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"The market concensus is that the Altima is NOT a competitor for the camcord, only the Maxima is. "You might not care about what most people think, but I'm sure Nissan's marketing department does." "And anyone who has any feel for the market knows that's not true" "I agree numbers don't lie. But neither does the market analysis" "I rest assured knowing the reality of the market."
JD power has does surveys mainly on quality and customer service, which marketing survey have they done? And the only cross shopping survey I know of is the maritz one, if you know of another, please let me know, also you may need to study up on survey groups, statistics, polling methods and margins of error so you can understand how to read a survey. The figures are relative, doesn't matter if you say 90% or 5% of the people surveyed compared the altima with the accord/camry. Fact is if people were going to cross shop, the most common one for them to do it is the 4cylinder camcords. put whatever % you need to to make yourself understand and feel comfortable, doesn't change the statement. You were always complaining that noone backed up their statements with facts, well, here is the facts from the only source of reliable cross shopping I have ever heard of. If you have more, please share. I thought you were done too, I just posted the info and you misinterpreted it and I corrected you.
Certainly people who buy a car in this mid-size category will pay a price above invoice that they would feel comfortable with.
If they car has a MSRP of $22K for an SE with all the options, then they will be able to get that price regardless of what the invoice is until there is overstock of the vehicle and the Nissan dealers are fighting amongst each other for sales.
If the price is $27K, then many buyers that are not desperate for the 235 HP are going to say they can go get a Toyota or Honda for less and will not take the Altima unless it is drastically discounted.
Most of the choice pieces will be snatched up by buyers that left deposits and the first ones on the lot.
Now, I got better things to do, like watching "rush hours 2" with my wife. See ya.
P.S check out: http://www.jdpower.com/
Hmmm... "a global marketing information services firm that provides clients with relevant and actionable market research, forecasting, consulting and training"
For mass produced cars that sells by volume, such as Accord/Camry, the prices usually stabalizes at the 3-5% over invoice range. If you could resist the urge to be the first one on the block to own one, then you can probably do better than paying MSRP. (also, you might also dodge any initial teething trouble any first year model might have).
I do also think it would be a good idea to wait, unless you are in real good with the dealer and they are willing to give you as good a deal as waiting.
See ya in about a week.
~alpha
Anyway. I would recommend "rush hours 2". It's one funny movie. I think it's a more worthy investment of money than The Planet of Apes or Jurasic Park III. Those didn't impress me much.
I find it amazing that that they just started production and the car will be introduced in late Aug. mid Sept. that's a lot of cars to make in a very short time to supply dealers. Don't you think???
blue
Very sharp color. Looks like the SE but cannot see a spoiler on trunk lid.
Haven't seen the colors either, Nissan did push up the release of the altimas because dealers are really short on supply also for the Maximas too. Can't wait to lay my hands on one in person, I think everyone will pleasantly surprised.
BTW I found some dimensions on the new altima VS the new Camry (02's) Seems like they will be pretty close,
Altima will have more passenger volume, but a slightly smaller truck.
Passenger volume altima 103.2 Camry 101.7
total volume (including trunk) Altima 118.8 Camry 118.4
There are two volume measurements, passenger and total, total includes the trunk,
The current maxima is 102.5 passenger and the new altima is 103.2
the current camry is 96.9 and the new one will be 101.7
Total volumes for the altima and 02 camry are simlar because it looks like the camry will have a little more volume in the trunk than the altima. So even the new camry will still be slightly smaller inside than the current maxima. But of course, this is just a measurement of how many ping pong balls will fill up the inside, the real measurements that are more important are the Head, leg and shoulder room. A car can have more volume, but still feel more cramped depending on how it is designed.
Bimmer, I heard that too, but I still would like to see it, I love action movies, BTW, I have a friend that saw the planet of the apes and said it sucked, and they liked the original ones, anyone here seen it yet?
I would love to help you with math, but sorry, I don't have time. And I don't have the time to accept your surrender. I really suggest you stop wasting my time. Like I said, call me when 10% in math becomes 50%. Until then... Yawn.
Yup, back to 2002 Altima.
Any 0-60 times for the auto yet?
M/T said 6.3 for the manual, so i am expecting less than 7 secs for the auto.
Only if Nissan could have put the 6-speed manual and the 5-speed auto...
They probably will within 2 years but I'm buying a car in October so, it doesn't matter after that.
Small engines are Honda's forte. And being able to sqeeze out 240 hp out of a 2 liter natually aspirated is pretty impressive. Yes. They lack low end torque. And that's been the biggest draw back of it, needing to be driven hard to make it perform.
Call me old school, but I belong in the camp of "no replacement for displacement". A car that can pump out power and torque even at everyday driving condition would be ideal. With 3.5L V6, it does dish out a good amount of torque, you shouldn't have to rev it as much as the S2000.
www.freshalloy.com/images/070201h.altima.jpg
www.freshalloy.com/images/070201k.altima.jpg
and there is also a very clear pic of it in the Sept. Motor Trend.
Wenyue,
I think I will take your advice and stop wasting my time with you, you are a lost cause.
cncman: So are you. Glad that you took my advice.
The dash I like, the second pic up there looks like its moving foward. Does anyone else see it? or am I an idiot? lol
I think the critics were too harsh on Rush Hour 2. It's an action comedy, lets see, there's action and its funny ...hmmm in my book thats a success. it wasn't meant to be the equal to Saving Private Ryan or something...off topic sorry
Actually, the guages are more yellow than red, if it makes a difference, the color hue is a little off in that second pic, look at the color of the tailights in the van in front and the stop sign. Again, Things look very different when you actually see it in person. I have no problem with the center dash, except for the oval stereo, doesn't seem to go with the rest, everything else looks well executed to me. ANyone notice it had the autodimming mirror too? Those are neat, have a compass and outside temp in them.
The instrument hood likes kind of wierd but not offensive. Otherwise, I think the styling is pretty tweaked but I would like to see it up close. Pics don't usually tell the whole story.