You guys know what when you purchase a new car or truck, it sucks when you get that first initial scratch! It is a truck but I can understand Ryan's point of wanting to keep it looking as good as possible for as long as possible.
Thats why you park a mile away and the walk is good for you anyway
People fight for parking spots in front of the grocery store. Nobody wants to park on the side and thats OK with me, its a good place to park your investment.
Same goes for parking at work and various other places.
Jim...I'm in the same position as you. It's between a Silverado LT or Tundra Limited. With the Chevy, you get more bang for the buck. With the Tundra, you get refinement/quality, but at a 7/8 size vehicle. I'm really impressed with the Silverado..performance, styling and a mind-boggling choice of configurations. The interior is very impressive and carlike. My pwrtrain pref is 5.3 w/3.73 rear which I test drove. Good acceleration, climbing and handling. But like you, I'm apprehensive when reading the negative posts on things like powertrain or build quality. I also test drove the Tundra, which has that silky smooth twin-cammer. It's a really good performer on the freeway and on the street, though I didn't get to drive it up any hills. The interior is very conservative and not nearly as roomy or cozy as the Chevy. Major turnoff to me is Toyota's system of installing unwanted option pkgs at Distributor. Unlike GM, it's virtually impossible to configure one to your liking. A Silverado LT w/OnStar can be had for about 26k here in San Antonio....a comparable Tundra Limited would run about 27.5k. At the ripe old age of 52, this will be my first truck (I live in Texas and have never owned cowboy boots, either!!). I currently drive a '98 Prelude and had a 94 Mustang Cobra before that. This will be a major change for me, so I'll probably keep a close eye on your msg thread and others before making a final decision. Good Luck!!
I did park far away always do. I also only park where 1 car can park next to me (passenger side)
On a side note 1949 and jaguar
Just remember people are more vocal about problems. People will always complain rather than praise. Look at stores. I know where i work (lumber yard) we get more complaints than praise because people are always so quick to talk about the bad rather than the good. Id say for every negative comment here there are 25-50 people very satisfied with no complaints (i am just guessing those numbers are nothing accurate).
I know after 14K miles I wouldnt trade my truck for anything (except maybe a 2500 HD CC). It has had very minor problems and i hope it stays that way. It gets more fun to drive each and everyday.
Good luck with your decision and my suggestion test drive them all before you buy.
Well said Ryan.....I work in a large hospital handling patient complaints. As you say, people are quick to complain and criticize, but statements of praise are few and far between. When I read the negative posts about the Chevs, I do stop to consider the sheer number of these trucks that are on the road. Unfortunately, their are nitpickers in that group too, that will complain about any and everything. Adding to what you said, I'd guess we'd have to factor in the number of satisfied owners out there who don't comment. Thanks for your insight.
what you need to think about is about the 500,000 out of 850,000 GM pickup owners that are return buyers. GM truck owners are very loyal, you don't get return buyers and loyalty like that unless you are satisfying most of your customer base.
You all have valid points about the trucks. I always am quick to forget about all of the people out there who are happy with there Chevy Silverado's and either do not post anything or may not even have access to the internet! (If you can believe that!) I am in systems (IT/IS) whatever you want to call it. The area I live in is kinda exspensive (tri state area) and most people have BMW's Mercedes, etc. Those cars do not thrill me and I would much rather own a truck! Always have except for the past few years I switched to cars due to my commute/job etc.
I think Ive made my decision and its going to be the Chevy Silverado. My only decsion at this point in the game is to get a 2001? Or wait a bit and get a 2002? Not sure how things will pan out but I will keep you guys posted!
John - I totally agree with you about the Tundra's. You definitely get more bang for you buck with the Chevy, more room, hp etc. I am going with GM and hope not to have any major problems. I feel pretty confident after seeing posts online and the fact that my whole family drives Chevy's except for me!!! LOL
Jim, as I mentioned in my earlier post, I am leaning heavily toward a Silverado LT. I'm one to give all mfr's a chance during my research, so I decided to test-drive an F150 Lariat Supercrew with 5.4 and 3.55 limited-slip rear. If you're open to Fords, definitely test-drive this one or a supercab with the 5.4. Performance was great!! Interior is high-quality and well laid out. Needless to say, lots of room. Also..check out Edmunds road-test of Supercrew. Also check out the long-term road test of '99 GMC Sierra SLT..OUCH!!..hope that particular sample was a fluke. I think that was the first year of the current Sierra/Silverado. Gotta say..I was so impressed by the SuperCrew that now I'm again undecided. You mention 2001 vs 2002. I don't anticipate any major changes. Would go for 2001 since they've got tons on the lots with a flood of incentives. Have you configured/priced here on the 'net? Edmunds is great...but, have you visited www.carbuyingtips.com? Worth a visit, if you haven't.
It's a Ford! (They're too cheap to put numbers on the gauges!) LOL!
Actually I like them. Something about the inside is a bit bland for me. (Not the Lariat of course)
I like the 17 inch wheels, bed rail caps, and they sit taller than Chevys.
Styling is okay, but a bit long in tooth now. I'd like it if they found a way to put the F250 big rig styling cues on it, the way Dodge did with Dakota.
I still like the GM automatic transmissions better. The 5.4L engine is about as good as GM 5.3L, maybe a bit more sophisticated with over head cams. Ford should have finished the job with 32 valves. GM engine wins the EPA fuel economy run.
The fun part about this site is the "knowledge" we garner. A buddy just bought a used '00 GMC Sierra 4x4 with all the bells and whistles.(despite my pleadings not to. LOL!!) It's a nice truck but has a lot of the standard probs I've read on here. There's a definite clunking in the steering wheel which he didn't notice till I pointed it out! Some noise underneath that I traced to a lousy weld job on a Flowmaster(not GM's fault obviously) I was thinking it might be the 2wd clunk that was showing up here. There is definetly an intermittent ping that comes and goes. It seems to be dependant on the heat. The temp's been up and down a lot lately. Truck has 30,000 miles on it so he shouldn't have a problem getting it handled.
Friends '01 Supercrew had to have a windshield replaced right away. It was actually optically screwed up right in the middle and barely above the dash. No other probs yet with 12000 miles.
Quad, just picked up wifey's Raptor. It almost makes me want to give up the Husaberg!!! Guess I'm getting old.
Heaven forbid if it was new. Flows are sold to everyone and anyone who installs or wants to install mufflers or exhaust. Wouldn't surprise me what the weld actually looked like. Who knows maybe the previous owner welded it himself.
I could of been like DB and said the GMC was new and then later said it was a commercial gardening truck that sold ice cream on the weekends and ......!!! LOL!!
Years and beers later, I'm only 1/2 the man I used to be. What's a Raptor? ATV?
My DR350 came back tired and weak after last trip to Utah. It's been in the shop last 4-5 weeks. Almost done, I'm told. Getting Wiseco 10.5:1 piston, 0.020 over (375 cc), new cam chain, head ported, White Bros stage 1 cam, new clutch with HD springs, some airbox work. My friend George at Arvada Cycle is doing the work. He charges one price for his customers. His "friends" (like me) pay a little more, Ha!
Anyway...can't wait to ride again. Looks like we are going to ride Texas Creek (Colorado) for Memorial Day. (Come on out. A few of us even drive Fords!)
I have test driven an F-150 Super cab. Pretty much loaded with 4x4 package et al... I really did not like the way it drove, handled, comfort in seats etc. As far as the Supercrew, as Ryan stated, I need the bed room so with the extra two doors and lack of bed space, I would not go for the Supercrew Lariat. Im sure its a nice truck but I still think Im going with the Chevy. IMO its way nicer than the Ford, Dodge, and Tundra.
I will keep you posted however on my findings and dealings with local dealers.
Thanks for the link. I went to www.gmbuypower.com and filled it out. The dealer is literally no more than two miles from where I live right now. I will let you and the board now how my dealings with them are! Hopefully I will be driving a Silverado within the next couple of weeks... Unless I have to order a 2002 which I figure I would get sometime in July!
>Quad, just picked up wifey's Raptor. It almost makes me want to give up the Husaberg!!!<
Now I got 'ya. Lucky wife! Faster than the Banshee? Bet it is...
I know the feeling. Rode around on my buddie's new XR650R. Most of my trail riding pals say nah...too heavy. But they're wrong...it's got awesome handling, easier to start than anything with that much torque has a right to. Most of us are either on XR400's, WR400's, DRZ400's, or KTM 2 strokes.
Didn't have any pictures of my Slozuki Quadrunner500, which is actually my wifes. I'm a two wheel guy.
Buddy just picked up a XR650R. I wasn't that impressed stock. Then he did a very simple hop up kit(jets, silencer(?) I think 1 or 2 other things) I'm pretty sure it'll run with my Husaberg now. I've been waiting for a throttle cable for a month now. Let you know when we run them!!
What sold me on the Raptor was all that performance PLUS reverse and electric start!!!
The housing that goes in the top of the carb is a hard line about 4" long. It has about a 45 degree bend before turning back into the plastic/rubber housing. The hard line is what's broke. Is this something that can be fixed???
What happened is I ordered the cable from Cycle Gear a month ago and a cable came in last Friday. Of course it was the wrong one. I have the Dell Orto(sp?) carb that has a ball on one end(throttle grip side) and a threaded end that attaches to the slide(carb side)
Definitely plan on hitting multiple dealers. Im working with two right now and plan on hitting them all.. Whoever gives me the best deal gets the cash!!!!!!!!!!!
to the dealer tonight. I think I may have to order a 2002 from what the dealers in my area have told me. I guess all the 2001's that I am looking for are gone!
Definitely getting a Silverado LS. I was hoping for a 2001 but not much luck.
I am looking for...
Light Metallic Pewter with Graphite Interior (cloth)
5.3L V8 Heated Outside Mirrors Rear Window Defroster (Have to get this with mirrors) Bucket Seats with floor console Locking Rear Differential Z71 Package? (Unsure) Fog Lights Deep Tinted Rear Windows
That's all I can remember right now. LOL... Last night I did go to a dealer right down the street from me. Unfortunately I did NOT have a good experience. The guy jerked me around for like 2 hours.... and this was through gmbuypower.com to boot. I will post more later and my experience with the dealer. What a jerk!
Jim
P.S. Ryan... what state are u in???
I am in Northern New Jersey.. If anyone can recommend any good dealers (NO BS) in the tri state area, pls let me know!!!!!!!
I hated the dealerships in my area. They were all a bunch of $&*%#&*#.
First place guy didnt know difference between bucket and bench seats. Then hollared at me for going in the "no trespassing" lot even though he was by the gate and i was going up to talk to him
Second place guy wanted to add all these cheap accessories which i didnt want i specified what i wanted and he told me no this is what i can get you. This is the guy mind you my parents bought a blazer from just a few months prior.
Third i was sitting in a truck talking to a salesman for about 20 min then i told him i am ordering a truck in a month. He actually turned didnt say a word and walked away.
Fourth salesman was a very nice guy. Talked for like 45 min. I was using the gm supplier deal and their dealership would only accept it for trucks on the lot no orders.
Fifth i ran into a crazy woman saleslady. She blew so much smoke out of her butt it was amazing. Everything she said was a lie (i knew this but didnt show i knew).
Sixth and final about a yr and a half before i bought my truck i emailed a few dealerships in indiana. One actually replied. I had no clue where he was located. We talked all the time i had him build trucks in his system and get price quotes. Id say once a wk i got a new quote. I drove him nuts. Found out his place was about 3 hrs away. If you told me i would have bought my truck there when i first started talking to this guy i would have said you were nuts. Well i did. Sometimes you have to travel for great service. It was like night and day being so close to chicago salesman dont care. My uncle even sells chevys and i didnt even buy from him cause he was a *&$(&#^#.
I hate salesman. Wish i could just go online order my truck get a price and have it delivered. Screw the middle man. Just keep looking there are some good people out there they are just very hard to find.
So.. here is my saga. Not too bad considering what Ive read on some other people's posts!
Contacted Hawthorne Chevrolet here in Northern New Jersey. They are literally less than two miles from where I live. Found them through www.gmbuypower.com. Spoke to the "Internet Sales Manager" (Mike B.. dont want to post his full name here. If anyone reads this and has any questions, e mail me at jl_griff@yahoo.com) Anyway I go over what I was looking for in a truck (See above)
So I call him on a Sat knowing that I would not be able to go to the dealer until at least that Wednesday. He told me he would check his inventory and perform a "locate". I say fine lets meet on Wed but he had the day off. I said OK Thurs and he was like cool. About two days later he e mails me and says he found a truck and also let me know the price which I found to be good. So.. I call him Thurs night.. see you around 7ish I tell him.
My wife and I get there and immediately I could tell he was a jerk (just a gut feeling) Mind you prior to this on the phone he SEEMED great.
He takes me out back in the lot and shows me a 2500? Im like Mike Im looking for a 1500 not a 2500. To boot, it was charcoal gray and not pewter?! He was like oh im sorry I could have sworn you were looking for a 2500? I was like whatever.. we go to his office and he goes through his inventory yada yada yah.
He shows me that he has nothing.. he is going to locate one now. He leaves of course so finally he comes back. Tells my wife and I that he used to have the locate program on his pc.. but now its broke and the only other guy that has it is another salesman who is using it. Then he gives us a sob story that the guy who is using it is like 47 years old and dying from cancer. OK let me say this. Im not there for sob stores and I DO feel bad for the guy (if he is telling the truth) but dude think of something else to talk about if you want to make idle chatter.. sooooooooooo
He leave and comes back with trucks that are wayyyyyyyy more exp than what I am looking for. Im like what are you talking about? Well see if you like any of these. So I ask him "Can you order me a 2002?" He says no not really pricing is not in yet. Meanwhile when I asked him this on the phone he was like sure sure... no problem. I can order you one! So I said I dont want that truck find me a closer match. He does the old disappearing act again.. so do my wife and I. So.. I walk around the showrroom, sit in some Silverado's etc.. finally get back to his office and he is there. He finds me yet another truck which has more than what im looking for. After going back and forth on price he then tells me I can order you a 2001. I say why did you not tell me this before hand? One big cricket from him. He leaves and says let me double check... Comes back and says sorry cant do a 2001 but they are starting to build 2002's in June. I said look. If you want to make a deal I will offer you 28K for that truck. He tells me its below invoice.......... whatever. If you want to do business 28K. I know that the truck is worth somewhere around there based upon internet/invoice pricing. He leaves pretty much saying yes... Then he comes back from his manager and says we are taking off the trailering package and you got a deal. I said no. You will not. And to boot, my offer stands at 28K. He gets all pissed off and walks out. Now my wife and I are losing patience, we have been there for over an hour already.
He comes back and says this is my best price. It was like 29,143 or something like that. He goes on to say that if I want the 40/20/40 vs the reclining bucket seats he could do better.. Tells me that I am pretty much wasting his time. My wife thankfully had just walked out b4 that! I tell him ditto.. thanks for wasting my f$#%*&! time. I could have been doing better things or spent quality time on a dealer that wants my $$$$$.
He tries to still walk me out saying he still wants my business. I said dont bother I know my way out and you already lost my business. I spent over 2 hours there just to get jerked around. I thought GM Buy Power was supposed to be a haggle free exp? Anyway I might be missing some of the points here and there but that is the basic jist of it. It seems that domestic car dealerships still have the 1940 salesmanship mentality. Its a real shame... They should get with the times and realize people do not have all this time to waste now adays in a dealership you know??
Will post more later! I have some good news to tell ya....
Its not too late! Rethink your decision and get a real heavy duty 1/2 ton - the Tundra.
The Silverado has 3" less ground clearance. Better not ever think of offroading it.
It has weak three piece frame rails to make it cheap. Tundra has heavily boxed one piece frame rails.
The Silverado has no standard transmission or oil coolers. Can you say WIMPY!
The Silverado's stock suspension is only rated for 4500lb. You can't get a tow hitch without upgrading the suspension. The Tundra tows 7200 with the stock suspension.
The Silverado uses those weak S-10 drivetrains. The Tacoma has a beefier drivetrain.
The Silverado has 40% Less drivetrain warranty. It is simple to see that Chev does not trust their own drivetrains. I wonder why?
The Silverado has weak brakes. The Tundra stops much shorter loaded with 1200lb than the Silverado does empty.
The Silverado has only 160 rear wheel horsepower. Edmund's tested it. WEAK! Chev claims 285 - where did those extra 125 horses go?
It is not too late! Loosen up on those Chevy blinders of yours.
Since April 9 there has been one post to the Tundra problems topic asking how to fill the transmission. There have been 152 posts to the Silverado problems topic.
Consumer Reports has rated the '99 Silverado a used vehicle to avoid. They rated the '00 Silverado reliability "much worse than average"
They rated the '00 Tundra "better than average". I am sure that the '01 will do better.
Youre lies are getting old provide us with some facts.
One fact, just one I'd like for you to prove is your claim that the Silverado uses S10 drivetrains.
Actually I wish it was true, can you imagine a 496 S10 with a factory warranty?
I'd buy one.
Do you even know what a 496 is?
Last time I checked the S10 had no V8 available but the Silverado had 5.
And the grocery-getting limp-wristed-women only need apply tundra? 1.
Yes just 1 V8.
One.
And its smaller than all of the V8's in the Silverado and to quote you its "WIMPY" and a gas guzzler, just look at the EPA ratings.
Why is it that a bigger truck with more capabilities more interior space and more available options gets better mileage than toyotas wannabe full size truck?
Maybe because Chevy knows what full size means and what its customers want.
Can you get positraction on your tundra? You can on the Silverado.
you still on this 3" GC thing? this is pathetic, even after BCO gave ya a pop on the noggin and proved to you that toyota measured their clearance in a false way(of which proves they need help) you still bring this up. as for HP and performance goes... well, you've obviously been spanked by a rado a few times and YOU know which vehicle has the power. please go back to the library and read up before you spew. another thought that comes to my mind though, is what is it about the 3" dimension that really disturbs you? ill bet it's something quite personal. good luck with this one now.
Sorry to hear about your experience. To bad your not closer to indiana my salesman was great. My truck (fully loaded LS) stickered at 33K cost me $27 something before taxes. Hes is crazy you offered 28K and he wanted to delete a $245 option (towing pkg).
I think you've misread the post. Jag was discussing the dealership and not the vehicle. The vehicle has been decided upon. The dealership remains the question. AND Toyota dealerships are known to be.....well let's just say....NO better than the rest. In fact I know a few people who refuse to buy Toyota products based on the presales experiences they had at a Toyota dealership...myself included.
I actually have a good dealership experience to post. I currently live in west LA (that's Louisiana). Went to the only Chevy dealership in town (only two w/in a 60 mile radius) and the first salesman I meet is more than happy to show me trucks. I tell him I have already scouted out all of the 2500HDs and know they are autos. I want a manual tranny. But I want to look at the door set up: CC vs EC, and bed lengths. We even do two test drives of the 6.0L (no 8.1L in stock). He knows I'm not ready to buy but still spends over 3 hours with me looking at truck bed lengths, door configuration, locating trucks on the computer, building a 2002 truck, etc. He even found me the only 8.1L in the area, over an hour away, that I can go test drive. VERY helpful guy! I surely hope I can get the price I want because this has been the best dealership I've been to to date. Granted, I haven't talked to a sales manager yet, but if he/she is anything like this guy, they have my business! I've heard how much easier and hassle-free it is to use those internet sites like stoneage.com and autobytel.com, but guess I'm still a bit leary of that...
"The Silverado has no standard transmission or oil coolers. Can you say WIMPY!"
So what factory-installed towing equipment is the Tundra available with? Get real-Toyota won't even ship a Tundra from the factory with a hitch receiver! The Silverado 1/2t I own came with the following towing equipment FACTORY INSTALLED: trailer hitch receiver, 8-point wire hookup, transmission oil cooler and tow-haul modes for the transmission, 9000lb tow rating and harness for an electric trailer brake controller.
is just about stupid on an extended cab pickup. Unless you have a 5 foot armspan how do you reach it anyway? Doh! Forgot with the Tundra's teeny ext-cab space you can probably reach it okay! Question Bama: If your truck has no towing hitch why do you need any oil coolers? Is it because Tundras overheat at the slightest bit of work? Why does Toyota add oil coolers but not install a hitch at the factory?
regarding the 4 wheel steering, i've asked the chevy and gmc dealers about it. Asked about 5 dealers in NW indiana, none has heard of it. Where did the 4 wheel steering news come from?
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My opinion anyways....
People fight for parking spots in front of the grocery store. Nobody wants to park on the side and thats OK with me, its a good place to park your investment.
Same goes for parking at work and various other places.
Could not agree with you more. I do the same thing myself. Walking is good excercise!
You said a mouthful! But sooooooo truthful... no sense getting into a fist fight (or getting a ding) on a new Silverado!
A Silverado LT w/OnStar can be had for about 26k here in San Antonio....a comparable Tundra Limited would run about 27.5k.
At the ripe old age of 52, this will be my first truck (I live in Texas and have never owned cowboy boots, either!!). I currently drive a '98 Prelude and had a 94 Mustang Cobra before that. This will be a major change for me, so I'll probably keep a close eye on your msg thread and others before making a final decision. Good Luck!!
John
On a side note 1949 and jaguar
Just remember people are more vocal about problems. People will always complain rather than praise. Look at stores. I know where i work (lumber yard) we get more complaints than praise because people are always so quick to talk about the bad rather than the good. Id say for every negative comment here there are 25-50 people very satisfied with no complaints (i am just guessing those numbers are nothing accurate).
I know after 14K miles I wouldnt trade my truck for anything (except maybe a 2500 HD CC). It has had very minor problems and i hope it stays that way. It gets more fun to drive each and everyday.
Good luck with your decision and my suggestion test drive them all before you buy.
Ryan
John
You all have valid points about the trucks. I always am quick to forget about all of the people out there who are happy with there Chevy Silverado's and either do not post anything or may not even have access to the internet! (If you can believe that!) I am in systems (IT/IS) whatever you want to call it. The area I live in is kinda exspensive (tri state area) and most people have BMW's Mercedes, etc. Those cars do not thrill me and I would much rather own a truck! Always have except for the past few years I switched to cars due to my commute/job etc.
I think Ive made my decision and its going to be the Chevy Silverado. My only decsion at this point in the game is to get a 2001? Or wait a bit and get a 2002? Not sure how things will pan out but I will keep you guys posted!
John - I totally agree with you about the Tundra's. You definitely get more bang for you buck with the Chevy, more room, hp etc. I am going with GM and hope not to have any major problems. I feel pretty confident after seeing posts online and the fact that my whole family drives Chevy's except for me!!! LOL
Take care,
Jim
John
Actually I like them. Something about the inside is a bit bland for me. (Not the Lariat of course)
I like the 17 inch wheels, bed rail caps, and they sit taller than Chevys.
Styling is okay, but a bit long in tooth now. I'd like it if they found a way to put the F250 big rig styling cues on it, the way Dodge did with Dakota.
I still like the GM automatic transmissions better. The 5.4L engine is about as good as GM 5.3L, maybe a bit more sophisticated with over head cams. Ford should have finished the job with 32 valves. GM engine wins the EPA fuel economy run.
Pick one!
A buddy just bought a used '00 GMC Sierra 4x4 with all the bells and whistles.(despite my pleadings not to. LOL!!) It's a nice truck but has a lot of the standard probs I've read on here. There's a definite clunking in the steering wheel which he didn't notice till I pointed it out! Some noise underneath that I traced to a lousy weld job on a Flowmaster(not GM's fault obviously) I was thinking it might be the 2wd clunk that was showing up here. There is definetly an intermittent ping that comes and goes. It seems to be dependant on the heat. The temp's been up and down a lot lately. Truck has 30,000 miles on it so he shouldn't have a problem getting it handled.
Friends '01 Supercrew had to have a windshield replaced right away. It was actually optically screwed up right in the middle and barely above the dash. No other probs yet with 12000 miles.
Quad, just picked up wifey's Raptor. It almost makes me want to give up the Husaberg!!! Guess I'm getting old.
Now of course if he had bought a rado....
I could of been like DB and said the GMC was new and then later said it was a commercial gardening truck that sold ice cream on the weekends and ......!!! LOL!!
My DR350 came back tired and weak after last trip to Utah. It's been in the shop last 4-5 weeks. Almost done, I'm told. Getting Wiseco 10.5:1 piston, 0.020 over (375 cc), new cam chain, head ported, White Bros stage 1 cam, new clutch with HD springs, some airbox work. My friend George at Arvada Cycle is doing the work. He charges one price for his customers. His "friends" (like me) pay a little more, Ha!
Anyway...can't wait to ride again. Looks like we are going to ride Texas Creek (Colorado) for Memorial Day. (Come on out. A few of us even drive Fords!)
http://www.picturetrail.com/quadrunner500
Ryan
I will keep you posted however on my findings and dealings with local dealers.
Regards,
Jim
Just curious
i would suggest trying
http://www.gmbuypower.com
You can contact different dealerships in your area.
Very nice feature
Raptor info: http://www.660r.com/
Ryan, I already told him.
I live in New Jersey. I will check out the link.
Thanks,
Jim
Thanks for the link. I went to www.gmbuypower.com and filled it out. The dealer is literally no more than two miles from where I live right now. I will let you and the board now how my dealings with them are! Hopefully I will be driving a Silverado within the next couple of weeks... Unless I have to order a 2002 which I figure I would get sometime in July!
Wish me luck....
Jim
Dont just stick with one
Now I got 'ya. Lucky wife! Faster than the Banshee? Bet it is...
I know the feeling. Rode around on my buddie's new XR650R. Most of my trail riding pals say nah...too heavy. But they're wrong...it's got awesome handling, easier to start than anything with that much torque has a right to. Most of us are either on XR400's, WR400's, DRZ400's, or KTM 2 strokes.
Didn't have any pictures of my Slozuki Quadrunner500, which is actually my wifes. I'm a two wheel guy.
What sold me on the Raptor was all that performance PLUS reverse and electric start!!!
What happened is I ordered the cable from Cycle Gear a month ago and a cable came in last Friday. Of course it was the wrong one. I have the Dell Orto(sp?) carb that has a ball on one end(throttle grip side) and a threaded end that attaches to the slide(carb side)
Let me know what you think!!!
Thanx.
Definitely plan on hitting multiple dealers. Im working with two right now and plan on hitting them all.. Whoever gives me the best deal gets the cash!!!!!!!!!!!
I will keep you guys posted.
Jim
What options are you looking at getting for sure and what are you deciding on?
I am looking for...
Light Metallic Pewter with Graphite Interior (cloth)
5.3L V8
Heated Outside Mirrors
Rear Window Defroster (Have to get this with mirrors)
Bucket Seats with floor console
Locking Rear Differential
Z71 Package? (Unsure)
Fog Lights
Deep Tinted Rear Windows
That's all I can remember right now. LOL... Last night I did go to a dealer right down the street from me. Unfortunately I did NOT have a good experience. The guy jerked me around for like 2 hours.... and this was through gmbuypower.com to boot. I will post more later and my experience with the dealer. What a jerk!
Jim
P.S. Ryan... what state are u in???
I am in Northern New Jersey.. If anyone can recommend any good dealers (NO BS) in the tri state area, pls let me know!!!!!!!
I hated the dealerships in my area. They were all a bunch of $&*%#&*#.
First place guy didnt know difference between bucket and bench seats. Then hollared at me for going in the "no trespassing" lot even though he was by the gate and i was going up to talk to him
Second place guy wanted to add all these cheap accessories which i didnt want i specified what i wanted and he told me no this is what i can get you. This is the guy mind you my parents bought a blazer from just a few months prior.
Third i was sitting in a truck talking to a salesman for about 20 min then i told him i am ordering a truck in a month. He actually turned didnt say a word and walked away.
Fourth salesman was a very nice guy. Talked for like 45 min. I was using the gm supplier deal and their dealership would only accept it for trucks on the lot no orders.
Fifth i ran into a crazy woman saleslady. She blew so much smoke out of her butt it was amazing. Everything she said was a lie (i knew this but didnt show i knew).
Sixth and final about a yr and a half before i bought my truck i emailed a few dealerships in indiana. One actually replied. I had no clue where he was located. We talked all the time i had him build trucks in his system and get price quotes. Id say once a wk i got a new quote. I drove him nuts. Found out his place was about 3 hrs away. If you told me i would have bought my truck there when i first started talking to this guy i would have said you were nuts. Well i did. Sometimes you have to travel for great service. It was like night and day being so close to chicago salesman dont care. My uncle even sells chevys and i didnt even buy from him cause he was a *&$(&#^#.
I hate salesman. Wish i could just go online order my truck get a price and have it delivered. Screw the middle man. Just keep looking there are some good people out there they are just very hard to find.
Ryan
Contacted Hawthorne Chevrolet here in Northern New Jersey. They are literally less than two miles from where I live. Found them through www.gmbuypower.com. Spoke to the "Internet Sales Manager" (Mike B.. dont want to post his full name here. If anyone reads this and has any questions, e mail me at jl_griff@yahoo.com) Anyway I go over what I was looking for in a truck (See above)
So I call him on a Sat knowing that I would not be able to go to the dealer until at least that Wednesday. He told me he would check his inventory and perform a "locate". I say fine lets meet on Wed but he had the day off. I said OK Thurs and he was like cool. About two days later he e mails me and says he found a truck and also let me know the price which I found to be good. So.. I call him Thurs night.. see you around 7ish I tell him.
My wife and I get there and immediately I could tell he was a jerk (just a gut feeling) Mind you prior to this on the phone he SEEMED great.
He takes me out back in the lot and shows me a 2500? Im like Mike Im looking for a 1500 not a 2500. To boot, it was charcoal gray and not pewter?! He was like oh im sorry I could have sworn you were looking for a 2500? I was like whatever.. we go to his office and he goes through his inventory yada yada yah.
He shows me that he has nothing.. he is going to locate one now. He leaves of course so finally he comes back. Tells my wife and I that he used to have the locate program on his pc.. but now its broke and the only other guy that has it is another salesman who is using it. Then he gives us a sob story that the guy who is using it is like 47 years old and dying from cancer. OK let me say this. Im not there for sob stores and I DO feel bad for the guy (if he is telling the truth) but dude think of something else to talk about if you want to make idle chatter.. sooooooooooo
He leave and comes back with trucks that are wayyyyyyyy more exp than what I am looking for. Im like what are you talking about? Well see if you like any of these. So I ask him "Can you order me a 2002?" He says no not really pricing is not in yet. Meanwhile when I asked him this on the phone he was like sure sure... no problem. I can order you one! So I said I dont want that truck find me a closer match. He does the old disappearing act again.. so do my wife and I. So.. I walk around the showrroom, sit in some Silverado's etc.. finally get back to his office and he is there. He finds me yet another truck which has more than what im looking for. After going back and forth on price he then tells me I can order you a 2001. I say why did you not tell me this before hand? One big cricket from him. He leaves and says let me double check... Comes back and says sorry cant do a 2001 but they are starting to build 2002's in June. I said look. If you want to make a deal I will offer you 28K for that truck. He tells me its below invoice.......... whatever. If you want to do business 28K. I know that the truck is worth somewhere around there based upon internet/invoice pricing. He leaves pretty much saying yes... Then he comes back from his manager and says we are taking off the trailering package and you got a deal. I said no. You will not. And to boot, my offer stands at 28K. He gets all pissed off and walks out. Now my wife and I are losing patience, we have been there for over an hour already.
He comes back and says this is my best price. It was like 29,143 or something like that. He goes on to say that if I want the 40/20/40 vs the reclining bucket seats he could do better.. Tells me that I am pretty much wasting his time. My wife thankfully had just walked out b4 that! I tell him ditto.. thanks for wasting my f$#%*&! time. I could have been doing better things or spent quality time on a dealer that wants my $$$$$.
He tries to still walk me out saying he still wants my business. I said dont bother I know my way out and you already lost my business. I spent over 2 hours there just to get jerked around. I thought GM Buy Power was supposed to be a haggle free exp? Anyway I might be missing some of the points here and there but that is the basic jist of it. It seems that domestic car dealerships still have the 1940 salesmanship mentality. Its a real shame... They should get with the times and realize people do not have all this time to waste now adays in a dealership you know??
Will post more later! I have some good news to tell ya....
Jim
The Silverado has 3" less ground clearance. Better not ever think of offroading it.
It has weak three piece frame rails to make it cheap. Tundra has heavily boxed one piece frame rails.
The Silverado has no standard transmission or oil coolers. Can you say WIMPY!
The Silverado's stock suspension is only rated for 4500lb. You can't get a tow hitch without upgrading the suspension. The Tundra tows 7200 with the stock suspension.
The Silverado uses those weak S-10 drivetrains. The Tacoma has a beefier drivetrain.
The Silverado has 40% Less drivetrain warranty. It is simple to see that Chev does not trust their own drivetrains. I wonder why?
The Silverado has weak brakes. The Tundra stops much shorter loaded with 1200lb than the Silverado does empty.
The Silverado has only 160 rear wheel horsepower. Edmund's tested it. WEAK! Chev claims 285 - where did those extra 125 horses go?
It is not too late! Loosen up on those Chevy blinders of yours.
Consumer Reports has rated the '99 Silverado a used vehicle to avoid. They rated the '00 Silverado reliability "much worse than average"
They rated the '00 Tundra "better than average". I am sure that the '01 will do better.
CAVEAT EMPTOR!
One fact, just one I'd like for you to prove is your claim that the Silverado uses S10 drivetrains.
Actually I wish it was true, can you imagine a 496 S10 with a factory warranty?
I'd buy one.
Do you even know what a 496 is?
Last time I checked the S10 had no V8 available but the Silverado had 5.
And the grocery-getting limp-wristed-women only need apply tundra? 1.
Yes just 1 V8.
One.
And its smaller than all of the V8's in the Silverado and to quote you its
"WIMPY" and a gas guzzler, just look at the EPA ratings.
Why is it that a bigger truck with more capabilities more interior space and more available options gets better mileage than toyotas wannabe full size truck?
Maybe because Chevy knows what full size means and what its customers want.
Can you get positraction on your tundra? You can on the Silverado.
ill bet it's something quite personal.
good luck with this one now.
Hope you can find someone better
Ryan
Need to sell my 6.5L TD first, though...
Dave
"The Silverado has no standard transmission or oil coolers. Can you say WIMPY!"
So what factory-installed towing equipment is the Tundra available with? Get real-Toyota won't even ship a Tundra from the factory with a hitch receiver! The Silverado 1/2t I own came with the following towing equipment FACTORY INSTALLED: trailer hitch receiver, 8-point wire hookup, transmission oil cooler and tow-haul modes for the transmission, 9000lb tow rating and harness for an electric trailer brake controller.
What about that rear slider option?