I did a search on GM BuyPower for GXP availability at Boston area dealerships. It seems that there are only about 4 or 5 GXPs in this area. (I also searched from a zip code in CT and one in FLA, and availability is no better in either of those two places).
Based on this search, they are only delivering Black, Graystone Metallic and the GXP-only Dark Cherry Metallic to New England. Every one had the side curtain airbag option, which I do want. I did just learn that the GXP only comes in the black interior, which is somewhat disappointing as I wanted the Parchment color. I do find it wierd that the leather and "Ultralux Suede" interior is listed as an extra cost option on the itemized list when you "build" the car (On GMBuyPower), yet as far as I can tell you can only get the GXP this way.
I'd like to see this car in person in the Dark Cherry Metallic. I think this car really needs a metallic paint to help keep it from more easily looking like a rental fleet car to the untrained eye. I really wish it came in a deep metallic blue. The extra cost blue-green color just doesn't seem to work except for in certain angles in daylight. Otherwise it has a low-rent look to it in my eyes.
The other thing I think I'd do is have the dealer remove the "Grand Prix" chrome letters from the lower left trunk lid. It seems to be too big, for one thing, and I'd rather either have nothing there, or another one of the GXP logos there, with the "V8" over on the right hand side. I like that the rear bumper does not have "Pontiac" embossed in it. Nothing wrong with Pontiac, it's just that a cleaner look is "in" these days.
Robh3 - don't get to excited about Buypower; they have been saying a local (the only one in the PDX metro area) has had a Dark Cherry GXP for two weeks - it still has not arrived. The 2002 40th anniversary GP was in the Dark Cherry so you can do a search on Google/Yahoo to find some pics. Sort of a Purple I'd call it. Black or Graystone look good on the GP. I do like the blue-green, but wish it was a shade or two darker. Most beautiful car I have owned to date was a Teal 96 Bonne with Teal leather interior. It was gorgeous and got a compliment from everyone who rode in it. I've never forgiven the wife for making me trade it in on her Volvo. Limiting interior colors has been a very disappointing cost saving move for GM consumers. But with generous discounts and rebates I suppose I could recover the seats with a color of my choice!
“I did a search on GM BuyPower for GXP availability at Boston area dealerships. It seems that there are only about 4 or 5 GXPs in this area. (I also searched from a zip code in CT and one in FLA, and availability is no better in either of those two places). “
Detroit and ‘upper MidWest’ seem to have lots of them. I have seen production numbers for 2005 GXP of only 5-600. I am seriously considering waiting to order a 2006.
Jim Causley in Michigan (for example) has several in stock, in different colors. . .
“I did just learn that the GXP only comes in the black interior, which is somewhat disappointing as I wanted the Parchment color.”
2006 interior color added for GXP: ‘31B Sand’ or 313 – perhaps one is leather and one is cloth? I have seen no examples of this color – so I do not know if it is in any way similar to Parchment.
- Ray Finding such a very limited, very late 2005 run of the GXP and (um) ‘interesting’ marketing strategy . . .
I meant to respond earlier – but wanted to check a source. Source appears to have disappeared, but . .
“and does the DOD work both in cruising mode at highway speeds and for idling around town? the info supplied on the pontiac site says DOD will operate in both modes.”
1 - Where do you see that statement?
2 - Listening to this V8 at idle, I do NOT believe that it deactivates cylinders at idle.
I do not have a source for this quote, but I believe that it is accurate:
“Displacement on Demand (DoD) System Description To provide maximum fuel economy under light load driving conditions, the engine control module (ECM) will command the displacement on demand (DoD) system to deactivate engine cylinders 1 and 7 on the left bank, and cylinders 4 and 6 on the right bank, switching to a V4 mode. The engine will operate on 8 cylinders, or V8 mode, during engine starting, engine idling, and medium to heavy throttle applications. “
- Ray A bit uncomfortable providing information without verification . . .
“What do you mean by - "‘interesting’ marketing strategy"? . . .
If you wait for an 06 the price will most likely go up and the rebates, initially, will be less.
Do you get a GM discount at all?”
I get no GM discount. (sigh)
By ‘interesting’, I mean producing 500 or 600 units at the very end of the 2005 model year, and allowing current GP rebates to apply to a new model variation when 2006 production will start so soon, seems rather odd to me. And Pontiac even published a rather expensive looking (fold out to a poster) GXP specific brochure.
Why not wait a couple of more months and introduce it as a 2006 – as with the Impala SS and Monte Carlo SS, the other models with essentially the same (new) drivetrain. And the GXP (obviously) has even more extensive mechanical changes than these others.
Now that I have (finally) driven one, I cannot order one. Weird.
Perhaps GM wanted initial ‘Beta Testers’ of the DoD V8 / ‘improved trans.’ drivetrain? But I’d think it is really too late to substantially address any issues that might actually arise and be reported and analyzed by early buyers - in time for 2006 MY startup.
And introducing something like the GXP, and (almost) immediately increasing the MSRP, with no added content for 2006, would make little sense (to me). But they my indeed do that, too.
I do agree that (initially) the 2006 GXP will likely NOT have a rebate available. That’s one reason that I am ‘torn’. Buy a 2005 – or wait and order a 2006. Is a 2006, with only the most minor detail changes, worth $2,500 more ($3,500 in most other parts of the country) than a 2005?
I like the Graystone exterior – and it will not be available for 2006. That probably does not constitute $2,500 value – to me. Being the first on my block to have a GXP is worth essentially $0.00 – to me. I do not need a new car – I just want a new car. I would enjoy this new car. But I can wait. I just don’t want to wait.
Again, the timing here just all strikes me as rather odd.
Do you really think they'll increase the pricing on the GXP for MY 2006? I thought GM was all about adjusting their pricing to better reflect market pricing, and reduce (not eliminate, reduce) incentives. Given the 300C and Charger, they can't increase pricing/reduce incentives without becoming uncompetitive with those vehicles, among others.
I can get you GM In The Driveway pricing, if your dealer will accept it (they are not required to). This is the same as the Supplier price (IOW, GM employee price plus 4.5%).
I have had some email discussions with the former product manager for the GXP (who has subsequently left GM - was involved with the GTO as well)...
It is somewhat odd that they introduce a new variant so late in the year. The Bonneville GXP was rolled out in the same fashion. First ones reached dealer lots in March 04 and 05 production began I believe in June.
Think twice before you ( buy this GXP. Look at my post about all the problems I had with the quality of a 2004 GTP which I finally traded. The car listed for $28000 when new and the Kelly Blue Book value in Apr. 2005 was $14000. I should have bought a Nissan Maxima (which I was considering). The Pontiac is FRONT WHEEL Drive, with cheap interior materials and questionable quality control. Look at Consumers Reports Reliability for Grand Prix supercharged. But, hey, it's your money.
thanks for the info...from what i have read from a very reliable source, dod only operates at cruising speeds. the question i posed was due to something i read on the pontiac web site that led me to believe that dod would operate under idle conditions, once the engine reached operating conditions. it's too bad, imo, that the dod DOESN'T operate in idle conditions, which is the type of driving that myself and lots of other people operate cars in. i geuss the idle characteristics aren't the greatest and based on what happened the last time gm tried this technology, i can understand why they wanted to be conservative with it's application. jackg 90seville 97k
Every place I have seen thorough published analysis of the new DoD technology also has 1 or more message boards, so I cannot refer you, but there is a bunch of information about how it works, the design goals, the lessons learned from the 8-6-4 Caddy effort, etc.
I am looking forward to additional feedback from testers (and owners) regarding how successful GM was in addressing these concerns in the 'real world'.
I am interested in how well the transitions are managed. And my understanding is that the V4 mode is timed. At some maximum duration, it will revert to V8 mode.
I am also interested in the technology they utilized to make the V4 mode at cruise sound "ok". . .
During my test drive, I was focused on several other things. . . - Ray Willing to give up a wee bit of additional 'waste' in fuel at idle, to hear a V8 - and not a V4 . .
I chose the 2005 GTO over 2005 GXP. I had a 2004 Loaded CompG company car. GTO is the best car Pontiac has in terms of build quality-interior quality. It wasn't made here. Interior and seats in the GTO is one of the best in GM's lineup period, quoting Car and Driver.
Sorry, the GTO's steering handling is superior to the GXP. Not the Magnasteer of the GXP which feels fake and artificial. They have improved it but enough. Front wheel drive equals torque steer and understeer. That 303hp has some nasty torque steer on it.
GTO's backseat is 10x more comfortable then GXP, go figure! It has the same 37" of rear legroom too. It is a pain to get in and out of GTO backseat, but once you are there, much superior to the GXP/Compg.
REAL performance cars have rear or all wheel drive and near 50/50 weight distrubition not front drive and a 65/35 weight distribution like GXP!
That said GXP is a nice car. But GTO is that much better and isn't really much more $$, getting Corvette drivetrain.
Highway ride is BETTER in the GTO then my Comp G was. BMW 5 series like in GTO.
I agree, the interior in the Grand Prix is CHEAP!!! Improvement over 1997-2003, but that was Very cheap.
CR rated the Kia Amanti/SG350 as overall better then Grand Prix, LOL! That tells you something.
If you want a Front Drive performance Sedan, buy the Maxima, hold it's value better, won't look like a rental car. better build quality and you can get manual shift if you wish.
if i were to buy a new car at this time the gxp would be on the list. along with the avalon, the maxima, and that's about it. i'm just under 6'4'" 200 lbs and i creak alot...so size is of the essence when picking a car. i need four doors so that eliminates alot of choices and i'm always looking for a deal. i want as much interior space for the driver in the smallest package and still get 4 doors.
when i look at the gxp i see the following (compared to my front runner the avalon): a rather cheap interior, a lack of content of items that i'm looking for (hid's and a multi speed automatic...four gears just isn't enough, imo), a decent size overall with good numbers for fitment in the driver's seat. but most of all, what i see is the gxp's biggest asset: THE ENGINE!! THAT'S why i would buy the gxp over the avalon...it's got a v8 for god's sake and as far as i'm concerned, for the type of driving i do (around town, stop light to stop stuff) i'll take a pushrod v8 anyday over any v6...i've shamed some seriuously expensive hardware with my 4.5 in the seville but i pick my battles...i know my engine's strong suit.
the only point i am trying to make is there's alot of apples/oranges going on...there's no replacement for displacement...bottom line. that's not to say i wouldn't buy the avalon, but i know that i would not be getting that instant punch away from a stop light without thrashing the motor to 6k...VERY uncool.
imo, the gxp is a good deal...lot's of good stuff at a competitive price...i just don't know if i can get around the interior being so chintzy and the lack of xenons'.
another apple/orange: the gto is a great car with a beautiful interior and great performance; but, it's two doors...the gxp is four... jackg 90seville 97k
To me the two cars appeal to differnt types of buyers. The Avalon has a ot of features and is fast but it's no sports sedan. The GXP appeals to a younger demographic in my opinion. It looks aggressive and rides on 18" rims. I dont think the Avalon was made to be driven the way the GXP can be driven. To a person of my age the Avalon isnt even on the radar. It's kind of like a Buick only not as attractive. The GXP is what it is. We all know you can get a 300C or 330 and have RWD but neither car is much faster and the GXP is bound to be more rare. The 300C is a dime a dozen where I live so it has no exclusivity. The GXP will be slightly slower, but its a smaller, lighter car, gets better mileage and undoubtedly handles better. The 330 or G35 are great cars but their base prices are close to the price of a lightly optioned GXP plus we all know the transaction price on a GXP would be much lower than either of those cars. I do wish it had HIDs but I dont know if I would base a decision on that alone. People keep complaining about the GXP being FWD but no one is complaining about the Maxima, Avalon or TL.
yep...i would agree with that assessment...i am older and the comfort level is of prime consideration. fwd versus rwd is a non issue with me...they both have their attributes and their negatives...since size of the overall package inside and out are important to me, i try to look at all comers. another plus for the gxp over the avalon would be the handling....BUT, after seeing the pictures of those beautiful rims and the red calipers,i just KNOW i would be down there on my hands and knees cleaning the xxxx out of them constantly...that is a drawback to me....see, i told you i'm older.
i have always liked the grand prix for being a decent compromise between a nice ride and decent handling...l like it a bunch more since they put the small block (in aluminum, no less!!) in it. jackg 90seville 97k
AutoWeek Mag (May 30th edition) had a GP GXP for a week. They have a couple of their driver's opinions on page 11. Typical comments on the interior ("mixed bag") and both would chose the GTO over the GTP since they are close at MSRP. One compared it with an Altima SE-R he drove back-to-back with the GXP. He thought the GXP would be "more satisfying" over the long haul. I'd have to agree with him on driving the GTO over the GXP - but if you got wife and kids and dog - the GXP might be the closet sleeper of the neighborhood. Checkout the link in a few days and see if it is posted. http://www.autoweek.com/department.cms?departmentId=13
Rides much smoother than the 04 GTP I traded. Better overall Quality . $3,500 Rebate! Cons: None so far! In case anyone is wondering the V8 will take regular gas.
The car has plently of power and handles like a dream. I can't image paying big $ for a BMW for the same if not better performance. Plus my GXP has more class! Pontiac made improvements to the O5 model that make it even better! I'm glad about the dual climate control, remote start and quite and smoother ride. The GXP is wider and handles like dream!. The V8 purrs and has power to spare. I highly recommend it! Go test dive and and the only thing left to think about is the color! Great job Pontiac!
Gas guzzler tax on an automatic '05 GTO is $1300, not $2300 (was $1000 on the '04's - and note that there's no guzzler tax on the stick GTO, but that's a $695 option compared to the auto).
Just picked up my Greystone GXP this past Sat. Had to drive from Austin to Dallas through heavy rain to go and get it.
Got a surprise when I looked for the doughnut spare and found the can of fix-a-flat and compressor. My speakers also hiss (like static from a blank radio station) when there is no power, like when I just open the door and the lights come on. Last for about 10 seconds and is just barely audible. Any ideas.
Anyone have the 5.3L V8 engine specs? Just wanted to see the numbers especially compression since it is suggested to use 91 octane and 5.3L V8 of past SUV's/trucks get away with 87 for about the same HP.
Anyone have any suggestions on a suede cleaner and protector? All the leather products specifically say not to use on suede. Any suggestions on other products would be appreciated. As a previous owner of a 97 GTP and former reader of Grandprix.net mailing list, I've used Zaino Bros for the past 8 years. Might be looking to make a switch to something without that many steps.
Congrats on your new GXP. I almost went for another Greystone but it had the navigation package that I didn't want. The owners manual has the answers to your questions. The V8 will run on regular gas but high octane is recommended for top performance. The suede can be cleaned with warm water and mild dishwashing soap. I regards to your radio, your car is under warranty so your dealer should fix it. Does anyone know the V8 hp? Some say 290 and Pontiac sales says 303?
ANAHEIM, Calif. - Pontiac announced production plans for the 2005 Grand Prix GXP - a high-performance sedan equipped with more refined interior appointments, distinctive exterior appearance, sport-tuned suspension and a new 5.3-liter LS4 V-8 engine producing an estimated 303 horsepower. The all-aluminum LS4 is based on the Gen IV small-block architecture, but is modified to accommodate the "east-west" mounting position of the Grand Prix's front-wheel-drive chassis. To fit the "sideways" positioning in the Grand Prix, several changes were made to reduce the engine's overall length, including the use of a shorter crankshaft and a single-belt accessory drive system.
Other LS4 features include: Aluminum engine block with cross-bolted main bearing caps Aluminum high-flow cylinder heads similar to the 6.0-liter LS2 V8 Full-floating pistons Lightweight, three-piece friction-welded composite intake manifold 10:1 compression ratio for fuel-efficient performance Unique camshaft designed to accommodate DOD technology Electronic throttle control integrated with new engine controller GM Oil Life System to minimize required oil changes Iridium-tipped spark plugs for 100,000 mile service
Quick reflexes Complementing the torque and horsepower of the LS4 V-8 is a revamped suspension that takes the Grand Prix GXP's road feel to a more responsive level. Bilstein gas-charged struts provide precise damping control and higher rate springs help improve the driver's connection to the road. A ride height reduction of approximately 9 mm and a new 17.2-mm hollow rear stabilizer bar help the GXP negotiate turns with less body roll.
Thanks for your replies - Here's another question:
Top speed for the GXP? Either estimated or actual or if its limited. W-rated tires have max at 168, but I think GM would have limited the speed before that max.
Of course, the new incentives are significantly less than they used to be. And, GMAC interest rates are up. So, this may not be the screaming deal everyone thinks it is. Depends on the car and how overstocked GM is (trucks/SUV's are probably still pretty well discounted since they seem to be the things not moving).
I think that includes all the rebates. I checked against their example cars (Saab wagon models) and the prices are just $800 under invoice.
I think the new rebate on the GXP is $2,000 so the price is $26,696 compared to invoice at $27,502.
For my GXP with MSRP of $33,395 (30,530 invoice) minus the $3,500 in rebates, I was quoted $27,198 or $27,698 with the national advertising fee. It seems some dealers have the fee listed on the invoice and others don't. Anyway, due to the change in the rebate, the prices almost work to be the same.
If you use the link I provided, I do not think that includes rebates. Go through other models and usually the discount is around 10-13% off sticker. Prices for the GP seem to be much lower (percentage wise) than most other vehicles.
According to the news article in GM.com, the price includes all available incentives and rebates. I guess if you want to get a good price on a car, it's good to live in truck country. Of course, I never saw a GXP (or a comp G) before I went to buy mine.
I bought my first GP at GMS. GMS is stock price. Meaning the car must be on the lot or "in stock". GMO price applies if you order one. The GMO price is slightly higher than GMS. All manf. rebates apply on top of the GMS discount. For example-
GMS= 28,000 + 3500.00( mfg.rebate) = 24500.00.
The best thing about using GMS (if your lucky enough to belong to GM Friends and Family ) is that its no haggle which makes for a pleasant sales experience.
I got bent over on my latest buy because of 2 factors. I was upside down in my 04 GTP and I no longer qualified for GMS. Oh well, I prefer the GXP and hope to have it for a long time!
2 – there is no limiter, but there are warnings displayed in the HUD – and any extended running at such high speed may result in engine oil / trans. fluid exceeding thresholds that will result in (save the driveline) shutdown . .
- from typically reliable sources.
Either would work fine for me. The (somewhat) theoretical top speed at 6,000 rpm in third gear is approx. 154.5 mph. The (even more) theoretical top speed at 6,000 rpm in fourth gear would be approx. 217. - Ray Never having exceeded 155 – in a car. . .
There is also now a ‘button’ (just above where there has been ‘Window Sticker’ & ‘Request a Quote’ buttons) that says: ‘Get GM Employee Discount Price.’
Note that it shows GMS price less the $2,000 current rebate.
- Ray Thinking at this price, resistance is futile . . .
I just bought a Graystone Metallic GXP and will be picking it up on Wed, June 8. I lucked out because it did NOT have the 2300 DVD navigation in it (which I didn't want), but did have a sunroof, MP3 CD, remote start and all the other goodies I wanted. It listed for 32,525 and I paid 26,888 after GMS and the 2000 dollar rebate. I was going to wait for an 06, but I couldn't resist at these prices. I don't think there is another car out there right now that is a better value - 303 HP, 0-60 in under 6 seconds, 28MPG on the highway, 16 cu ft of trunk space, and generous legroom under 27K. I'd be happy to answer any questions after I pick it up.
"be happy to answer any questions after I pick it up. "
1 - Congrats - and Best of luck! 2 - If you have XM (I see you have a sunroof) would you please remove the antenna 'head' and let me know if this causes a SIGNIFICANT increase in wind noise with the sunroof in 'Vent'? (Dealer I went to last night kept it in plastic in the glovebox - due to recent thefts!) Thanks, - Ray Not making much progress in negotiations . .
Congrats also to a fellow Greystone owner. This will probably be a very rare color since it isn't available in 06.
Ray- I have XM and don't quite understand what you mean. The removable antenna head that the dealer had in plastic which I screwed in on the front of the roof line is for Onstar so everyone will have the short antenna. XM has a block antenna on the back of the roof line which I don't believe can be removed unless you plug the hole in the roof with something.
Agreed that GMS sets a (maximum) price. Basically trade in value and doc fee ($75 pre GMS or typical $300+). - Ray Wanting all I can get for as little outlay as possible ( = cheap?)
"Ray- I have XM and don't quite understand what you mean. The removable antenna head that the dealer had in plastic which I screwed in on the front of the roof line is for Onstar"
Aha. I was mis-informed by the salesperson. I have never had a car with either OnStar or XM. Sorry. . . And thanks for the correction! - Ray Still wondering if the noise was caused by this - or some sort of individual mis-fitting related to the sunroof as installed in this car . .
Does anybody have definitive, I mean reliable, "insider" information as to what changes/deletions/additions will be on the 2006 GXP vs. the limited-run '05s?
I've heard that the Graystone Metallic color will not be offered (strange, as it's a color that's "in-vogue" and this car looks good in it), and I've heard there will be some addition of brushed aluminum trim on the interior/dash (not sure if it's real or faux). In principle I like the idea of the addition of the brushed aluminum trim on the interior.
Given GM's troubles of late with lagging sales, I'm fairly confident that the price on this vehicle won't be going up. In fact, based on what I've read, the sticker prices on GM vehicles may even come down to be more in line with what people are actually paying.
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Based on this search, they are only delivering Black, Graystone Metallic and the GXP-only Dark Cherry Metallic to New England. Every one had the side curtain airbag option, which I do want. I did just learn that the GXP only comes in the black interior, which is somewhat disappointing as I wanted the Parchment color. I do find it wierd that the leather and "Ultralux Suede" interior is listed as an extra cost option on the itemized list when you "build" the car (On GMBuyPower), yet as far as I can tell you can only get the GXP this way.
I'd like to see this car in person in the Dark Cherry Metallic. I think this car really needs a metallic paint to help keep it from more easily looking like a rental fleet car to the untrained eye. I really wish it came in a deep metallic blue. The extra cost blue-green color just doesn't seem to work except for in certain angles in daylight. Otherwise it has a low-rent look to it in my eyes.
The other thing I think I'd do is have the dealer remove the "Grand Prix" chrome letters from the lower left trunk lid. It seems to be too big, for one thing, and I'd rather either have nothing there, or another one of the GXP logos there, with the "V8" over on the right hand side. I like that the rear bumper does not have "Pontiac" embossed in it. Nothing wrong with Pontiac, it's just that a cleaner look is "in" these days.
Rob
Black or Graystone look good on the GP. I do like the blue-green, but wish it was a shade or two darker. Most beautiful car I have owned to date was a Teal 96 Bonne with Teal leather interior. It was gorgeous and got a compliment from everyone who rode in it. I've never forgiven the wife for making me trade it in on her Volvo.
Limiting interior colors has been a very disappointing cost saving move for GM consumers. But with generous discounts and rebates I suppose I could recover the seats with a color of my choice!
Detroit and ‘upper MidWest’ seem to have lots of them. I have seen production numbers for 2005 GXP of only 5-600. I am seriously considering waiting to order a 2006.
Jim Causley in Michigan (for example) has several in stock, in different colors. . .
“I did just learn that the GXP only comes in the black interior, which is somewhat disappointing as I wanted the Parchment color.”
2006 interior color added for GXP: ‘31B Sand’ or 313 – perhaps one is leather and one is cloth?
I have seen no examples of this color – so I do not know if it is in any way similar to Parchment.
- Ray
Finding such a very limited, very late 2005 run of the GXP and (um) ‘interesting’ marketing strategy . . .
I believe we have more in Detroit and the midwest because they will sell more here. Somerset Pontiac in Troy, MI also has quite a few in stock.
If you wait for an 06 the price will most likely go up and the rebates, initially, will be less.
Do you get a GM discount at all?
See post 38 & 40 above.
- Ray
“and does the DOD work both in cruising mode at highway speeds and for idling around town? the info supplied on the pontiac site says DOD will operate in both modes.”
1 - Where do you see that statement?
2 - Listening to this V8 at idle, I do NOT believe that it deactivates cylinders at idle.
I do not have a source for this quote, but I believe that it is accurate:
“Displacement on Demand (DoD) System Description
To provide maximum fuel economy under light load driving conditions, the engine control module (ECM) will command the displacement on demand (DoD) system to deactivate engine cylinders 1 and 7 on the left bank, and cylinders 4 and 6 on the right bank, switching to a V4 mode. The engine will operate on 8 cylinders, or V8 mode, during engine starting, engine idling, and medium to heavy throttle applications. “
- Ray
A bit uncomfortable providing information without verification . . .
. . .
If you wait for an 06 the price will most likely go up and the rebates, initially, will be less.
Do you get a GM discount at all?”
I get no GM discount. (sigh)
By ‘interesting’, I mean producing 500 or 600 units at the very end of the 2005 model year, and allowing current GP rebates to apply to a new model variation when 2006 production will start so soon, seems rather odd to me. And Pontiac even published a rather expensive looking (fold out to a poster) GXP specific brochure.
Why not wait a couple of more months and introduce it as a 2006 – as with the Impala SS and Monte Carlo SS, the other models with essentially the same (new) drivetrain. And the GXP (obviously) has even more extensive mechanical changes than these others.
Now that I have (finally) driven one, I cannot order one. Weird.
Perhaps GM wanted initial ‘Beta Testers’ of the DoD V8 / ‘improved trans.’ drivetrain? But I’d think it is really too late to substantially address any issues that might actually arise and be reported and analyzed by early buyers - in time for 2006 MY startup.
And introducing something like the GXP, and (almost) immediately increasing the MSRP, with no added content for 2006, would make little sense (to me). But they my indeed do that, too.
I do agree that (initially) the 2006 GXP will likely NOT have a rebate available. That’s one reason that I am ‘torn’. Buy a 2005 – or wait and order a 2006. Is a 2006, with only the most minor detail changes, worth $2,500 more ($3,500 in most other parts of the country) than a 2005?
I like the Graystone exterior – and it will not be available for 2006. That probably does not constitute $2,500 value – to me. Being the first on my block to have a GXP is worth essentially $0.00 – to me. I do not need a new car – I just want a new car. I would enjoy this new car. But I can wait. I just don’t want to wait.
Again, the timing here just all strikes me as rather odd.
- Ray
No Marketing Genius . . .
I can get you GM In The Driveway pricing, if your dealer will accept it (they are not required to). This is the same as the Supplier price (IOW, GM employee price plus 4.5%).
I have had some email discussions with the former product manager for the GXP (who has subsequently left GM - was involved with the GTO as well)...
--Robert
I am looking forward to additional feedback from testers (and owners) regarding how successful GM was in addressing these concerns in the 'real world'.
I am interested in how well the transitions are managed. And my understanding is that the V4 mode is timed. At some maximum duration, it will revert to V8 mode.
I am also interested in the technology they utilized to make the V4 mode at cruise sound "ok". . .
During my test drive, I was focused on several other things. . .
- Ray
Willing to give up a wee bit of additional 'waste' in fuel at idle, to hear a V8 - and not a V4 . .
Sorry, the GTO's steering handling is superior to the GXP. Not the Magnasteer of the GXP which feels fake and artificial. They have improved it but enough. Front wheel drive equals torque steer and understeer. That 303hp has some nasty torque steer on it.
GTO's backseat is 10x more comfortable then GXP, go figure! It has the same 37" of rear legroom too. It is a pain to get in and out of GTO backseat, but once you are there, much superior to the GXP/Compg.
REAL performance cars have rear or all wheel drive and near 50/50 weight distrubition not front drive and a 65/35 weight distribution like GXP!
That said GXP is a nice car. But GTO is that much better and isn't really much more $$, getting Corvette drivetrain.
Highway ride is BETTER in the GTO then my Comp G was. BMW 5 series like in GTO.
GTO only sells 12,000 and none to rental agencies. For every GTO there is going to be 10 grand prixs out there.
CR rated the Kia Amanti/SG350 as overall better then Grand Prix, LOL! That tells you something.
If you want a Front Drive performance Sedan, buy the Maxima, hold it's value better, won't look like a rental car. better build quality and you can get manual shift if you wish.
when i look at the gxp i see the following (compared to my front runner the avalon):
a rather cheap interior, a lack of content of items that i'm looking for (hid's and a multi speed automatic...four gears just isn't enough, imo), a decent size overall with good numbers for fitment in the driver's seat. but most of all, what i see is the gxp's biggest asset: THE ENGINE!! THAT'S why i would buy the gxp over the avalon...it's got a v8 for god's sake and as far as i'm concerned, for the type of driving i do (around town, stop light to stop stuff) i'll take a pushrod v8 anyday over any v6...i've shamed some seriuously expensive hardware with my 4.5 in the seville but i pick my battles...i know my engine's strong suit.
the only point i am trying to make is there's alot of apples/oranges going on...there's no replacement for displacement...bottom line. that's not to say i wouldn't buy the avalon, but i know that i would not be getting that instant punch away from a stop light without thrashing the motor to 6k...VERY uncool.
imo, the gxp is a good deal...lot's of good stuff at a competitive price...i just don't know if i can get around the interior being so chintzy and the lack of xenons'.
another apple/orange: the gto is a great car with a beautiful interior and great performance; but, it's two doors...the gxp is four... jackg 90seville 97k
i have always liked the grand prix for being a decent compromise between a nice ride and decent handling...l like it a bunch more since they put the small block (in aluminum, no less!!) in it. jackg 90seville 97k
Checkout the link in a few days and see if it is posted.
http://www.autoweek.com/department.cms?departmentId=13
Cons: None so far! In case anyone is wondering the V8 will take regular gas.
The car has plently of power and handles like a dream. I can't image paying big $ for a BMW for the same if not better performance. Plus my GXP has more class! Pontiac made improvements to the O5 model that make it even better! I'm glad about the dual climate control, remote start and quite and smoother ride. The GXP is wider and handles like dream!. The V8 purrs and has power to spare. I highly recommend it! Go test dive and and the only thing left to think about is the color! Great job Pontiac!
Got a surprise when I looked for the doughnut spare and found the can of fix-a-flat and compressor. My speakers also hiss (like static from a blank radio station) when there is no power, like when I just open the door and the lights come on. Last for about 10 seconds and is just barely audible. Any ideas.
Anyone have the 5.3L V8 engine specs? Just wanted to see the numbers especially compression since it is suggested to use 91 octane and 5.3L V8 of past SUV's/trucks get away with 87 for about the same HP.
Anyone have any suggestions on a suede cleaner and protector? All the leather products specifically say not to use on suede. Any suggestions on other products would be appreciated. As a previous owner of a 97 GTP and former reader of Grandprix.net mailing list, I've used Zaino Bros for the past 8 years. Might be looking to make a switch to something without that many steps.
Other LS4 features include:
Aluminum engine block with cross-bolted main bearing caps
Aluminum high-flow cylinder heads similar to the 6.0-liter LS2 V8
Full-floating pistons
Lightweight, three-piece friction-welded composite intake manifold
10:1 compression ratio for fuel-efficient performance
Unique camshaft designed to accommodate DOD technology
Electronic throttle control integrated with new engine controller
GM Oil Life System to minimize required oil changes
Iridium-tipped spark plugs for 100,000 mile service
Quick reflexes
Complementing the torque and horsepower of the LS4 V-8 is a revamped suspension that takes the Grand Prix GXP's road feel to a more responsive level. Bilstein gas-charged struts provide precise damping control and higher rate springs help improve the driver's connection to the road. A ride height reduction of approximately 9 mm and a new 17.2-mm hollow rear stabilizer bar help the GXP negotiate turns with less body roll.
Top speed for the GXP? Either estimated or actual or if its limited. W-rated tires have max at 168, but I think GM would have limited the speed before that max.
- From an email from a local dealer.
What exactly does this mean – I presume this means GM Supplier pricing????
Thanks,
- Ray
Not familiar with GMS pricing . . .
Of course, the new incentives are significantly less than they used to be. And, GMAC interest rates are up. So, this may not be the screaming deal everyone thinks it is. Depends on the car and how overstocked GM is (trucks/SUV's are probably still pretty well discounted since they seem to be the things not moving).
--Robert
http://www.gm.com/employeediscount.do?brandId=ld&mode=byModel#
a GP GXP at $29,995 will cost $24,696.48. Not bad.
I think the new rebate on the GXP is $2,000 so the price is $26,696 compared to invoice at $27,502.
For my GXP with MSRP of $33,395 (30,530 invoice) minus the $3,500 in rebates, I was quoted $27,198 or $27,698 with the national advertising fee. It seems some dealers have the fee listed on the invoice and others don't. Anyway, due to the change in the rebate, the prices almost work to be the same.
For some (including me) the rebate was $2,500 (Southeast).
So with $2,000 reduction from GMS, without negotiation = better.
For those where the previous rebate was $3,500, no so much . . .
Another Internet contacted me with a quote approx. $1,800 better than his previous offer.
Thanks,
- Ray
Wondering if GM actually expects this sort of initiative to “same the day” . . .
GMS= 28,000 + 3500.00( mfg.rebate) = 24500.00.
The best thing about using GMS (if your lucky enough to belong to GM Friends and Family ) is that its no haggle which makes for a pleasant sales experience.
I got bent over on my latest buy because of 2 factors. I was upside down in my 04 GTP and I no longer qualified for GMS. Oh well, I prefer the GXP and hope to have it for a long time!
--Robert
1 – there is a limiter – at 155.
2 – there is no limiter, but there are warnings displayed in the HUD – and any extended running at such high speed may result in engine oil / trans. fluid exceeding thresholds that will result in (save the driveline) shutdown . .
- from typically reliable sources.
Either would work fine for me.
The (somewhat) theoretical top speed at 6,000 rpm in third gear is approx. 154.5 mph.
The (even more) theoretical top speed at 6,000 rpm in fourth gear would be approx. 217.
- Ray
Never having exceeded 155 – in a car. . .
GM Employee Discount Price for 2005 Pontiac Grand Prix
(Select a different vehicle)
Selected Style: GXP
VIN: 2G2WC54C751340751
MSRP: $33,395.00
GM Employee Discount Price: (approx.) $27,636.98 †(Details)
(after applicable incentives)
There is also now a ‘button’ (just above where there has been ‘Window Sticker’ & ‘Request a Quote’ buttons) that says: ‘Get GM Employee Discount Price.’
Note that it shows GMS price less the $2,000 current rebate.
- Ray
Thinking at this price, resistance is futile . . .
I pick it up.
I pick it up. "
1 - Congrats - and Best of luck!
2 - If you have XM (I see you have a sunroof) would you please remove the antenna 'head' and let me know if this causes a SIGNIFICANT increase in wind noise with the sunroof in 'Vent'?
(Dealer I went to last night kept it in plastic in the glovebox - due to recent thefts!)
Thanks,
- Ray
Not making much progress in negotiations . .
Ray-
I have XM and don't quite understand what you mean. The removable antenna head that the dealer had in plastic which I screwed in on the front of the roof line is for Onstar so everyone will have the short antenna. XM has a block antenna on the back of the roof line which I don't believe can be removed unless you plug the hole in the roof with something.
Agreed that GMS sets a (maximum) price.
Basically trade in value and doc fee ($75 pre GMS or typical $300+).
- Ray
Wanting all I can get for as little outlay as possible ( = cheap?)
I have XM and don't quite understand what you mean. The removable antenna head that the dealer had in plastic which I screwed in on the front of the roof line is for Onstar"
Aha.
I was mis-informed by the salesperson.
I have never had a car with either OnStar or XM.
Sorry. . . And thanks for the correction!
- Ray
Still wondering if the noise was caused by this - or some sort of individual mis-fitting related to the sunroof as installed in this car . .
I've heard that the Graystone Metallic color will not be offered (strange, as it's a color that's "in-vogue" and this car looks good in it), and I've heard there will be some addition of brushed aluminum trim on the interior/dash (not sure if it's real or faux). In principle I like the idea of the addition of the brushed aluminum trim on the interior.
Given GM's troubles of late with lagging sales, I'm fairly confident that the price on this vehicle won't be going up. In fact, based on what I've read, the sticker prices on GM vehicles may even come down to be more in line with what people are actually paying.