accel. for a moment(4-5 seconds). I have a 2003 brand new... anyone had this happen???
  • reitrofreitrof Member Posts: 122
    Is it repeatable or just once?

    If it's repeatable take it back to the dealer. If not don't worry about it.
  • boggseboggse Member Posts: 1,048
    Is your P5 an automatic? If so, this will happen from time to time under specific circumstances. The transmission will hunt around for a gear for a few seconds before engaging. It is possible the adaptive transmission just has not learned your driving style and is in the process of re-programming itself. My Protege5 is my wife's daily driver, so it has to re-program itself every time I drive it, and then again when my wife drives it again. This is one of the unfortunate downsides to driving an automatic. You could always take advantage of the manual mode if you want to have greater control over what gear you are in.

    If you have a standard shift P5, then you should take it to the dealer to get it checked out.
  • bluong1bluong1 Member Posts: 1,927
    also happens if water gets inside the tank. Then the fuel pump is in danger too.
  • bluong1bluong1 Member Posts: 1,927
    that's horrible! I would imagine I was driving an automatic car, and wanted to pass a 18 wheelers on a farmer road with just a single lane for each direction. I had to do it quickly, but then when I decided to accelerate, it takes 2 or 3 second before the car finally reacts! "Damn", I said "forgot wife went to the grocery store yesterday with my car".

    No thanks, give my back my manual car.
  • tetonmantetonman Member Posts: 73
    Not the same problem perhaps, but my 2002.5 P5 experienced a fast decline in RPMs at a complete stop like it was going to stall. It did it again a day later and the check engine light came on. I went to the gas cap, removed it and then put back on tightly. The next time I started the car, the check engine light was off and I have not experienced the problem again. I wonder if you tightened your gas cap enough last fill-up??? (yes I know it sounds crazy, but a cheap fix that saves a trip to dealer is always worth a try first!)

    Good luck.
  • smashersmasher Member Posts: 31
    When I bought my P5 in July, the sales guy made it a point to demonstrate the gas-cap thing a couple of times. "Turn it 'till it clicks," he said.
  • carfan56carfan56 Member Posts: 3
    I find that if I accelerate moderately, the engine and transmission does not respond very crisply. If I do it more aggressively, I have no problem and it is very quick (not as fast as manual trans, maybe). As far as needing to accelerate quickly for passing, I put it into manual mode and downshift it.
  • alitradalitrad Member Posts: 10
    I would like to know if someone had this problem:
    my rear brakes were used outside only and after
    48 000 kms. They told me its normal. Can you help me?
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    Doesn't sound normal to me. They should make sure all parts are moving properly and lubricate them.

    The funny thing is worn outside only. I thought the piston was on the inside, with the caliper floating to make the outer pad bear on the rotor.

    How does the parking brake work? I've heard this cable can sometimes bind, causing the rear brakes to stay engaged, leading to excessive wear and lower fuel economy.
  • cdnp5cdnp5 Member Posts: 163
    There can be a problem with the rears with the pins sticking which will cause excessive wear to the pads. Some people have been able to get them fixed under warranty (myself included) and others haven't. I believe this is caused from dirt and or salt.
    My brakes were fixed at 60,000 kms, pads, rotors and disks.
    Read back a few posts and you should see my messages about this.
  • SporinSporin Member Posts: 1,066
    I had a similar problem, but both pads where toast. Appears that the salt and sand in winter gummed p the pins and they were sticking.

    Make sure to lube everything up really good, and do it again a couple times a year to prevent a repeat of the same issue.

    Dealership claimed it was "normal" despite my protests. Said he couldn't turn the rotors becasue they "are vented" (they ae not, they are solid) and wanted nearly $400 for new rotors, pads, and calipers. Why calpipers? I have no didea, nothing wrong with them.

    Wound up doing them myself for about $150 and a chunk of that was getting pads overnighted from Houston.

    Luckily, that is the only time I've gone to the dealership since I bought the car 43k miles ago. :)
  • bluong1bluong1 Member Posts: 1,927
    how difficult to lub the pins? I never touch the brake once in my life, isn't a risky thing to do for a non-initiated person? If if doesn't require too much work, could you please post some instructions?

    Thanks
  • bballabballa Member Posts: 56
    The radiator fans came on right after my wife started the car. They would turn off for a few seconds then turn on again. The car was idling the whole time and the temp gauge in the car was on the bottom of the scale (cool-normal). This may be normal, I don't know but my wife said she doesn't remember hearing it come on so soon or so often.
  • boggseboggse Member Posts: 1,048
    Do you have the A/C running? If not, do you have the HVAC controls on feet, feet/defrost, or defrost with the fan on any setting other than 0? If so, then the compressor and fan will cycle on and off every several seconds.
  • bballabballa Member Posts: 56
    I suspect that was the case because when the car pulled out of the garage it left a small puddle of water on the floor. I figured my wife had been using the air conditioning, it must have still been on. So, the radiator fans cycle on and off if the air is being used ? Thanks for the info.
  • SporinSporin Member Posts: 1,066
    If you are unfamiliar with the brakes, let someone else do it. This is for the rear brakes and is my best recollection... don't sue me if I missed something. :)

    If you've changed brake pads before, it's really easy. First, get all the right parts from Mazda. Make sure you have the rotors (either new, or turn your old ones, the pads (2 on each side) and the little metal backers for each pad. Plus 4 spring clips that hold the new pads in... DON'T reuse the old ones!

    Jack up the car and secure it on jackstands.

    Take off the wheel, 2 bolts to remove the caliper. (around the back) Pull the caliper apart. Pull out the old pads and clips and clean the whole assembly with brake cleaner or degreaser. Then put the new clips in.

    Use a pair of pliers and TURN the piston until it's all the way back in. If you don't do this, you won't have room for the new pads. Careful around that rubber boot.

    Fill the caliper boots with hi-temp brake grease (thick). Push it back together and begin the finger dance of getting the new pads in in the small spaces. Make sure they are far enough apart to allow them to fit over the rotor. Don't forget the metal pieces that lightly clip on the back of the pads.

    Put the rotor in the caliper and it holds the whole assembly on at the lug studs. Wiggle everything around and re-bolt the caliper back on. Put the wheel back on. Test it slowly in your driveway or a side street to make sure everything is working.

    You'll need to get a 10mm deep socket and tighten the little nut under the trim by your ebrake handle. This tightens back up the ebrake.

    I'll stress again though... If you are unfamiliar with the brakes, let someone else do it.
  • dwryterdwryter Member Posts: 87
    My 1.5-year-old 2002 P5 with about 13k miles is much noisier on the freeway now than it was in its first few hundred miles. I know there's a TSB (technical service bulletin) out for noise caused by a poor windshield seal and wonder if anyone has had his/hers repaired, and how much that repair helped. There also seems to be a nontrivial amount of noise coming from somewhere in the rear area. Anyone else have that going on?
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  • protojasonprotojason Member Posts: 13
    Well, it finally happened.

    I was driving to work, driving somewhat more conservatively than usual when I hear it....rattttle. I think to myself, "I've never heard that in this song before" so I first turn the radio down, then off.

    My fear is confirmed. It's my car. It cant be! I'm at a stop light, I turn of the AC.......quiet...rev it in neutral....RATTTLE!

    I drive the rest of the day with no stereo trying to isolate the location and under what conditions it would occur so I could reproduce it at the dealership should that become necessary.

    I'd just finished a 600 mile roadtrip with nary a rattle the previous day! So that night I pulled into my driveway...pop the hood (like I'm really gonna find anything..hah! i'm a bike tech...not a car guy!)

    I notice it was coming from the front left....kinda banged on the fender....rattle....bend closer...wiggle this, wiggle that....what's this bolt do?

    Eureka! Turns out the red sway bar crossing the top of the engine had a bolt that was finger-loose. I hand tightened it....problem solved. So I just snugged up all four, (found 2 loose ones). I assume tighter is better than loose.

    Was back to it's spunky free-reving rattlefree self today, and it's owner fancies himself quite the mechanic.

    Now...about that anticipated variable intermintent windshield wiper mod....

    ---Jason
  • bluong1bluong1 Member Posts: 1,927
    Thanks! Don't worry, I'll be careful and I won't sue anybody while I'm responsible for taking the brake off. I'll do it after the winter in 6 months. For now I'll save your instruction.
  • nickg4bruinsnickg4bruins Member Posts: 12
    I have a 2003 P5 with under 9000 miles on it, and I’m not very hard on the brakes or the gas. Over the past month or so I’ve noticed that when my car has been sitting for several hours and I start driving, there will be a squeaking noise coming from the area of my brakes. It usually disappears after about 100 feet but is quite annoying in the meantime. Has anybody else experienced this or have any suggestions? The sound isn’t loud enough to indicate that the brake pads are worn down and need replacing, and like I said, I am very easy on the brakes.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    Could be rust on the rotors (normal), could be you need some dampening grease behind your brake pad clips.

    Could also be the parking brake cable may be sticking, or your caliper pins are sticking. Grease them if they are. Use a hi-temp grease rated for use on brakes.

    Most likely it's surface rust on the rotors, especially if you park outdoors.
  • cdnp5cdnp5 Member Posts: 163
    It could also be your rear brakes. You might want to check them as they could be sticking. This is what happened to mine.
  • kizehkizeh Member Posts: 15
    Okay... This is kind of silly, but one of my low beams burned out. Now, the manual has simple instructions for changing bulbs: 1) pull off the cable connector, 2) pull off the rubber seal, 3) undo the latch, 4) pull out the bulb (5) remove bulb carrier).

    I, however, had a really hard time completing step 1. The darn power connector is like glued. The fact that the space between the coolant reservoir/washer fluid tank is pretty tight, and the spring loaded latch gives doesn't help either. Any tips or tricks on how to pull that thing off?

    Also, any tips and tricks on aligning the lights properly?
  • 5port5port Member Posts: 395
    Very important NOT to pull on the connector with the bulb still in the housing as you are going to deform that spring clip that holds it in place. Unclip the bulb first by pushing the spring clip down (towards the housing) then to the side. Once the bulb is free pull it and the connector out of the housing. Now you can use all the force you want to pull the connector off of the bulb. When installing the new bulb (careful not to touch the glass) seat the spring clip first then install the connector on the bulb. Hope this helps.
  • vilainefemmevilainefemme Member Posts: 49
    My two cents, don't throw that black connector piece away. I did that once. Duh! I think it cost me like $13 for a replacement from Mazda. Learned my lesson though.

    The headlight on the driver's side is way easier than the passenger side, more room to work. I just changed the passenger side and got a blister, almost impaled my finger on the spring clip, and now my fingertips are numb from trying to push the clip back into place. I promised myself that if the passenger side ever goes again, I'll take it in for the maintenance crew to take care of.

    I had some comments at work because this is now I think the third time I've replaced a headlight, two on the driver's side and one on the passenger side. I've had the car since March 2002. Coworkers said they think that's a lot, they've never had to replace a headlight, etc. What do y'all think? How many times (if ever) have you replaced a headlight and how long have you had the car?

    Jessica
  • bluong1bluong1 Member Posts: 1,927
    My P5: June 2001, burning bulbs: 0.
  • dinu01dinu01 Member Posts: 2,586
    I had to replace 2 rear brake lights in my PRO ES this summer.

    I wouldn't worry about it.

    Dinu
  • jmcknight2jmcknight2 Member Posts: 47
    - I was going to change the oil and filter on my P5 last night, but I gave up when I saw where the filter is located. Do any of you do this job yourselves? I know I've read here about the filter being unnecessarily tight, but are there any other problems or suggestions?
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    I change the oil on our '99 Pro LX and our '03 P5. The filters are tight at first, really tight. I got it off in my '99, I sent it to the dealer for the '03 because the lower strut brace prevented me from applying enough torque to remove the oil filter. After that, it's been fairly easy, but I have ramps and a creeper. In fact, on my '99, I don't even have to use a creeper because the 1.6L engine leaves me enough room to access it from the top.

    I haven't had to replace a bulb in either vehicle. I've had the LX since Jan '99 and my wife has had her P5 since Jan '03. I think it varies a lot from vehicle to vehicle (you might have more vibration in yours) and from bulb to bulb (I've had headlamp bulbs last anywhere from a month to 7 years). That's why I always keep a couple extra in the cars (and a flashlight in case I have to change one at night).
  • reitrofreitrof Member Posts: 122
    vilainefemme

    I have never changed a bulb in any car since having halogen bulbs. I have changed them but only for trying out new types, not because a bulb burned.

    In my experience they break due to some sort of water or dust leakage into the headlamp itself.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    Use alcohol and a clean disposable towel, if you need to clean them. Surface oils can create hot (relative to the rest of it) spots on the glass, which will cause it to crack and perhaps shatter.
  • jmcknight2jmcknight2 Member Posts: 47
    - I think I'll take in the P5 for its first oil change. Maybe they won't tighten that filter as tight as it is from the factory. Besides, I've got a lighter socket that's worked loose and needs repair. Wondered why the cell phone wasn't charging!
  • sophiarsophiar Member Posts: 3
    My P5 is only three weeks old. I too am experiencing the "bumpy" ride. This is my first experience with the "low profile, high performance" tires which come standard on the P5. The dealer suggests I have the tire pressure checked (I've read posted messages on this subject); and that because of the these tires, and the tighter "sport" suspension, that the "rougher" ride is normal. Is this really true? Is the only answer to getting a smoother ride = tire pressure ... or dumping the tires and purchasing a whole set of different ones?
    I am not a car officionado ... so please keep answers simple. Thanks! :-)
  • bluong1bluong1 Member Posts: 1,927
    Yes, the P5 suspension is sporty and harsher than the average car, but it will gets smother with your miles.

    The tire pressure also has great impact on the ride smoothness: higher pressure -> harsher and vice versa. Sometime dealer delivers a new car and forgets to control the tire pressure (the tire pressure was set high before delivery in order to prevent any damage during transportation and dealer supposes to lower them before giving the key to the costumer.) Please check your tires and set them to 32 psi, back and front.

    Bruno
  • sophiarsophiar Member Posts: 3
    Thanks for your comment. Visiting the service dept. tomorrow and will keep your info in mind when speaking with the mechanic. The more miles the better eh? I'll keep that in mind as well :)
  • boggseboggse Member Posts: 1,048
    That only helps to a point. There are better tire options out there for the P5. The OEM Dunlops won't last long, so I would wait to replace them. It won't be too long a wait.

    To make yourself feel better about the "harshness" of the ride in your P5, ask the dealer for a test drive in a Miata with the sport suspension while you wait. The P5 will seem like a Buick in comparison afterwards.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    If you're willing to give up some handling, you could always "downgrade" your wheels to 15 v. 16inches. Check to make sure the new wheels clear the brake calipers and have the proper offset. Then you can get tires with taller sidewalls, which will soften the ride more.

    It's easier to try replacing the stock tires when they wear with a performance, touring or passenger tire. Of course, not many are made in the 50-aspect ratio in the touring and passenger categories.

    If you don't do much high-speed driving (over 45mph), then you can lower the tire pressures below 32psi. I'd put them back to at least 32psi before getting on any freeway though. I don't recommend doing this, but many folks drive around with under-pressure tires without even giving it a second thought. Of course, every now and then, one of their tires blows on the freeway due to excessive heat build-up from excessive flexing.
  • dwryterdwryter Member Posts: 87
    Sophia, I suggest you buy a tire guage and adjust the air pressure yourself at the local gas station. Get either the round type with needle-on-dial or a digital. Don't get the pencil type, which tire shops and dealers use; they're hard to read. Whenever my car is in for service I ask the mechanic to put 35 psi in all tires (figuring it's easier for me to later adjust down than up). I always recheck when I get the car back and the pressures always vary widely, even between individual tires. This is one of those things you must do yourself if you want it done right.
  • sophiarsophiar Member Posts: 3
    well, i've taken the car to the dealer to discuss tire pressure, suspension, shocks etc. as it turns out all tires are at the required 32psi and final out-the-door comment was that the P5 has a rougher, bumpier ride, that after some time and more miles, it should soften up a bit -- and by then i should be used to it (I'm at 600+ right now) so I've got a ways to go. And there's always the option of purchasing a different set of tires once the stock tires wear out. Case closed. i'll go out and by a cushy cushion and a tire gauge ...
  • phoenixmp5phoenixmp5 Member Posts: 60
    I was looking through my previous posts and came across one I had posted @ 10,000 miles "no problems and loving it"! Unfortunately since then, I have had my moon roof come of its track (8 weeks for parts delivery and the headliner rattles uncontrollably, in spite my several trips top the dealer), an intermitantly failing radio (wouldn't repeat the problem at the dealer.....ever. Replaced with Alpine). A/C switch works intermitantly in # 2 position (again, the problem can't be recreated at the dealer, so I', always selecting # 1 or # 3 positions), drivers power door lock broke and was replaced by the dealer, water pump drive belt came off wrapping itself around the pulley and 2nd belt,breaking both of them leaving me in an over heated/stranded state in the middle of a 118 degree day in Phoenix (by the time the light turned on, it was overheating!!!!).

    I'm beginning to feel as though FORD had more to do with the Protege than I though.

    3,4000 not so trouble free miles and due to the rapid loss in value am stuck with a car I no longer trust.

    PhoenixMP5

    I now have 34,000
  • boggseboggse Member Posts: 1,048
    Wow! I am sorry to hear about your problems. If the dealer cannot fix your issues, I suggest you call Mazda Customer Care at 1-800-222-5500 to see what they can do for you.

    It is a bummer about the moonroof. I haven't heard of that happening before on a Protege(5).

    Replacing the radio is probably a good thing anyway. I am sure the Alpine is much nicer.

    Have they replaced the fan switch yet? If so, then the problem is probably in a relay further back in the dash.

    I hate to see a belt break like that. Did you have the belts checked at 30,000 miles? If so, then the service department should be liable. If it happened before 30k, then the belt was probably faulty. At least the P5 has a non-interference engine, so you didn't have to pay for any bent valves.

    Be sure to keep us up to date on your successes/failures in getting these problems fixed.

    Ted
  • phoenixmp5phoenixmp5 Member Posts: 60
    Good point about the belts. I had the 30,000 mile service performed at 29,800 and the dealer "inspected" the belts. They broke at 32,000. The AC/Fan switch continues to be a problem and unless the problem is duplicated, the service department won't change anything. Unfortunately, The problem only occurs when I've been driving around on hot days. Twice, I pulled into a nearby Mazda dealer when the AC light was blinking and system failing to cool. Both times, the problem cleared up before I could get the mechanic to my car. Grrrrrr.

    I've also had my dealer look at the problem, when I've had them attempt to correct the headliner squeak/rattle problem, which occurred after the moon roof was repaired and they found nothing... and repaired neither the switch, nor the headliner noise.

    In fairness to Mazda and the Protege, I have had no mechanical problems with the engine and transmission. Just a number of un-resolvable and very annoying little stuff.

    Ryan
  • rocketbikerrocketbiker Member Posts: 1
    Sophiar, my Protege5 has also had a stiff ride and has tended to get my back sore. But after over 7000 miles, the ride has become more compliant and comfortable. A car like the Toyota Matrix has a softer ride, but doesn't handle nearly as well as the Mazda. On test drives I was always squealing the tires on the Focus, and the handling felt tipsy. A little bit of a stiff ride is worth it for the excellent and secure handling of the Protege5.

    As far as my back, I found that tilting up the lower seat cushion helped, I had it tilted all the way down originally. Also I bought for 11 bucks a lumbar support that also sits you up a little higher, as well as protecting the seat fabric.
  • proxynameproxyname Member Posts: 1
    I've read some of the older posts on this board regarding transmissions and acceleration issues but I'm not sure if I'm experiencing something that's already been discussed. I just bought a 2003.5 P5 AT (<200 miles) and I have some gripes about the transmission. When I let the automatic handle the shifting, it kicks out of first gear relatively quickly, but then the engine just sort of hangs (low rpm) for a second or two in second gear before actually winding up. This does not happen when going from second to third or third to fourth.

    If I try shifting in manual, I have a different problem: there is a delay of about a second when shifting from first gear to second gear (although once engaged, the engine doesn't hang once as it does in automatic). Again, no problems going from second to third or third to fourth--the shifting for these transitions is fairly instantaneous.

    Does anybody know if these are common behaviors for the P5, or is it worth taking to the dealer for a look?
  • boggseboggse Member Posts: 1,048
    Mine does not exhibit this behavior. It shifts fine from 1-2 in auto and manual modes. I would ask your dealer to take a look.

    Ted
  • inarushinarush Member Posts: 2
    Own a 2002 Protege 5 and just took it in to dealership because of an annoying brake squeal caused by the pads sticking. With 35000km my rear rotors and pads were toast. My dealer replaced them free of charge saying this is now a common problem on the 5s. Everybody should keep an eye on this because after 40000km mazda says they won't cover it.
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