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Anyway, the point is: i need instructions on how to take off the hub and knock out the studs and replace them. the manual i have, for some reason, doesn't have specific instructions on that.
i already have the brake roter and caliper off, but i can't figure the rest out. if anyone can help, i would greatly appreciate it.
Now we need to determine if the after-market adjustable arm is something we need to have installed and what brand of tires we want as replacements. Any thoughts?
I'm going from memory here, but I thought I remembered reading somewhere, that there was a TSB out which corrected an assembly problem. Had something to do with the strut assembly spring piece was erroneously assembled 90 degrees out, which resulted in a vehicle wheel alignment being out and not able to be aligned with normal dealer alignment procedures. The fix was to disassemble the whole strut, rotate the spring 90 degress (I visually remember seeing the pictures with instructions on rotating the spring), and then reassembling the strut.
I think you need to push your dealer further for the permanent fix.
The camber can not be adjusted - without an after-market part. My assumption is Honda is finally going to make this part and allow adjustment of the camber. The toe was also out of alignment. We did have the car re-aligned, but the camber is still off and there is no way - at this time - to adjust that.
At this point, we are satisfied that the car will be fixed and will not continue to EAT tires.
Honda Strut TSB
After reading this, I don't believe that it is your problem as this is written for a CRV. However, this manufacturing defect is why the dealer really needs to take a very active role in investigating/resolving your situation.
This link at College Hills Honda states that they are only for the Si.
http://www.collegehillshonda.com/honda_civic_4dr_accessories/06_07_civic_wheels.- htm
However, here's a link from someone in the photo gallery that shows an EX coupe with the 18" HFP wheels:
kenlw, "Honda Civic Owners: Photo Gallery" #22, 17 Apr 2007 6:38 pm!keywords=allin%3Amsgtext%20limit%3AHonda%3ACivic%20HFP
note that the HFP kit includes several things other than just the wheels and part of that is the suspension changes that lower the car a bit (iirc ~1").
you can fit 18" IF you do the suspension mods as well. But I don't think you can just swap the wheels. Obviously I could be wrong but that's my understanding (the dealer did the mod prior to me buying it).
btw, here's my gallery in CarSpace:
http://www.carspace.com/kenlw/Albums/kenlw%27s%20Album/
I'm assuming your happy with the performance of the wheels and suspension?
downs are slightly worse MPG, a lot more tire noise and a slightly rougher ride. not biggies for me, but could be for some.
Ups are: it looks great and sticks like velcro on back roads with virtually zero body roll.
What you are looking for specifically is the EX-HFP kit. it includes the suspension mods necessary.
has honda advised you anything on the tsb?
my brand new 2007 canadian made civic lx sedan has exhibited weired shake/bounce at low speed and excessive highway speed vibration/noise + sensation of slight wheel grinding road at low speed. it tracks straight though...also, there were 3 incident of lound popping sound from the driver's rear. i have taken the car back to dealer 3 times already and now the car is with the dealer again.......
many tks
That even you claim to be a lemon?
That can be bought new for under $20k?
good luck with that.
You might want to have the alignment checked by an independent repair shop. That is how we found the problem - as the dealer in MT wouldn't even look at the car (while we were on vacation). Our SD dealer has been very helpful and supportive.
tacman1...if you get the info, please post and share with the rest of us. Thanks!
Any thoughts?
The Sandman
Like Bridgestone and that new Toyo Versado(?) looks really nice. Have read up on the Goodyear Response Edge and the reviews only seemed luke warm for such an expensive tire. Really like the Goodrich traction T/A's we got for the Mazda 3s...very grippy and very good in the wet stuff which we have frequently in South Florida now that the drought is loosening it's grip on the area.
The Sandman
I received a call from Julie, the "Honda of America" Rep. The one my Service Manager "Jim" told me to talk to since apparently he didn't have the energy to do so himself. Anyway, after very good documentation of this problem from begining to end, Not to mention investigating this problem all by my self, I was told I get a whopping 25% of my new tire purchase back. Sounds like an admission of guilt to me. Well, 25% of it anyway.
Mind you this problem began at 17000 mi. Was introduced to my local Certified Honda Garage at 20000 mi with negative results. It was reintroduced at 28000 mi with the tires totally shot. When I picked up my Civic at 28000, I was presented with a 39.00 bill for balancing my front two tires! Exact words on the invoice were: Customer states shake at 60 mph Balanced front tires-shake in steering wheel is gone but the back end can be felt thumping. Both rear tires have flat spots and are at 3/32. Talk about putting a band aid on a gaping wound! I refused to pay and explained that I intended on purchasing new tires anyhow so a balance job on bad tires wasn't going to cut it. I'm sorry but I really value my wife and kid's lives and don't want them to die on their morning commute!
So after an initial call to "Honda Of America", I was told by Julie that a "Countermeasure" is in the works but it could take 1 month maybe two or three until she knows anymore. She went on to explain that this fix has to go through state and federal approval before it is implemented. What BS! That's another set of tires I have to purchase! She went on to tell me since they couldn't really prove that I rotated my tires, I was not eligible to receive 50% pro rate on my new tires. She requested I have an alignment done to see if the car is within specs (at my cost) She said that would help them determine any future claims on my tire wear.
I'm sick of being Honda's guinea pig! Worst "NEW" car I've ever purchased! I am personally going on a Campaign against Honda. I will Keep the car until I go through my NEW tires. In the mean time I will let everyone that asks me about my Civic know that it is a Tire Eating Machine!!!!
Oh by the way, Julie told me that she is familiar with this problem and that customers who regularly rotate their tires get 40,000 mi out of them. She's telling this to a guy who has access to an automotive lift and who enjoys changing his Own oil and rotating his OWN tires. Did I mention the fact that I'm a Police Officer and that I make a living documenting every action I take???? Whew! Lemme take a breath here...
To all who have this problem and I know this forum contains a small percentage. Honda is dropping the ball and letting their customers down. They are half admitting their faults but denying them at the same time. I am totally shocked at the obtuse attitude Honda has towards a very serious problem with the New Honda Civic. Like I said, The public in my area will know NOT to buy a new Honda Civic because the camber "IS NOT ADJUSTABLE" (julie's exact words) and that "IT NEEDS A COUNTERMEASURE" (see above) ^ Thanks for letting me rant and good luck to you new Honda Civic owners.
Good luck. Let me know what happens, as I might want to try the 215/55 set up when i eventually purchase new tires.
The Sandman
I'm still waiting to hear from my dealer about the expected service bulletin.
I bought my car from Vern Eide Motorcars in Sioux Falls, South Dakota The service manager is Tim McVay.
I hope this is some help.
I'm beginning to wonder if Honda is actually going to do anything. I was told it "might" be August before they got the service bulletin written - this was in July. Well, it's now September and I'm still waiting. I'm getting ready to do a lot of traveling. Sure hope my tires hold together.
Actually the tires I got in Missoula, MT seem to be holding up better than the original ones.
Just curious, as I won't be going with the RS-A's next time. Want something with excellent wet traction,a meatier tread pattern and low noise. My wife has the Goodrich Traction T/A's on her Mazda 3 and eventhough they ride very well, the noise level is a bit more than I'd like on a daily basis.
The Sandman
The clearance between the tire and wheel well is too small to allow the use of standard snow chains. You can only use the cable chains. I bought a set from Auto Zone for $50.
However....I do recall being able to "preview" them via the website just prior to buying mine.
I guess for good or bad, mine (07 EX w/HFP 18") is now a "collectible"....any offers?
I guess the extra suspension changes required to use the 18" on the non-si just made them too hard to sell, so they just dicontinued the EX-HFP kit.
Well they still sell the kit, but it says it includes the 17" rims.
See:
http://www.collegehillshonda.com/honda_civic_4dr_accessories/06_07_civic_factory- _performance.htm
They sell the 18" wheels separately, so I could just buy them and put them on there and see what happens. I know Honda doesn't recommend it, but Honda probably doesn't "recommend" a lot of after-market wheels that people slap on there.