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Edmunds does not include it in their pricing but does tell you it is legit.
Try Carsdirect.com they will give you the correct invoice which includes the fee.
Dealer does not add MA the manufacturer does.
-juice
This review has a number for 0-100kmh in automatic version of 2.5L. 9.4s is not bad. 0-60mph in 5-sp version should be in high 7's to low 8's. Not bad for a mid size family sedan.
Cars direct gives the invoice of my configuration at 23,265. But on top of that the dealer put on a spoiler, tinted windows and a pinstripe. So really it should be a little higher. Anyway, I paid 23,888 for the car.
Edmunds does not.
How's the car ?
Then when I came out they told me how great it looked. Only had the car 5 minutes and already got compliments on it.
Seems more like a gimmick. If you look at 60-0 numbers over the past 10 years the influx of ABS hasn't really shortened stopping distances. All it does is allow mom and dad lazy driver not to think about releasing the brake when veering.
Its a 3.5 SE (pewter) automatic, Moon roof, Spoiler, mudguards, floormats, filter, wind deflector
Thier so called final price is 23, 789
23,789-12,700 for trade-in value = 11,089 x 6% NJ taxes = 665.34 in Taxes
23789 + 665.34 = 24,454.34 + 88.50 registration + 119 documentation fees = 24,661.84
24,661.84 final out the door price
MSRP is 25243
Invoice is 22889 before 400 MA fee so their Invoice was 23,289
My deal is 1,454 under MSRP and 500 over their invoice
I originally asked for 600 over the 22,889 invoice, so I'm at 900 over their invoice
Now in my case we traded in a Leased 99' Acura Inteagra with a buyout value of 13,000. So they gave me 12,700 for it, which I than still owe them 300 (but I still have 5 payments totaling 1267$, so i'm happy to get out of the lease ahead of the game)
24,661.84 + 300 = 24,961.64 - 3,500 down payment = 21,461.64 total financing value
Now they gave me what they showed me as a no mark up rate of 5.39% for 60 months which is lower than any rate on the net...
Montly payment is 410$ and some change
Paper work is all filled out because we thought we agreed on the numbers over the phone, went in to finish the paper work, and they were like 1500 over what I asked for ;( Man was I MAD!!!
Next day on the phone they knocked it down to the 23,789 number..
Please help me... Should a take the deal... they gave me a very nice interest rate, great deal on the Integra, etching is on the windows, they are going to give me a pinstripe, gave me a price of only 200 over their cost for a 5 year 100,00 mile warranty for 900 (dont know if i want it yet, would bring monthly payment up to 426$)... So these are things that I wuold most likely have to rehaggle to get them to match the price, besides getting a better offer on the car.. And they went and got the Pewter with the exact options that I wanted....
Should I take it,
<--Mcarlo24
<--So very close to being an Altima owner.
Anyway, I have also noticed that it's hard to find the new Altima with the ABS pkg. Try using carmax.com I saw a loaded 2.5SL in Super Black with ABS Monday morning. That's the first Altima I have seen with ABS since the redesign. I honestly think the ABS should just be standard. It's a shame that the Altima cost as much as 29K and still can't be found with ABS. Maybe it's a regional thing. Again, try Carmax.com and see if you can locate one with the ABS pkg. I at least saw one with this pkg., and there had to be about 30 Altimas on their lot in Greenville.
BTW, aren't you near Dick Smith Nissan? They don't have any Altimas with ABS? That's one of the dealerships I haven't been to yet. I might drive down there one day and check them out.
If Edmunds included the MA under the invoice amount would you still be willing to pay 600.00 over ?
Max and Joel
The reason for it being hard to find ABS is because the first cars dealers received were automatically given to dealers.
We didn't have a say on the equipment packages that were on them.
You should start to see more Altima's with Abs now that we can order the way you and I would like to see.
Tomorrow is Altima day!!!!!!! WWWoooooooooHHHHoooooooooo!!!
I'll keep yas posted
He's been pretty good, but I'm wondering if he's just trying to close an almost done deal. Does anybody know how these are actually packaged, and where I might find it? I also want Mystic Emerald/Frost interior - doesn't seem too popular.
Thanks!
Good luck
Abs is an excellent feature. It really works especially in winter on the slick road.That ABS kicks in and keep the car straight.Another reason the ABS package is a must, If you are struck By an SUV the side impact bags will protect your head and shoulder.As you are aware an SUV will hit way above the doors in a 90 degree crash.this is just food for thought.
if anyone has had to slam on the brakes in the rain because, for example, some dumbass decides its smart to pull out of a mini-mall parking lot directly into your path(as has happened to me), he or she would tell you that the steering control facilitated by ABS is certainly reassuring.
blueguydotcom-"If you look at 60-0 numbers over the past 10 years the influx of ABS hasn't really shortened stopping distances."
NEWSFLASH- ABS is NOT INTENDED TO PROVIDE SHORTER STOPS ON DRY PAVEMENT, nor has it ever been. ABS is designed to allow the driver to maintain control in emergency braking situations. Try steering with your wheels locked and see how easy it is. I'll agree with your statement that ABS doesn't provide shorter distances. But why does everyone believe that is what the system is intended to do? oh and by the way, it has nothing to do with being lazy. A laziness option, IMO, is cruise control.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but mine is certainly that ABS is a mandatory option, especially on a family car.
Note: if anyone here receieved the Altima CD ROM in the promotional package, you'll note that in the section describing ABS, it directly states something like "contrary to popular belief, the actual intention of ABS brakes....".
~alpha
"All it does is allow mom and dad lazy driver not to think about releasing the brake when veering."
I know what it's intended for and I think it's one of those anti-darwinian devices that allow unskilled drivers to remain at large ruining lives. It's like stability control and yaw and pitch sensors. Ick.
I have evoked ABS in both my intrigue and my impala, it made a difference in turning and in overall stopping distance.
Sunroof - has anyone found this without the convenience package?
Otoluva - the catalog lists it as a separate option, however edmunds, carsdirect & dealernet list the convenience as a requirement.
I can't take this - want my car!!!
Not only does it cause a problem between dealers and consumers.I really believe that buying a car should be easier.
It also cuts the margin of profit I have to work with.
You may want to se if they will split the 300.00 diffence that way you both win.
The dealer will be finding the car elsewhere. As long as I have signed the contract (after getting loan details in writing?) I shouldn't give my down payment until I get the car - right? I've read so many scary things & this is my 1st purchase. Thanks.
I do however require a customer to put at least 500.00 down before I do a dealer trade.
Max
PS: I think the ABS study that the insurance companies are hanging their hats on so they can discontinue premium discounts for ABS is all wet. I feel fairly certain that a prior wreck was caused by my car not having ABS and the vehicle in front of me having ABS. The road was slick, and a car pulled out in front of the car in front of me. He stopped quickly and I slid (hydroplaned) several hundred yards until I crashed into him. Yes, I know pumping my brakes might have helped. (Karl Flaig, alias blueguydotcom, please don't call me "lazy".) In a crisis situation, it was difficult to remember to pump the brakes. These emergency situations are not a common every day event.
You had better believe that if I plan on letting my teenage son drive my new (and later OLD) Altima, it will have ABS.
My town is very small, we only have about 300 students in our high school and that's grades 6-12. We need prayer right now, and we also need prayer for there family. This is very tough for anyone, but in a small town where everyone knows everyone, it's even worse.
Sincerely
Reginald Gist
My mother has had a couple of tragedies in her life, it's amazing that she has stayed so strong and spiritual. Her belief (and that of many others) is that we each choose our own path before we get here, things DO happen for a reason, and we even possibly choose how we leave. That may sound kind of crazy, and too much to even contemplate right now. But the point is that we cannot control all the events in our lives, and somehow, though I sometimes agree with you that the world is going to hell, it's really not. Ever since the beginning of time crazy and unjust things, and beautiful and wonderful things have occurred, and will continue to occur. Everyone's life is a journey and I believe how you live your life and how you touch others is the point. I also believe that there is an afterlife, be it after one or more tries (who knows?) "down here" - life is not just an exercise in futility. IN TIME we must learn to find a way to lives our lives in a way that allows us to not be taken over by the sad events, but be changed for the better. You have already started to do that, not because you weren't good enough or didn't do something right, but because you are reaching out to others, even during such a rough time. Hopefully, you will even be able to touch LaRita's baby's life. That would be a good thing.
You sound like you are very strong yourself, and have your head on straight, especially for someone relatively young. Don't think for a moment that you didn't make enough of an impact on LaRita; I'm quite sure that you were a good, caring friend. Very few of us declare our thoughts and emotions to those we care about; it's something that's understood by virtue of the fact that you're there, and are that person's friend, especially when other aspects of that person's life are tumultuous.
Reginald, you should feel all of those things that you are feeling, except for guilty. Guilt is natural only in the sense that you care so much and want to make it all right, but it isn't logical or correct, and it will take over your emotions, which basically, means you. Pray to LaRita, and tell her how you feel. There is much more to this life than our daily routines and physical happenings; there are spirits around us. Lean on your family and friends, and those at church, and be there for them also.
I hope none of this sounds like I am preaching, or dismissing this tragedy as something that just happens; nothing could be further from the truth. It's just that some words in black and white are hardly adequate for real life. God bless you, and I hope that your pain will be eased.
I was just slammed into by a non-ABS Saturn, and I'm sure she regrets not having purchased ABS. It was raining and I was able to stop short and straight (ABS pulsing).
She was behind me and started skidding. I could only watch her, helpless as her Saturn plowed into me. She even got a little sideways, so most likely her right side locked up before her left side did.
I ended up with $1200 of damage, but hers was much worse. She lost her hood, bumper, 1/4 panel (the plastic actually broke apart), lights, turn signals, even wheel well covers. It would have been totalled if it weren't brand new (still had temporary tags).
-juice
well under MSRP..
After filling out the excell spreadsheet that http:/www/Carbuyingtips.com offers, I found that I should offer a price of 600$ over invoice... I wound up getting from the dealer, 500$ over invoice..
Key learning #1 is that the invoice pricing that http:/www/edmunds.com and KBB offered DID NOT include a 400$ MA fee that was on the original invoice of my 3.5.. Now carsdirect.com includes this MA fee in their invoice and even gives an explanation of what the fee is for (Advertising mostly)I didn't like the fact that I payed 300$ out of 400$ dollars of this fee in my deal...
Key learning #2 is that I should have taken my 600 over invoice (without the fee) and figure what that was under MSRP and Dealed that way... Not 600 over invoice, but 1754$ under MSRP... I actually payed 1454$ under MSRP. reason being that the fee is added to the INVOICE only and not to the MSRP.
Key learning #3 is that before we made the deal and was negotiating, they showed me all the Altima deals that they had done for the month and 90% of them were at MSRP price.. Well LMFAO!!! The reason for this is that they pad up the trade in on the contract, giving you cash in-hand to put as a downpayment and than they raise the FINAL PRICE of the car up to around MSRP.. My ex... My deal was for 500$ over invoice and 12,700 for my trade in.. Well on the contract, they showed my trade in as 14,174 and sold me the car at MSRP.. Unreal!!!!! No wonder the dealers are pushing MSRP as final price...
Other helpful info (I bought mine in NJ):
Registration fees : 88.50
Documentation fees : 119.00
5 year/100,000 warranty (50$ deduct): 759.00
5 year/75,000 SILVER service fee) : 400.00
That's it.. I have a pinstripe and etching on the car, but didn't pay any extra for it..
The best senario would be to find out all these fees before ya make an offer and but together a final out the door price and once they agree, there are absolutely no surprises...
I know it was long winded, but if this helps just one person, that is was worth it to me..
Mcarlo24 ---> Dan <---Proud owner of a 3.5 Pewter Rocket
Happy Holidays to you and yours!!
Happy holidays
There are certain situations where ABS is not preferred though. On very snowy roads, a car would actually stop faster (maybe not quite as straight though) without ABS then with ABS. This is because the small amout of snow that builds up in front of the tires when they are locked up actually helps the car stop quicker.
You can threshold brake on a perfectly dry, even surface, but otherwise you will brake at the threshold of the tire with the least grip. Exceed that and by definition one tire will lock up and you will lose directional stability.
True, for snow and sand, you may be better off disabling ABS, but in some cars you can just pull the e-brake up one click to accomplish that.
-juice
I would expect an interior upgrade for '04, since the new Maxima will debut then. Nissan can then upgrade the Altima's interior without fear of cannibalizing Maxima sales.
Not that I really know any more than anyone else here, just my opinion.
www.pbs.org/mpt/motorweek
This is where it got 0-60 in 5.9 seconds. Show everyone that it is the "Cure for the common car"
CR is the first to complain about the interior. If you've followed this thread for a while, we've pointed out several articles that complemented the interior.
The 4 banger tied for quickest 0-60, and IIRC it also had the lowest price.
-juice
The article is here, if anyone wants to read it:
http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/comparisontests/ 2001/december/200112_comparo_concealed.xml?&page=6
You'll have to join the link because I can't post words over 115 characters.
For what it's worth, I've had my new Altima for 2 weeks now and I have no complaints about the seats or the gauge cluster. Well, actually, I think the seats are too high (I'm used to a low seating position), but that's really a matter of personal opinion. I also have not noticed the dash reflections they mention in the article.