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I am glad you like your truck, and I hope it provides you with everything you want. No one will have a beef with you, you recognized your Tundra for what it is and bought it as the product that best suited your needs.
The only thing that annoys people who support the big three is suggestions that the Tundra can compete head to head.
I bought the first pickup in our family (92 F-250HD 4x4). I almost bought a used Chevy 4x4 a couple of years earlier. If I had, who knows? I might have been a Chevy man. All I know is that I had a very good experience with my 92 Ford. I put 86,000 miles on it. Based on my previous experience, when I decided I needed a bigger truck last year, I obviously bought another Ford. If the Ford had let me down, I would have been looking at either Chevy or Dodge, but that wasn't the case.
When brand loyalty is created from experience, I think it's tough to call it blind loyalty. Ford likely has my business until I have a bad experience with one of their trucks, or if one of the other two (I need a 1 ton dually) is far superior. This truck will be a really good test for my commitment to Ford trucks. I put 23,000 miles on it the first year and plan to keep it for well over 100,000 miles.
Brutus I never said brand loyalty was blind loyalty. However, if you don't even bother to check any other options out there then it is because you don't know anything about the competition. I personally feel some brand loyalty towards Toyota. That didn't stop me from checking out the big three. I came very close to buying a Ford. I researched for months before making my decision. Had I felt one of the other trucks was better for my needs I would have bought it. My point is be an informed consumer!
Blind loyalty for myself meant Chevy growing up. Chevy as I entered the workforce. However, Ford, and to lesser degree-Dodge, changed that for my firm. I've owned all three and now favor Ford. this doesn't mean I "won't" buy GM--rather it needs to show me why they are different today. No blinders here because I gave that ugly 78 F-250 a shot--not that Chevy didn't have a chance but the last one I gave them was three 95s that are long gone now.
oh andy i see you have a new fan , or is it an old one with a new name ... zitass oh how cute ... growup
I have now checked my sources and confirmed them to be accurate.
So without further ado, the year to date sales of Tundra, accurate to the end of October is.....
Drum roll please........
29,303
No I didn't miss any numbers out there.
In 99 Toyota have sold 1 Tundra for every 12.4 Rams, 17.8 Silverados and 24.8 F Series.
As I seem to recall having said before - facts is facts.
And to prevent anyone telling me, yes we all know that Tundra hasn't had the benefit of a full model year.
The title of this topic suggests that Ford, Dodge and Chevy have something to fear from Toyota. The sales figures (so far) would suggest otherwise, and are therefore relevant.
Now given that some people love to disagree with me regardless of what I say, someone will argue with my next point - but to the best of my knowledge no one is suggesting that the big three are threatened by your pizza choices.
One other note: Upon stumbling onto this topic, I read it as a forum where, people would "duke" it out over the brands here rather than just say good things about the tundra. Did I miss something?
And without further delay, my personal rankings (purely subjective of course.)
1) Ford (drives great, Tundra copied it.)
2) Chevy (really needs that 4th door which it gets in 2000, best choice of engines!! may soon move to number 1.)
3) tie, RAM/Tundra, although the two don't really compare, they are both great at what they do. the tundra reminds me of a slightly smaller Ford F-150 (good choice to copy, see number 1.) And a couple of years ago, the Dodge was my 1st choice. But with the dakota, durango, etc. out now, the style is getting old to me. It still looks good, but I'm ready for a change to big trucks.
4) compact list (yeah, I like'm too.)
- Ranger, best deal, 4doors, good quality
- Taco, high price, good quality
- S-10, med price, most car like drive
- Frontier, lowest price, shaky quality.
I just love lists. Anyone else out there want to do some rankings (with short reasons as to the order.) Lets see them.
Happy Motoring.
I think I'm on to something here - the Diablo 1500 4x4 crewcab superduty - anyone know the international code for italy????
I posted message #330. Why have you not disagreed with me in some way. This is terribly disturbing behavior on your part. Honestly, I deserve better. don't force me to resort to wisecracks about merry olde England or, god forbid, the Queen.
Didn't I just hear on the news that the new Ferrari could go 0-60 in something like 4.2 seconds? That's a little quicker than my truck, especially with the camper on.
I took a pretty good look at all choices when I bought my 92 Ford. I did some research in 98 before I bought my 99, but I was definitely leaning towards another Ford. The new Superduty is what clinched it for me. I was expecting a heavy duty line similar in appearance to the newly designed F-150, which actually was growing on me. Once the Superduty came out, it would have been very tough to get me to change my mind. The Superduty had the highest tow rating and GVWR, which were important factors for me.
I suspect that in 7-10 years when I'm ready to buy my next truck, all three manufacturers will have designs, engines and trannys that look much different than what is currently out there. And you never know, it's always possible that there will be another player in the 1 ton dually. But my next truck buy is several years away. My next serious purchase will be next Spring and it will be towed behind my truck using a Class V hitch to clear the extra 3 feet my slide-in camper sticks out the back of the bed. I'm leaning towards a Polaris Indy RMK 800 or 700, but I haven't finished my research yet. Yamaha, Artic Cat and Ski-Doo are still possibilities.
Look at my posts on any of the topics relating to trucks built in one place or another - especially on Dodges built in US vs. Mexico. I am not bigoted.
Not sure what the point of the last post is either. You can say what you like about England or the Queen. I am a Canadian. Yes I grew up in England, but now I am Canadian. I suspect that if you think any Englishman is going to disagree with you if you slag off the Queen then you have absolutely no idea what most of the English are like.
Still, whatever makes you happy. Incidentally my name is Andy, not Andrew.
I've heard horror stories from Cummins and PSD owners alike, but I've alot more positive feedback concerning both than negative. The new 24 valve certainly wasn't without it's problems. People can be critical of the Powerstroke all they want, but it's been a reliable work horse for several and most of those years has had more grunt for towing than the competition.
I drive a gasser, but my retired dad drives a 97 F-350 PSD dually and tows a 35 foot 5th wheel all over the US. He's pushing 60,000 maintenance free miles, almost all of towing the 5th wheel. Although he occasionally grumbles about the towing mpg, he's a very satisfied PSD owner. He's not brand loyal either. As a matter of fact, if the Superduty had been the Ford offering, he likely would have been driving a Dodge because he was really concerned with the bed rail clearance issues with the 5th wheel towing. Ford missed the boat on that issue and had to scramble to find ways to drop the rear end of the truck without sacrificing handling. I suspect my dad has bought his last truck, but if he were to buy again, he could probably just as easily end up in a Chevy or Dodge. He would take a look at the tow ratings, GCWR, GVWR, reliability, longevity, etc. All things equal or close and he'd probably jump in each truck and decide which one he liked driving the most.
When you get the opportunity to hit the open highway and talk to RVers, you'll find a generally satisfied group of owners of both the Cummins and the PSD. However, more often than not, you will hear the Cummins admit the PSD is outpulling them on the hills. At the same time, you will hear the PSD owners acknowledge that their mpg is not as good as the Cummins owners.
Unless you've got to buy right now, I think the ideal time to be looking for a new diesel is about three years away. You always try not to buy a newly designed engine in it's first year of production, because the manufacturers usually find a few more horses and ft-lbs in the second year of production. Chevy will be introducing a new diesel in a newly designed heavy duty truck. Ford will be introducing their new diesel in 2002. I'm not sure what Dodge has in store, but you know they won't be sitting on their hands.
When those engines hit the market, they will be rated over 300 hp and about mid 500 ft-.bs on the torque. That's quite an increase in power over what is currently available (235hp and 460-500 torque).
You mentioned that the Superduty was more truck than you need, but you're looking at an equally big 3/4 ton truck if you're planning to buy a Dodge with the Cummins. You're obviously set against Ford, but they will be offering a baby diesel in their F-150 trucks in a couple of years. Maybe Dodge and Chevy are working on something similar.
Although I, kind of, managed to fit my post into the boundaries of the topic at the end by mentioning the new diesel that will be available for the F-150 and potentially give it another competitive advantage over Toyota, Chevy and Dodge, most of my post was off-topic. Rather than turn this into a debate of PSD vs Cummins since it is a 1/2 ton topic area, we should probably reserve the diesel debate for one of the other numerous topic areas or someone can start a new one: Cummins vs Powerstroke (maybe even vs Duramax). I just felt the need to respond because there is no way that the PSD or the Cummins are bad engines, although everyone has their preferences.
yes i am alittle biased , all my personal dealings with ford products in general have been mostly negative , and i'm not real fond of the present 150 look , but it is also growing on me ,
i know what you mean about waiting , but i can't take the chance , even with dodge coming out with the power wagon , i think that is going to be aimed at the superduty , still will be bigger than i need , i'm very happy with the dodge , i just should have bought the diesel to begin with
Actually, I don't really have anything bad to say about Dodge, Chevy (except when it comes to their current heavy duty line), or even Toyota (no heavy duty line....yet) when it comes to trucks. And when it comes to the Chevy heavy duty line that I've been critical of, I've been countered in other areas by very satisfied and much more knowledgeable Chevy heavy duty owners who buy for fleets (cdean to name one). I'll still stick to my beef about their ability to keep up with Dodge and Ford as an RV hauler. The tow ratings aren't there, nor is the diesel....yet....next year.
I don't think you can go wrong buying a truck from any of the Big Three or Toyota, as long as you buy enough truck for what you need to accomplish. If you're going to be carrying a slide-in camper or plan to fill the bed fairly heavy fairly often or if you are planning to tow near the max tow rating regularly, you're not likely to be satisfied with the performance of any of the 1/2 tons, but you will probably be satisfied with any of the 3/4 ton trucks that are available.
The biggest obstacle to parking a truck is the wheelbase, moreso than the height or width. The key is to get really good at backing your truck into parking spaces. I can back into parking spaces that I could never pull into forward. There is also the guarantee of an easy exit. i can park my 1 ton dually almost anywhere I could park my 3/4 SRW.
the ford display was excellent , they had everything there and alot of interesting things slated for 2001 , a crewcab in the 150 line , but the bed was shorter than the regular shortbed , they had an awesome superduty crewcab shortbed , sticker i think was around 42k , it had 4 leather bucks seats , was a dually and had a diesel , looked at the motor and had a hard time seeing it ... , glad i bought a dodge ... they have some nice looking things in store for the explorer line and the excursion is massive ...
finally saw a gm with 4 doors , expected something real special ., nothing , the door latched just like the rest , there is a little more room than my dodge and a little more angle to the seat but i still wouldn't want to ride 600 miles back there , i hate the fact that they have disc on the rear , i don't think gm knows how to make a rear disc work , even after ALL the failures ...
then i went to see the exalted TOYOTA , wasn't sure if i was supposed to bow in its presence , i looked at it , definitely had foreign written all over it , sat in it , it was very comfortable , excellent seat , looks like they stole the area for the radio from a taurus . big ugly ovalesc looking thing , looked under the hood , looked ok , tryed to see the front suspension and its front wheel drive looking , again if i want a car like ride .. i'll buy a car , half shafts and cv joints don't belong there if heavy duty is what you're looking for , in general the toyata guys must have had a f150 parked in front of them while drawing this baby up , i'll give it a 6.5 , rear seat was a pain to get in and out of and was more cramped than the dodge , and the cab is definitely smaller than the big three offering ... i'm 5'7" 185 and i felt big inside this thing ...
I was perusing through a snowmobile magazine the other day and found a two page article on the Explorer Sport Trac. It's, kind of, another mini-crew pickup. They chop off the Explorer behind the rear seat and have a 4 foot bed instead. It will come with an optional tonneau cover for the bed. It also has a rail structure in the bed that can be swung out behind the bed. With the tail gate down and the rail setup out, you expand the bed. They claim you can carry a 4x8 piece of plywood in it at that point. The Sport Trac isn't designed to replace a pickup. It's more for the outdoors type of person who maybe doesn't want to put their fish coolers, or smelly and muddy camping gear inside the truck after a weekend of fun.
As an Engineer I consider the Tundra frame to be at least as strong as the ford or dodge 1/2 tons and it's actually more rigidly built with a much lower flexing moment. The chevy may have a stronger frame in theory using a foam sandwich technology. Problem is it's more critical to produce and any slight deficiency in the manufacturing process renders it highly susceptible to failure.
Never see real winter, no you are right, all the sled dog races I enter are with Hawaiian shirts and Bermuda shirts as standard equipment - not.
rwellbaum2 : i will admit that the cloth seat thing was childish but bragging that you are an engineer in one breathe and then driving around with a trim screw and a piece of bicycle stuck in your gas tank for 7 years causes me to question mentality myself.also i see you brag about the mileage on that 78 , but we have to go to your profile to get the real story , "on it's second engine" , typical toyota fanatic , tell the story that makes you look good , and leave out a few IMPORTANT details that tell the truth. one other thing , does your neighbor think of you as highly as some of us here , or is he also tired of your toyota is the best thing since sliced bread attitude ??
teagan: GRAND is hardly a word i'd use describing a toyota , i almost wacked my head getting into that puny little thing ... the toyota engineers stole so much from the f150 they would have been better off selling it to ford for a cut of the profit . and i'll say this again , if i wanted a car like ride i would have bought a car , my doge rides better than my last 4x4 and the only time i question the front suspension is when i hit the 6 foot wide speed bump at my work doing over 30 .
i'm sorry that the owners of the tundra hate the fact that people don't agree with them on their point of view , everyone is entitled to their opinion , and mine is tha the tundra is NOT a FULLSIZE truck and is not SUITED to MY needs , end of story , but i love getting your dander up .
Man.....You're tough. I hope you don't have a dog..... LOL!!
What if it was Nissan? "Dogs like trucks" Oh boy.......
In the last week or so I have had (in another topic) a Tundra owner arguing with me over the process I used to reject buying a Tundra - after all what would I know about it, I only went through it - stands to reason the Tundra driver would know more. Now I find that I have moved. Nice of a Tundra owner to tell me where I live, just think my entire life and I didn't realise that I lived in Toronto. Who knew.
If you ever get a Tundra driver on 'Who wants to be a millionaire' you know they're going to win.
Course they are not without faults, with all of that knowledge they still bought a Tundra. Go figure.
I will change my profile, but rest assured I don't live in T.O.
jcmdie i have to correct you , the tonkatoy does come with leather ,you are pretty much correct on everything else, i know i sat in one at the auto show , of course i had to burn the clothes i was wearing and have my interior shampooed to get the smell off afterwards , plus put 2 coats of wax on the dodge to beg its forgiveness ,
by the way all you toyota lovers , after i sat in the toyota i went out and ordered my new dodge truck , i think the "oh what a feeling " experience of the toyota standing still was enough to show me what to buy