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True Cost to Own (TCO): Revealing the Hidden Costs of Car Ownership
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2002 Nissan Altima 2.5S
$1250 Total Due at Signing (Includes the dealer paying off the remaining payments on the current Altima- a total of about $800)
$295 per month
39 Month Lease
12,000 Miles per Year
I was hoping to go lower (about $270 per month) but it took a lot of negotiating to get it down this far. I called several other dealers in the area and they said they could not even come close. The closest I got with the same terms was $315 per month.
Before they decide, I would like to know if this is a good deal.
I appreciate your quick responses.
AS
I am on the Impala sedan section of Edmunds and find very helpful info there..are you guys as good? Thanks if you have any ideas. Bye for now
My other question is whether or not I should shop other Nissan dealers in my area in the mean time for a better price on the car as well as trade-in value, or will the dealers not play that comparison shopping game with me? thanks for the help.
Felisa
That sounds like a good deal from what I can tell considering that the dealership I went to wanted a 20,304 for a base altima with Automatic tranny and sunroof.
Does anyone think that the deal I got offered on an altima is a good one? See post #3307.
AS
We ended up with a Legacy wagon, which offers Pathfinder levels of space for a price of just $17,827 (plus only tax). Hard to beat, considering it has ABS w/4 discs, AWD, PW/PL/PS, cruise, keyless, carpets, A/C, etc.
That money would buy only a very basic Altima. The side crash test scores turned her off, and the fact that she preferred the Maxima meant she wasn't willing to stretch into the 3.5SE price range.
Oh well, thanks anyway to all the folks here for the tips and advice. This thread has been fun lately, civil and polite.
-juice
My co-worker has one of those Outback wagons, and they are very spacious inside. I wouldn't mind having one of them, but I have no use for a wagon.
Grand High Poobah
The Fraternal Order of Procrastinators
Ours is actually the plain Legacy L, no Outback two-tone, no raised suspension, no gold wheels. It lacks a couple of features but is priced more competitively. It's lighter and I'd say feels quicker, too.
But Outbacks outsell all other Legacys 3 to 1, they are so trendy!
-juice
The same dealer sells Altimas, also at no-haggle prices, but it was hard to find a lightly equipped 5 speed that had ABS. Not anywhere near our price, anyway.
-juice
I like that Subaru made ABS standard on every car they sell, makes it easier to shop. 5 speeds are easy to find, too.
-juice
I have seen Jettas (mine is one of them) go for more than $17K, and they are smaller and less powerful. Also, these were 2.0s!
-juice
So I was able to compare real-world prices and features back with no hassles.
-juice
As far as ABS on Altimas....I have yet to see a 2.5S with ABS, all the Altimas I have seen just about have the Convenience pkg., auto mirror, flaps, and floor mats for an MSRP of $21,514.. NO Altima has ABS standard in the US. Not even the high, expensive 3.5SE!! It's a shame, because isn't it standard on AT least the 2.5SL and
3.5SE in Canada?
In fairness, Accord 4 cylinders only have ABS on the pricey EX. Camry makes them a la carte options, $258 for ABS and $430 for the bags, or $688 for both.
Subaru made ABS standard, the L does not offer the side and curtain airbags. But the side impact test scores were good enough without them.
-juice
However, to the point that it is mandatory to buy an EX Accord to get ABS, such is not the case.
The Japanese in general continue to be a bit schizoid and all over the map in terms of their commitment to safety features in this class of car. They continue to want to force you upmarket in terms of either trim or badge to get what you want. A particularly galling example is Mazda forcing any buyer of ABS/Side Bags to take a sunroof on certain Protege models - the two features have nothing to do with one another and thus a safety minded buyer winds up paying more than twice the value of the safety package alone, as well as sacrificing headroom. Examples of this abound in most of the Japanese makes priced under $25k...
Thanks.
I totally agree with you, though. To get ABS on a CR-V you have to take a sunroof and alloys wheels, so to get safety you have to pay for appearance items.
Subaru is the exception. ABS is on every car they make, period. Even the base Impreza wagons have it. AWD, too.
-juice
A quick tip on the Altimas w/ black interior. Try using Armor All non-greasy finish formula. It makes a huge difference. The plastic doesn't look as cheap.
Here are my suggestions:
1) Make ABS standard
2) Redesign the entire interior,and use better material.
3) Add adjustable rear headrest(the new Mazda6, Camry and probably the new Accord have this feature.)
4) Add a V6/Luxury variant.
5) Add a power passenger's seat(afterall, this new Altima costs as much as last year's Maxima, and the Maxima came with a power passenger seat if you ordered leather.)
6) Fix the gas release button, add it to the door where the trunk release is found
7) Make clear taillights optional.(They look OKAY, but I prefer red ones.)
8) Add Frost leather to the mix
9) Add blond leather to Seascape and Opal Blue. Wasn't Blond available with Opal on the 2001 Altima?
10) Give the SE sportier-looking rims
Do not get me wrong, I still love and want the Altima, but the more I look, the more I want the Mazda6. The Altima is bigger and better looking, but the new 6 seems superior in areas where the Altima lacks. (Interior material/craftmanship) I mean right now I drive a 1992 Honda Accord DX(the Basic Accord) and it has better material than even the top of the line Altima. I can't help but complain! It's a shame that Nissan would do some of the stupid things they do!
Also, why can't I get a fully loaded Altima 3.5SE with manual transmission and ABS. In order to get the Altima with ABS and Leather, the sunroof option is deleted! That is so stupid IMO. Does Nissan not want to make a sale. My goodness, that is really dumb,it almost makes you want to choose the Maxima.......
I wish Nissan did like Honda
2.5S
Basic, like an Accord LX, power driver's seat, ABS
2.5SX
Power sunroof(Maybe make it optional), Bose audio, sunshade, convenience pkg.
2.5SL
Leather upholstery, power sunroof(maybe make it optional),power front seats with heaters, automatic climate control(the 4cylinder Camry has it.), ABS
3.5SX:
Just like the 2.5S plus the V6(similar to the Accord LXV6) Options:Sunroof, Xenons, BOSE
3.5SE:
The way it is now,only with ABS standard, maybe even make the BOSE standard.Add power passenger's seat with leather.
3.5SLE: The V6 SL, added stability control, real wood trim, dual-zone automatic climate control, power passenger's seat.
Here are the options for each model:
2.5S: NO options
2.5SX: Power sunroof, BOSE audio
2.5SL: Power sunroof
3.5SX: Power sunroof, BOSe audio, Xenons
3.5SE: Power sunroof, Xenons, Leather pkg.(which includes dual-zone climate control, heated front seats, power passenger's seat.)
3.5SLE: Power sunroof
With minimal options like these, Nissan would save comsumers money, and it would cut down on the manuafacturing cost, thus saving them money. This is all my opinon though.
My perfect Altima:
Nissan Altima 3.5SLE, 5spd manual with Power sunroof
Colors:
Noveau Ruby w/Blond, Frost or Charcoal
Satin White w/ Blond, Frost or Charcoal
Opal Blue w/ Blond, Frost or Charcoal
Mystic Emerald w/ Blond, Frost or Charcoal
Seascape w/Blond, Frost or Charcoal
Velvet Beige w/ Blond
Polished Pewter w/ Blond,Frost or Charcoal
Or maybe Nissan could just start making Honda's ;-)
But I agree about ABS, because that's not something easily added. It should be standard, at least on the S models and up.
Not like Honda, though. I was just pointing out you can't get a 5 speed with ABS for much less than $20k. Honda needs to make ABS standard too, or at least offer it on LX and SE models with 5 speeds.
-juice
A good price on Nissan Gold Preferred would be 833.00.
I ended up buying a 2002 Solara SE, much quieter and smoother than the Altima.
Please I need advice quick.
Dealers have "ears", really headphones with sensitive microphones to trace the source.
That rust is a bad sign, shouldn't the steel be galvanized? A warranty probably only covers perforation, though. I'd get naval jelly and clean it carefully, then wash it and apply touch-up paint. Do this ASAP to prevent any more surface rust.
-juice
$ 500 seems steep.
-juice
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