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Nissan Altima



  • stebustebu Posts: 204
    Beside being a nit hardly worth mentioning, I'm guessing anyone who complains about having a hood prop rod:
    a) has never owned a car with hood/hatchback struts for more then the life of a typical lease period


    b) dosen't live where the temperature drops below freeezing very often.

    Over the years, I've had several cars (foreign and domestic) with various hood/tailgate/rear window struts and without exception they have ALL eventually failed and needed replacement, especially during cold weather. So, I guess I see a prop rod on the Altima's hood as an advantage.
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    No car costing more than $20,000 should use a hood prop rod. And they should all use the multi-link trunk hinges in lieu of the space-eating traditional hinge. Why does Nissan get so much right and then so much wrong, including easy stuff? Prop rods and bad trunk hinges aren't the cure for anything!
  • leonivleoniv Posts: 120
    One more argument for the struts: After driving my camry, I always burn my hand when grabbing the hood, lifting it, holding it, then grabbing the prop rod to prop the hood. All of these items (hood and prop rod) are scalding hot when the engine heats up. Simple struts would save me a lot of pain when popping the hood while the engine's hot. I don't pop the hood when the engine's hot voluntarily, but when your car doesn't start, you really don't have a choice =). I'll pay the extra $$ for struts any day.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Nissan probably figured it could cut both cost and weight by offering prop rod, and 90% of owners would never notice anyway (their mechanic will, but owners don't care).

    I agree that the gooseneck hinges have got to go.

    Nissan should offer a 5 door hatch or a wagon to compete with the Mazda 6s rumored to arrive soon. Hinge problem solved. SUV substitute problem also solved, because you'll have lots of cargo capacity.

    C'mon Nissan, 5 doors, please.

  • Well, if Nissan doesn't put struts in the trunk of the $50K+ Infiniti Q45 I would not expect it in the sub $30K Altima. Still no excuse, Nissan should be putting struts in both cars.
  • lsclsc Posts: 210
    I don't think Nissan needs to compete with every body style out there, especially if they can't make money on the body style.

    I think they should let Mazda have their day in the sun. We'll see how good the Mazda 6 is. You never know how good it is until you see it. A lot of the people in this forum said that the Altima was going to be their next car, jumping up and down, until they saw the interior. Then the Maxima, a car that was crucified became the savior and a better buy.

    We'll see how many of the Mazda 'converts' actually buy the Mazda 6. It could be "Did you see the new Honda Accord?!!!" "That's my next car!!!"
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    They need to if they want my money, that's all. ;-)

    The Mazda 6 interior has already been shown, and doesn't look all that special. That just isn't that high on my priority list, though.

  • I just bought a 2002 Altima SE and I really like it, except for one thing. I have the Bose system and from the time I drove off the lot, I have had static on all of the FM stations.

    A guy I work with thinks it's just a short, and I hope he's right because it's annoying.

    Has anyone else had this problem with their Altimas, and does anyone have any suggestions?
  • If Nissan is going to make an Altima coupe, this is what it'll look like:

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Besides the taillight housing (which itself is a different color), I don't see a whole lot of similarities.

  • So they put a prop rod on a $28,000 Altima, but leave hinges on a $25,000 Maxima?

    Pretty bizarre! Good thing I have a Maxima....BUT WAIT! The Altima has a prop rod and IRS but the Maxima has a hood hinge and a solid rear axle?

    Nissan, what ARE you thinking? Sometimes I wonder!

  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    I think the Altima's hood has holes that could be used for gas strut hinges. They probably designed the hood with hinges in mind, but then decided to not offer them, at least for now.
  • aftyafty Posts: 499
    That looks like a friggin spaceship!
  • brad45brad45 Posts: 27
    ahossa - Yes there is more interior noise than the accord. I like it. If you're looking for a silent ride look somewhere else. No, I never test drove the camry. I find the camry as inspiring as Steven Wright on sleeping pills (is that how he spells his name?). As for the soft ride - why would an IRS have a soft ride? The corvette has an IRS and it rides pretty darns stiff. The Altima is tuned sportier than the Accord and Camry, if most of your driving is in NYC you probably will never feel the benefit. I live in upstate and enjoy the sportier feel on back roads.

    regfootball - The interior plastic is cheaper than GM material? Get real. I've driven GMs all my life and the Altima interior is head and shoulders above anything offerd by GM (although I haven't been in any caddies lately). I'm not arguing that the Accord may have a higher quality "feel" to a lot of people, but let's not get carried away.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    neither is nice.

    a grand am has a nicer interior than an altima.

    I think my nephews fisher price play car has a nicer interior than both.

    all joking aside, seriously, the altima interior is poor. Not as bad as the interior of a 94 Lumina (that would be tough to match) but probably ranks up there with a Camaro in terms of plastic quality and assembly quality.
  • The Altima's interior might not be good as a Maxima, but the interior is WAY better, I mean WAY WAY WAY better than a darn Grand Am, Grand Prix,Bonneville, any Pontiac. I believe that the Altima's interior is cheap, but when I sit in a Pontiac, I'd think the Altima was a darn Lexus!!!
    What in the world makes the Grand Am's interior better than the Altimas? I've got to know!!!!
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    Nissan goofed on this one. The Altima interior is below average in build quality and materials quality.

    I normally yack at the site of a GM car, but after my recent test drive in the Altima it bothered me to the point that I most likely won't buy the car.

    Nissan CAN DO BETTER. The rest of the car is top notch. Should use struts on the hood by the way. I've had several cars in many degrees below zero weather and I've never had a problem with gas struts on the hood. The only struts I had difficulties with was on an old Omni. But hey that's a Chrysler, so I just assume that.

    The trunk gooseneck hinges have to go. Cheesy.

    The Kia Optima and Hyundai Sonata interiors are better than the Altima. Should I go on. The Inrigue is nicer, the ALero is nicer, the Galant....well, Galant is maybe equal. The Sebring and Stratus are yecky on the interior but still better than Altima. The Intrepid, which I thought was the king of cheap plastic is still better executed than Altima.

    The bland Accord looks positively luxury on the interior in camparison.
  • Just a few observations regarding the new Altima as I had a chance to drive one today. I was really impressed by the handling and the steering feel. The four-cylinder auto seemed reasonably powerful. It doesn't seem as smooth as the Accord or Camry four cylinders though. There seems to be a bit more road noise in the Altima vs. the other two cars and the ride is noticably firmer but I guess that's the price you pay for a better handling package.

    I took the Altima over some rough roads and noticed some squeaks and rattles coming from the interior trim. The Altima did not seem to be as tight and solid feeling over these roads compared to the Accord or Camry. I disappoints me do hear these kind of noises coming from a brand new car and makes me wonder how bad it would become over time.

    I guess what it comes down to is that the Altima is a more fun to drive package than either the Accord or Camry but Nissan need to resolve some fit and finish problems before it can match the high quality standards of its two competitors.
  • oac3oac3 Posts: 373
    welcome to the growing list of posters here that have said practically the same thing....

    maybe we can simply reduce or filter the whole argument to simple lingos:

    if you want driving excitement ---> buy the '02 Alty
    if you want quality overall ---> buy the CamCords

    if you want all of the above ---> buy the Maxima

    that is one way of summarizing succintly what we have spent 6+ months debating on this forum ....
  • The Altima isn't really as big of a "breakthrough" as many here would like to make it out to be. In fact, the Pontiac Grand Prix GTP is a 240 HP V6. Like the Altima, it has cheap cheesy interior, and is in the same general price range. Also hits 0 to 60 in 6.5 seconds IN AN AUTOMATIC.

    The one difference is the Grand Prix isn't offered in stick shift. But hey, good luck finding an Altima SE in 5 speed. There just aren't very many out there.
  • Below is an excerpt of the Edmunds review on the Pontiac Grand Prix. Just insert "Altima" wherever you see "Grand Prix"....

    "Have you ever dated a drop-dead gorgeous knockout who was the object of your desire...until
    he or she opened their mouth and tried to speak intelligently? Ruined the whole fantasy, didn't
    it? And if you stopped by this stunner's home for a visit, hoping a controlled substance had
    simply slurred their speech the first time you met, you found an unkempt shack with a
    flame-blackened Pinto on blocks in the yard and an unspeakable odor 5 feet from the front
    door. For many of us, thick, pouty lips and a taut body could not overcome the lack of, umm,
    refinement displayed by this potential partner.

    The Pontiac Grand Prix is the automotive equivalent of a trailer-park beauty queen, or king. It
    exhibits strong sex appeal and has moves that can lull you into submission, but is otherwise
    harsh on most of the senses most of the time."
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'm sure you could find gas struts from the aftermarket that would hold up the hood. They're available for the Miata, for example. It's a $40 part that shouldn't prevent you from buying a car you otherwise want.

    Kia and Hyundai still have exposed screw heads and exposed stitching on the shiny vinyl portions of the seats. IMHO they do not match the Altima's plain but functional interior.

    A manual transmission is a pre-requisite for a sports sedan. The dealer I visited had 2 SE 5 speeds ready to test, and one stickered at $25k, not $30k, not even $28k.

    Grand Prix? I really don't think someone shopping for a sporty imported sedan will cross shop a Pontiac. Besides, if wider is indeed better, the Intrigue is about an inch wider than the Grand Prix and comes with a longer warranty.

  • shriqueshrique Posts: 338
    Boy I can't take you seriously ever again. it's almost blasphemy comparing any decent car to a GM.
  • Funny thing is I took a Camry SE for a test spin and that thing rattled over every road imperfection. Add in the underpowered engine, poor handling and lack of manual and the Camry's about as attractive as a lobotomy.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    No V6/5 speed on Camry, either. One mag went as far as saying they like the SE 4 cylinder better than the V6.

    Back to the interior, opinions seem to vary. Kelley Blue Book like the "beautifully sculpted dash".

    Edmunds said the "affordable luxury car" tag line was never more true than it is today. Their review's only gripe was some displays being hard to read in sunlight. It's their top pick.

    Motorweek just said the interior was roomy and comfortable, but who cares when it reached 60mph in 5.9 seconds?

    Hmm, aluminum hood and trunk, too. If the hood is too heavy to lift and prop up with a rod, you probably have only been doing 12 ounce curls lately. ;-)

    Rear suspension adapted from the Skyline. Cool stuff.

  • lsclsc Posts: 210
    Just would like to do a quick poll on the car that people on this forum primarily drive.

    It's a good reference to see where some people are coming from and their viewpoints.

    I traded in my Infiniti J30t for the 2002 Altima 3.5 SE Automatic.

    Would have possibly bought the Camry, if I bought the 4-cyl. Don't like the Camry's rear drum brakes on the LE model, though.
  • What have they done to this car styling wise??. I've seen the car many times on the street and I cannot get over how odd the car looks. The butt sticks up in the air too much and it is too squarish. IMO the front doesn't go with the back. The new Lexus ES 300 has the same problem, although it is slighly less offensive than the Camry. I am sure this Camry is a great quality car, but in the styling dept. the Altima was drawn better.

    mis 2 centavos!

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Well, my wife is next in line to get a new car, and she drives a 1995 626 ES V6/5 speed.

    The 3.5SE would be on our short list. We'd look at several other sporty sedans under $30k before buying. I'd rather wait as long as possible, to see the new Mazda 6 and Accord, plus a few non-sedans.

  • shriqueshrique Posts: 338
    Personally I would have to say that he ES300 has possibly the ugliest headlights I've ever seen. They are WAY too large and they stick up and mess with the lines of the hood. Is it just me or does the ES300 and the Camry look a bit like the Echo?
  • gasman1gasman1 Posts: 321
    Traded a 2000 Saturn SL with 72K miles for the 2.5S auto w/conv pkg, micro-filter, auto-dim mirror, and fog lights. World of difference! MPG with 2,500 miles on it ranges from 30.8 to 34.5. Plenty of pep. Smooth and comfortable.

    Other vehicles in my household are 2001 Toyota Highlander V6 AWD and 2000 Ford Contour SE Sport with V6 and automatic.
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