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Now with that said, why don't you race the guy with the Lightening in the three races I proposed.
Everyone one knows that bikes can fly, but trucks can do so much more. Your initial post was foolish. If you want to race trucks, hook up a thousand pound trailor to your bike and go for it.
Hell, a toyota tacoma could beat your bike in a "truck race." But the lightening is the fastest truck as the Cobra guy posted. But at the same time, it is still a truck. Now do you get it?
Happy Motoring.
BTW, I see that the sarcasm of my comparing a motorcycle to the Lighning, much like comparing a Lightning to a real truck was lost on you.
A little moralising from pyrodex too by the look of it.
Tim, Dave, Roc, please take note - the fact that we all post useful information is not going to help you know. Pyrodex is just going to ignore us, and I am sure that he has a huge following.
Oh the shame of it.
Parkman50 and Eusasc,
As for cycles, I have a Suzuki GSX-1300R Hayabusa.
I'll race both of you! Just let me know.
Of course, I did grow up racing moto-cross and have had a bike continuously since I was under ten years old (probably more years than you've been alive.) So I don't commit many driver errors, but I can show you that later.
And yes you are a joke (Freudian slip), I mean I understood that your post was a joke.
BTW, yes I own everything outright, except for my new 99 Mountaineer 5.0 V8. ($33K cash is hard to come up with) after just paying cash for my new truck 3 months earlier.
Money talks and your BS walks. Here is the deal. Drive over here (North East of Dallas, Hwy 75,) show me the condition of your bike and the title. If your bike is not the "pile" I think it is, then I'll pull out the beast (165HP on 2 wheels) from the garage and we can take it from there.
Happy Motoring.
I did have a neighbor "back in the day" with a Honda 50. It's been about 25 years but I'm sure it will still run. If I can get my hands on it, I'll bring it to the track for the big race!
Oh yeah on the truck topic, yep I like 'em all.
BTW, I do think we need to stop the false advertising. All these manufacturers need "standards" that their ads can be based upon. They all choose what fits their needs today and most ads are extremely misleading.
Happy motoring.
How did this topic go from Toyota trucks to idiots giving REAL motorcyclists a bad rep?? Take those toy bikes and go to Cycle World's site. This is a truck forum.
Hey, I own three bikes but I don't challenge trucks "title for title". Another side note that'll irritate someone here: The V-max was a poor answer to the Magna in the 80's and despite its speed today---it is a bike you can neither cruise on or really ham it up with real rockets. Basically, it is a hybrid that doesn't please many.....enough of the bike talk.
Here's my question: can someone provide me with the numbers for the Lightning (this is a brand new version that we're talking about, right)? I mean, I'd like to compare 1/4 mile, slalom, payload, tow capacity, costs, etc. with the Tundra. And the big question is, can I get a Lightning in an extended cab? I believe the answer is no, right?
I may be young, but I ain't stupid. I know that Vmax will take me in the quarter. That's why I said I would pick the place.
A buddy of mine with a '99 Lightning told me his tow rating is something like 2500 lbs, not 5000. You got the payload right though.
The Lightening has a 5.4 Motor. Even with different gearing (ie I have the tow package) but I would have to assume it's more like 5000lbs (or more.) A base 4 banger ranger can tow 2500lbs.
Rocles, don't even go back to bikes. It's obvious you have the V-max confused with some cruiser or something. Go look at one again. It is the real rocket. PS. I guess you are the accountant turned Harley Davidson Biker. Ha..Ha..Ha..Ha..Ha...
Happy motoring.
"The '99 Initial Quality Study 2 is based on 41,004 owners of '99 model-year vehicles and monitors the number of problems new-vehicle owners face during the first three months of ownership. The study is the industry benchmark of initial vehicle quality standards and is measured in terms of problems per 100 vehicles and covers 135 specific problem areas across nine problem categories."
They ranked the top three vehicles in six categories (compact pickup, fullsize pickup, mini SUV, compact SUV, fullsize SUV Luxury SUV).
The Toyota entries were a 3rd in mini-SUV by the RAV4, a 1st in compact SUV with the 4Runner, and a 1st in the fullsize SUV with the Land Cruiser. Lexus also took a 1st and 3rd in the Luxury SUV category with the LX 470 and the RX 300, respectively.
The Ford entries were a 3rd by the Ranger in compact pickups, a 1st by the F-Series light-duty and a 3rd by the F-250 Superduty in fullsize pickups, a 3rd in the compact SUV with the Explorer, and a 3rd by the Expedition in fullsize SUV. The Mazda B-Series also had a 2nd place ranking in the compact pickup category.
Dodge had a 1st with the Dakota in the compact pickup, a 2nd with the Ram in the fullsize, and a 2nd with the Durango in the compact SUV.
Chevy had only one entry, a 2nd place by the Tahoe in the fullsize SUV category.
The only other entries were a 1st by the Honda CR-V in the mini SUV, a 2nd by the Subaru Forester in the same category and a 2nd by the Infiniti QX4 in the Luxury SUV category.
I'll race your crotch rocket any time on my Husaberg 600.......... in the desert. LOL.
See Ya.
Yeah, I know what a V-Max is and agree that it is muscle. Rocket?? No way. Accountant? No--I outsource that one for my roofing firm. Does this blow your image of me? Here's another twist: Not only am I a roofer, but I also own a Honda as well as a Harley. Well how about that?? I guess I might actually know Japanese bikes?? Sure, the max is quick but I just don't like hybrids. I'd rather have function and comfort over speed.
BTW: What's wrong with professionals riding Harleys? Should I card them??? Only roofers and other riffraff allowed on Harleys! ??
Back to trucks......
Parkman,
Which brand of truck do you have?
Next spring ford is coming out with a Harley F150 an extend a cab version of the lightning without the supercharger, the truck will have custom chrome svt exhaust loud like a harley,20" rims, it will be lowered, custom cover for bed, leather interior,you could add a whipple charger and it may be as fast as a Lightning.
Max that a Tundra can tow - 7,200lbs
Max available hp for Ram - 245
Max available hp for Tundra - 245
Max available torque for Ram - 335lb/ft
Max available torque for Tundra - 315lb/ft
Don't believe me, look where I looked.
www.4adodge.com
www.toyota.com
I guess they'd know
I agree that there is no truck out there that can be dominant in every category. My gas engine Ford is rated to tow over 14,000 pounds and has over 4,000 pounds of available payload, but I fall a bit a short of the 10 second 1/4 mile and I'm not quite eeking out 30 mpg. I can get over 20mpg.....if I switch my trip computer to kilometers per liter.
Ford.
Happy Motoring.
GVWR and GCWR are as follows - again maximum available and excluding regular cab
GVWR
Ram 6,600lbs
Tundra 6,000lbs
GCWR
Ram 12,500lbs
Tundra 11,800lbs
Facts is facts
For the record, I'm not one of those people who feels the Toyota isn't a 1/2 ton. If I had a knock against it, it would be a lack of choice in engines. For example, with the Ford F-150, you can get the 4.2L V-6, the 4.6L V-8, and the 5.4L V-8, depending on your needs. The max tow ratings for a 2wd regular cab for each engine selection are 5,800, 7,300, and 7,800. The Super Cab 5.4L has the highest Ford 1/2 ton tow rating at 8,000.
I take your point about the 4.7 being standard and hence having all those wonderful figures - but only on certain models.
Most models have the 3.4l V6 as standard. If you buy the limited package you get the V8 - but this is really a bundle of options.
Dodge has a different approach, various trim levels and lots of options. Toyota, along with most Japanese manufacturers, go for fewer options - I guess in an effort to save costs.
Both approaches have their merits, but please don't try and kid anyone that they are 'standard'.
Ironman Stewart don't race junk and had a hand in developing this truck. This man won more Baja's then most can count and all in the little Toyotas. So in short a truck with 245hp and 315lb@3400 all out of a little 4.7, can pull 7100lbs, has a 5 yr warr., the best ground clearance out of all in class, std engine cooler, trans cooler std, skid plates std, 4 wheel 3 sen. abs. and looks good is the truck for me. I don't want no shopping mall queen my truck has to be able to do some off road work, thats why I buy a 4x4 and not to look pretty for the mall crowd. Bang for your buck you bet! I must not be the only one who thinks that way dealers can hardly keep them in stock and people are waiting months for the things. You don't see them lining up at Dodge for there offerings.
Ironman Stewart don't race junk and had a hand in developing this truck. This man won more Baja's then most can count and all in the little Toyotas. So in short a truck with 245hp and 315lb@3400 all out of a little 4.7, can pull 7100lbs, has a 5 yr warr., the best ground clearance out of all in class, std engine cooler, trans cooler std, skid plates std, 4 wheel 3 sen. abs. and looks good is the truck for me. I don't want no shopping mall queen my truck has to be able to do some off road work, thats why I buy a 4x4 and not to look pretty for the mall crowd. Bang for your buck you bet! I must not be the only one who thinks that way dealers can hardly keep them in stock and people are waiting months for the things. You don't see them lining up at Dodge for there offerings.
In fact your post highlights one reason why I would never buy a Toyota. I don't want to pay money for some of this stuff - lets face it standard just means that the option is mandatory.
My personal preference is to pay only for what I need - you need all of those Toyota features that's great - but most truck buyers don't need these things. I wanted skid plates - I paid extra for them, I didn't want 4 wheel abs so I didn't pay for it - that was my choice. By including more standard features you lose the ability to customize to individual requirements.
If the features you mention had been options on your Toyota you would have ended up paying more, but people who didn't want them would have paid less. That is the principle behind North American option pricing. It isn't better of worse than the Toyota approach, just different.
I have tremendous respect for what Stewart has achieved in his off road racing career, and yes he has had that success with Toyota, but his experience has limited relevance to 90% of truck drivers. You, and to some extent I, are in the 10%.
Now please don't respond with another rant and rave about how Toyota kicks [non-permissible content removed]. The figures I provided are accurate, the opinions are mine and mine alone. You are happy with your truck, I am happy with mine. I would never buy yours, you would never buy mine. Its called choice and it is wonderful.
At the same time, if you were forced to classify one of the trucks in the 1/2 ton market as a "shopping mall queen", it would have to be the Tundra simply because they have been around long enough to prove themselves. Like them or hate them, Ford & Dodge & Chevy have all proven they have what it takes to do the job. I don't think the Tundra is a "shopping mall queen", but the implication was that one of the other three competitors deserved to be classified that way. Obviously, that would be incorrect. They all have solid track records in the 1/2 ton market, even though most of us have our preferences.
Nobody does any real towing with a six cylinder. Anything you tow behind a 1/2 ton with a six cylinder can be towed behind any reasonably sized car (or strapped to the roof). If you plan to tow, the small V-8 is really the least hp you want.
Don't let liters confuse you. The hp rating of the Toyota engine is equal to the initial hp of the 5.4L Ford, so it's tougher to figure out what is really apples to apples. A lower # of liters doesn't necessarily mean less power. The Ford 6.8L Ford V-10 replaced the 7.5L 460. Despite the larger displacement of the 460, the V-10 has more hp, more torque and better mpg. The current Ford 7.3L Powerstroke leads the diesel market in power with 235hp and 500 ft-lbs of torque. They will be replacing the 7.3L PSD with a 6.0L second generation PSD that will have over 300hp and 550 ft-lb of torque. The actual hp and torque figures and how they are distributed for your intended use is what really counts.
Just out of curiousity, are we saying that the Ironman races a stock Toyota that you can buy at your dealer? If not, it's kind of like saying that people should buy Chevy Monte Carlos because Jeff Gordan and Dale Earnhardt (and jr) win races with them or that everyone driving a Ford F-SEries can expect to run over cars like Bigfoot. Modifications are huge part of most racing, so there is no real comparison between what a truck does in a race and what kind of performance a consumer can expect.
I CHOSE the Dodge truck after driving the Chevy and the Ford with an open mind. Both the Chevy and the Ford are good trucks, but the price on the Dodge was right (Over $2000 less than a comparably equipped chevy). I even looked at the tundra. My 6'-5" body would not fit into the extended cab tundra without laying the seat back at a very flat angle. I also felt like I was sitting on the floor, not a seat. I actually remain in an upright position while seated in my Dodge.
After all this garbage, my point is this:
The Tundra, Chevy, or Ford were not for me. Seems like some folks out there just can't handle that somebody likes a truck other than theirs. Have a nice day.
Barlitz...The tindra is is made of tin, just ask rubluetoo. Just wish those tin doors didn't weigh so much. Makes me think their made out of real metal.
dockinsm is correct , it slipped my mind while having the toyota is holier than thou attitude RAMMED down my throat that this is a pro toyota topic , like its been said everyone has their own opinion , and i actuaaly am going down to the auto show and will look at the tundra , in fact i may even take one for a test drive , but since i NEED A TRUCK , i'll be buying something OTHER than the smallish mall queen tundra ... sorry i had to throw that in ...
Teagan got his low tow figure by taking the 5.2L with the manual transmission. The auto trans figures for the same truck are much higher. I don't have the Extended cab figures, but the Dodge Ram 1500 regular cab 4wd with the manual tranny and 3.5 axle ratio has a tow rating of 4,800. That same truck with the 5.2L, auto trans and 3.9 axle ratio is rated at 7,800.
I think I know why this attitude is so prevalent, in all of the other topics we are arguing that Dodge is better than Chevy which is better than Ford etc. etc. etc. We all know that despite personal preferences all three are pretty close. When it comes to Tundra all of us big three supporters unite to bash Tundra, not just with opinion, but with facts.
Tundra lovers come back and we knock them down again with hard facts. After a while we get what we are seeing now - stop knocking my truck, this is a pro Tundra topic so go away, etc. etc.
Incidentally, star ratings for Tundra are due in December for front impact and February for side impact. Until then lets not provoke the Toyota owners by pointing out the one star rating on 2000 Tacoma, and lets not hear how wonderful Tundra is in a collision - time will tell.